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Barr: Divide between African Americans, police 'must change'

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Barr's idea of 'must change' is to keep doing things the way they have been, maybe turn the screws a little tighter, and then blame 'black culture' for the problems.

The man should quit and is a disgrace to his job.

And as for 'the vast majority' line of defense, as Chris Rock pointed out, there are certain jobs that we must, as a point of our society, hold to a higher standard.

We don't say "well, the vast majority of pilots can land their planes, only a small percentage crash them drunkenly."

Hell, we practically hold FedEx drivers to a higher performance standard than Barr wants to holds police to. We don't say "well, the vast majority of delivery drivers don't go running over pedestrians on their routes."

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How will it change?

Take a knee - you're a pariah, outcast from the upper echelons of society. Message ignored.

Protest - opportunists take the advantage to riot and loot, drowning out the message. Message ignored.

Can't have change if the message is never discussed.

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“While the vast majority of police officers do their job bravely and righteously, it is undeniable that many African Americans lack confidence in our American criminal justice system,” 

Just checking my desk calendar here .... yup, June 6, 2020 - not June 6, 1970.

Some things just don't change...

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Barr might have credibility with the far right and his fellow uber-'elites' in the Federalist Society, those using their financial and political power to push for the executive to have greater control than any time in history.

However, because he's such a Trump loyalist, someone who like Trump has used his office as a bully pulpit and Trump's media to push 'intentional misinformations', Barr has somewhere between zero and negligible credibility with those favoring the Constitution's balance and separation of powers, i.e. those who don't want Trump and ilk to fuhrer undermine the principles the republic is built on.

Welcome to William Barr's America, where the truth makes way for the president

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/trump-attorney-general-william-barr-flynn-case

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The police need to have authority for society to function.

These idiots are running around Facetiming and calling the police as bunch of "clowns" as they kneel in front of citizens. "Kneel, kneel" they run around yelling and the police and military actually do it in some places.

It is becoming more and more common that police are allowing crimes to be committed right in front of them with no consequences. Society falls apart without law and order and with no authority figures. Police cant continue to be "clowns".

Someone is going to get hurt when the police decide to stop kneeling and start enforcing the law again. We all know that is coming. Its kinda like the surprised look on the guy's face who was arrested for stealing when he has seen people doing it on TV for a week straight. Why me and why now?

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take a knee (but not during the national anthem)

protest (but not during a pandemic where last week if you went outside you were a grandma killer)

some context would have been nice. Either of these things are fine, in context.

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David Varnes

Barr's idea of 'must change' is to keep doing things the way they have been, maybe turn the screws a little tighter, and then blame 'black culture' for the problems.

Where did he ever say anything about "black culture"? And what exactly is your idea of change?

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The same way that police need to be educated, by the same token the black community has to also step up in many ways-this problem is not a one-way street...

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Barr’s comments appeared to contrast with prior statements he’s made condemning protests against the police and what he’s described as a “disturbing pattern of cynicism and disrespect shown toward law enforcement.”

People like this don't understand that respect is earned and not to be automatically given because of a badge and a uniform. Yeah man, people disrespect the cops because the cops have been harassing them, entrapping them, planting drugs and weapons on them, sicking dogs on them, beating them, and killing their loved ones for decades. And this has been at the behest of the government, court and prison systems for the love of power and money more than actual racism, but that too. Did Barr even mention the Drug War, which is as stupid and destructive as the alcohol prohibition of the 1920s? Did he mention that America has more people in prison than any country on Earth or in human history and largely for non-violent, non-crimes? The police were integral to that and no, they were not protecting and serving the people AT ALL. Thus, no respect. Its easy to understand.

Black people get the worst of it, yes. But White and Asian Americans need to wake up to the fact that they too are being abused and it all needs to end. As we can see, Barr is White and either asleep or complicit. Not only police, but the whole corrupt system needs reformed, top, bottom and middle.

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Barr's idea of 'must change' is to keep doing things the way they have been,

No, that is NOT what he said, would you like to see the text? Don’t go there, please.

And as for 'the vast majority' line of defense, as Chris Rock pointed out, there are certain jobs that we must, as a point of our society, hold to a higher standard.

We don't say "well, the vast majority of pilots can land their planes, only a small percentage crash them drunkenly."

Well, the majority of the police officers don’t abuse their authority.

Hell, we practically hold FedEx drivers to a higher performance standard than Barr wants to holds police to.

He never said that.

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Well, the majority of the police officers don’t abuse their authority.

A healthy society doesn't have have a simple majority not abusing their authority. It has to be all of them.

Just like all pilots need to be competent. All of them.

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Well, the majority of the police officers don’t abuse their authority.

Police officer is a hell of a lot more impactful of a job than a threshold of 'the majority.'

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Barr might have credibility with the far right and his fellow uber-'elites' in the Federalist Society,those using their financial and political power to push for the executive to have greater control than any time in history. 

Ok, so what you’re saying, Eric Holder would be better because he would allow and dismiss the lawlessness, I see, so in that sense, Barr would be the devil.

