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Australia to build first prison aimed at isolating militants

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I assume these are people only with radical beliefs that have not actually joined the likes of Daesh or Boko Haram, right? Those of that extreme rhetorict- murdering and torturing men and women, raping children, displacing millions, starving towns into submission, using people as human shields and killing those who flee, etc. deserve a bullet, not solitary confinement and wasting tax payers money.

I mean there are thousands, hundreds of thousands even of these people... How is only 54 going to hope to house them, even those "few" in Australia?

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Try them for treason -that gets the death penalty (potentially)

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It's a good start. Here in Europe we should be doing the same rather than worrying about their "human" rights.

CCriminals get further education at being criminals in gaol. Paedo's learn how to be more devious when locked up with like minded weirdos.

OObviously that last thing anyone should be doing is grouping like minded funnies together. Nor giving them free access to potential recruits . There's a lot of people peed off with society in gaol....

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Try them for treason -that gets the death penalty 

There is no death penalty in Australia.

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To be called Botany Bay 2.0? Gitmo Down Under?

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The Russians started doing this a while ago - Its a start in getting tough on Muslim Terrorists, long way to go yet BUT at least Australia isn't doing the stupid things like Europe

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Try them for treason -that gets the death penalty (potentially)

And ensures martyrdom, inspiring another wave of would be terrorists. Hmmm.

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GITMO wouldn't be a problem if it was on US soil. The US and other countries should be copying this, isolating these radicals from the rest of the prison population sounds like a step in the right direction.

BUT, how does the state go about rehabilitating these prisoners back into society?

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Yubaru wrote:

"BUT, how does the state go about rehabilitating these prisoners back into society?"

Is the risk of failed rehabilitation of such prisoners worth taking? They might have to be held indefinitely at great expense. This in turn may suggest addition of another weapon to Daesh's arsenal. The next generation of jihadists may attempt acts of terrorism just to be incarcerated and so overload the system that it breaks down. Call "Martyrdom for Dummies" or "super slow motion martyrdom à la Peckinpah". I'm sure Daesh-aligned clergy can make it sound attractive to recruits.

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Suspects of terrorist acts should be allowed due process. By circumventing the law, it allows for the radicals to spin the idea that Islam is being attacked and singled out. It will more likely help the cause than hurt it, unfortunately.

Australia passed laws last year allowing the indefinite detention of anyone convicted of terror-related offences if authorities believed that person posed a threat after their release.

This is too close to becoming a slippery slope. I forsee this having the opposite of it intended effect. I think this will motivate others to join the cause and become radicalized. Then the prisons will be asking for funding to expand the facilities. Once that happens, special interest groups will start pushing to privatize it. Which means they get paid by the government as long as they have bodies filling up those cells. To insure they are always at capacity, they will start pushing for stricter sentences for all crimes and targeting the weaker minority groups. We all know that will be the indigenous peoples and the general poor.

On Thursday, police in New South Wales were granted the authority to shoot suspects in terrorist-related incidents even if the attacker does not pose an imminent threat.

What happens with they decide to redefine the word "terrorism, and they make it so broad that anybody can be legally shot or detained indefinitely?

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Silva:

Spot on. I would only add that the degradation of civil rights is an indication that the terrorists have achieved part of their goal.

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I think this indefinite incarceration should only be for Australian nationals. If they are recent immigrants, they and their whole extended family should be deported back to the violent and oppressed dust bowl they came from. That would send a clear message that their antics will not be tolerated. Locking them up for extended periods of time is only wasting tax payer's money with no guarantee of rehabilitation. Just send them back! Problem solved!

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The Real Solution is they never can be rehabilitated so let them disappear one at a time.They mysteriously would die of some unnatural cause like being fed bacon or pork every meal. But there would be an outcry about prisoners rights. What about the rights of all world citizens to live in peace no matter where they live.

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Putting all your eggs in one basket is not always the best solution! Is it really wise to place together militant extremists all in the same place?

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Hold a referendum and reintroduce it if the people so wish!

And who gives a toss if they die martyrs or not......

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the degradation of civil rights is an indication that the terrorists have achieved part of their goal

Whose rights are you talking about? Do regular civilians have rights? People just going about their business who get run over, stabbed, shot and blown up by animals who commit these crimes in the name of a barbaric and backward ideology that belongs in the desert 2000 years ago? Do they have rights or do the animals that perpetrate these wicked crimes have rights? Do the people who breed hatred based on this disgusting ideology have rights? Shall we let them have those rights so they can kill our loved ones in the name of an illiterate camel-herder that thought up these monstrous ideas in a cave long ago? The actions of these brainwashed cowards requires us to redefine what we mean by civil rights.

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This is a good idea.   I'm thinking more along the lines of man made islands/land reclaimation and build a much bigger prison.    AS for costs of running the facility. Isn't this supposed to be the era of green an environment compatible building structures?  Could reduce the electric bills quite a lot using solar/wind/ocean currents to power each facility.

In the US prison system Islamic doctrine also get's spread in the prison population, and not in a good way.   In many cases, the prisoners who decide to go with Islam just become more fanatically religious.

@Veejay, they should have those rights until they commit such crimes.   Sadly, that is how the system works.  Once they either plan to carry out, or actually carry out such crimes, then yes, they should lose their rights.   But then they're protected by basic human rights.... which I'm sure many "civilized" countries, are starting to dwindle in their support for these types of religious zealots.   I pretty much predicted the erosion of support for many western/democratic values in the case of Islam due to the actions of "true believers".   I predict that eventually the kid gloves are going to come off.    And it won't just be "western" nations either.   Too many non-Muslim countries/societies have been affected by Islamic influenced terrorism or subjugation.    SA owns this mess...  And the Baha'i are the best chance of reforming Islam, except other Muslim's reject them.

