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4 dead, 1 hurt after shooting, fire in Maryland

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By BRIAN WITTE and SARAH RANKIN

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A fire too? The solution surely must be more gasoline.

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A fire too? The solution surely must be more gasoline.

Right. Just like the cure for obesity is McDonald's.

No, the solution here was actually more guns;

the suspect was shot by police and was among the dead

but these were in (hopefully) trained and responsible hands, not some idiot with a 9mm in his waistband and a Rambo fetish.

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A fire too? The solution surely must be more gasoline.

no, obviously we should ban all gasoline. its only used for starting fires right? why are you blaming the guns and not the crazy guy, or the police who ignored him for years?

“He told the newspaper that the suspect had often confronted neighbors, who had reported him to police.

"We don’t know why he was doing that but this has been going on over and over again. A lot of people tried to complain about it but nothing was done,” Quansah said.

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or the police who ignored him for years?

Actually, that's not the worst point. In Maryland, a law enforcement officer is able to file an extreme risk protection order for, among other things:

alarming behavior and statements;

violence or threats of violence to self or others;

violating peace or protective orders;

https://mdcourts.gov/district/ERPO

Perhaps there are more unknown details in this case.

why are you blaming the guns...?

Personally I don't blame guns, just almost unrestricted access to them. Maryland has strong gun regulation but in 2017 "imported crime guns from other states at the highest rate in the country."

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/states/maryland/

A state with strong gun control in America is like a no peeing section in a public pool.

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And another one in Times Square today. These irresponsible people give guns a bad name.

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It's like a roulette wheel, you don't know what will be the next place for the next shooting..

Nowhere can you be safe and in peace..

At any moment the neighbor, the criminal, the white supremacist, the fanatic shooter, the intolerant happytrigger or the police can shoot you..

THIRD WORLD !!..

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why are you blaming the guns and not the crazy guy, or the police who ignored him for years?

Because the crazy guy had a gun.

Where were all the good guy rod packin’ neighbors? Isn’t that the only way to stop them?

He’s going to have a gun anyway and people will die anyway right? So obviously the solution is more guns in the hands of good guys, right?

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"We don’t know why he was doing that but this has been going on over and over again. A lot of people tried to complain about it but nothing was done,” Quansah said.

Why didn’t the neighborhood watch group set up a rota system to make sure one good guy always had his sights trained on this crazy guy?

Maybe get the local shooting club involved, they have all the high powered rifles. Could have taken this guy out in a flash.

You can’t rely on the police, the general public are far more armed and always in the vicinity. It’s just strange that we don’t read about the good guys stepping up. I suspect the MSM are afraid to report the stories because, you know, something...

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Because the crazy guy had a gun.

A lot of guys have guns. the non-crazy ones dont shoot people with them. without someone to pull the trigger a gun is just an object. but its the guns fault. right.

Why didn’t the neighborhood watch group set up a rota system to make sure one good guy always had his sights trained on this crazy guy?

Good idea. the cops obviously could have cared less. even when the shooting started they didn't show up until 3 people were dead.

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the non-crazy ones dont shoot people with them. without someone to pull the trigger a gun is just an object. but its the guns fault. right.

America sure does have a lot of "crazies" huh?

even when the shooting started they didn't show up until 3 people were dead.

How long do you think it takes to shoot people? Are the police suppose to teleport immediately to the crime scene?

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A lot of guys have guns. the non-crazy ones dont shoot people with them

Well, that ends the ‘good guy with a gun’ argument. What’s the hero supposed to do?

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What can I say that has not already been said a million times since the killing of John Lennon.

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Are the police suppose to teleport immediately to the crime scene?

I'll ask you exactly the same question about the good guys with guns. you seem to think they should be on hand to stop every crime before it happens. Actually thats the police's job. and here we know that they were told many times about this crazy guy wth a gun terrorizing the neighborhood and they did nothing. Bob Fosse was right. the residents should have had an armed guard on him. this wouldnt have happened.

Well, that ends the ‘good guy with a gun’ argument. What’s the hero supposed to do?

Thats not the 'good guy with a gun' argument and you know it. keep ducking the issue though, Bob.

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Sort yourselves out, guys. Hasn't the steel phallus had its day?

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Bob Fosse was right. the residents should have had an armed guard on him. this wouldnt have happened.

Well, that ends the ‘good guy with a gun’ argument. What’s the hero supposed to do?

Thats not the 'good guy with a gun' argument and you know it. keep ducking the issue though, Bob.

So a neighbor ‘armed guard’ is not a good guy with a gun?

If I’m confused about or ‘ducking’ the good guy with a gun argument, why don’t you spell it out clearly for us?

Citizens are far far more numerous and have far far more guns than the police. But it’s the police’s job? But an armed guard trained on him night and day would have stopped it?

And I’m the confused one? Well, I am now.

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Bob Fosse was right. the residents should have had an armed guard on him. this wouldnt have happened.

Well, that ends the ‘good guy with a gun’ argument. What’s the hero supposed to do?

That wasnt the exchange. Here it is;

A lot of guys have guns, the non-crazy ones dont shoot people with them .

