Australian PM says system failed to track siege gunman

Sending hate mail to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan should have been enough of a warning, some one namely the judge who granted this nutter bail should be held accountable for letting this guy roam free, he was on charges of accessory for murder, 40 charges of sexual assault, what more would it take to refuse bail?

Apparently Iran wanted to extradite him some time ago, they should have been allowed to.

Monis was convicted and sentenced last year to 300 hours of community service for sending what a judge called “grossly offensive” letters to families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2009. He later was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. Earlier this year, he was charged with the 2002 sexual assault of a woman. He had been out on bail on all the charges.

Monis grew up in Iran as Mohammad Hassan Manteghi. In 1996, he established a travel agency, but took his clients’ money and fled, Iran’s police chief, Gen. Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, told the country’s official IRNA news agency Tuesday. Australia accepted him as a refugee around that time.

The police chief said Iran tried to have Monis extradited from Australia in 2000, but that it didn’t happen because Iran and Australia don’t have an extradition agreement.

Justice gone crazy. I'll assume he was accepted as a refugee due to doubts regarding persecution if he was returned to Iran. Still a suspected criminal. But what does he do? Act like a model citizen? Should have had his sanity checked and deported back to Iran, if cleared, as soon as he made trouble.

Small boxes of Lindt chocolates had been left among the candles, flowers and cards, and a steady stream of mourners signed memory books for the victims. A wooden cross with the words “I’ll ride with you!” lay nearby, referring to the hashtag #IllRideWithYou which was tweeted tens of thousands of times by Australians offering to accompany people dressed in Muslim clothes who were afraid of a backlash.

Getting dusty in here. Faith in humanity restored.

Storm, et al (everyone else who agrees with you)

As a matter of law, judges in Australia (and all Common Wealth/common law countries) are not accountable. They are criminally and civilly immune for actions taken while performing their ministerial duties. They can, of course, where applicable (when elected to their appointment -- such as in California in the US) be kicked out, as thus 'held accountable."

I do not know it Australian judges are elected or not.

So what? Well, I guess the only way to to hold the judge is to vote him or her out.

Idiots! If you have a Muslim with extremist tendencies as an immigrant in your country, who is already a known criminal, you throw him out asap and don't wait until things like this happen! How many more terrorist attacks need to happen for the government to learn?!

Obviously.

JTDanMan that is exactly what is wrong with this setup, that is why I said these judges "NEED" to be held accountable. Responsibility for their actions.

20/20 hindsight. Flagged as a disturbed individual and potentially dangerous individual, yes. Potential terrorist on a watch list, no. He has been tied to no terror groups, before or after. If everyone with a criminal history and strong political opinions was put on a terror watch list, the list would be ten miles long and useless.

He was an exception and a fluke.

"Australia’s prime minister (Abbot) acknowledged Wednesday that the nation’s security system failed"

Keen sense of the obvious he has.

That is unreasonable expectation. "The system" can not possibly monitor every nutcase and/or extremists around the clock. People should not expect the impossible.

No system, however sophisticated, can be perfect and successful in detecting what goes on in the minds of such ruthless terror-minded people across the world, though success rate may be comparatively better in checking physical possessions of people!

The judges are , should be accountables Better : they should be prosecuted for criminal negligence just like other professionals Yes they should face jail sentences and pay monetary punitive compensation to the bereaved families Too many criminals enjoy freedom on bail because of irresponsible judges Time to act in Australia and the rest of the world

Peter H

One has to wonder how this guy got off the terrorist watch list and then got a gun while out on bail. The system failed on so many levels it's epic. I hope the judge likes his crow but he's not the only one who should be falling on his own sword.

This guy had come to the attention of authorities on a couple of previous occasions, he had been sending hate mail to families of killed soldiers, he was a muslim who had shown instability, he was also up on a number of sex related charges as well as accessory for murder, Alarm bells should have been clanging very loudly with this one and he should not have been on bail.

The Iranian govt had also sought his extradition telling the aus authorities he was a wanted man, why in the hell was he not being monitored, on a watch list, or locked up pending trial? You cannot say he was ok running round in the general populace,, you are madder than him if you think that.

There should be some high profile people being called up on the mat over this and a review of how these muslims who display this type of anti social behavour are monitored.

This is not racist, or anti religion it is simply common bloody sense.

If you cant see that then you are part of the problem.

Storm

Its a balance. We want an independent judiciary. And we also want 'accountability.'

If you look at countries where the courts are not independent, you see countries without the rule of law.

... why the man was not on any terror watch list despite having a long criminal history.

Because that would be profiling.

Just waiting now for Abbott to lay the blame on the previous Government!!!

turbostat its not profiling its common sense when they show all the traits and display the behaviour.

StormR: turbostat its not profiling its common sense when they show all the traits and display the behaviour.

I wasn't condemning profiling, I was mocking people who get their dander up after the horse has left the barn.

Like those saying after 9/11 why US didn't crack down on security before 9/11; a lot of those would have squealed the loudest if such actions had been taken. Opposition politicians and supporters looking to make hay.

turbostat ok misread your post then