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Biden, aiming at Trump, says he won't use military as 'prop'

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Your average white American also has no actual say. Its just that white Americans tend to believe the lie that they do. 

That depends upon the state one lives in. The initiative process allows citizens to basically shove laws down their legislatures throats that would never see the light of day otherwise. California voters are famous for this.

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So how can you say "Blacks have no say in how anything is done in the country"? They are more influential than they've ever been.

That is not true across the country. As I mentioned earlier many cities still have at large voting and at large representation for their city councils. That tens to prevent minority candidates from attaining office. Often when challenged cities fight vociferously to prevent the formation of city council districts. Palmdale California is a great example of how a city fought the courts trying to prevent the formation of council districts. Many regions of the country under represent their minorities in their legislative bodies and for the minorities who's views are not represented there is resentment. But you like many are willfully blind to this and thus the problem persists. Crushing protests will not solve this problem. it will only deepen the anger and increase the violence. i know you don't agree either but I won't stop saying it because it is the truth whites don't want to hear.

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Following Trumps acceptance speech C-Span's call in line was flooded with calls from voters who had identified as Democrat, before, but were switching parties expressly because of the Democrat response to the rioting. Many of them expressed a sense of frustration and fear and a deep disappointment with the the Democratic Party.

Yes. These people have realized that the Dem party as they knew it no longer exists.

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Way to go Biden! This is a man who knows what it means to be presidential.

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But if you think blacks and hispanics cannot see through this you are not connected to reality. They see it clearly and understand the racism behind it all, including charter schools. If you look at the demographics of LAUSD today, white kids are a lower proportion of the student population than black kids. Their actual proportion of the age 1-18 population within the district's boundaries is much greater than their proportion of the student population of LAUSD. The white kids were all taken out and put in private schools and now want vouchers to pay for their continued segragation. That folks is racism plain and simple. It has to end before anything will get better.

Back in the 1970s as a teenager, I lived in a Los Angeles suburb that was predominantly Chicano (as they called themselves back then), Blacks and some Japanese-Americans. I was one of the few White kids there.

Well....the Blacks and Latino parents didn't want their kids to be bused to White schools. They didn't want their kids to lose their ethnic heritage.

The Black and Chicano kids certainly didn't want "Honky"/"Gringo" kids in their schools either.

I'd say their attitudes are just as racist as the whites you describe.

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So how can you say "Blacks have no say in how anything is done in the country"? They are more influential than they've ever been.

Your average white American also has no actual say. Its just that white Americans tend to believe the lie that they do. Black Americans know better. Its one of the perks of being even less well off.

See, its not democracy that you get to vote for leaders but you get no vote for war, marijuana legalization, or tax rates. In a real democracy you don't sit back, holding your breath, hoping the guy you elected 2 years ago makes the right choice today. What you do is cast your vote for or against directly.

Oh, and having some black people calling themselves "representatives" in public office is pretty far from having "your say". Its not even getting "your way" if they are a minority, and they are. When you are the minority on an issue you lose every vote. Every single one.

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For too long, and I have heard this many times myself, blacks have felt like they have no say in how anything is done in the country they are born to and will live their lives in.

Well, for the past 50-60 years, we've seen more blacks working in local and state government jobs, including supervisory and managerial authoritative positions. They've even been elected as City Council representatives, Police Chiefs, Attorney Generals, Mayors, Governors and we've even elected a Black President of the United States.

So how can you say "Blacks have no say in how anything is done in the country"? They are more influential than they've ever been.

Despite the increased numbers of Black politicians and representatives in power at the city, state and federal level, why are the same problems of 50-60 years ago still persist?

"That's white man's law, I don't have to obey it" is something I have heard spoken often. 

That's the root cause for the Blacks' problems. They perceives the Law as the "white man's laws" and believe they don't have to obey it and should be immune from it.  Any attempt to prevent them from disobeying the white man's laws is OPPRESSION and POLICE BRUTALITY.

As long as they have that attitude and refuse to discipline themselves and learn to obey laws, they'll never rise above their reputation as "criminals" and "rioters", etc..

I know many good, decent law abiding Black people who respect law and order and don't like the reputation their ethnicity has. It is unfortunate for them.

Another thing: Asians (as a group) and other non-whites don't have a problem with the "white man's" laws as much as the Blacks do.  Their crime rates are much lower than Blacks. You don't see the majority of them rioting, burning, looting and vandalizing as much as the Blacks.

Why is that?

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It smacks of authoritarian leadership, there's no doubt about it. Would Biden be any better? Well, we (that is, the rest of the world - am not American) will find out soon enough.

As Biden is a centre right figure, I don't hold too much hope for the US to radically change during his stewardship. There's a lot of work to be done in healing divisions. And those divisions are so polar, infused with fear, mistrust and downright hatreds... it's a tough gig. May well be impossible.

