Biden calls Xi as U.S.-China relationship grows more tense

No government should or contempt appeasing a murderous dictatorships, that has committed geocide, continues to pursue extreme human rights violations and abuses.

Government must except the inevitable, the Government of China must be held to account.

The could be insurmountable, the Government of China brought the whole global community to where we are today.

The bully has to be confronted. Faced down. Yes

The Government of China thrives on our own global government/political idiocracy.

The bite, the reality is we are not prepared to enforce.

I know, however we must stand by our ideology, as much as we are perceived to believe, and without quarter.

Hammer down and be done with it.

You cannot communicate with the government of China when the leadership is unwilling and is engaging in subversion.

The Chinese Government, committed its people, many children to employment practices that would be unthinkable and frankly illegal in western society.

And we all brought the products.

Speak for yourself please. I diligently read labels and do not buy products from PRC. That has been my habit for more close to two decades.

The US lecturing China on human rights is like Trump lecturing Cruz on honesty.

Ok, let's talk reality. No nation is perfect but the US puts the rights of its people in writing an government at all levels pretty much honors those rights. Unlike China the US has courts that are independent of the Executive and Legislative branches of government and judges that are quite willing to declare laws to be unconstitutional for various reasons. These same courts frequently rule against prosecutors and eliminate evidence from trials if the judge thinks the evidence was not legally obtained. Unlike China the various level of government in the US cannot just do as they please. Also unlike China Americans can be harshly critical of their government without fear of being arrested. Quit this crap of equating the US to China. There is no comparison. None. The US President has every right to tell his Chinese counterpart we are not buying products made by Uyghur prisoners in their concentration camps or to leave Taiwan alone.

another thing these guys have in common: Xi also hopes to serve as leader of his nation when he is 78 years old.

No big deal. Trump will be 78 if he wins the next presidential election. He'll be in the company of geriatric American congresspeople/ senators past the big 9-0

Whatever Biden and Xi may have in common, it is dwarfed by the fact that Biden is an elected leader with a two term limit, whereas Xi Jing Ping is a unelected leader for life.

That's something we are all going to have live with, zichi, and morally come to terms with.

The Chinese Government, committed its people, many children to employment practices that would be unthinkable and frankly illegal in western society.

And we all brought the products.

There is no appeasing Xi Jinping.

China does not pick fights they know they can't win

I am not sure Xi Jinping is all that bright. He has picked fights with Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet and more recently with Inner Mongolia. More dangerously he has picked a fight with China's top entreprenuers. In the long run I don't see Mr. Xi winning any of these fights. Young people with an entreprenueral bent will move elsewhere leaving China's economy without the innovators who built it to this point. If times are tough Mr. Xi has no shortage of internal enemies both inside and outside the party that are the result of his policies and his purging of the CCP of his internal enemies. Mr. Xi has also managed to alienate most of the nations who once had a favorable opinion of China, particularly in east Asia and Europe but also some African nations who resent Chinese domination of their economies (mining and fishing are major friction points). Xi has this habit of angering others and is incredibly insecure. He has this insatiable need to control everything and no man or no nation can do this successfully. Successful leaders develop competent subordinates and delegate authority. Successful large nations have regional authorities answerable to the people they serve. Mr. Xi does just the opposite, collecting all power in his hands and forcing regions to report to him for their direction. No initiative is allowed. Everyone has to wait for Xi to make a decision. Mark my words, he will overstep, make a serious mistake of judgement and the whole thing will blow up in his face.

There are two power trajectories in play here, each going in different directions at different speeds. At least to how we understand the dynamics of International Relations Theory.

One of them approaches a 2022 Party congress, the results of which are likely to result in the implementation of a presidential mandate without time limits, without any serious Party opposition. At least as long as the mandate is backed by very public demonstrations as to the extremes it can go to eliminate potential threats, combined with perceptions that are backed by unquestioning military power, submissive behavior on the part of other countries that borders on subservience, limitless financial resources and digital technologies that are at least parr to anyone else.

The other trejectory? Well . . .

My previous post, last para, please substitute trajectory for trejectory. Thank you!

pressing China on human rights, trade and other areas where it believes China is acting outside international norms.

Keep the pressure on China regarding human rights, but the US especially states like Florida and Texas need pressure put on them to ensure human rights for all, especially with regard to voting because Texas and Florida want to make it more difficult for people to vote.

Voting laws in Texas are the most restrictive in the country. And voter turnout here is among the lowest, too. Maybe those facts are related.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/19/texas-voting-elections/

When Biden and Xi talks the stock market smiles.

Speak for yourself please.

