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“We must restore America and restore her honor,” said the former Alaska governor,

And just how did America somehow "lose" her honor?

Electing a person with black skin? Electing a Democrat? Getting in deep debt to the Chinese? Shipping millions of jobs overseas and creating vast unemployment at home?

This is where Glen Beck and the tea bag crowd lose me.

“Treat Obama like a used tea bag..."

That's right, the "tea bag" crowd.

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Even Terry Southern (creator of Dr. Strangelove) could not have come up with a scenario as bizarre as what is going on in the United States these days. 'Looney Tunes' is an apt description.

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Duelling idiots.

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"getting in deep debt... creating vast unemployment"

That's the Democrats for you.

"idiots"

What makes them idiots? Because they, along with a majority of Americans, want to take back our country from the people who are destroying it?

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Sharpton vs. Beck = duelling idiots.

@Sarge Who is destroying America?

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@proxy - Obama and the Democrats. Question: Is the country in better or worse shape than when the Democrats took over Congress and Obama took over the White House? Answer: It's in far worse shape.

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Obama and the Democrats; I see.

How are they destroying America?

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The Tea Party movement is religious now?

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Sarge the wars were already started before Obama became president.

Jobs were already sent overseas before Obama too office.

george bush signed TARP, a give away program before Obama took office. I'll just remind you that the stimulus package was full of loans, not cash give-aways.

george bush have away the farm in tax breaks before Obama came into the picture.

george bush mismanaged two wars before Obama took office.

Then we have Glen Beck and Sarah Palin preaching their form of Christianity. Glen Beck a born again Christian, nothing much worse. There are sinners around every corner and most of them are democrats? It's the republicans who did the list above. We have Palin who couldn't even finish her term as governor and we're supposed to take her serious.

Sarge, please continue your rewriting of the history of the US over the past 10 years. < :-)

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Sorry I didn't finich my thought.

Glen Beck a born again Christian alcoholic. < :-)

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How are they destroying America?

Deficit when Obama took over...

Deficit Now

Fill in the blank yourself.

Glen Beck a born again Christian, nothing much worse.

Really? I can think of a lot of things worse then that. I suspect you're lacking quite a bit in the imagination department if thats about the worst thing you can come up with.

Glen Beck a born again Christian alcoholic. < :-)

Recovering alcoholic. So, would be more accurate to describe him as a former alcoholic who has sworn off alcohol. Well, unless you're simply trying to slander him, in which case you could call him whatever you want.

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The Tea Party movement is religious now?

Tea Party =/= Glen Beck

Beck may be a part of the Tea Party, support most of their positions, but like any group, it has people from all sorts of backgrounds in it, of which Beck is merely one. The Tea Party itself is mostly about economics and size of government. Everything else, is not supported by the mainstream Tea Party. Please note the difference.

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If there were a group for groups who are wandering in darkness, the Tea Party would certainly be a member.

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Within the historical context, America's traditional values are no longer neither traditional nor of value.

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I really have no idea what these people think they are up to. If you asked 100 of them you'd probably get 100 different answers. They seem to be a group of people united by catchphrases...? Can someone help me here?

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superlib.

no, i'd say that pretty much covers it. It's not like they can take it any further, or else it would shatter their sense of thinking something through.

I don't get their angst on government. If they only voted for people based on skills instead of money and rhetoric just a bit more that usual would do wonders, but Palin is the antithesis of such thoughtfulness. Thus it must be concluded to be an Ironic Moron Conference. (my opinion)

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Anyone mixing traditional American values with the message of MLK belongs in a straight jacket. Tradition American values means arresting Rosa Parks for not moving to the back of the bus. I will take progressive values over these loons' ideas of traditional values any day. What they learned from MLK is that its not right to discriminate against black people...but they still think its okay to discriminate against gays, and welcome their new whipping boy, the Muslim. In short, they learned damn near nothing from MLK.

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“We must restore America and restore her honor,”

Well Sarah, step one is to figure out who stained America's honor. Step two is to denounce them and punish the guilty. When you are done punishing George W., Dick Cheney, their croneys, and denouncing those who supported them, know that you yourself have begun on the path of restoring honor. Then start to behave honorably, by both your actions and ESPECIALLY your inactions, and then, America's honor will be restored.

While Beck billed his event as nonpolitical, conservative activists from around the nation said their show of strength was a clear sign that they can swing elections across the country

Nonpolitical? But he talks about swinging votes? If you cannot figure out how much a liar Beck is, please, don't vote...ever. Yes, this show of strenght does show they can swing votes,...but just because you can, does not mean you should.

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I have no idea how Beck is what he is and I find myself agree with my bird chest adversaries today, with this exception: I will take progressive values over these loons' ideas of traditional values any day" Misswizard, my mother knows full well what progressives have done to Cuba and witnessed what your kind would do to move forward.

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skip, all progressives are EXACTLY the same, just like these traditionalists. So lets all hate eachother by labels, deal?

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Anyone standing on a 'traditional values' platform immediately attempts to hinder and even obstruct progress. The simplistic and ignorant nonsensical ramblings of Palin and Beck hark back to less enlightened times and ignore the threat that irrational religious beliefs pose to all human kind.

The thing I most dislike about Obama is that even though he appears to be sane and reasonably rational he lacks the courage to declare that he is in reality an atheist and that human beings can devise suitable moral codes to live by without the aid of Gods, scriptures or any other fantastical devices.

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Restoring America's honour? I thought they did that when George W. packed up his stuff and moved out of the White House. One thing they can do is to stop all the rhetoric and actually get both sides of government to work together to a common cause, the betterment of the people. From the outside, it just looks like every small thing is being blown up into big things and blocked on principle rather than practicality. Sure, it stops the government working properly and makes the President look lame, but it also pushes the country into a hole that is mighty hard to get out of. Perhaps if both sides worked together to recover from the effects of the financial crisis that began under Bush and continues under Obama, then they could concentrate on providing the best services to the people at the lowest cost, thus making everyone happy... Then again, as they say, pigs may fly...

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Interesting how the left hates Glenn Beck so much. Those of us who actually listen to Glenn Beck's radio program or watch his TV show know he's a Libertarian and holds both U.S. political parties in disdain. That point is lost on those who froth at the mouth, stamp their feet and shake their li'l fists over the fact liberals are not in charge of the most popular U.S. television news network.

Glen (sp) Beck a born again Christian alcoholic.

Instead of trying -- and failing -- to insult him (a typical liberal tactic: Attack the messenger and not the message), how about countering what he says point by point? Yes, yes, I know this will be difficult to do as there are not many far-left Internet sites for liberals to go to and be told how to think about Glenn Beck.

Thus it must be concluded to be an Ironic Moron Conference.

Through this gathering, Glenn Beck also helped to raise more than $5 million to support the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Even the fact that he does so much for U. S. military veteran's and their survivors also annoys the leftists. What a sad, pitiful bunch.

RR

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“Something beyond imagination is happening,” he said. “America today begins to turn back to God.”

I was of the obviously mistaken impression that (any) Church and State were supposed to be separate in the USA? These are the same folks shouting, "Let's build a mosque at ground zero when we can build a synagogue in Mecca!" Obvious lies both: (1) that America is a faith based constitutional republic, and (2) that its faith is Jewish! Who benefits from confusing the sheeple like this. Ask that question: Cui bono? Because what you see is not what's really happening!

The America, its land and people, that I came to admire, once upon a time, most certainly did not promulgate the racist bigotry this Beck/Palin movement is all about.

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@RomeoRamenll The "Special Operations Warrior Foundation". I rather think that the folk who came up with that name are the "sad, pitiful bunch".

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Throw Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck on the trash heap where they belong.

That'd help restore America's honor.

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Interesting how the left hates Glenn Beck so much. Those of us who actually listen to Glenn Beck's radio program or watch his TV show know he's a Libertarian and holds both U.S. political parties in disdain.

Those how have listened to Beck have heard him say that President Obama "has a deep-seated hatred for white people and white culture." Then, not two minutes later, Beck said, "I'm not saying that President Obama doesn't like white people." Then a minute after that, Beck calls Obama a "racist."

A person doesn't have to be very intelligent to note the extreme self-contradiction in Beck's thinking. It is interesting how conservatives like RR misinterpret the disdain that people with a minimum of goodwill and intelligence have for giving a clearly mentally-unbalanced person like Beck so much time and airspace to spew his bile.

With pun intended, he's a real Jeremiah of the Right.

Another example is Beck's expressed hatred for "social justice" and his professed respect for Martin Luther King, Jr, as a "hero." This is more self-contradictory mental nonsense since most of MLK's adult life was dedicated to social justice.

Beck relies on listeners with no knowledge of history or biography and no sense of mental discernment -- mean-spirited people who are extremely obsessed with "liberal hatred."

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I think "warrior" is little more than a euphemsim used to make people whose minds and bodies have been destroyed - due to the usually corrupt intentions of politicians - feel like their sacrifice has actually been worth something.

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Interesting how the left hates Glenn Beck so much. Those of us who actually listen to Glenn Beck's radio program or watch his TV show know he's a Libertarian and holds both U.S. political parties in disdain.

Beck is just another in a long line of commentators sticking their fingers in the wind to find a niche. He's in it for the money just like the rest of them, and he's made a ton of money just like poor, put-upon Ms Palin.

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I think "warrior" is little more than a euphemsim used to make people whose minds and bodies have been destroyed....

Possibly. I'd suggest it's a word beloved of particularly unpleasant dictatorships, terrorists and little boys playing fighting games on their Play Stations. And right-wing nutters.

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Anyone mixing traditional American values with the message of MLK belongs in a straight jacket. Tradition American values means arresting Rosa Parks for not moving to the back of the bus.

Traditional values like freedom for all? Those traditional values? Yeah, think again. Ah wait, the moment someone mentions Palin or Beck, you guys brains just short-circuit and blow a fuse. No thinking here, just mindless insults.