I hope I'm wrong and that good work can be done.

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In America, you can be totally and obviously lying, but if your words are not pro-war and pro-soldier, you will lose votes. Biden just handed Trump a trump card. Biden would actually do better to just start randomly screaming that the U.S. needs to bomb Agrabah, or even Ottawa. I am not kidding.

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Biden, aiming at Trump, says he won't use military as 'prop'

And Biden and DNC are using the BLM and Antifas as their "prop." The BLM and antifas use scare tactics and threats that if you vote for Trump, there will be more "protests". We all know that those "protests" usually turn into riots, burning, looting and vandalism.

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Anyone is kidding themselves if they feign themselves into believing that biden says anything derived from his own 'thoughts'

It has been very obvious from a long time ago that he he controlled by his hard left team.

It's as simple as that.

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I think the DNC is using Biden as a prop.

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For Bass, Blacklabel and those of like mind, what conservatives simply cannot fathom is that a police crack down on protests will accomplish absolutely nothing. It completely ignores the root cause of the protests and peripheral violence.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree, people said the same about NYC and when Giuliani came in and aggressively went after crime and he went nuclear, he lowered the crime, cleaned up the city and made it a livable place with law and order so it can be done, I witnessed it firsthand. You quell the violence and unrest first and then you can debate, not the other way around, in doing so you are making excuses to the criminals and agitators and submitting and surrendering to their rules, conduct and ideology.

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In 1978 I took a job as a school bus driver to pay for college. The LAUSD was just beginning integration busing so there was a high demand for new drivers. Serendipity. I hated kids but I needed a job and hours worked with college. My white neighbors however were appalled and disparaged me for bring little N and S kids into the neighborhood. I really got an earful and was made acutely aware of the racism in the neighborhood I grew up in. Meanwhile the kids on my bus were thunderstruck by how nice and neat the west San Fernando Valley looked compared to their homes in San Fernando and Pacoima.

Very soon after busing started all kinds of these ad-hoc private schools started popping up as whites moved their kids to segregated private schools. It wasn't long before the cost started to bite on their budgets and these whites started to agitate for vouchers. The whites want everyone's hard earned tax dollars to pay them to put their kids in segregated schools. Don't give me nonsense about them being academically superior. It was all about segregation. Even the swanky private schools in Encino didn't expel the kids with bad grades or drug habits because they needed the revenue.

But if you think blacks and hispanics cannot see through this you are not connected to reality. They see it clearly and understand the racism behind it all, including charter schools. If you look at the demographics of LAUSD today, white kids are a lower proportion of the student population than black kids. Their actual proportion of the age 1-18 population within the district's boundaries is much greater than their proportion of the student population of LAUSD. The white kids were all taken out and put in private schools and now want vouchers to pay for their continued segragation. That folks is racism plain and simple. It has to end before anything will get better.

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So yes, the Dems do want this mayhem.

As do the Republicans. It is a well-known fact that the local police departments are collaborating closely with right-wing and white supremacist groups. The police know that when they cause an incident like the George Floyd or Jacob Blake cases, riots will happen. Then, right-wing groups can just come in and hunt and gun down or run over protesters under the justification that they are helping police to protect property.

Police know that they can get away with it because Trump won't say anything. Republican governors, mayors, and senators won't say anything as well. They feel that there is no right-wing extremists in America and that they are simply "nice boys".

Even the police chiefs have publicly stated that the extremists have more right being at the protests and protect property (even if its not their own) than the protesters with no guns. Conservatives argue that Antifa is a bigger problem than white supremacists. I believe that Antifa does cause a lot of property damage, but white supremacist and extremist groups are responsible for way more deaths. So it's a matter of which one thinks is more important: loss of property, or loss of life. Yet, Trump and the GOP think there is no white supremacist problem in America and will continue to ignore it.

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For Bass, Blacklabel and those of like mind, what conservatives simply cannot fathom is that a police crack down on protests will accomplish absolutely nothing. It completely ignores the root cause of the protests and peripheral violence. A police crack down will only harden the protesters and make things worse. The way to calm the protests is to stop denying the underlying racism that keeps black and hispanic families in poverty, underfunds the schools that serve their communities and police forces that kill more than twice as many blacks per million population as whites. It is institutional racism, police violence and restricted educational and economic opportunities that are themselves rooted in institutional racism that need to be discussed openly and with an open mind. For too long, and I have heard this many times myself, blacks have felt like they have no say in how anything is done in the country they are born to and will live their lives in. "That's white man's law, I don't have to obey it" is something I have heard spoken often. That is what happens when conservatives go out of their way to make it hard for blacks and other poor to vote, have at large city council districts that prevent blacks from having representation on city council because the majority whites won't vote for a black. Classic case, a fellow was running for City Council in Lancaster California was an electrical engineer for Northrop-Grumman and a reserve Senior Master Sargent in the USAF at nearby Edwards AFB. Quality guy you would say. Right? Rex Parris, the mayor of Lancaster branded him the "gang candidate" and because Lancaster has at large voting instead of individual council districts this man didn't make it on the City Council. This kind of thing happens all across the US and has been bubbling up to the boiling point for a long time. Too many whites are oblivious to the problem and default to using force. It is emphatically not the way to solve these problems.

