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© Copyright 2022 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Biden vows abortion legislation as top priority next year
By SEUNG MIN KIM WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
54 Comments
plasticmonkey
I agree with Biden, but I’m afraid it will galvanize the evangelical right more than it will progressive voters. The problem in America is that popular positions are not backed by sufficient legislative power. That’s both because of structural disadvantages to Democrats (exploited by the GOP) and because Democrats are a more diverse constituency and are more difficult to motivate to vote.
Vote, people!
Blacklabel
Spoiler alert: they wont.
the temporary “outrage” over this issue has faded as most women realize they are much more likely to buy gas or groceries or be a victim of crime than they are to need an abortion.
bass4funk
Yes.
The problem in America is that popular positions are not backed by sufficient legislative power.
Yup.
Yes.
The Dems are actually hemorrhaging minorities and are losing some of their most important constituency.
painkiller
President Joe Biden promised Tuesday that the first bill he sends to Capitol Hill next year will be one that writes abortion protections into law — if Democrats control enough seats in Congress to pass it — as he sought to energize his party’s voters just three weeks ahead of the November midterms.
Like promising to take your kids to Disney if it snows in July in LA.
wallace
Women's healthcare rights should not be aborted. More than 60% of Americans support a woman's right to choose.
"Many factors influence or necessitate a woman’s decision to have an abortion. They include, but are not limited to, contraceptive failure, barriers to contraceptive use and access, rape, incest, intimate partner violence, fetal anomalies, illness during pregnancy, and exposure to teratogenic medications."
Where abortion is illegal or highly restricted, women resort to unsafe means to end unwanted pregnancies.
Many consider terminations a human right.
Only five states this November will have abortion on the ballot. California, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, and Vermont.
Fourteen states have abortion bans. Eight states blocked an abortion ban. In twenty-one states and DC, abortions are legal.
Bob Fosse
Or believing 45 will be 47.
Blacklabel
well, abortion is in 12th place of what voters care about and even in the liberal NY Times polling, Republicans are leading the generic ballot now.
As one voter said-
“That doesn’t really have a lot to do with my decision,” one voter, who opposed the overturn of Roe but nevertheless may vote Republican this fall, told the Times. “I’m more worried about other things.”
Cards fan
Well that settles it. One voter says so, so it must be true for everyone.
painkiller
In Georgia, abortion is banned at the detection of cardiac activity -- generally around six weeks and before women often know they’re pregnant.
Glad someone informs them.
That's a human life. Preserve it.
bass4funk
It’s not. Each state can decide how they want to handle this issue.
Depending on what you read, it’s about roughly 50/50 Americans also believe there should be limitations to abortion procedures.
The majority of women that feel the need to have an abortion can travel to states that provide them, that’s the great thing about our nation, the ability to freely travel.
Many consider preserving unborn rights and protecting the rights of the helpless.
wallace
Fourteen states have banned a woman's right to choose. They removed the decision from the woman and her doctor. They aborted her healthcare rights. What's more, there were no ballots in those states.
There have always been time limits for terminations.
A woman should not have to travel out of state for the healthcare she requires. Hundreds of thousands of women cannot travel out-of-state because they are too poor, have to take care of children or parents, working.
Americans can only travel freely if they have the income to do so.
38 million Americans live below the poverty level.
An estimated 112 million (44%) American adults are struggling to pay for healthcare, and more than double that number (93%) feel that what they do pay is not worth the cost.
bass4funk
Go to a different state.
Not entirely that is the reason why there has been so much push to stop late term abortion.
Well, if you live in a state that supports life, then if you want to have an abortion, you need to go to a state that supports it.
If they are so bent on getting an abortion, California and some states will pay subsidized by the local taxpayer for your trip and they support unlimited, so there is always a solution to those that want to kill babies.
wallace
bass4funk
I have already answered that.
14 states have banned terminations.
Texas banned it even for cases of rape and incest. Texas has the highest rape rate of any state.
Tens of millions of women cannot travel out of state.
Bob Fosse
Late term abortions are exceedingly rare, some statistics place them at less than 1% of all abortions conducted in the US.
Far more abortions are conducted for victims of rape, incest or for the safety of the mother. Which you have several times given your support for.