The America, its land and people, that I came to admire, once upon a time, most certainly did not promulgate the racist bigotry this Beck/Palin movement is all about.

Please, explain how Palin/Beck are either racist or bigoted. Actual proof please, not just moronic insults.

Another example is Beck's expressed hatred for "social justice" and his professed respect for Martin Luther King, Jr, as a "hero." This is more self-contradictory mental nonsense since most of MLK's adult life was dedicated to social justice.

Is that really the case? MLK devoted his life to achieving freedom and equality for people of color. Not growing government to an obscene size. Not forcing quotas on others, which is nothing more then reverse racism. He was about equality, giving people a chance to succeed, not because of the color of their skin, but because of their merits. Oddly enough, that is no longer the message of the left. Having Beck pointing this out though is deeply offensive these people. I wonder, if MLK was alive today, would he be encouraging Blacks to march in lockstep with the Dems as a monolithic voting bloc the way they are now? Or would he encourage them to support both sides depending on their beliefs? I suspect the latter. He wanted freedom for his people, not slave like devotion. Instead, the black leaders have led their people into slavery to the Democratic Party. That to me, is a very sad thing.

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They seem to be a group of people united by catchphrases...? Can someone help me here?

Catchphrases like Hope and Change? Those kind of catchphrases? You'd better ask an Obama supporter about that.

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"Please, explain how Palin/Beck are either racist or bigoted"

They can't.

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RomeoRamenII: Those of us who actually listen to Glenn Beck's radio program or watch his TV show know he's a Libertarian and holds both U.S. political parties in disdain

"America today begins to turn back to God."

"recognize your place to the creator. Realize that he is our king. He is the one who guides and directs our life and protects us."

"I ask, not only if you would pray on your knees, but pray on your knees but with your door open for your children to see,"

It's nice that he has disdain for both political parties, but is there any chance that you can undo any of the above? Because he doesn't really sound like a guy I want to have anything to do with.

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Pestronika: Beck is just another in a long line of commentators sticking their fingers in the wind to find a niche. He's in it for the money just like the rest of them

I read your comment and cynically agreed, then I went to his website to see more about the guy. I clicked on the link talking about the rally and the top 2 advertising slots are endorsements from Beck...heh. "Protect your valuables the way I do - with a Liberty Safe." That's not a joke. He's promoting an actual safe. The other ad is him pimping an investor kit.

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Is that really the case? MLK devoted his life to achieving freedom and equality for people of color.

In King's own words, from an address given in December of 1963 at Western Michigan University: "I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice."

Not growing government to an obscene size. Not forcing quotas on others, which is nothing more then reverse racism.

King would certainly recognize statements like that as one of the half-truths -- I call them by their more accurate name: LIES -- that some conservatives have duped themselves into believing. Again, here are King-the-Hero's own words:

"Now the other myth that gets around is the idea that legislation cannot really solve the problem and that it has no great role to play in this period of social change because you've got to change the heart and you can't change the heart through legislation. You can't legislate morals. The job must be done through education and religion. Well, there's half-truth involved here. Certainly, if the problem is to be solved then in the final sense, hearts must be changed. Religion and education must play a great role in changing the heart. But we must go on to say that while it may be true that morality cannot be legislated, behavior can be regulated. It may be true that the law cannot change the heart but it can restrain the heartless. It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me but it can keep him from lynching me and I think that is pretty important, also. So there is a need for executive orders. There is a need for judicial decrees. There is a need for civil rights legislation on the local scale within states and on the national scale from the federal government."

Instead, the black leaders have led their people into slavery to the Democratic Party. That to me, is a very sad thing.

That is a ludicrous statement on a par with Beck's calling President Obama a racist. People with as much sheer hatred in their hearts as Beck and his defenders let slip out cause decent folks to hold their noses when they attempt to reinterpret and twist King to suit their own political purposes, as well as to their personal biases.

King was ALL about social justice and using the government to achieve it in the areas that most mattered: by restraining (regulating) the behavior of the racists and haters. In the United States of the 1950s and early 60s, that was an awful lot of behavior to restrain. (I have little doubt that the same period is one that Beck and his ilk wax nostalgic over.)

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heh the ads on his site are priceless....

"Carbonite = Common Sense. Get Carbonite Now!" - Glenn Beck

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Not only can I get my honor restored, but apparently I can get pretty good deals on safes, investment kits, online backup, and stamps.

But wait....there's more!

"New Survival Seed Bank Lets You Plant Full Acre Crisis Garden!"

"Backup Power When You Need it Most - Generate Free Electricity!"

So let's see..... Gold investment packages, crisis gardens, generate your own electricity, gun safes, get on your knees and pray....hmmmm....

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That is a ludicrous statement on a par with Beck's calling President Obama a racist. People with as much sheer hatred in their hearts as Beck and his defenders let slip out cause decent folks to hold their noses when they attempt to reinterpret and twist King to suit their own political purposes, as well as to their personal biases.

Ludicrous? Pointing out reality is Ludicrous? Blacks who have some independence are cast out, called 'Uncle Toms' and other hateful names. Conformity is enforced. And what do blacks get in return for their slavelike devotion? Welfare checks and handouts, designed to keep them in their place.

King was ALL about social justice and using the government to achieve it in the areas that most mattered: by restraining (regulating) the behavior of the racists and haters. In the United States of the 1950s and early 60s, that was an awful lot of behavior to restrain. (I have little doubt that the same period is one that Beck and his ilk wax nostalgic over.)

Interesting spin. Some truth to it of course, more untruth, but thats never really mattered has it.

So let's see..... Gold investment packages, crisis gardens, generate your own electricity, gun safes, get on your knees and pray....hmmmm....

And your point is what? Shall we contrast this with some of the ads found on other websites or channels? Who advertises with you, depends on many factors. How big your audience, what kind of audience it is, whether or not the company thinks your audience fits their niche. Safes, gold investment portfolios, etc makes sense for Beck. What kind of advertisements do you see on CNN or MSNBC?

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Always nice to see nut-cases excersing their right to free assembly.

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Pointing out reality is Ludicrous?

Suffice to say that much of Reverend King's life was devoted to what he himself called "the goal of the new age": social justice. That much has been made clear.

The reality is that Glenn Beck called President Obama a hater of whites and a racist. Beck and his defenders are completely out of touch with reality. WAY out of touch.

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I listen to Glenn Beck's radio show most days, just to listen to the nut case air his side of equality. I feel if I don't listen to him, then I don't know what he stands for. And he never ceases to amaze me at how many times he can label Obama and his ilk as Nazis and a Socialists and the list goes on. He's almost as much a nut case as Dr. Michael Savage. < :-)

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Suffice to say that much of Reverend King's life was devoted to what he himself called "the goal of the new age": social justice. That much has been made clear.

Really? You mean he wasn't after equal rights? He wasn't interested in "equal justice". You're saying his goal was social justice. Allow me to simply say, you are way off base.

The reality is that Glenn Beck called President Obama a hater of whites and a racist. Beck and his defenders are completely out of touch with reality. WAY out of touch.

I'll just point you to this article here... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/29/beck-amends-obama-racist-comment-questions-belief-collective-salvation/

I like Glen Beck. I admit this. I like him, and I'm concerned about him for the same reasons. He is a true believer. He really believes what he says. I admire him for that reason, even while it worries me. True Believers have been responsible for a lot of really bad things. No, I don't think he will do something, or even suggest others do things, however I'll admit it still concerns me. That said, I agree with a lot of the things he says. He loves America, and thinks things are going in the wrong direction, and this rally of his, is nothing more then an attempt to help it change direction.

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You're saying his goal was social justice.

No! King himself was asserting that THE goal of the new age was social justice. On several occasions, King indicated that a country whose values are based on social justice will have equal rights and equal justice as fruits of that effort. They simply can't exist apart from each other. ("A society based upon justice will have little need for charity.")

He loves America, and thinks things are going in the wrong direction

Here's the rub: America has been going in the wrong direction for many, many years now. It appears that people like Beck, Hannity, etc., maintain a respectful silence when it's a Republican in the White House leading it the wrong way. By contrast, you'll find lots of criticism for Obama coming from the non-Fox news outlets.

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"Ken Ratliff, 55, of Rochester, N.Y., who served as a Marine in the Vietnam War, said he is moving more in the tea party direction. “There’s got to be a change, man,” he said."

Boy does this raise eyebrows. He would have been 18 in 1973. I wonder what "in the Vietnam War" means.

"He is a true believer. He really believes what he says."

Molenir, if you look at where he comes from and what he has published, it is impossible for a reasonable person to believe he is sincere. He sincerely loves money, not America, and he will use religion or any other American hot button to get it.

As the posts above show, most people can see right through that. What he is doing now is morphing to a televangelist. He will keep a hard core of gullible people and just keep milking them. If you give him the benefit of the doubt, as Molenir does, then you will be able to forgive him no matter what he thinks. People have done this with Sarah too. They bragged to their friends how great she was, and now that their friends are gone, they still have Sarah. Friends to the end no matter what.

What really surprises and is almost as revolting is the morphing of Al Sharpton to a blithering idiot money-grubber into what appears to be a respected leader at this MLK event.

The whole thing kind of illustrates that the center has collapsed. Billy Graham is gone. Where is Colin Powell? It has been replaced by what can be described best as fanatical factions gone legit. People seem to want to believe in anything as long as it is not just normal common sense. So you get Billy Graham's kid and Beck sniping from the right, and Al Sharpton doing his darnedest to hold a battle line at a little left of center.

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"Because they, along with a majority of Americans, want to take back our country from the people who are destroying it?"

Because they, along with a minority of vocal Americans, want to destroy the government despite the majority of people who voted for it.

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"Perhaps if both sides worked together to recover from the effects of the financial crisis that began under Bush and continues under Obama, then they could concentrate on providing the best services to the people at the lowest cost, thus making everyone happy"

How long it has been since I have read such a reasonable characterization of what government should be? Instead of thinking about government as Sauron or Gandalf, people should characterize and criticize it as McDonald's. If it is not doing what it is supposed to do, well, that is failure, but all of this "Obama this and that" opinionated nonsense... how does that change the service that government produces? Is the national government that pervasive in US life? Not really. Beck has to invent things to get people riled up.

