No debt ceiling agreement in White House meeting, though Biden and McCarthy call talks productive

If he optimistic,why is the hell is their no deal

Biden and McConnell already have a deal done - McConnell admitted it several months ago when he said "there will be no debt default"...

All of this now is just theater - Biden cutting Kevin some slack - so he can go back to his Kook Caucus and offer up some proof that he "held firm"...

But that will hardly satisfy the far-right bomb throwers - they want a default - they're all for cratering the US economy...a goal they share with Putin, Xi, and The Mullahs...

However it turns out, Kevin is done, finito, finished...after the deal, MTG, Gosar, Boebert, and Gaetz will be out for blood...his blood...

The GOP additionally introduced new cuts to food aid by restricting states’ ability to waive work requirements in places with high joblessness.

Those humanitarians in the GOP, austerity to pay for corporate tax cuts is so 80's, but continues with the GOP dinosaurs.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/10/16/the-middle-class-needs-a-tax-cut-trump-didnt-give-it-to-them/

Debate about the Trump tax cuts aside, facts are facts and only the bete noires of MAGA , Bill and Hilary, balanced the budget and left a surplus, cut taxes for the rich and spend Republicans all ballooned the debt.

Those humanitarians in the GOP, austerity to pay for corporate tax cuts is so 80's, but continues with the GOP dinosaurs.

But you want spending to continue without restrictions, why?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2018/10/16/the-middle-class-needs-a-tax-cut-trump-didnt-give-it-to-them/

He started and then Covid hit.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/congress-approves-484b-economic-relief-package-small-business/story?id=70312973

Debate about the Trump tax cuts aside, facts are facts and only the bete noires of MAGA , Bill and Hilary, balanced the budget and left a surplus, cut taxes for the rich and spend Republicans all ballooned the debt.

Well, we also had a different economy in those days it was very different from we didn’t have radical progressives that pushed spending on senseless entitlements, 1994 we had less illegals and two genders than now 2023 where the US is topsy turvey. And to your point, Dems were a totally different party, whacked policies, but fiscally a “bit” more disciplined bunch. That’s all out there window today with this admin.

Trump shut the country down for the longest period ever. 35 days in 2018-2019, costing $5 billion.

Republicans spend more than Democrats. Budget deficits under Republican Presidents have been $4 trillion more than under Democratic Presidents.

http://presidentialdata.org/

The real issue is getting a deal that will get 218. Kevin doesn’t have the votes for any deal other than his opening gambit right now and that’s not going to pass.

There is now a majority of the GQP House that is both too stupid and insane to realize the economic damage to the economy including their constituents AND the political damage they will suffer as a result of a default.

1994 we had less illegals and two genders than now 2023 where the US is topsy turvey.

Diversity, gender reassignment, pronouns, that is why we have a deficit. You heard it here.

This is unintentional MAGA comedy at its finest.

Sadly, it is not too different from the arguments put forward by the elected representatives to Congress.

The American political/legislative system needs a radical overhaul.

“Republicans should not make a deal on the debt ceiling unless they get everything they want (Including the ‘kitchen sink’).- Trump.

They're a death cult now- follow the orange sex predator into the destruction of the US economy.

we didn’t have radical progressives that pushed spending on senseless entitlements

What entitlements have started since the Clinton years, and how much do they cost?

we had less illegals and two genders than now 2023 where the US is topsy turvey.

How does this relate to raising the debt ceiling?

Is gender fluidity leading to out of control leftist spending?

They're a death cult now- follow the orange sex predator into the destruction of the US economy.

The GOP's Götterdämmerung

Diversity, gender reassignment, pronouns, that is why we have a deficit. You heard it here.

What?

This is unintentional MAGA comedy at its finest.

That statement in itself is funny.

Sadly, it is not too different from the arguments put forward by the elected representatives to Congress.

More like the WH

The American political/legislative system needs a radical overhaul.

I wouldn’t entirely disagree with that.

What entitlements have started since the Clinton years, and how much do they cost?

I said, we didn’t have them, not like today.

How does this relate to raising the debt ceiling?

Everything, I mean, you guys love to use past historical context to make a point, I’m only doing the same. Hate the game not the player.

Is gender fluidity leading to out of control leftist spending?

