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Australians trapped in vaccine 'Hunger Games,' says top official

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Is this the same vax that doesn't prevent transmission or infection?

No. The AZ vaccine has been shown to fight the "delta" infection. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-effective-against-variants-found-india-2021-06-22/

COVID is real. There are real risks with it. People around the world are still dying from it, today.

The vaccines work. They aren't perfect. Only time can prove that. So the choice today is take a vaccine that hundreds of millions of others have taken that is proven effective against a real threat to life

or

do nothing over a fear that might be completely made up.

When, exactly, with any of these vaccines meet your "expert" opinion for safety? 5 yrs? 10 yrs? 50 yrs? After all, a few people still have reactions and issues today due to vaccines taken as children, 30 yrs ago. But there are billions of other people who have been protected from the disease all this time.

Stop the FUD. Please.

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Yet another ill informed comment based on a singular opinion of someone not living in Australia. So sad that some offer up such rubbish comments against a nation that puts safety first and embraces the scientific proof rather than scared narrative of the uneducated who think they know better than the experts. The facts are indisputable, The numbers of sick and dead are so low due to the actions the whole country has taken and supports. Criticize Australia with lies and BS wont change the facts.

Despite what you claim, there are thousands of experts who are qualified in this field who disagree with you. If you’re brave enough, follow the link I posted to see the views of people with fact-based commentary supported with actual evidence, people who put their careers on the line to counter the propaganda. These vaccines are experimental, and their long- term safety is simply unknown, unlike vaccines that have been tried and tested over many years. Even one of the inventors of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone, is on the record as being wary of mRNA vaccine safety. And for that he’s been attacked and cancelled.

But feel free to go on as you are. People should be free to take one of these vaccines if they wish, but do so fully aware that they’re experimental and the long-term effects are simply unknowable without the passage of time. The problem is that Dr Malone and thousands of other experts like him are being suppressed and/smeared because what they say threatens some very powerful interests.

And just ignore the death and adverse reaction count, because you can trust government to look after your best interests.

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Astra Zeneca has been used to vaccinate millions of people under 60 in the UK and around the world (including me). Covid is considerably more of a threat. Stop being picky, get a jab and help protect older and more vulnerable fellow Aussies. The alternative is persistent lockdowns and North Korean-style isolation.

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Is this the same vax that doesn't prevent transmission or infection?

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Australians trapped in vaccine 'Battle Royale'.

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Had AZ been without the extremely tiny number of bad outcomes, Australian vaccine selectors would have nailed this perfectly. It was just bad luck. And bad luck in the home-grown vaccine. They made 2 bets, which was prudent. Who could have guesses that one would fail completely and that a 0.01% chance of complications (1 in 100,000) from under 60 yr old people would keep so many others outside that group from choosing the vaccine?

Although TTS is serious, it’s also very rare. The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) estimates that out of every 100,000 people vaccinated with AstraZeneca, one or two people may experience TTS. The risk might be higher for people under 60, but any estimates of risks for specific age groups are still imprecise because there are so few cases to analyse.

Ref: https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/what-we-know-about-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-blood-clots Last updated Apr 30.

Everyone over 60 in Australia should be vaccinated with the AZ vaccine. Sign up, get both shots. I'm more concerned about the 12-weeks apart aspect since the recommended separation is 8-12 weeks. If it can be guaranteed available, 12 weeks can get more people slightly protected with 1 shot quicker. It only makes sense if production matches delivery.

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Like cattle being herded onto trucks. Australia used to be one of the world's freest countries with a healthy skepticism toward government. But over the last couple of decades, people have become much more docile, comfortably numb in their addiction to the drug of middle-class welfare handed out by governments trying to buy votes. The media have been complicit, bought off partly by special access to the corridors of power in return for not asking too many hard questions, in addition to acting as PR mouthpieces for whoever advertises heavily with them.

Yet another ill informed comment based on a singular opinion of someone not living in Australia. So sad that some offer up such rubbish comments against a nation that puts safety first and embraces the scientific proof rather than scared narrative of the uneducated who think they know better than the experts. The facts are indisputable, The numbers of sick and dead are so low due to the actions the whole country has taken and supports. Criticize Australia with lies and BS wont change the facts.

We are a free sovereign nation handling an extraordinary event in the best way we can and doing it very well in comparison to most of the rest of the world. Australia is still one of the best and safest places to live on this planet. Great people and great attitude's.

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It is truly disheartening to see that Australian and Canada turn out to be the places with the worst authoritarian overreach. Just the place one would have hoped would avoid that. Sad all around.

Obviously you know less than zero about Canada!

Full support for businesses that were required to close, guaranteed minimum monthly income for those out of work due to covid-19, free medical care, high vaccination rate.

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It is Australia! Hunger Games?

Mad Max 5 "Vaccination road wars"!

Coming soon to your town!

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It is truly disheartening to see that Australian and Canada turn out to be the places with the worst authoritarian overreach. Just the place one would have hoped would avoid that. Sad all around.

Rest assured there is no "authoritarian overreach" in Australia. The governments at both state and national level are acting with the full support of the vast majority of the population.

Such accusations are in contrast to the truth of the situation, and seem to come from habitual complainers against any and all authority.

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I have absolutely zero desire to ever visit Australia so it doesn't really bother me, but it sure is puzzling to watch from afar.

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It is truly disheartening to see that Australian and Canada turn out to be the places with the worst authoritarian overreach. Just the place one would have hoped would avoid that. Sad all around.