The boring truth is that the government sputters along on a shoestring administering things that must be done. Micromanagement from the bleachers is not constructive. Values? Bah. As if fast-food cashiers should all be Baptists or something. Obama went from being a master to being a servant (a public servant), and he has to serve these people. Isn't that humiliation enough?

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Beck put a heavy religious cast on nearly all his remarks, sounding at times like an evangelical preacher.

Trying to distance himself from the Koch Brothers? Wrapping himself in God to try and make it harder to criticize him?

Just a guess, but no doubt Beck knew that the Koch brothers were about to get exposed. If you read the article in question, Beck comes across looking like their mouthpiece and poodle.

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Molenir said: I like Glen Beck. I admit this. I like him, and I'm concerned about him for the same reasons. He is a true believer. He really believes what he says. I admire him for that reason, even while it worries me.

Apparently, you have another standard for Muslims.

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It's a real eye-opener to see America split apart like this. The hatred, bitterness, anger and outright lies of certain groups has been disturbing for a while now. I seriously wonder whether America is turning into a South African apartheid-like state where powerful bigoted racists rule over an oppessed enfeebled underclass. The Right and the ongoing recession seem to be creating both sides in this equation.

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SushiSake3: where powerful bigoted racists rule

Yes, Sushi. The evil conservatives are on the verge of taking over the United States and ruling it as whites did in South Africa.

Nothing paranoid at all in that statement.

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Good job Beck and Palin. It's funny to watch the international Left go into hysterics and cry like babies.

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manfromamerica said: Good job Beck and Palin. It's funny to watch the international Left go into hysterics and cry like babies.

Its too bad you cannot find more fun in just being honest and getting things straight and fair. Instead you take pleasure in causing trouble, while simultaneously spreading lies and hate. Why not play some video games, bother imaginary people only, and have a conscience, eh?

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Molenir said: Traditional values like freedom for all? Those traditional values? Yeah, think again. Ah wait, the moment someone mentions Palin or Beck, you guys brains just short-circuit and blow a fuse. No thinking here, just mindless insults.

Finding the flaw in stating something like "traditional values" should be restored while at the same time trying to honor MLK is not hard and its certainly not mindless. Or are you suggesting that traditional American values came somethime AFTER MLK? No, I don't think you are that far gone are you? In MLK's time and before, it was traditional in America to segregrate all races from white. 100 years before that, it was tradtional to keep the blacks in chains.

Freedom for all? This is a progressive ideal. Trying to hijack it is lame and transparent in the extreme. It was understood that the word "men" in all our laws and documents meant white males only from the time of the American Revolution. The proof is in the pudding, and you would have to be hopelessly ignorant to not know about that pudding. Allowing women to vote is rather new. Allowing blacks to vote is even newer (and still sometimes denied in spots). Freedom for all is not at all traditional in America. Its shiny and new. Its absolutely progressive. If it will break your back to admit it, then suffer the weight of the truth for once.

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Never ceases to amaze me how many supporters people like Glen Beck and Sarah Palin can round up. Plain scary

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Lies, anger, hatred and bigotry are American values? Hey, since when? Oh yeah, since bush jnr. signed up to Karl Rove's strategy to strengthen the conservative base and demonize the rest, which kicked off the divisions we are seeing deepen by the month.

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Lies, anger, hatred and bigotry are American values? Hey, since when? Oh yeah, since bush jnr. signed up to Karl Rove's strategy to strengthen the conservative base and demonize the rest, which kicked off the divisions we are seeing deepen by the month.

Wow, pot meet kettle. What were you saying about lies, anger, hatred and bigotry again? I read you post and thought... umm who is expressing what? Reading through this thread, I see a bunch of lies about these people, tons of anger and hatred directed towards them. I don't know about bigotry, but I suspect its here as well. Quite the hypocrisy. Guess its only lies, anger, hatred, and bigotry if you're on the right. If your on the left, then those things simply don't apply to you. (Black Panthers) Ahem, good to know.

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I was never happy about the Black Panther ruling. But there is a lot more to do with Beck/Palin's hate message then the Black Panthers.

Beck likes to call Obama a communist, racist, socialist, nazi and the list goes on. He can't be all those things simultaneously.

That's alright. You know how these born again Christian alcoholics run off at the mouth. You can find them around the corner from the liquor store. < :-)

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I was never happy about the Black Panther ruling. But there is a lot more to do with Beck/Palin's hate message then the Black Panthers.

Sorry, what rally were you listening to. Ah wait, it was that one down the street that claims MLK as their own. Their own property, exclusive to them, and whatever cause they claim to support today.

Beck likes to call Obama a communist, racist, socialist, nazi and the list goes on. He can't be all those things simultaneously.

Have you ever even listened to Beck? Really. He makes very few hard and fast claims about the President. About the only ones he really makes, is that the President surrounds himself with people who are, all communists, and socialists. (They really are, he plays the clips where they admit these things themselves.) He generally leaves deciding what the President supports to the viewer. Rather following the FoxNews Tagline, We report you Decide. As for Nazis, yeah, you made that up.

The racist charge though has more to do with the group of people the President hung around with. (Rev. Wrong and company) As well as the fact that he hung around them for more then 20 years. Call me crazy, but if one of your best friends is a member of the KKK, people might think you shared some of his beliefs as well. Is Obama different merely because those in question have black skin? I don't know if he's racist or not. I rather doubt it. But its easy enough to follow the reasoning to that conclusion.

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Yeah, I listen to him most every day. Honestly. I like to know what the far right thinks and preaches. He's scary. < :-)

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Yeah, I listen to him most every day. Honestly. I like to know what the far right thinks and preaches. He's scary. < :-)

I guess I can understand where you are coming from here aday. I like the man because so much of what he says resonates with me. I agree with it. At the same time, I admit to being a bit unnerved by the fact that he is as I said in a post above, a 'true believer'. He believes everything he preaches, and to me that is a bit worrisome. I imagine that being on the opposite side, supporting communist/socialist ideals, that hearing him talk could be even more worrisome then it is for me.

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Wow, just read a couple of articles that show how desperate the left is becoming over Beck. How much of a following he has. One article talked about how there were between 300, and 500 thousand people at his rally. (No precise number) The 300k number is probably more accurate, but who really knows. The other article was about a HuffPuff article requesting dirt on Beck, in order to destroy him. They're requesting anything, a sex tape, phone records, anything they can use to bring him down. And offering 100k dollars for such stuff. Just goes to show just how desperate the left truly is becoming. Beck is actually terrifying these people. Hope he has good bodyguards. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if some loon tried to kill him.

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Please Molenir, all political parties and campaigns are always soliciting anything that can be used against the political combatant. But act surprised. It makes you sound so naive. NOT. < :-)

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Please Molenir, all political parties and campaigns are always soliciting anything that can be used against the political combatant. But act surprised. It makes you sound so naive. NOT. < :-)

No, there is a significant difference here, and you're very naive if you don't see it. Publicly asking for dirt on a specific individual, who is not a candidate for elective office. Publicly offering a significant reward for coming up with something that will destroy this individual... No, a huge difference. This comes perilously close to being illegal. Regardless though, this is showing the desperation of Becks opponents, as well suggesting that they are becoming dangerous.

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God help (haha) everyone from an America run by a Palin/Beck mentality. It would be the end of a progressive society, instead a throwback to to more simple minded, religiously mis-guided, bigotted America that has no honor at all. It's leaders might as well put on robes, wear crosses around their necks, live in caves and threaten Christ non-believers with "nucular" destruction.....I'd laugh in their faces at their idiocy if it wasn't so serious.

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The other article was about a HuffPuff article requesting dirt on Beck, in order to destroy him. They're requesting anything, a sex tape, phone records, anything they can use to bring him down.

The article in question was not a "Huff-Puff article." It was a posting by a private individual, much like the posts here at Japan Today.

The posting did not remain up very long, and was removed because it failed to meet the editorial standards of the site. The author's future posts will now be reviewed prior to publishing.

Regardless though, this is showing the desperation of Becks opponents, as well suggesting that they are becoming dangerous.

The author of the pulled post on Huffington has already receieved death threats. It is only the "true believers" you have to be really afraid of. Like the right wing fanatics who kill doctors in churches.

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God help (haha) everyone from an America run by a Palin/Beck mentality. It would be the end of a progressive society, instead a throwback to to more simple minded, religiously mis-guided, bigotted America that has no honor at all.

The end of a so called "progressive" would if anything be a good thing. It would be a throwback to a time when America was more independent and self-reliant. Add in equality and it would be a great society, one that depended not on the government, but on individuals. That is of course the ultimate nightmare for the progressives. Their ultimate goal being the complete control of society via the government, in order to redistribute wealth and create a much more equal, though poorer people.

The author of the pulled post on Huffington has already receieved death threats. It is only the "true believers" you have to be really afraid of. Like the right wing fanatics who kill doctors in churches.

Yabits, you are being truly naive here. Think of the loonies that have come out of the woodwork recently. Like that professor who gunned down a bunch of people at a faculty meeting for instance. These are not isolated examples. You can see signs of extremism all over the place in the left. From SEIU thugs beating up protestors, to Black Panthers intimidating voters. Do you really think the right has the only nuts? Trying to spin it this way is being simply dishonest. This leftwing nutcase who desires greatly to destroy Beck, and offers 100k in order to solicit any dirt he can get, is a case in point. The post may have been pulled. I certainly hope so. This doesn't change the point however. The attitude exhibited by your fellows, who are determined to use any means necessary to bring down any who oppose them. Don't try to hide this. You yourself are guilty of these things as well. Look at the hatred expressed by you and other posters on this site whenever Palin is mentioned. It goes to show the desperation, hatred and bigotry seems more concentrated on the left these days, then it does on the right.