However, because he's such a Trump loyalist,

Can you prove that? Mueller tried to prove Trump was knee deep with the Russians and couldn’t.

someone who like Trump has used his office as a bully pulpit and Trump's media to push 'intentional misinformations',

But CNN, NYT and msnbc are the virtue of truth and honesty and transparency?

Barr has somewhere between zero and negligible credibility with those favoring the Constitution's balance and separation of powers,

For Antifa and the far left that might be true, not for the majority of Americans

i.e. those who don't want Trump and ilk to fuhrer undermine the principles the republic is built on.

28 States, these wild thugs value the rule of law? Wow!

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Antifa and the far left

Boogeyman one, and boogeyman two.

Sounds like a Dr. Suess novel.

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Boogeyman one, and boogeyman two.

Which both will get a very rude awakening real soon.

Sounds like a Dr. Suess novel

But it wound end like one.

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For Antifa and the far left that might be true, not for the majority of Americans

You do realize that antifa is short for anti-fascist?

This has been explained to you dozens of times. If you oppose fascism and racism, you are automatically anti-fascist.

Now, what you chose to do with your stance is up to you. You can pretend there isn't a problem, spread misinformation or fight for change.

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You do realize that antifa is short for anti-fascist?

I'm antifa.

Our modus operandi is to point out moronity on Japan Today.

The above is now the official MO of Antifa.

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by the same token the black community has to also step up in many ways-this problem is not a one-way street...

If only black people would just sit back and accept the beatings, murder and discrimination, eh?

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“We have seen evidence that antifa and other similar extremist groups as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions have been involving in instigating and participating in violent activity,” Barr said.

The Democrats love the protests, they see them as a way to defeat Donald Trump after all their previous efforts to remove him from office failed.

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The Democrats love the protests, they see them as a way to defeat Donald Trump after all their previous efforts to remove him from office failed.

By trying to frame the issue purely as an issue of hatred of Trump, it detracts from any discussion on the actual issue at hand, and simply ensures that the issue is not resolved since the affected never have their concerns even given enough credence for discussion on the issue.

Rinse and repeat.

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I'm antifa.

Well, yes. The very fact that you and I (and the majority here) reject fascism and bigotry would indicate that we're not accept the status quo.

Our modus operandi is to point out moronity on Japan Today.

There is a lot of willful ignorance, but I believe there are accelerationists online, as well. This ever increasing divide is music to their ears.

The above is now the official MO of Antifa.

It can be whatever you want it to be.

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The above is now the official MO of Antifa.

It can be whatever you want it to be.

We agree. Due to the fact that antifa is not organized and therefore not an organization, anyone can say they are antifa, and they are. And if anyone can say it, and there is no organization to disagree, it means that anyone who labels themselves antifa and puts forth an MO is putting forth the MO of antifa.

The MO of antifa is non-violent protest against the ineffective leadership of Donald Trump.

Because that's what I said it is. And I'm just as antifa as anyone.

Anyone who thinks it's an organization is ignoring the reality that it's a descriptor.

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The Democrats love the protests, they see them as a way to defeat Donald Trump after all their previous efforts to remove him from office failed.

Er, there's protests across the world. Politicians are speaking out about the failure to address racism in your country.

Michael D Higgins has spoken about the initial hope of the Civil Rights era when he visited the States in the 60s. And the Dáil held a minute's silence at the beginning of proceedings to remember those "who have died at the foot of vile, racist attacks".

https://www.irishpost.com/news/president-of-ireland-condemns-military-confrontation-with-peaceful-protesters-in-us-186231

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“We have seen evidence that antifa and other similar extremist groups as well as actors of a variety of different political persuasions have been involving in instigating and participating in violent activity,” Barr said.

Bill Barr sounding more and more like Crazy Rudy....they both see fictional, non-corporeal beings....

He Bill, maybe what you're seeing is evidence of real far-right, pro-Trump, Doc Martens-wearing white supremacists and militiamen causing all the violence...but maybe you don't want to offend Trump's base and all those "very fine people"...

The Democrats love the protests, they see them as a way to defeat Donald Trump after all their previous efforts to remove him from office failed.

Peaceful protests? Absolutely... Violence, whether caused by AR15 carrying, pro-Trump domestic terrorists or these same pro-Trump mobs wearing hoodies with backpacks? Nope...Trump supporters love those...

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Anyone who thinks it's an organization is ignoring the reality that it's a descriptor.

It seems some are recklessly twisting reality to fit their agenda.

That said, I refuse to believe that the dimwits who group on social media and pretend not to comprehend what black people have had to face (and still do) over the years, are representative of the US.

Barr doesn't get it, either. There is no doubt that some use the uprising for dubious purposes, but antifa isn't a paramilitary unit.

It reminds me of how the apartheid regime in SA demonized protesters, too.

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Barr is a p.o.s. And the only way deal with him is throw his boss and all his allies out of office come November.

Send a clear message: America is for Americans. All Americans!

Vote. And Vote Democrat!

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Barr is a p.o.s.

No, he's by far the best Secretary of State we've had in decades.

America is for Americans. All Americans!

Exactly! Vote Republican!

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The Democrats love the protests, they see them as a way to defeat Donald Trump after all their previous efforts to remove him from office failed.