Living in Canada now — what on earth are you talking about? There was a public health crisis here and we dealt with it as a society to save lives. We are now on our way to a fully vaxxed nation. Canadians listened to science and did what needed to be done.

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Like cattle being herded onto trucks. Australia used to be one of the world's freest countries with a healthy skepticism toward government. But over the last couple of decades, people have become much more docile, comfortably numb in their addiction to the drug of middle-class welfare handed out by governments trying to buy votes. The media have been complicit, bought off partly by special access to the corridors of power in return for not asking too many hard questions, in addition to acting as PR mouthpieces for whoever advertises heavily with them.

So with an unrelenting stream of BS backed by the illusion of freedom for the obedient, the country has come to this: sporadic lockdowns and masked mandates almost as soon as "cases" are announced under threat of police intimidation and fines. The real reason is to herd the public - the vast majority of who are not remotely susceptible to this virus and more at risk of death or injury from one of the experimental vaccines - into corporate enrichment centers disguised as immunization stations.

Nothing could possibly go wrong. These things are perfectly safe, right? And cheap, effective treaments with a proven track record at preventing and treating COVID-19 are just quackery unfairly doing big pharmaceitical companies out of money they're rightly entitled to.

So don't worry, those thousands of deaths and millions of injuries from these SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are just a figment of our collective imagination.

Or are they?

https://doctors4covidethics.org/official-eu-adverse-event-data-eu-uk-us/

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BS, nothing at all is ‘corona totalitarian’, also not in Australia. If nobody would abide, they can’t financially punish or imprison the whole population, because they’d very much rather want the people working hard , consuming products and filling their accounts with profits.

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The problem is that AZ vaccine isn’t being used by many developed countries as much as it was initially thought of. The Governments didn’t reserve or buy enough doses of Pfizer or Moderna! Now the Australian PM ( just to save his own neck ) is telling younger people below 50 to restart vaccination with AZ but some state premiers are against it for safety reasons as it does have extreme side effects in people below 50 ( even though the number is low )! The current Australian Government has failed its citizens recently due to poor leadership! This not in terms of handling the pandemic but also in terms of having trade wars when they were never in a position to win those!

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It is truly disheartening to see that Australian and Canada turn out to be the places with the worst authoritarian overreach. Just the place one would have hoped would avoid that. Sad all around.

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People are hesitant to get AstraZeneca due to the extremely low chance of blood clotting.

I hope they are aggressively investigating who is at risk of such blood clots so that such persons can avoid this particular vaccine. I also hope they investigate recent cases of persons dying right after the Pfizer or Moderna second shots. People who are at risk should be identified to the extent possible and consider not getting vaccinated.

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Even in parks, Australians are being arrested for being outside-the Australian government is full on totalitarian!

That is not true. People get arrested when they break the law. They can break the law anywhere, including at a park or outside the home.

People are hesitant to get AstraZeneca due to the extremely low chance of blood clotting. I had no trouble getting vaccinated when I wanted it. I asked my doctor and was told I could get my first dose the next day, which I did. There is a twelve week wait for the second dose. There is now more of a sense that people need to get vaccinated sooner rather than later, but many are still hesitant to get AZ.

Pfizer shots are becoming more readily available now and there is a rush to get that but it still takes twelve weeks to get both shots.

Too much conflicting information, on top of anti-vaxers giving outright false information makes many hesitate. However like all medications there will be some percentage who will get a harmful side effect. The scrutiny all of these vaccines are under is much more than normal so it balances out the shortened time taken to release them.

I have had both my shots of AZ and had no issue other than a sore arm for three days and feeling a little run down for two days. Perhaps a booster will be needed in six months to a year and I will seek a Pfizer shot for that as indications coming out now show the benefits of getting two different types can be beneficial.

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Japan can /should and give (I think ) if asked 50M shots of the not so desirable AZ vaccine to Australia.

Umm, Australia has been donating AZ vaccines to her neighbours in SE Asia and Pacific. Not really sure they are after Japans excess supplies!

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AZ is lots of it in Australia and they are giving it away. Funny how no one is making that an issue.

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AZ is lots of it in Australia as is being made in Australia but is not popular for anyone unless over 70s (Most of those have had their 1st or 2nd JAB). The rest of Australia under 70 is wanting Pfizer which is ordered from overseas. Country's with lots of covid cases rightly get first supplies of the Pfizer but Australia will get enough to get most of the population done by the end of the year then borders can open up a little more. Remember Australia has had only 1 death this year (A man in his 80s that came back from Indonesia).

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Japan can /should and give (I think ) if asked 50M shots of the not so desirable AZ vaccine to Australia.

Pfizer for the younger women and AZ for everyone else is still better then hunger games

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While we all know the original story is Kitano's Battle Royale.

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how come they couldn't get hold of more vaccines I wonder..... without inoculation, seems all those draconian lockdowns were pointless.....

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It appears from the photo that a beard is as effective as a mask.

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No hunger games for the Olympic team though. Full australian team announced today and all speed ahead. They cannot train in NSW now with lockdown but all good to go to Tokyo with 20 times more daily cases.( The virus must be different when it is outside Australia.)

i am sure there was no hunger games for them to get vaccinated either before many aged and others in frontline risk positions, Nor does any reduced caps on rEturning to Australia matter to them as of course they will be exempt like other well to dos

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they were doing good first year somehow they ** it up

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Isn’t there plenty of land available for social distancing?

Even in parks, Australians are being arrested for being outside-the Australian government is full on totalitarian!

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