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Molenir, you're more naive than I thought. Conservatives like you cry out for getting the govt. out of your lives, but when you need roads, community and social services, welfare and SS checks, protection from terrorists or help when a Katrina-size disaster hits, who do anti-government conservatives cry out for? That's right - the government.

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Molenir, you're more naive than I thought. Conservatives like you cry out for getting the govt. out of your lives, but when you need roads, community and social services, welfare and SS checks, protection from terrorists or help when a Katrina-size disaster hits, who do anti-government conservatives cry out for? That's right - the government.

Speak for yourself here. I am a believer in self reliance. What I am not, is a believer that that government should step in to save us from our own stupidity. I grant that there are those among the right, that are as you described. That preach limited government until disaster occurs, then wonder why government isn't there. However the government always is there. People like yourself have insisted that it must be. That government must take care of us from birth til death, and have sought to remove from us both the opportunity for success, as well as for failure.

Getting back to your post, if I build a house on the beach, and a storm comes through and destroys it, I'm not like most people, I would either rebuild it myself, or sell the land and move somewhere else. What I wouldn't do is go whining to the government to rebuild my house. As far as I'm concerned thats none of their damned business.

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Conservative commentator Glenn Beck and tea party champion Sarah Palin appealed Saturday ..<snip>.. to help restore traditional American values <snip>. Beck put a heavy religious cast on nearly all his remarks, sounding at times like an evangelical preacher.

Indeed, bring traditional American values, like mom's apple pie, witch burnings, genocide against the natives (given that America has almost run out of natives they'll probably have to continue pursuing their campaign of invading other countries and killing the natives there), stealing everything that isn't nailed down, owning slaves, killing each other in pointless gunfights (Circa Wild West to Today), etc., etc.

Bring back traditional America values! ... it just all depends how much you cherry pick and try to ignore that traditional America was like traditional Europe, backwards, dirty, unhygenic and with a life expectancy of about 30 years.

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Indeed, bring traditional American values, like mom's apple pie, witch burnings, genocide against the natives (given that America has almost run out of natives they'll probably have to continue pursuing their campaign of invading other countries and killing the natives there), stealing everything that isn't nailed down, owning slaves, killing each other in pointless gunfights (Circa Wild West to Today), etc., etc.

snore Ah were saying something? All I seem to hear when reading this is blah, blah, blah...

Talk about cherry picking... You are basically just making crap up. Your little suggestions above would be like me saying, if you support abortion rights, then you must think murder is ok. You think its ok to go out and murder people right? Its complete nonsense. There are those who think abortion is murder, but what they aren't saying, is that you pro-abort people think its ok to just go out and murder people. Please note the distinction here. Beck and Palin etc are not saying anything about genocide, or witch burnings or any of your other nonsense. What they are saying, has more to do with traditional American values like faith in god. Helping your neighbors, things like that. For someone complaining about anothers cherry picking, you are being pretty egregious yourself.

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Think of the loonies that have come out of the woodwork recently. Like that professor who gunned down a bunch of people at a faculty meeting for instance. These are not isolated examples. You can see signs of extremism all over the place in the left.

You are referring to the Bishop case. She also shot and killed her brother when she was in her teens -- a case ruled accidental at the time and since re-opened. Are you really attributing this to leftist politics -- and her politics were by no means clear -- rather than to mental insanity?

From SEIU thugs beating up protestors...

Never happened. It was a right-winger lying about the whole event.

So your "examples," which you claim to be not "isolated" are not examples at all.

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You are referring to the Bishop case. She also shot and killed her brother when she was in her teens -- a case ruled accidental at the time and since re-opened. Are you really attributing this to leftist politics -- and her politics were by no means clear -- rather than to mental insanity?

Has nothing to do with politics, though she is a left wing loon. And the thing about SEIU thugs happened multiple times, and is documented with video evidence. Point is, there are plenty of leftwing nutcases. What I said earlier, which you seemed to dismiss, was that Beck and company do have to worry about security. This idiot offering 100k for something that will destroy Beck is only one symptom of a greater problem. The left wing is growing desperate to destroy Beck and what he represents.

As I read over what I wrote, I have to add, I know there are nuts on both sides. When you hear about some whackjob spiking trees, or union thugs attacking people, if you look you can probably hear about some rightwing nut, bombing abortion clinics or something, though fortunately there has been a lot less of that lately.

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Beck is a tool of the Morman church. They hate blacks and gays. Restoring america is a simple code for making american white and straight again, or at least the appearance of those two things.

Not gonna happen. What this event shows is how the reactionary crowd is dying. The average age at the event seemed to have been 65. Old and tired and angry they all were.

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What it's more like was a Rally to Restoring Honor to the White Christian Minority. Glenn Beck is leading the march of the new minority. Whites are becoming the newest minority year after year and we need to keep our prominence.

Oh and he ...amended his thinking, Obama's not a racist. Never apologized for calling him a racist, just amended his thinking. That's so neat. <:-)

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Conservative commentator Glenn Beck and tea party champion Sarah Palin appealed Saturday to a vast, predominantly white crowd on the National Mall to help restore traditional American values and honor Martin Luther King’s message.

I'm not sure I know exactly what is meant here by traditional American values, but it seems Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck do. Has a consensus been reached as to what those values are? Can someone shed some light on this, because the article doesn't say much?

If not, then the whole meeting is just a cheap PR stunt to promote a couple of TV personalities and whip up populist sentiment. I guess don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Faith in God, hardworking, help your neighbor, respect your parents, stand up for what you believe, land of opportunity, you can be anything you want, stand up for what you believe...seem like all pretty traditional American values to me.

However youre not gonna see to many of them. Better not mention God near a school, and only Islam seems to be an OK religion because everyone is so dam afraid of being called a bigot. Though they are fine smashing on every other religion.

Hardworking? Well thats out...why work the govt will take care of you.

Help your neighbor? Not since theyll sue you if an accident happens.

Respect your parents? How about know them...58% of marriages end in divorce...

Land of opportunity? Keep trading freedom for more government aid or protection and it wont be.

You can be anything you want...unless theres a quota to fill

Stand up for what you believe? Yeah and get called racist or a bigot if what you believe isnt Ultra Lib...

Think thats more what they were talkin about as American Values.

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Beck and co. are a slowly dying breed of largely white folk who are typically addicted to a shopping list of pills, overweight, and in for a hell of a shock when their social security starts getting cut and rising inflation and debt pushes up prices and taxes due to the clearly unsustainable debt binge they and their government have been on for decades. If any values need to be forcefed to this sorry bunch, it's live within your means and stop filling yourselves with factory processed, disease forming crap.

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"...and restore her honor"

"...today begins to turn back to God"

"divine providence"

"I ask, not only if you would pray on your knees, but pray on your knees but with your door open for your children to see,"

"Say what you want to say about me, but I raised a combat vet and you can’t take that away from me"

"For too long, this country has wandered in darkness"

Just this language makes me forebode the worst. The leader of this tea party movement isn't by chance... Ahmadinejad??

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@SushiSake3

Beck and co. are a slowly dying breed of largely white folk who are typically addicted to a shopping list of pills, overweight, and in for a hell of a shock when their social security starts getting cut and rising inflation and debt pushes up prices and taxes due to the clearly unsustainable debt binge they and their government have been on for decades. If any values need to be forcefed to this sorry bunch, it's live within your means and stop filling yourselves with factory processed, disease forming crap.

What do you mean "Slowly dying breed" on the contrary, America is still by far a more traditional Conservative society, the current administration is bankrupting our country, printing more money, borrowing from China and spending us into oblivion! I really wanted to give This new President the chance and thought change might be good, but boy was the country wrong about that! Everything the government sticks its hands into turns into a disaster. People have gotten lazier. Out of control spending, record unemployment, one of the worst in recent memory, they want to increase unemployment to 99 weeks and so on and so on. Beck is totally right, we need to regain our Values and one thing that America lost is its ability at being self-reliant. More and more I see people clinging to the government as if they are the answer for any and everything. This turnout from Palin and Beck shows you how the country really feels, people feel like, Washington is NOT listening to the people. Of course the local liberal media was trying to spin it as a Conservative Event and making it seem like the Tea party is a bunch of fringe backward White racist idiots which is not try at all. MLK's niece welcomed them with open arms. so that does give somewhat of an indication as to the overall sentiments of the people. The left hate Beck and I mean, despise the man to the deepest core. Sure you have radical loons on both sides of the fence I understand, but we have 3 branches of government that are controlled by Dems and Liberals, we voted them in and what did they do? Not only did they wanted to change America, but thought it needed a complete overhaul, big mistake! Therefore, they think they have a green light to do with the country whatever they want to without any impunity. This has got to stop and if the House or the Senate is under the Conservatives they can put an end to this reckless spending-finally!

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Molenir at 11:27 AM JST - 31st August snore Ah were saying something? All I seem to hear when reading this is blah, blah, blah...

Ahhh, and you started out so maturely.

Frungy wrote, "Indeed, bring traditional American values, like mom's apple pie, witch burnings, genocide against the natives (given that America has almost run out of natives they'll probably have to continue pursuing their campaign of invading other countries and killing the natives there), stealing everything that isn't nailed down, owning slaves, killing each other in pointless gunfights (Circa Wild West to Today), etc., etc."

Talk about cherry picking... You are basically just making crap up.

I missed out on that greatest American traditional value, the ability to deny the truth even when there's incontrovertible evidence. Making stuff up? Are you're so ill-educated and ill-informed that you've never heard of the Salem Witch Trials, the American attempted genocide of the Indians, Slavery, Columbine, the civilian death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war crimes in Vietnam? What precisely was I making up?

Perhaps you're talking about Mom's apple pie. Okay, I'll give you that one. Not every mother makes apple pie, and perhaps you just had a sub-standard mother.

