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8 Islamic State orphans to be repatriated to Australia

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Well done to Australia for grasping the bull by the horns.

17-years-old in those conditions is definitely not a child so it is a huge risk. Let us hope these youngsters will not turn around and bite the hand that feeds them, as their olders and 'betters' did.

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17-years-old in those conditions is definitely not a child so it is a huge risk. Let us hope these youngsters will not turn around and bite the hand that feeds them, as their olders and 'betters' did.

2-17. These are still children. No matter what the condition.

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They will definatley need super strict supervision and monitoring for the rest of their lives. Who knows what's been indoctrinated into them

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17-years-old in those conditions is definitely not a child so it is a huge risk.

It is a risk, but the person involved didn’t voluntarily sign up for this sick death squad and deserves a chance. This is unlike the young woman from the UK who fancied a bit of jihad and seemed quite unapologetic about it.

Close care and supervision needed, and let’s hope this person and the others can live decent lives in a civilised country.

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Deadforgood, they were being taught in groups daily by IS to swear allegiance, bomb-making, how use an AK-47 and how to slit non-believers' throats, for example, even at the age of 10 or 11. Just saying.

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they were being taught in groups daily by IS to swear allegiance, bomb-making, how use an AK-47 and how to slit non-believers' throats,

The children did have the power to make decisions when their parents spirited them away to Syria, the fact that others were born there was also out of their control.

They definitely require support and de-radicalization which the government must help in.

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Grandmother Karen Nettleton even travelled to the camp earlier this year to meet them but was rebuffed by authorities,

She eventually found them (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-24/australian-orphans-freed-from-syrian-warzone/11239534. Whole Four Corners here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_LPuUEkSQM ).

They will definatley need super strict supervision and monitoring for the rest of their lives. Who knows what's been indoctrinated into them

Hopefully not for life.

Awesome news. Well done oz govt/grandma & ABC/4corners.

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his is unlike the young woman from the UK who fancied a bit of jihad and seemed quite unapologetic about it.

You talking about Shamima Begum? She was 15 years old when she went off to be a brood mare for Islamic State.

In any other area of her life, people would be saying she was too young to make an informed decision. Yet in this one area, they want her to be guilty for life.

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You talking about Shamima Begum? She was 15 years old when she went off to be a brood mare for Islamic State.

In any other area of her life, people would be saying she was too young to make an informed decision. Yet in this one area, they want her to be guilty for life.

You talking about the adult woman who came back from an ISIS hellhole unfazed by the sight of heads in bins and recognized the reasoning behind blowing up innocent kids at an Ariana Grande concert?

That Shamima Begum?

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That Shamima Begum?

Yep, that's the one. Care to address the issue of her age when she went over there?

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Yep, that's the one. Care to address the issue of her age when she went over there?

Okay. She went to join a religious death cult at 15. Obviously not an adult. Then again, 15 is not 5. I did silly things at 15, but it didn’t include joining and staying with a genocidal organization.

Had she come back, then an adult, and shown some contrition for her choice, people may have been more forgiving.

However, she took a different track. She mentioned not being fazed by the sight of severed heads in bins and most chillingly, seemed to see the justification in a jihadi blowing up innocent kids at a Manchester concert when looking to return to the UK.

I see this as different to kids dragged to or born in this butchery.

Do you see the difference here?

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Do you see the difference here?

At 15, she's not considered mature enough to get married, to have a sexual relationship, to sign a legally binding contract, or to vote. At 15, she's young enough to be easily indoctrinated by the most stupid and/or evil things. That's why we have laws to protect people of her age. But from what I've seen about Shamima Begum, she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. In fact, she's pretty thick - incapable, even, of projecting herself in a good light when she needs to.

Objections to her seem to revolve around her not responding to certain things - severed heads, the Ariana Grande bombing - in the way that most people would expect her to respond. But those aren't crimes, and she's not a killer. She hasn't actually severed anyone's head, or set off bombs at a concert. The only crime she's actually committed is joining a terrorist organization, and that was when she was under age, and not capable of making a rational decision.

So do you see the difference there?

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And obviously when I say "those aren't crimes" I'm referring to her responses to those violent events, not to the events themselves. I apologize if I'm pointing out the bleedin' obvious, but It's past midnight here and I'm getting tired.

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Objections to her seem to revolve around her not responding to certain things - severed heads, the Ariana Grande bombing - in the way that most people would expect her to respond.

Most people? Who wouldn’t expect her to respond with contrition if she wanted to come back to a country where sawing people’s heads off and blowing up kids wasn’t seen as a good thing? A jihadi?

You had no problems with how she responded? An adult who was a member of a genocidal organization seeing the justification in blowing up innocent kids?

You keep harping on the fact that she was underage when joining the group, and as I said, she would have got more sympathy if she’d shown some regret as an adult who’d seen disgusting acts of murder.

Do you see the difference between Begum and kids dragged into this genocidal organization?

That was my original point.

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The young woman from the UK who fancied a bit of jihad - that's how you referred to Begum in your first post. "Young woman" at 15 years old. What do you reckon - that once 15 year-old Begum got to the Islamic State, her sole responsibility the responsibility of breeding new jihadists, that she was exposed to a whole range of different ways of seeing the world, from which she could reach an informed decision about right and wrong? If she'd been in any other kind of religious cult, a Branch Davidian or Jonestown let's say, she would've been regarded as a victim, not a criminal.

I do see the difference between Begum and the kids mentioned in the article. These are the children of jihadists, Begum went there of her own (immature) accord. Like "kids" who run away and get themselves into trouble. But no matter how much you dislike her reactions to and lack of contrition for what she saw (not did), they are not a crime. You keep harping on as if they were.

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I often wonder if Begum wasn't in a refugee camp, how would she behave? Would she still talk to the papers asking to go back to the UK. I don't think so. As for Aus taking in those children, they will need to be watched and monitored, because they will probably be targeted by adult jihadists and so the circle will goes round

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Could be a very big, big mistake.. Sooner or later they could be the future "new radicals", I hope won't..

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