Some aspects.

Those humanitarians in the GOP, austerity to pay for corporate tax cuts is so 80's, but continues with the GOP dinosaurs.

But you want spending to continue without restrictions,

So did you - "In 2017, 2018, and 2019 during the Trump administration, the debt limit was reset at $20.5 trillion, $22 trillion and $28.4 trillion, respectively. NONE of these bills, when signed into law, contained a precondition to cut spending. McCarthy voted FOR each of these bills."

why?

Good question - why did you and these Repubs support a bill with NO RESTRICTIONS in 2017, 18, and 19, then with ADD $7.8 TRILLION to the debt. Now you're flipping and demanding restrictions? Sure sounds hypocritical...

Trump 2019: “That’s a very, very sacred thing in our country, debt ceiling. We can never play with it." “I can’t imagine anybody ever even thinking of using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge,” 

Trump 2023: “I say to the Republicans out there – congressmen, senators – if they don't give you massive cuts, you're going to have to do a default, and I don't believe they're going to do a default because I think the Democrats will absolutely cave, will absolutely cave because you don't want to have that happen.

So MAGA-faithful, which Trump is lying?

Kevin McCarthy: We refuse to cut defense spending, but cutting school lunches for poor children is a great idea!

Are you kidding?!

—What entitlements have started since the Clinton years, and how much do they cost?

I said, we didn’t have them, not like today.

Like what? You’re evading the question.

Reducing government spending is never a bad thing. It is actually shocking that Congress can pass spending bills without also determining where the money will come from. I would say that congress spends money like a drunken sailor, but that is an insult to drunken sailors. At least the sailor is spending his OWN money, not somebody elses.

If you want to see waste, look no farther than the thousands of hotel rooms being used in places like NYC to house illegal immigrants. At least $300 per day per room for people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place- nearly half of all rooms in NYC! And jack squat for citizens in trouble.

Reducing government spending is never a bad thing. 

It is a bad thing when there's a recession. Austerity was abandoned in the UK after the Conservative administration learned the hard way about its devastating effects on an economy in a downturn.

Kevin McCarthy: We refuse to cut defense spending, but cutting school lunches for poor children is a great idea!

Republican circus...

If you want to see waste, look no farther than the thousands of hotel rooms being used in places like NYC to house illegal immigrants. At least $300 per day per room for people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place- nearly half of all rooms in NYC! And jack squat for citizens in trouble.

How did they get there?

Reducing government spending is never a bad thing.

Actually when your nation is under investing in defense, education and infrastructure, cutting spending is a very bad idea.

the amount of money that the US government is taking in from its citizens has never been higher.

Its simply the priorities in spending that are the problem.

1 trillion added to the debt in 7 months by the Biden administration and 100s of millions or a billion to Ukraine almost every Friday and also after every world meeting doesnt help.

That he is going to have multiple felony convictions in the future is just the icing on the cake.

25% of all debt was accumulated during your guy’s tenure and you never said a peep.

AND, debt repayment and future budget outlays are two separate issues, but this is clearly way too nuanced an issue for the rubes.

nope. Its Joe's issue to succeed or fail.

He is completely and totally responsible for this and will be held accountable by the voters if he fails.

Its election season, ya know?

Look forward to Joe folding, he already knows he has to he is just too stubborn to go ahead and do it now so that everyone can move to something else.

The GOP raised the debt ceiling multiple times under Trump and other GOP presidents without protest.

That's all you really need to know to see what's really going on here.

If you want to see waste, look no farther than the thousands of hotel rooms being used in places like NYC to house illegal immigrants.

I will look farther "Attila", and this is the typical "welfare queen" argument used since Reagan who ballooned the deficit.

https://www.aei.org/articles/trumps-corporate-welfare-problem/

From a Freidmanesque, libertarian source if you need any further prrof.

Y'all have no arguments, like the Republicans .

No Republican dagon. Just a simple man who sees waste that should not occur. Three million dollars a day, in one city, to house and feed people who should not be there.

The deficit under Biden is still massive. How about trimming the 150 billion dollars being sent to fight a European conflict? That is twice the entire Russian defense budget for a year yet somehow is not enough to get the fighting to stop. The CBO is predicting 2 trillion dollar deficits for the next decade. Time to stop the insanity.