What I was pointing out about cherry picking was that people wrongly assume that you culture and values is like shopping, and you can pick and choose the positive attributes you want and just leave the negative ones on the shelf. That's such a simplistic view that it is insulting. Let's look at some of the attributes they want ... oh wait, the entire article is remarkably vague, they talk about "honor", a term that could mean very different things to different people, and has been the source of so much misery, suffering and stupidity (e.g. The Charge of the Light Brigade) that it should be outlawed. They definitely didn't use a more clear term like "honesty"... but then that would be difficult since they're politicians and people would probably just have started laughing.

Your little suggestions above would be like me saying, if you support abortion rights, then you must think murder is ok. You think its ok to go out and murder people right? Its complete nonsense. There are those who think abortion is murder, but what they aren't saying, is that you pro-abort people think its ok to just go out and murder people. Please note the distinction here. Beck and Palin etc are not saying anything about genocide, or witch burnings or any of your other nonsense. What they are saying, has more to do with traditional American values like faith in god. Helping your neighbors, things like that. For someone complaining about anothers cherry picking, you are being pretty egregious yourself.

The value they mention most often is religion, specifically in Christian terms, such as "church" rather than temple/mosque/sabbat. Religion is a perfect example of the sort of cherry picking logic I was talking about. Slavery was supported by religious leaders ("the sons of Ham"), killing has been supported by religion ("an eye for an eye"), etc. A single state religion (in this case they seem to be pushing for Christianity) has always resulted in religious persecution and intolerance. So yeah, they want religion as an "American" value, but they don't want the stuff that goes with it. That doesn't work, because where you have 1 state religion you get plenty of extremists. I wasn't cherry picking, I was pointing out the flip side that you were ignoring.

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Frungy has a tough time seperating what a value is versus what an event is. Want to play that game? Europe and Asian countries are older than America and have double the amount of skeltons hiding in their closets. Spanish Inquisition, French Revolution, Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, Tibet, Nanjing Massacre...so what? They like everything you mentioned are events, not values. People in America dont grow up fostering the value of Columbine no more so than Germany fosters values surrounding the holocaust.

Also what to lob and insult dudes moms apple pie. That was really made your points convincing.

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genji17 at 12:58 PM JST - 1st September Frungy has a tough time seperating what a value is versus what an event is.

And so these events just "happened" magically without anyone making important decisions or supporting them? They were totally divorced from the values of the society in which they occurred? Don't be ridiculous. Events happen because of the values of a society.

And yes, conservatives in Europe are guilty of precisely the same error, wanting a certain set of values without admitting that those values naturally produced certain social trends and events. Let's take a good one, "Respect for authority". Sounds good, wholesome and like a worthwhile value... until your realise that the Nazi party got away with its initial push for power because everyone was so busy respecting authority that they just didn't think that anyone would or could act with such disregard for the proper authorities, and then after the Nazi party succeed they played on that same value to convince the rest of Germany to do what they said.

Before anyone complains that Beck and Palin aren't talking about "Respect for authority", that is exactly what they're talking about. Beck particularly wants religion to become the authority, and since God is notoriously silent on what he'd like people to do I'm sure that Beck will find any number of preachers willing to speak on God's behalf, and if you disagree then you'll be a heretic and "UnAmerican"! Of course the idea of anyone putting words in God's mouth is heretical, so no good Christian would think anyone would do it, just like nobody thought the Nazi party would dare to do something like the night of the long knives.

These people aren't promoting a set of values, they're setting you up to be controlled like sheep. The irony is, genji17, that you even mention the Spanish Inquisition in your list of examples, but you fail to acknowledge that Beck's idea of "traditional American values" would mix religion and state, precisely the combination that led to the Inquisition.

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Before anyone complains that Beck and Palin aren't talking about "Respect for authority", that is exactly what they're talking about. Beck particularly wants religion to become the authority, and since God is notoriously silent on what he'd like people to do I'm sure that Beck will find any number of preachers willing to speak on God's behalf, and if you disagree then you'll be a heretic and "UnAmerican"! Of course the idea of anyone putting words in God's mouth is heretical, so no good Christian would think anyone would do it, just like nobody thought the Nazi party would dare to do something like the night of the long knives.

This nation has placed its destiny in the hands and heads and hearts of its millions of free men and women, and its faith in freedom under the guidance of God. Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere. Our support goes to those who struggle to gain those rights and keep them. Our strength is our unity of purpose.

Franklin D. Roosevelt and the close of his famous 'The Four Freedoms Speech' from 6 January 1941........Traditional American values never go out of style even then as now.

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Beck is an entertainer and that's as far as it goes. I hope he enjoyed his song and dance. Like an old time revival under the tent.

They'll hoot and holler, then as soon as they leave the tent, they are democrat haters.

But it was a nice day for a White Religious Rally. < :-)

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These people aren't promoting a set of values, they're setting you up to be controlled like sheep. The irony is, genji17, that you even mention the Spanish Inquisition in your list of examples, but you fail to acknowledge that Beck's idea of "traditional American values" would mix religion and state, precisely the combination that led to the Inquisition.

And yet, it didn't. What Beck and company are talking about, are the values that the country was founded on. And what did those values lead to? An end of Slavery among other things, and the greatest country, a country with more freedom and prosperity then any other in history. Contrast this with the values so often proposed by people on your side, those values led directly to the murder of well over 100 million people. Yeah, the inquisition was nothing compared to that.

Beck is an entertainer and that's as far as it goes. I hope he enjoyed his song and dance. Like an old time revival under the tent.

True, he is an entertainer, and so much more. Trying to understate his significance is stupid. Would be like saying Jesus was a little influential, or Hitler was mean. Its true, but so understated as to be almost meaningless.

On another note, you remember a few days ago, I said Beck and company should worry about the left wing loons? Watching the news today, another loon decided to act at Discovery channel today.

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But it was a nice day for a White Religious Rally. < :-)

You missed one of your talking points here by the way. The preferred talking point was "overwhelmingly white" rally. Interesting how racist the media can be when talking about conservatives. And yourself of course as well. I thought this was a good article, that addresses part of what you are saying, and my point as well. Do take a look.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/01/deneen-borelli-naacp-ben-jealous-glenn-beck-washington-restoring-honor-martin/?test=latestnews

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Molenir said: And yet, it didn't. What Beck and company are talking about, are the values that the country was founded on.

First, I wonder how you figure that? A lucky guess? Second, the values America were founded on were exclusively for the benefit of white males. We changed that tradition, hence, its not traditional to allow black women to benefit. Its something new.

And what did those values lead to? An end of Slavery among other things,

Even the French abandoned slavery before the U.S....under a monarchy. The U.S. was the last first world nation to give up slavery, and it took a bitter civil war to accomplish it. The truth is heavy, but you won't get any stronger carry about those light lies.

and the greatest country, a country with more freedom and prosperity then any other in history.

Greatest country is VERY subjective. Not even bothering. More freedom than any other country? Okay. I am curious. How in the FRAK did you measure that??? Yardstick? Blind pride? And our prosperty came mostly from taking over a territory of untapped mineral resources a couple hundred years ago and slaughtering natives to get them.

Values? With you dishonesty seems be a key value. No thanks.

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I feel like I'm stuck in a bad version of Idiocracy. Watch a few of the interviews the Young Turks did with some of the attendees. I can only shake my head.

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Even when U.S. figure out that they're in trouble and get serious about trying to address the problem, they may still fail because a ready and affordable fix is not available. Given their remarkably fortunate history, Americans tend to think that any problem can be fixed if we just try hard enough. That was never true in the past and it isn't true today, and the real challenge remains learning how to distinguish between those situations where extra effort is likely to pay off and those where cutting one's losses makes a lot more sense.

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Why do so many people keep insisting that the Tea Party people are racists? They held their rally on MLK day. They invited Alveda King, MLK's niece, to speak. Other people related to MLK said it was a good thing. Beck called MLK an American Hero - not a black hero.

The fact they got so many people to show up is a sign that their message (lower taxes, smaller government, less federal intervention in states rights) has a broad following.

Will they succeed? good question. I would not have chosen Palin or Beck as good leaders...but they showed up.

I have trouble reconciling these two ideas: A tea party rally,(primarily white) is somehow racist. A NAACP rally, (primarily black) is somehow NOT racist. Which is it?

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Mist

After reading your post, I have nothing to say in response. I will simply say, I found nothing in your post of any redeeming quality, nor worth responding to.

I have trouble reconciling these two ideas: A tea party rally,(primarily white) is somehow racist. A NAACP rally, (primarily black) is somehow NOT racist. Which is it?

And a media which is predominantly white harps endlessly on the fact that the rally was made up of mostly whites as well.

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Molenir said: After reading your post, I have nothing to say in response. I will simply say, I found nothing in your post of any redeeming quality, nor worth responding to.

Nor did you answer any of my simple questions, like how you know the traditional values were the ones the country was founded on, whatever that means exactly? Or how you figure that America is the most free? If you just pulled those out of the hole with no sunshine, I hope you admit to yourself if you won't to us, cause I am totally sick of this chest thumping crap over a very mixed past. Take the good with the bad. Swear to do better. But please knock off the damned white washing.

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Molenir, I'm glad you like the rally and the article. It's wonderful.

Now I didn't a chance to listen to Beck yesterday or today, but this new respect that Beck feels in his heart, will it be a new Beck we listen to or the same old one that calls Obama a racist. Yeah I know, he amended his thinking. So he's not a racist anymore, Beck's got a new name I'm sure. < :-)

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Why do so many people keep insisting that the Tea Party people are racists? They held their rally on MLK day. They invited Alveda King, MLK's niece, to speak. Other people related to MLK said it was a good thing. Beck called MLK an American Hero - not a black hero.

Alveda King, as I recall, endorsed Huckabee during the Republican primaries.... She was there as a principled conservative-- and not just a token guest speaker...