I am talking about the majority, I didn't specifically implied that ALL Americans buy Chinese products. but nonetheless none of us can really buy something that technically wasn't made in China, even your smartphone cables are pretty much made in China.

I diligently read labels and do not buy products from PRC. That has been my habit for more close to two decades.

Good! I do as well, we need more of that, but most Americans and especially the poor don't have a lot of choices.

The US lecturing China on human rights is like Trump lecturing Cruz on honesty.

The lecturer may be absolutely sure that they are totally innocent on the matter, but only because they are in denial so severe that it should be laughable, if it weren't for the faithful chorus of believers.

Ok, let's talk reality. No nation is perfect but the US puts the rights of its people in writing an government at all levels pretty much honors those rights. Unlike China the US has courts that are independent of the Executive and Legislative branches of government and judges that are quite willing to declare laws to be unconstitutional for various reasons. These same courts frequently rule against prosecutors and eliminate evidence from trials if the judge thinks the evidence was not legally obtained. Unlike China the various level of government in the US cannot just do as they please. Also unlike China Americans can be harshly critical of their government without fear of being arrested. Quit this crap of equating the US to China. There is no comparison. None. The US President has every right to tell his Chinese counterpart we are not buying products made by Uyghur prisoners in their concentration camps or to leave Taiwan alone.

True.

Desert Tortoise, there is few products one can purchase that have not been manufactured in China.

That is very difficult to escape from.

Every manufacturing sector.

I managed to buy a Sony Vaio laptop, manufactured in Japan.

Only when upgrade it, to find most of the components fabricated. in China.

Wonders how much pressure it takes for China to go to war? Every nation has a breaking point. Sanctions never are effective.

Keep the pressure on China regarding human rights,

As if they would even contemplate listening to Biden.

but the US especially states like Florida and Texas need pressure put on them to ensure human rights for all,

That is exactly why their governors are so popular.

especially with regard to voting because Texas and Florida want to make it more difficult for people to vote.

No, it's actually a lot easier to vote, even by mail as long as you can provide formal identification.

Whatever Biden and Xi may have in common, it is dwarfed by the fact that Biden is an elected leader with a two term limit, whereas Xi Jing Ping is a unelected leader for life.

That is absolutely correct and the US should adopt a strong and extreme position with China, and because the US has term limits and the Chinese don't and each incoming President from either side of the political fence has their own way of dealing with China, the strategy doesn't work because it is not a unified one. we buy their products, but at the same time in agriculture and technology there is a lot that we can hit China with since we are the biggest buyers of Chinese junk essentially and as long as the US economy stays healthy and people are not at home collecting a welfare of work benefits China will be ok, the less people work and the less people put money back into the economy, you will slow the Chinese economy down as well, there is a lot of leverage here, but it takes a leader to remain consistent with each new entering President to maintain the same tough policies as the last, it has to be from a position of strength and never weakness or falter. The Chinese know that they are equally dependent on the US as we are of them.

Xi Jinping listens to all the waffle and then carries on with his horrendous policies regardless.......

Climate change - not bothered, just carry on building dozens of new coal-fired power-stations.

Human rights - not interested, and stop interfering in CCP internal affairs.

Expansionist moves in East China Sea - couldn't care less what anyone says or does, carry on regardless.

Chinavirus, China's Gift to The World - just live with it, s**t happens.

United Nations - don't worry about them, they just look the other way.

So what can be done to curtail the pernicious activities of The World's Great Dictator ? You would imagine that there are thousands of top international law-firms who could instigate proceedings globally, starting with an International Arrest Warrant for genocide - 4.6 million dead so far worldwide from Chinavirus, 425,000,000 people infected. And maybe the Governments of the free world could apply pressure on the UN on a daily basis to harangue them into taking some sort of direct action against China. There is going to have to be seismic shifts in the approaches taken in dealing with China, before they totally destroy life on this planet as we know it.

Shame is, I don't think Sleepy Joe's the guy to take any of this on.

@YuriOtani Wonders how much pressure it takes for China to go to war? Every nation has a breaking point. Sanctions never are effective. China does not pick fights they know they can't win.

"Hello, is that Mr. Xi?"

"Yes, who is this?"

"It's Joe, I wanna talk about the thing"

"The thing? What thing?

"C'mon, maaan, the thing, y'know, the thing!"

another thing these guys have in common: Xi also hopes to serve as leader of his nation when he is 78 years old.

Boris Johnson would do a better job as President of the United States than Biden is doing at present....

Biden does not think things through properly, he sees perhaps just as far as the end of his nose and no more.