The GOP raised the debt ceiling multiple times under Trump and other GOP presidents without protest.

Exactly-

3 times under Trump

7 times under G.W. Bush

18 times under Reagan

Now they're refusing to pay for the tax cuts they gave their ultra rich mates, so they can cut health care for veterans.

*Foreign wars

*College

*Childcare

*Healthcare

*Drugs

*Alternate Energy

*Debt

*Raises

*Subsidies

*Benefits

*Sick Days

*Pre-K

*Doubling the EIC

*Family Leave

*Certain Lending

*Abortions

*Foreign Aid

*Mental Health Counseling

*Agriculture

*Reparations

*Geopolitical Military Engagements

*Infrastructure

*Art

*Housing

*Increases To Current Entitlement Programs

*Money For Everyone

Do Dems care where the money comes from? No, it’s not their money.

We found out under Trump that many who call themselves fiscally conservative actually have no problem with spending like drunken sailors provided it is spent on things they like.

That’s okay but just don’t call yourself fiscally conservative.

We found out under Trump that many who call themselves fiscally conservative actually have no problem with spending like drunken sailors provided it is spent on things they like.

When it comes to the military being top notch, yes, that’s money well spent, I sleep better with a modified built up military

That’s okay but just don’t call yourself fiscally conservative.

I can, because it’s for the people that keep our country safe as well as other nations, yours as well and with a growing China and Russia threat on that issue alone no amount of money can pay for freedom and stability.

Latest news sounds like Biden and the Speaker are getting closer to an agreement:

"I just concluded a productive meeting with Speaker McCarthy about the need to prevent default and avoid a catastrophe for our economy," he said. "We reiterated once again that default is off the table and the only way to move forward is in good faith toward a bipartisan agreement."

and

"We both agree that we need to change trajectory -- that our debt is too large," McCarthy told reporters in the Oval Office. "I think at the end of the day, we could find common ground, make our economy stronger, take care of this debt but, more importantly, get this government moving again to [curb] inflation."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-mccarthy-talk-debt-ceiling-10-days-left/story?id=99506699

We found out under Trump that many who call themselves fiscally conservative actually have no problem with spending like drunken sailors provided it is spent on things they like.

When it comes to the military being top notch, yes, that’s money well spent, I sleep better with a modified built up military

That’s the point I made.

That’s okay but just don’t call yourself fiscally conservative.

I can, because it’s for the people that keep our country safe as well as other nations

No. You are simply giving one example of when you regard it as okay to spend like a drunken sailor.

Trump’s out of control spending wasn’t limited to military spending.

Okay, the military is one. Any other areas where you see out of control spending as justified?

No Republican dagon. Just a simple man who sees waste that should not occur. Three million dollars a day, in one city, to house and feed people who should not be there.

No problem with the much more massive corporate welfare then,

From a corporate , rightist source for your enjoyment.

https://www.hoover.org/research/welfare-well-how-business-subsidies-fleece-taxpayers

Dagon; I have no problem with corporations paying taxes, banning huge lobby groups like Big Pharma and the like from polluting the halls of power, etc. But there is nothing wrong with picking the low hanging fruit first.

No. You are simply giving one example of when you regard it as okay to spend like a drunken sailor. 

Nope, wrong again, as with most Dems, Obama and Biden never cared about building up the US military, that’s a fact. No we have to play catch up to our biggest military adversary with the lasted advanced weaponry.

Trump’s out of control spending wasn’t limited to military spending. 

No, but he also cares about small businesses which are now closing in massive numbers under this guy.

Okay, the military is one. Any other areas where you see out of control spending as justified?

Not on huge entitlements that I previously outlined

*Money For Everyone

Cut and paste listicles by the alt-right are kind of illuminating. .

How do they relate to the budget? Only in a very orthogonal way. Americans working on non-living wages are not getting all this free money.

The takeaway from the GOP proposals is: Money for working people bad; corporate welfare good.

Okay, the military is one. Any other areas where you see out of control spending as justified?

Not on huge entitlements that I previously outlined

Not a good faith answer. If people ask what your favourite drink is, you shouldn’t answer ‘not coffee’

You are obviously aware of how Trump spent like a drunken sailor while trumpeting the best economy in history.