I'm a bit iffy with brand Beck (does he really stand for anything-- probably none). Sara Palin, on the other hand, have proven herself irresistible to many Americans, esp. independents =/

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I'm a bit iffy with brand Beck (does he really stand for anything-- probably none). Sara Palin, on the other hand, have proven herself irresistible to many Americans, esp. independents =/

This is getting off topic, but what the heck...

I'm not a big Palin fan. Among other things she endorsed McCain in Arizona. I also don't like that she quit her job as Governor when the going got tough, though in retrospect that was probably the best choice she could have made, what with the Alaska law, and the constant attacks. Hopefully Alaska will amend the law to make it easier for a Governor to defend themselves against groundless ethical and legal complaints. Still, the point remains, she quit her job. So while I like quite a few of her positions, the fact that she quit, is a big hurdle for me. I would much rather see a principled conservative, who hasn't quit, who has a clue about finance. Mitt Romney would be good, though I dislike some of the things he did as Mass. Governor. Right now, theres only 2 decent Republicans. Both of em Governors, and neither of them interested in taking out Obama in 2012. Jindal from Louisiana, and Christie from NJ. I'd vote for Christie. I'd like to learn a bit more about Jindal before I made up my mind. Still, a dog would make a better President then Obama. Sure would be hard for anyone to be worse.

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Christie from NJ. I'd vote for Christie.

mmm... I think the 'Establishment' seems eager to push this guy to run (maybe VP?). Watch this space =/

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I admire both Beck and Palin. Roll on November - the beginning of the end for the Democrats. Palin for President in 2012!

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@MistWizard - I think yours was a great post, and Molenir simply refuses to acknowledge any point of view other than his own.

A friend and I were having a discussion about what made various countries "great", and when we went through the list of countries that were great and looked at the reasons with 20/20 hindsight they were always founded on the misery and suffering of others. In England's colonial era they made they made the Empire "great" by profiting from the sale of opium. In Spain's heyday it profited from piracy and destroying the South American indigenous population. In the Netherland's period of prosperity it was made great by slavery, destroying Portugese colonies and they even had a stock market crash very similar to the one in the U.S., except it was caused by selling tulip futures.

I would never boast that my country was "great", because it just means than in 50 or 100 years everyone will be looking back and saying, "What utter bastards!".

History is there to learn from, but so few people seem prepared to look and learn. That should be confused with trying to live in the past (like Beck and Palin want), but rather with learning from the mistakes of the past and moving forward. People like Molenir have fallen for the Hollywood image of the 1950's which only shows the ice cream parlors, good clean "American values"... and ignores gross human rights abuses of McCarthyism, the comic book burnings (yes, in those days it wasn't video games that were blamed for the evils of society, it was COMIC BOOKS!!), and the long and bitter struggle marked by violence and intolerance that Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and Rosa Parks had to endure in obtaining equal rights. Not to mention that the typical situation back then for women was barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen!

Beck and Palin are playing on the most common human trait in the world, the tendency to look backwards and focus on the good stuff while ignoring the bad. They want you to think that somehow America was a magical never-never land in the past and that all the ills of modern society can be blamed on society forgetting the values of the past, while ignoring the fact that those past values were abandoned for very good reasons... because they didn't work in a changing world.

So Molenir, if you want to head back to past with it's quaint ice cream cafes, no contraception (it's unholy), no women's rights (the bible says so), unequal treatment for anyone who isn't white (it's in the bible!), no internet or computer games (these are the new evil!), etc, then feel free, but I won't be surprised to see you driving across state lines to smuggle in condoms and computer games despite what you claim is "right".

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So Molenir, if you want to head back to past with it's quaint ice cream cafes, no contraception (it's unholy), no women's rights (the bible says so), unequal treatment for anyone who isn't white (it's in the bible!), no internet or computer games (these are the new evil!), etc, then feel free, but I won't be surprised to see you driving across state lines to smuggle in condoms and computer games despite what you claim is "right".

Yeah, nice spin, and yet total nonsense. No one is advocating repealing civil rights, or womens rights. How you get that from what they said, is a complete mystery. Its like saying you want to go fishing, so pull out the dynamite. Its such an overreaction that it becomes complete nonsense. They made the point repeatedly, that they want to encourage people to embrace the values that built the country, not the problems that had to be overcome. A large part of the problem of this country can be found with the government. As in its too large, too oppressive, and takes too much onto itself. Federalism is a mistake. Do you really have a problem with someone encouraging people to pray? Cause thats basically what Beck was doing. This was less a rally, and more a revival.

On a different note, you know despite it being a "overwhelmingly white" audience. (Phrase trademarked by the MSM) There were probably more black people at the rally then there were at Sharptons. Now that to me is both amusing and telling.

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Its like saying you want to go fishing, so pull out the dynamite. Its such an overreaction that it becomes complete nonsense. They made the point repeatedly, that they want to encourage people to embrace the values that built the country, not the problems that had to be overcome.

Whatever those "values" were, they were totally enmeshed with the other "values" that many posters have mentioned. Native Americans, for example, were one of those "problems that had to be overcome" -- and so one has to wonder what values prompted our forebears to break just about every treaty ever made with them.

The fishing example is an extremely poor one, and borders on complete nonsense. A much more apt one is the husband who regularly beats and verbally abuses his wife and then buys her lavish gifts to make up. You want to focus on the times when he's "nice." The fact that he's often abusive is something you will go to great lengths to deny.

One traditional American value I would like restored is the one where torturing prisoners was always wrong.

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Whatever those "values" were, they were totally enmeshed with the other "values" that many posters have mentioned. Native Americans, for example, were one of those "problems that had to be overcome" -- and so one has to wonder what values prompted our forebears to break just about every treaty ever made with them.

Genocide was a problem that had to be overcome? Umm, no.

One traditional American value I would like restored is the one where torturing prisoners was always wrong.

I agree with this, however was there ever a time when that was really the case? Ever?

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All the women in my workplace hate Sarah Palin. I wonder why? Hmmm, sucessful career, stud husband who is world champion racer, five children, a solid 10 on the scale of 1-10 even for women 10 yrs younger than her.. amazing how jealous women can get.

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Genocide was a problem that had to be overcome?

Native Americans were "standing in the way" of the development of the nation as seen by those who came from Europe. So when you say "values that built the country," how can you deny the fact that the country was built upon events like the Trail of Tears and Sand Creek? (Not to mention slave and child labor...)

Those events had to be based upon values that were believed in as good at the time.

however was there ever a time when that was really the case? Ever?

Was there ever a time in the United States when torturing a prisoner would find the torturer not punished by military and civilian authorities? I don't believe there's any reliable source that shows that torture was condoned from the founding right up until George W. Bush gave it the green light.

If torture was condoned -- so long as it remained hidden from ordinary Americans -- what kind of traditional value is that?

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Those events had to be based upon values that were believed in as good at the time.

Heh, Did we just switch sides here? I'm saying Genocide was wrong and immoral, you're justifying it? I understand why it happened, but I don't think anyone today would say it was ok. Nor would they want to return to the attitudes that caused it.

Was there ever a time in the United States when torturing a prisoner would find the torturer not punished by military and civilian authorities? I don't believe there's any reliable source that shows that torture was condoned from the founding right up until George W. Bush gave it the green light.

I don't know that it was condoned officially. But torture was used in Western countries well into the last century. That was official. Unofficially, if you were in jail for example, you could be tortured and no one would even think twice about it. That at least has changed. Though I get the point you're trying to make about official versus unofficial torture.

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The opening line is offensive to me - "vast, predominantly white crowd". While I'm relatively objective and somewhat ambivalent on the whole tea party thing, it does seem to me that the left/left leaning media has gone to very great pains to portray and stereotype the tea party as racist. Ironically, if a reporter were to say "a predominantly black crowd" they would be pounced upon as racist. Move along, nothing to see - no double standard here. It's as if the idea of a group of people trying to get together to share political beliefs is so offensive and scary to those that lean left that it must be labeled to show that it's evil - and why not throw out the race thing. If the left wanted to form 'the coffee party' I wouldn't think there would be need to label the group as 'predominately gay' or something equally ridiculous. It was perceived at some rally some time ago that a few said something racist, so naturally the whole tea party is now nothing short of a KKK rally, because we all know that anyone with an evil conservative viewpoint is one step away from cutting holes in the pillow cases. Give me a break.

but they still think its okay to discriminate against gays, and welcome their new whipping boy, the Muslim. In short, they learned damn near nothing from MLK.

That's your perception, based upon nothing but your hatred of conservatives. While I don't think about it much because it makes no difference, I have many gay friends and am relatively conservative. I haven't seen a 'hatred of gays' based upon political conservatism. It's more often based upon religion, and while Beck may spout it, and despite your belief in the contrary, I don't think a majority of conservatives these days are the religious types. You're thinking of the typical middle-aged white southerners perhaps, but they aren't the only ones with a more conservative slant.

As for Muslims, race,religion and sexual preference are all different animals. Extremist lesbians might get a good 'butch' haircut and wear a spiked collar, but they seldom strap explosives on their backs and indiscriminately blow up people when they feel 'wronged'.

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it does seem to me that the left/left leaning media has gone to very great pains to portray and stereotype the tea party as racist.

This is not accurate. The fact that many militia-type groups -- especially those who are virulently anti-Latino and anti-immigrant -- are drawn to the tea party, and the fact that many tea party speakers say things that resonate with these people is not -- and should not -- be lost by any reporter with more than an ounce of perception and common sense.

Ironically, if a reporter were to say "a predominantly black crowd" they would be pounced upon as racist

You are wrong. I read the descriptions of "predominantly black neighborhood/school/crowd" all the time. Nobody "pounces" on the writers.

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tigermoth - As always, an excellent post.

This is not accurate. The fact that many militia-type groups -- especially those who are virulently anti-Latino and anti-immigrant -- are drawn to the tea party, and the fact that many tea party speakers say things that resonate with these people is not -- and should not -- be lost by any reporter with more than an ounce of perception and common sense.

I could restate your point and say, The fact that eco-terrorists are drawn to Obama, "is not -- and should not -- be lost by any reporter with more than an ounce of perception and common sense."