Well, that ends the ‘good guy with a gun’ argument. What’s the hero supposed to do?

You know we can scroll up right?

Anyway, let me clarify; the non-crazy ones dont shoot people with them unless defending themselves, their families or others. I apologiize for thinking you could make that leap yourself. And by the way, i didn't make the good guy argument, you did. Sarcastically I think, but its the only intelligent thing you've said so far.

I was going more, guns don't kill people, people do. You haven't addresed that one yet i notice.

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I was going more, guns don't kill people, people do. You haven't addresed that one yet i notice.

What a great, original argument. Why do you think gun violence is more common in the US than Europe or Japan, or basically anywhere else on earth?

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You can say the same about drugs, but you blame the gangs, cartels, dealers and junkies. Why blame guns for gun violence but forks and gangs get a pass?

America has more guns. thats our right People need them to defend against the criminals and the gangs. The US doesn't have the highest murder rate in the world. By far. Its actually about average. If people don't use guns they'll use something else.

19 people were killed in one attack by someone with a knife in Japan in 2016. seven in one attack in 2008. eight kids in 2001. Knifes fault? you better get rid of yours then, they might get up and stab you one day.

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while the rest of the world has stricter gun control and less shooting?

Is that right?

Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.

In 2012 Venezuela banned private sales of firearms and ammunition hoping to lower crime rates. The army, police, and certain groups trusted by the government (colectivos) are exempted from the ban and can buy firearms from state-owned manufacturers. In 2013 Venezuela stopped issuing new firearm licenses, and in 2017 government banned carrying firearms in public places. Sixty disarmament centres were created in the country and the penalty for illegal firearm possession was raised to twenty years imprisonment.

Both have much higher gun death rates.

Didnt think you had a point. Deflecting as usual.

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Both have much higher gun death rates.

lololol You're comparing the richest, most economically advanced country on earth to Mexico and Venezuela? Why not compare US gun crimes to Afghanistan, hardly a fair comparison to make

Let me clarify: Compare the United States to the developed world, Europe and Japan. They all have lower gun crimes and more gun control. Why is that? Don't give me some ridiculous comparison to poverty stricken, third world countries.

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you tell me, you asked the question not me.

Why do you think gun violence is more common in the US than Europe or Japan, or basically anywhere else on earth?

CNN wont care about this, as the shooter most likely isnt white.

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CNN director tells you all you need to know.

See you actually can learn something from CNN after all.

Chester wasn’t done spilling the beans. He admitted that the media in general focuses on the race of shooters, but only if these shooters are white. *“People were lapping up that it was like, you know, white guys,”* he said.

*“I haven’t seen anything about focusing on the color of people’s skin that aren’t white,** he added, claiming that stories about non-white suspects lose “a little steam”* when their skin color is mentioned.

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you tell me, you asked the question not me.

Because Japan and Europe have strict gun control laws. That was tough.

CNN director tells you all you need to know.

Lol I truly don't care about CNN. I rarely watch CNN. I prefer clips on MSNBC or Majority Report.

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When it comes to gun crimes, gun homicides, mass shootings, America is the most violent country of all the G7 countries. Also ahead even with the G20 countries.

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So Mexico and Venezuela are NOT "anywhere else on earth"?

There are at least 14 other countries listed here that exceed the US in gun violence. But Im sure you can find an excuse to move a goal post to exclude each one.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

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So Mexico and Venezuela are NOT "anywhere else on earth"?

I've already explained myself. In numerous posts above I wrote, "Europe and Japan." Rather than constantly type out "Europe and Japan," I thought you'd get the meaning, but I was wrong.

There are at least 14 other countries listed here that exceed the US in gun violence. But Im sure you can find an excuse to move a goal post to exclude each one.

lol How many of them are developed countries? No one compares developed countries like the US to developing countries. I've already explained this. At any rate, is the fact that we have lower crime rates than "at least 14 other countries" a fact you're proud of? Out of nearly 200 countries on earth the United States is ranked 185th, congrats!

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But if you want an answer, fewer gangs

There we go, an actual answer. And yeah, I'd tend to agree with that. Fewer gangs certainly would lower gun crimes. However gang still exist in Europe and Japan, but they're involved in far, far fewer shootings than in the US. So, I believe this shows gun control works in Europe and Japan.

Yeah, its their fault you got proved wrong and reworded your question.

No. I didn't reword my question. Anyone can clearly scroll up and see I asked first about Europe and Japan. You know, the developed world. When making comparisons from country to country, people generally compare developed countries- not developed and developing countries.

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Scrolled up and found

Why do you think gun violence is more common in the US than Europe or Japan, or basically anywhere else on earth?

Sorry, I didnt realise you meant 'that arent places that prove me wrong.'

When making comparisons from country to country, people generally compare developed countries- not developed and developing countries.

Dont be so elitist. there are people in those countries just trying to live their lives and get by, same as you.

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America is the most violent of the G7 countries and more violent than most of the G20 ones. Maybe 2-3 more violent. But none of those is 1st world ones.

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