What areas of this spending did you regard as justified? The military is one. What are the others?

Look, the fiscally conservative argument has gone, it’s just a question of where you spend it now.

*Foreign wars

That's not entitlement spending, and neither is about half of your list (wherever you got that from).

You claimed that after Clinton, Democrats increased entitlement spending. Tell me which entitlements are recent, and how much they cost.

huge entitlements that I previously outlined

You outlined nothing.

Wanna cut Social Security and Medicare?

Not a good faith answer.

It is, but you’re not American so why would you care either way?

You are obviously aware of how Trump spent like a drunken sailor while trumpeting the best economy in history.

We went through that already, no need to repeat yourself, not going to change your weak argument

What areas of this spending did you regard as justified? The military is one. What are the others?

Scroll up.

Look, the fiscally conservative argument has gone,

Yes, because the Dems have no room for any arguments and people abroad as well.

it’s just a question of where you spend it now.

More robbing Paul to give to Peter?

That's not entitlement spending,

Yes, it is

You claimed that after Clinton, Democrats increased entitlement spending. Tell me which entitlements are recent, and how much they cost.

I wasn’t talking about during the Clinton era, Plastic, just relax. Even you lose, no need to panic.

You outlined nothing.

I did,

why you think Kevin has the gavel???

Wanna cut Social Security and Medicare?

Another Biden regurgitated talking points drivel.

Obama and Biden never cared about building up the US military, that’s a fact. No we have to play catch up to our biggest military adversary with the lasted advanced weaponry.

If you check the facts, you'll find that your claim is utter baloney.

In the past quarter century, US defense spending was highest under Obama. And it's higher now than it was under Trump.

Cut and paste listicles by the alt-right are kind of illuminating. .

So what do you call reparations?

Money for everyone….free money.

Again, the Dems could care less where the money comes from it’s not their money.

What areas of this spending did you regard as justified? The military is one. What are the others?

Scroll up

I did.

Just provide a list of things you regard as deserving of spending like your list of undeserving things.

Then we can have a good faith discussion about it.

If any fiscal conservatives join the discussion, we could also discuss that principle.

If you check the facts, you'll find that your claim is utter baloney.

I think it’s the other way around.

In the past quarter century, US defense spending was highest under Obama.

And why is it that pilots still have to salvage parts for many of our jets and helicopters?

And it's higher now than it was under Trump.

And nothing new to add, so where did the money go? More woke training?

Nope, wrong again, as with most Dems, Obama and Biden never cared about building up the US military, that’s a fact. No we have to play catch up to our biggest military adversary with the lasted advanced weaponry.

How does that explain Biden's increase in the Defense Budget above Trump's level? Don't let facts get in your way.

I did. 

I don’t think so.

Just provide a list of things you regard as deserving of spending like your list of undeserving things. 

Scroll up. Follow what I said

Then we can have a good faith discussion about it. 

We are having that now.

If any fiscal conservatives join the discussion, we could also discuss that principle

sure.

*Foreign wars

--That's not entitlement spending,

Yes, it is

Nope. Saying so doesn't make it so.

--You claimed that after Clinton, Democrats increased entitlement spending. Tell me which entitlements are recent, and how much they cost.

I wasn’t talking about during the Clinton era, Plastic, just relax. Even you lose, no need to panic.

No need to lie. Your words regarding our so-called profligate spending on entitlements since the Clinton era:

we also had a different economy in those days it was very different from we didn’t have radical progressives that pushed spending on senseless entitlements, 

Scroll up.

Right.

So what do you call reparations?

Who is receiving reparations?

--In the past quarter century, US defense spending was highest under Obama.

And why is it that pilots still have to salvage parts for many of our jets and helicopters?

I don't know. Maybe because the military was utterly decimated by Trump's anaemic support for our pilots.

--And it's higher now than it was under Trump.

And nothing new to add, so where did the money go? More woke training?

I suggest you take a breather now before you embarrass yourself further.

bass4funk

And why is it that pilots still have to salvage parts for many of our jets and helicopters?

I guess you don't really know but pilots only fly planes. It's aircraft engineers and technicians who repair them.

You'll find that your claim is utter baloney.