In other words, you like them, are attempting to brand a group by those on the fringes who feel drawn to them. Your aspersion is no more correct then my own. Obama is not an eco-terrorist, neither is the Tea Party racist. If it is, then you may as well come out and claim the other as well.

More important then your insistence on imputing racism on everyone who disagrees with you politically... Why are we talking about the Tea Party in this thread? Thought it was about Beck/Palin, and traditional values. Not that it isn't fun, just wondering.

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could restate your point and say, The fact that eco-terrorists are drawn to Obama, "is not -- and should not -- be lost by any reporter with more than an ounce of perception and common sense."

The fact is that there is not a shred of evidence that "eco-terrorists" are drawn to Obama. The fact is that, the farther on the left one's politics, the more they are disenchanted with the president.

The fact is that the tea party is so far to the right of traditional conservative Republicans that Ronald Reagan wouldn't get much support from them -- Reagan who gave blanket amnesty to illegal aliens and who raised taxes over 10 times.

In other words, you like them, are attempting to brand a group by those on the fringes who feel drawn to them.

It all depends on why the ultra-right militia types -- many who have been preparing for a race/ethnic war -- are drawn to the tea party. Beck is also approved by many of the tea partiers, and there were some racist anti-Obama signs at the Beck gathering -- as there are at nearly all anti-Obama rallies.

More important then your insistence on imputing racism on everyone who disagrees with you politically...

LOL!! I disagree with a lot of people politically. Only some of them are racists.

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Beck and Palin are NOT helping the people restoring traditional American values. They're gonna keep screwing the people by twisting God's words.

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Joking, unless quitting and being stupid are traditional American values. Maybe for Southern whites but that electorate is getting smaller and smaller.

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Man too bad this Beck dude got his twit followers to leave their signs at home, can you imagine what kind of crap & idiocy we cud have seen, damn Beck is smart he clearly knows his fans are at least somewhat wacko, good tactic for hiding their true colours.

Man it must be embarassing to be a yank these days, sorry to say but more & more of you arent looking too smart these days, pretty scary in fact.....

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Through this gathering, Glenn Beck also helped to raise more than $5 million to support the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Even the fact that he does so much for U. S. military veteran's and their survivors also annoys the leftists. What a sad, pitiful bunch.

Boy Romeo, you are one huge fool. Yeh, he raised 5 million but what the foundation got was what was left after "his expenses" which was I think ONE million.

It is amazing however, how a former drug user and a current MORMON who still has beliefs that I was attribute to a active drug user is now the "MAN for AMERICA. I liked how he had scripted into his show, a black preacher calling him, "the SON of GOD." Wonder how much he had to pay for that?! If Beck ever gets elected to ANY political office, it will be just American HITLER. First the purges, then the cutting away at the constitution (which GW called a piece of trash or something to that effect,) which you right wingers probably all agree with since you are ALL for FEWER freedoms. Hard times bring radical leaders and over time the radicalism seems normal. What a hoot!

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Beck and Palin are NOT helping the people restoring traditional American values. They're gonna keep screwing the people by twisting God's words.

IT is said that when fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and with a Bible. The fascist loves to use religion for its purposes and the church/temple is more than happy to be used by the fascist. Even in Japan, all of the Buddhist priest except one I think went along with the war in WWII.

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The fact is that there is not a shred of evidence that "eco-terrorists" are drawn to Obama. The fact is that, the farther on the left one's politics, the more they are disenchanted with the president.

Thats true to a certain extent, and yet not true. He is so far to the left, that he is actually very close to these groups. Even while they are disappointed that they are not getting all the stuff they want, they acknowledge his efforts in their arena. Even if you want to claim eco-terrorists don't, there are plenty of other far left groups that you could simply fill in the blank. Groups that the President has surrounded himself with. My point therefore is valid.

The fact is that the tea party is so far to the right of traditional conservative Republicans that Ronald Reagan wouldn't get much support from them -- Reagan who gave blanket amnesty to illegal aliens and who raised taxes over 10 times.

Again you are trying to claim that the Tea Party is extremist. In reality, it is mainstream. The Tea Party is all about pushing back against massive government control. Despite you, and most of the MSM attempting to brand this as radical, most Americans feel that the government is out of control. If you think the Tea Party is radical, to put it simply, it can only mean that its because you are so far left, its at the edge of your vision. Real right wing fringe groups, have some things in common with the Tea Party. As in they think theres too much government control, but then so do some of the left wing groups who feel the same way. That is because its a commonality that most Americans hold. That the government has grown too large, and too powerful. Thats why there are people on both sides that support the Tea Party. And again, why it is, despite your wished for claims, in reality, mainstream.

IT is said that when fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and with a Bible. The fascist loves to use religion for its purposes and the church/temple is more than happy to be used by the fascist. Even in Japan, all of the Buddhist priest except one I think went along with the war in WWII.

Who says this? And why do you think it any more likely that it will come in that form, rather then through a slow erosion, as the populace becomes accustomed to more and more government control of our lives? Personally, I'm much more worried about the latter, then the former.

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Who says this? And why do you think it any more likely that it will come in that form, rather then through a slow erosion, as the populace becomes accustomed to more and more government control of our lives? Personally, I'm much more worried about the latter, then the former.

GO through history, and EVERYTIME there was a war, there was a priest blessing the war movement. Very, very few opposing it. The Baptist church even blessed the war in Iraq that left 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians dead. Besides why are you so VERY concerned about the "governmental control" over your life and not the corporate control. You know the one that forces you on one-year contracts, eroding things like minimum wage, basic health care, pensions, a clean environment, etc etc.? I am beginning to think that you are either a Moonie or a Mormon. Both are very brainwashed.

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Who says this? (In relation to dictatorship) Oh, by the way, Jefferson said this. You know, one of the founding fathers.

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He (Obama) is so far to the left, that he is actually very close to these groups.

When I read idiotic statements like this, a call to restore basic American intelligence is in order. So many Americans are so downright dumb -- and that's precisely why people like Beck and Palin can have their moments in the sun.

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"So many Americans are downright dumb - and that's precisely why people like Beck and Palin can have their moments in the sun"

Or, that's precisely why Barack Obama is president of the United States.

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that's precisely why Barack Obama is president of the United States.

In a roundabout way, that is true. Barack Obama is president precisely because of the two terms of his predecessor. A man who helped the opposition party reclaim the Congress and the White House.

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Besides why are you so VERY concerned about the "governmental control" over your life and not the corporate control. You know the one that forces you on one-year contracts, eroding things like minimum wage, basic health care, pensions, a clean environment, etc etc.? I am beginning to think that you are either a Moonie or a Mormon. Both are very brainwashed.

Talk about brainwashed. Why should I worry about corporate control? I can choose not to spend my money on their products, and with competition, that is something they have to worry about. Contrast that with the government. I can't decide not to let them have my money. And with the Federal takeover, I can't stop them from forcing me to buy their health insurance either.

In a roundabout way, that is true. Barack Obama is president precisely because of the two terms of his predecessor. A man who helped the opposition party reclaim the Congress and the White House.

Allow me to use your own words here... "When I read idiotic statements like this, a call to restore basic American intelligence is in order."

Your previous statement, is merely an attempt to dismiss the reality that Obama is so far left of the American people, that most intelligent people, now wish they'd voted for McCain instead. (Please note the recent poll in Ohio, where people were asked if they would rather have Bush then Obama.) When a President as bad as Bush, is looked back to fondly, its very telling.

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Your previous statement, is merely an attempt to dismiss the reality that Obama is so far left of the American people,

It's rather arrogant to assume you speak for the American people.

As for left or right, readers should consider Richard Nixon. Nixon called out for a national health care program, expanded government through the creation of OSHA and the EPA (to name but two), disregarded the free markets in freezing wages in the private sector, regulating airline prices, and enforcing price controls on most commodities -- notably oil -- which weren't lifted until 1979. Nearly all of those things were to the left of Obama -- and Nixon was a Republican!

This only serves to indicate how far to the right the loonies who follow people like Glenn Beck have swung. Yes, from the loony right, Obama does appear to be far away on the left horizon, but he's no more left or "socialist" than Nixon and Ike were.

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It's rather arrogant to assume you speak for the American people.

Who says I am? If I refer to polls, am I speaking for the American people? If I point out the reality, that Obama is on the far left fringe of the American people, is that speaking for them? Of course not. And it is reality. America can be consider a slightly conservative country. You have people on both extremes, but the majority of Americans would rate themselves as slightly conservative. Obama, is a far left loon. Pushing big government socialist solutions to every problem, raising taxes, and creating more and more regulations on everything and everyone. The American people (according to the polls not me) don't like that, and don't support it. Hence the reason why the Dems are looking at Armageddon in November.

And by the way, referring to Nixon, who despite being a Republican was most definitely not a conservative, does not make your case. Nixon was a big government guy too, though I would place him just to the right of Obama. But not by much.

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For the life of me I can't figure out who is "conservative" and who is not...

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If I refer to polls, am I speaking for the American people? If I point out the reality, that Obama is on the far left fringe of the American people, is that speaking for them?

If you are referring to polls, you have to explain how being on "the far left fringe" gains President Obama a 46% approval rating according to the latest Fox News poll. Until then it is arrogant to assert that he is to the far left of "the American people" unless you want to discount the sentiments of nearly half of them -- which is precisely what an arrogant person would do. Those sentiments count for a substantial piece of reality -- and your false assessment does not.

And by the way, referring to Nixon, who despite being a Republican was most definitely not a conservative

I believe that, if asked, most of the American people would regard Nixon as a conservative if the choice were between "conservative and liberal."

It is my view that the far-right wingers of today are counting that a greater percentage of the American people will completely take leave of their senses -- which is what would have to happen in order for an obviously mentally deranged person like Glenn Beck to gain greater power and influence.

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I believe that, if asked, most of the American people would regard Nixon as a conservative if the choice were between "conservative and liberal."