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Dubya did that. It got them organized and led to ISIS.

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I am sorry. If you are Daesh or Boko you're dead. There is no rehabilitation for people who murder civilians purposely, much less by the hundreds, rape children, torture, etc. None what so ever. If they are so hardlined that they pass all dignity and human respect, then they all may not pass Go, they do not collect $200 and they all can go straight to Hell!

Now for those who have not committed themselves fully, then yes I can see rehabilitation possible. But once you crossed that line, you may never come back.

Also you need to stop the evil at it's source- the Imams and countries who teach such rhetoric in the first place, shut down all websites/profiles that has anything to do with it as well. Teaching the local populace a softer approach is much harder if you can not protect them.

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Dubya did that. It got them organized and led to ISIS.

What? ISIS was the JV team until Obama's Middle East foreign policy took effect.

Australia should join up with the US and ship them to Gitmo. Plenty of space available after Obama's terrorist release program.

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To be called Botany Bay 2.0? Gitmo Down Under?

"Gitmo Down Under" gets my vote. It just kind of rolls off the tongue.

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Its taken a while, but finally common sense is starting to enter into the equation. Well done Oz.

Its probably too much to hope that similar sense will begin to manifest in Western Europe.

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The Real Solution is they never can be rehabilitated so let them disappear one at a time.They mysteriously would die of some unnatural cause like being fed bacon or pork every meal. But there would be an outcry about prisoners rights. What about the rights of all world citizens to live in peace no matter where they live.

I must admit, I get nervous when people talk about "solutions", it's unpleasant language. As for the bacon and pork suggestion. What is this? What does it mean? Do you what harm befalls a Muslim if they eat it? Nothing. Nothing at all.

What's needed is a counter ideology to replace the terrorist one, something that is universal. People need to be weaned off the language of hatred and see that we're all just the same. And barbaric death penalties serve no-one.

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The actions of these brainwashed cowards requires us to redefine what we mean by civil rights.

No it doesn't. Because then we are little better than such barbarians. And it plays right into their hands.

Human rights for all.

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"What's needed is a counter ideology to replace the terrorist one, something that is universal. People need to be weaned off the language of hatred and see that we're all just the same."

Agreed, but only before they cross that line. I think moderate Islam is just fine. Certainly not wahhabism!

"And barbaric death penalties serve no-one."

It serves the living.

"And it plays right into their hands."

Their hands play all the fields in their favor. They kill their own (Muslims in general) and feel justified. They rape children and feel justified. They own and trade sex slaves and feel justified. They torture and murder and feel justified. I am not really sure what you are expecting. Even those who are hard liners and who agree with Daesh, but have not become Daesh themselves, will still continue to accept what Daesh is doing as ok and more will go to their ranks.

If the US and everyone else decided to leave Daesh alone, even pulling every last boot out of the Middle East, Daesh would still come and kill us all. Even if we all converted to Islam, but did not follow their extreme doctrine to the exact letter, we would still be killed or at the very least be used as slaves.

In knowing that, there really is nothing left to do but kill every single last Daesh and all those that claim allegiance to them and or fund and support them. Someone can not be martyred when there is no one left with the same beliefs.

Now do I believe that is even possible or feasable, to get every last one? No. Cockroaches will always hide and regroup. Nor will the world accept all people of a certain ideology to be eliminated. (I am not talking of Islam in general so there is no confusion.) But we are damned if we do, damned if we dont and if I am going to be damned, it best be for doing.

https://japantoday.com/category/world/prison-attack-in-eastern-congo-kills-11-frees-900-prisoners

And this is why you don't build prisions to hold these abominations. Not so much this story, but the situation of jail breaks in general. It has happened before.

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John Brown, you make some good points. The Daesh's of the world will be with us always - under its current name or another. Radical Islam is here to stay unless it is completely annhilated - and the sad truth is that radical Islam has sympathy from millions of "moderate muslims" who are privately happy to see the bloody dirty work done for them.

There are plenty of Islamic scholars who will truthfully point out to the dreamers of the west that in fact Islam is a religeon not of peace but of violence and to say otherwise is to insult Islam. Reading the Koran and Hadith will back that.

To generations raised on Hollywood happy endings this is too much to accept, but it is the reality.

Australia is taking the first baby steps towards realistically dealing with the reality.

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By the way, its important to remember that the govt of Iran had been warning the Australian authorities for years about the perpetrater of the Sydney cafe seige, and asking for him to be extradited to Iran to face criminal charges there. The Australian govt refused, even as the individual in question preached Islamist hate. Australia was "protecting his rights". And innocent people died.

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Because then we are little better than such barbarians.

The implication is that "we" are already better than such barbarians and that "to redefine what we mean by civil rights" would make us less better. But still better, nonetheless.

One reality that should always be considered is that many of those barbarians (that "we" are better than) look at us as barbarians and sincerely believe that they are better than us. They probably always will.

And it plays right into their hands.

Everything plays into their hands, including and especially doing nothing.

Human rights for all.

There are people in this world that believe waging war against the disbelievers of their faith is a fundamental basic human right, granted to them by the one true God.

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One reality that should always be considered is that many of those barbarians (that "we" are better than) look at us as barbarians and sincerely believe that they are better than us. They probably always will.

For sure. The history of humanity is littered with the conflicts of those who look down on others and believe in their superiority.

And - I used the "we" word. Inexcusable and my apologies.

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@Kuya808

There are people in this world that believe waging war against the disbelievers of their faith is a fundamental basic human right, granted to them by the one true God.

That can be applied to the followers of many religions.

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