*Er, there's protests across the world. Politicians are speaking out about the failure to address racism in your country.*

As if we care about protests in other countries. We'll take care of our own problems, you take of yours, and you have your share.

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Barr and Trump are itching to put an anti-Constitutional police state in permanently. The military occupation of Washington is merely the first step.

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Barr and Trump are itching to put an anti-Constitutional police state in permanently

In that regard Trump's fulfilling one of his campaign promises, which was to tear down American systems and replace it with one better serving his and his fellow 'elite's' wallets. Curious why a 'foreign' power 'meddled' in the election in support of him. hmmmm And that same 'foreign' power continues to meddle. And Trump's supporters say 'didn't happen' because their fringe/kook media and the Kremlin said it didn't. However, one of the few good things to result from Trump's reign has NOT been hearing Trump supporters bang on about being patriotic. 'They've switched, as 'they' say 'sides'.

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so this has happened and I missed it? or is it baseless speculation?

The military occupation of Washington is merely the first step.

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Well, Barr is right the divide must change, but his credibility to be fair to black people is non existent, so Barr, based on his past acts of lies and deceit, is gaslighting. I take anything he says with a grain of salt, as he tries to manipulate people into thinking he actually cares about black people in America.

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what exactly has Barr done to black Americans?

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Gee Mr Barr, could it be these "Antifa" and "foreign actors" you were referring to?

In recent days, people protesting police brutality in Milwaukee and in dozens of other cities around the country have been joined by young white men carrying assault rifles and flying “Big Igloo” flags. Some of the men have engaged with the marchers, saying their goal is to protect everyone’s First Amendment rights. Some have stayed on the sidelines, quiet about their intentions but unmistakable in their intimidation. It’s likely both groups are affiliated with a movement known as the Boogaloo, according to experts on far-right organizations. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/those-young-white-men-with-guns-at-protests-are-likely-affiliated-with-far-right-group-the-boogaloo/ar-BB153t2h

But I guess these real-world armed, pro-Trump, far-right terrorists can be ignored....

Maybe you ought to get those glasses checked Bill...

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So in other words Antifa members are working with the media to create a brand new alt right equivalent to take the pressure off of them. No leader, no members, no organization. No one ever heard of this supposed group even 2 weeks ago.

according to experts on far-right organizations.

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 members are working with the media to create a brand new alt right equivalent to take the pressure off of them

Interesting that just a few posts back someone brought up the notion of 'baseless speculation'.

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never heard of this supposed group until it was time to get the heat off of Antifa cause too many whites who dont look like white supremacists were looting and burning and running Antifa tactics in the streets.

Like this guy is a white supremacist, looking like this?

https://newsthud.com/bill-barr-drops-hammer-hits-first-rioter-with-federal-charges-in-chicago-lets-start-a-riot/

No one has ever mentioned this group here prior to the announcement that Antifa will be investigated for these riots. classic misdirection.

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Ronald Reagan: ‘If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism’

never a truer sentence been spoken. He saw nearly 50 years into the future.

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So in other words Antifa members are working with the media to create a brand new alt right equivalent to take the pressure off of them. No leader, no members, no organization. 

The difference is that anyone who is Antifa has claimed that label themselves. Anyone alt-right pretends they aren’t.

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Ronald Reagan: ‘If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism’

And here we are, it’s happening under a republican president.

Turns out Reagan was wrong.

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Ronald Reagan: ‘If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism’

LOL. Well, Martha, Ronnie sure came up with some doozies based on nothing anyone ever thought.

Fascism is defined as a form of far-right authoritarian nationalism characterized by dictatorial powers and forcible suppression of the opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy.see(and saw) liberalism as the enemy. It wants a single state media that speaks a narrative created by and maintained by the fascists.

Reagan had it completely wrong...no surprise....fascism saw liberalism as the enemy and conservative followers with their heads in the sand as an ally. Liberalism teaches a critical thought process based on facts and strongly believes in humanities and empathy as a general rule. Liberalism is about thinking for oneself and not following false pretense, lies and ignorance(inject that disinfectant, ya'll!). Very anti-fascism.

The fact Trump sees nazi supremacists as 'fine people, too', uses church and military to gaslight, tries to make the conservative narrative media as America's only one, spews misinformation and lies constantly, are factors that do make him a fascist wannabe.

He'll fail, with his few fascist supporters at his side.

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As if we care about protests in other countries.

You should. Unless it's an aim for right wing America to become a pariah on the world stage. Isolationism doesn't really work for any country.

We'll take care of our own problems, you take of yours, and you have your share.

Unfortunately, what happens in your country resonates across the world. Far right/neoreactionary/accelerationists and their counterparts are emboldened by the racist rhetoric that comes out of the US.

As long as their is injustice in the land of the hypocrite, there will be consequences and questioning. After all, this is the "world" section, where posters contribute and comment about what's happening in the world.

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‘If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism’

Who'd have thought the racist corrupt cops and Trump and his enablers were liberals?

never a truer sentence been spoken.

I doubt it.

He saw nearly 50 years into the future.

Was he suffering from dementia at the time?

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