That is merely because most people see the R next to his name and assume. They don't know what his policies were. Once they do, as you and I do, they realize the truth.

which is what would have to happen in order for an obviously mentally deranged person like Glenn Beck to gain greater power and influence.

See, what part of this is deranged? I don't particularly like that he keeps pushing god, but at least its a non-denominational one. Theres no insanity. If you don't like his beliefs, which tend more toward libertarian btw, then say so. Don't try to belittle the man, or insult him the way you and other loons typically go after Palin. That to me is what smacks of derangement. The way you guys come unhinged whenever her name is mentioned...

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They don't know what his policies were. Once they do, as you and I do, they realize the truth.

The truth is that other Republicans at the time, a group which included Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney, gave Nixon their full support. Nixon, who declared there shall be a freeze on prices and wages! Nixon, who sought a single-payer government health-care system -- something that Obama didn't even go after!

Beck and Palin are merely indicators of how far Republicans/conservatives have gone off the deep end. What will be become "unhinged" is the entire country if one of those two bona fide nutcases ever gets into a position of power.

By the way, I can't help but note that you could not respond to the fact that nearly half of all Americans approve of President Obama (far higher than Reagan at this time in his first term) and the job he's doing. That must mean that nearly half of all Americans are on "the far left fringe." Something that any reader knows is ludicrous at best, and more likely completely deranged.

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The truth is that other Republicans at the time, a group which included Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney, gave Nixon their full support. Nixon, who declared there shall be a freeze on prices and wages! Nixon, who sought a single-payer government health-care system -- something that Obama didn't even go after!

Not sure what point you are trying to make. I mean, that was back when the Dems were the more conservative party, and the Republicans liberal. Reagan switched things around. Had Reagan been a Dem, the party situation would be completely reversed.

Beck and Palin are merely indicators of how far Republicans/conservatives have gone off the deep end. What will be become "unhinged" is the entire country if one of those two bona fide nutcases ever gets into a position of power.

Define position of power? I mean Palin you know as designs on higher office. I'm not going to vote for her, but that has more to do with what she achieved in office and how she left, then her politics, which I mostly agree with. As for Beck, the man is immensely influential. He has no intention of seeking office. If anything, he would lose power from it. People pay attention to both. Particularly Beck, who has a growing following. What he says, despite being out there, for the most part makes sense, and is why even the White House pays attention when the man speaks.

By the way, I can't help but note that you could not respond to the fact that nearly half of all Americans approve of President Obama (far higher than Reagan at this time in his first term) and the job he's doing. That must mean that nearly half of all Americans are on "the far left fringe." Something that any reader knows is ludicrous at best, and more likely completely deranged.

It is ludicrous. Saying that 42% of Americans are on the far left fringe, is out there. We both know why. Because though overall the man has the support of a large population of America, that is overall, not on issues. And people are varied. One person might consider the environment to be their top concern, others are very liberal overall, but the economy is tops. For the first, they support may Obama, despite his being incompetent, or they may not because of it. For the second, they also may support him, despite the way his incompetence in handling the recovery. (Wreckovery works better in this case I think.) But then, they also may not. And then there are all those who think the economy is the primary concern, and see how badly the Dems have mishandled it. With a failed stimulus, health care, and idiotic new regulations on every business in America. To call them bunglers and incompetents, is really a huge insult to bunglers and incompetents everywhere.

Btw, like yourself I'd like to point out, you failed to respond to my previous point. You know, about you and the loons own derangement that occurs whenever someone mentions the dreaded P word. coughPALINcough Sorry, yabits, don't lose it, hold it together man. You can do this! :)

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Don't try to belittle the man, or insult him the way you and other loons typically go after Palin. That to me is what smacks of derangement. The way you guys come unhinged whenever her name is mentioned...

Well, it is easy to become unhinged when Beck calls liberals and other people he just doesn't like as "cockroaches" and that they have to be exterminated. Very much in line with radio Rwanda. When it becomes clear, if these loons ever got elected, that they can not bring about prosperity, they will soon resort to doing whatever it takes to get rid of their enemies. Beck will probably reduce the constitution to just ten amendments and he will do it just by an "act." Ten to match the ten commandments. The American people are so dumbed down that they will just go along with it. But as he has called for the extermination of people many times before, it is easy to become unhinged. The guy is very dangerous.

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Besides Molenir, why would you want Palin, who is so stupid that she can not remember what she has to say, and writes it on her arm. Her college and educational background is a JOKE. She has her aides run up a 100,000 dollar CLOTHING bill during the McCain candidacy. She quits the governorship of Alaska so she can make more MONEY doing a gig at Fox and doing stupid book signings and speeches. Surely, surely, there must be SOMEONE smarter, you know with REAL college degrees and REAL achievement in right-wing crazyland. Isn't there? I feel sorry for you if this is really the BEST you got. I mean, it indicates that you are crazy when there are no standards.

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I mean, that was back when the Dems were the more conservative party, and the Republicans liberal. Reagan switched things around. Had Reagan been a Dem, the party situation would be completely reversed.

Wow. How many more "facts" will you invent today? So when Barry Goldwater wrote The Conscience of a Conservative, he was actually more "liberal" than LBJ, who initiated Great Society spending programs which included Medicare and Medicaid? So, in your interpretation, Cheney and Rumsfeld actually belonged to a party that thought itself more liberal than the party of Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern?

As for Beck, the man is immensely influential.

He is only influential among people so out of touch with reality that they believe in things like Republicans were more liberal than Democrats before Ronald Reagan. (In other words: the totally delusional.)

Saying that 42% of Americans are on the far left fringe, is out there. We both know why. Because though overall the man has the support of a large population of America, that is overall, not on issues.

You said this earlier: "If I refer to polls, am I speaking for the American people? If I point out the reality, that Obama is on the far left fringe of the American people, is that speaking for them?"

If the reality was that President Obama is far left fringe of the American people, you should be able to point to polls that would indicate that. You, in fact, stated that you were actually referring to polls.

The truth is that there are no polls that indicate that Barack Obama is to the far left fringe of the American people. This is just another in a series of "invented facts" so typical of the right wing.

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"cockroaches" and that they have to be exterminated.

Way to make stuff up.

Besides Molenir, why would you want Palin, who is so stupid that she can not remember what she has to say, and writes it on her arm. Her college and educational background is a JOKE. She has her aides run up a 100,000 dollar CLOTHING bill during the McCain candidacy. She quits the governorship of Alaska so she can make more MONEY doing a gig at Fox and doing stupid book signings and speeches.

Thereby proving my point that loons become unhinged when you dare to mention the P word. Gah! Run for the hills! Loon on the loose! :)

Wow. How many more "facts" will you invent today? So when Barry Goldwater wrote The Conscience of a Conservative, he was actually more "liberal" than LBJ, who initiated Great Society spending programs which included Medicare and Medicaid?

Who is making stuff up? We both know this stuff, why are you bringing it up? Goldwater was conservative. But the majority of conservatives were in the Democratic party. Reagan admired Goldwater enough, he jumped parties. But it was an uphill climb with Libs essentially dominating the party. Same thing happens even today. Just as there are conservative, Blue Dog Democrats, there are liberal Republicans. (Though frequently referred to as RINOs)

He is only influential among people so out of touch with reality that they believe in things like Republicans were more liberal than Democrats before Ronald Reagan. (In other words: the totally delusional.)

I've always wondered, is it hard to breath when you have your head buried in the sand?

If the reality was that President Obama is far left fringe of the American people, you should be able to point to polls that would indicate that. You, in fact, stated that you were actually referring to polls.

Obama is on the far left fringe. Simply look at his position on things, then ask the average voter how they feel about it. The majority of them oppose the Presidents agenda, on nearly every issue. And yes there are polls that back this up. Polls that ask people if they support socialized medicine, government takeover of industry etc, etc, etc. Only a small minority, support this. Obamas insistance on pushing this, over the will of the people is a large reason why Bamas popularity has fallen so fast, and why Beck's has grown so fast.

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Geez, Molenir,

Now first, you have to admit this is a crazy man. Even in his OWN words, he is crazy.

You also got several people on the record about Beck’s struggle with mental illness. In one of his books, he’s admitted to being a borderline schizophrenic; another is premised on his confession of multiple personality disorder. He’s also copped to having ADHD, and taking medication for it. And of course there’s this very long history of addiction. What did these folks tell you, and why do you think they were so forthcoming with this information? And what part does all of this play in his history?

Do you need to see the videos too.

Beck: I think they're gonna pass this thing. They are gonna do whatever it takes to pass this, and they're not going to go the traditional way, they are gonna go the way of snakes and cockroaches. They're gonna crawl out in the cover of darkness, and they're going to pass this, make it happen one way or another. progressivenessa is a disease. Progressives infecting America with a bloodstream disease.

He also says that we have to progress past the constitution.

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Goldwater was conservative. But the majority of conservatives were in the Democratic party. Reagan admired Goldwater enough, he jumped parties. But it was an uphill climb with Libs essentially dominating the party.

There may have been conservatives in the Democratic Party -- and there still are -- but the Democratic Party was never dominated by them. Since the time if FDR, the Democrats had always been dominated by pro-New Deal, pro-Big Labor types. (Reagan himself served in the head office of a union until he became a turncoat.)

Had the Republican Party been dominated by liberals in the 1950s, Joe McCarthy never would have gotten any traction or support. Had they been dominated by liberals in the 60s, they would have opposed the Vietnam War and come out in favor of Medicare.

I am not saying there were no liberal Rebublicans; I am saying that, in typical nearly-insane, delusional fashion, the hyperbole that less than 25% of its members being on the liberal side of issues constitutes "domination" is just that: delusional.

Those Republican liberals, in the minority of their own party as they were, were such because they supported New Deal programs and Democratic-led initiatives. What the Republican Party did was to slowly but surely purge them out in favor of an inbred form of radical conservatism. Beck and Palin are the natural culmination of that inbreeding.

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