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The RNC talked about policy? Claiming dems will ruin the country and whipping up ignorance-driven fear is a policy? If you say so.

Yes, history, all you have to do is look at your television set and if it’s not true then the polls would be tightening and the Democrats would be panicking and Trump would not be closing the gap as he is now.

Because he’s a moron that is too ignorant to understand he’s not the smartest person in the room.

And yet people love him, law enforcement does as well as creators.

That’s a weird bragging point.

An excellent brag g point.

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Then the statement that Biden said nothing about the violence in the street is accurate for the time period of 31 May until 2-3 days ago.

Which is 99% of the total time that the violence has been going on and there has been no Biden response, action or denouncement. Thanks for finally confirming what we already knew.

Nor did I claim I could.

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More nonsense. How have the military been used as a prop? Any event he won’t get the chance to use the military as anything is my Guess

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Trump fights with the doctors.

pence is not a doctor, despite what he might make you believe.

than to being infected by the socialists and Marxists that’s good.

Hate to break it to you but Covid-19 isn’t aligned politically.

And still looks rad.

That made me laugh hard, thanks!

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While the Dem candidate has been outside like twice in 4 months. projection, much?

This leader wants his followers to be safe.

While trump knows his followers are too stupid to understand what’s good for them. They’ll do anything as long he panders to their bigotry.

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A lot of mention has been made to the GOP running on platform of fear. Which more and more is looking like a winning strategy. Following Trumps acceptance speech C-Span's call in line was flooded with calls from voters who had identified as Democrat, before, but were switching parties expressly because of the Democrat response to the rioting. Many of them expressed a sense of frustration and fear and a deep disappointment with the the Democratic Party.

People are afraid, not all, but a significant amount. While the GOP has demonstrated a willingness to listen to them, give them a voice and offer a commitment to address the source of their angst. The Democrats have dismissed their fears and sided with the very forces that elicit them.

A platform of fear is far more effective when you have people who are actually afraid.

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Good example of fear. Vote GOP or you will die.

Pretty much or you can vote for Biden and watch more gun sale so through the roof and have the rest of the Country look like Somalia.

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There's really no question that Republicans are running on fear. It produces a reliable Republican voter. By November the GOP will have convinced their people that their very lives depend on voting GOP.

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Absolutely false. No leader of either party is supporting the mayhem. Why do rightists insist on this easily disprovable line?

That’s just not true, we have 3 months of this and not a single Democrat or their media left hand surrogates have vehemently spoken out on the violence and called for a crackdown and more police to quell it, not one! Biden came out a few days ago and carefully and lightly condemned it, but I still don’t hear the Dems calling for police to stop this or calling for more funding and increased police presence. So yes, the Dems do want this mayhem.

Absolutely false. You’re trying to connect the violent fringe to the mainstream Democratic Party, which is very inaccurate and dishonest.

Nope! Law enforcement is supporting and voting for Trump, they previously voted twice for Obama. None of the Democrats are happy with the Democrat leadership across the country.

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Perhaps. Who knows why Trump does anything beyond push advertisements for himself (N. Mailer). 

Or Biden duplicating screens of people cheering him accepting the Democrat nomination and having a 1,000 plus film crew production to travel across the country to make a pre-taped show.

I think he deployed US forces to play to suburban homeowners 'worried about their property values'

No, the riots are already doing that.

and to further increase fear levels in a failed attempt to show he's in the WH to protect his demographic from 'others'. An age old tactic of authoritarians.

When you look at the violence in the streets all over the country, Trump doesn’t have to do anything, the Democrats are doing it for him. Every day Democrats stay silent on the attacks and don’t forcefully call for an end, it all helps Trump.

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Dictators use military as a prop, to cover up their personal lack of courage.

Not a surprise president bone spurs does that.

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Trump would happily be a dictator and would use the military to stay in power if he could.

He can't. He might win the election, but he'll never be a dictator.

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At this point it's all fear from the GOP.

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accused President Donald Trump of employing U.S. forces to settle “personal vendettas" and violate citizens' rights.

Perhaps. Who knows why Trump does anything beyond push advertisements for himself (N. Mailer).

I think he deployed US forces to play to suburban homeowners 'worried about their property values' and to further increase fear levels in a failed attempt to show he's in the WH to protect his demographic from 'others'. An age old tactic of authoritarians.

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