Cards fan
No, the push to stop late term abortions has been spurred on by anti-choice advocates, because it invokes an emotional response. Does anyone believe that a woman chooses to carry a fetus around for 20-30 weeks just so they can kill it? Give me a break, no one does that. Late term abortions are almost definitionally medically necessary.
These states don't support "life" though, they support "birth," which is why once the baby is born they're on their own. You'll notice how none of the "pro-life" states have moved to make healthcare for women and children free, or at the very least, more affordable.
bass4funk
Same here
And you can get an abortion to any state you want. They offer free travel services to those women that can’t afford it.
Texas 13,509
California 13,449
Not that much of a difference, so both states have high number of rapes.
Not a problem.
Plaskow is part of the Haven Coalition, an all-volunteer group of dozens of New York City women who offer shelter to women who travel from places where it is difficult, if not virtually impossible, to get a safe and legal abortion. As restrictions on abortion increase across the U.S. (at least nine states have passed restrictive abortion laws this year intended to provoke a Supreme Court showdown over Roe v. Wade), the places where it remains legal to receive safe care — and to receive such care later in a pregnancy — have emerged as hotspots for women desperate to be seen by a provider who will perform the procedure.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/abortion-underground-groups-quietly-help-women-who-have-travel-access-n1048126
bass4funk
Yes.
States that Allow Late-term Abortions
A late-term abortion, also called a late-termination of pregnancy, refers to the termination of pregnancy by induced abortion during a late stage of gestation. “Late” is not precisely defined and medical publications have stated different thresholds, typically ranging from 20 to 28 weeks or around the fetus reaches viability.
Currently, 43 states prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy. Several states, such as California, Arizona, and New York, use fetus viability as the cutoff, while some other states use the third trimester (around 28 weeks). Other states use a specified number of weeks post-fertilization, after a women’s last menstrual cycle, or after gestation. These weeks range anywhere from six to 20 weeks.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/what-states-allow-late-term-abortion
Cards fan
None of the following paragraphs do anything to support that statement. Cool.
Cards fan
lol How so?
wallace
bass4funk
Texas has the highest rape rate of all states You conveniently left out the population sizes.
Texas 29 million. California 40 million.
Bingo!
bass4funk
I explained it already, please scroll up.
wallace
bass4funk
78% of abortions were performed at 9 weeks or less gestation, and 92% of abortions were performed at 13 weeks or less gestation. Almost 25% of women will have had an abortion by age 45, with 20% of 30-year-olds have had one.
In 2019, unmarried women accounted for 86% of all abortions (CDC).
Only 1.5% of terminations happen after 21 weeks and always because the health of the mother is in danger.
Cards fan
No. You posted a link that gave more information about the number of states limiting late term abortion procedures, but nothing you posted in any refutes the fact that almost all late term abortions are medically necessary, and that women don't carry fetuses around for 20+ weeks unless they intend on giving birth.
bass4funk
Actually more
https://abc7news.com/noncitizen-voting-san-francisco-recall-election-rights-jose/11556464/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/us/california-census-deadline-immigrants.html
And since they're not counted, well there you go, and we see why they do it.
Bingo!
bass4funk
And if you want to believe that you can, I don't, absolutely not, especially when it is late term, there are exceptions no doubt, but each of these is medically necessary? Sorry, no one believes that. Again, you can believe that, I don't.
https://lozierinstitute.org/six-states-and-their-radical-approaches-to-abortion-law/
Again, you believe what you like and so will I.
wallace
bas4funk
what are you deflecting about? California's population is higher than Texas's.
It has nothing to do with anything except the number of people living there. 40 million people committed 14,000 rapes compared with Texas's 29 million committing 14,000 rapes. In Texas, there are 1.5 million undocumented.
Whichever way you try to deflect California has the largest pop of all states.
theFu
In Georgia, early voting already started with about 10x the number number of people voting in these mid-term elections. Overturning Roe has gotten people out to vote. The early polls are saying most are still leaning for the GOP.
I have 3 main issues.
Don't vote for liars
Don't vote for anyone involved in making legal voting harder
Don't vote for anyone who has shortened the time a woman can choose whether to give birth or not.Lots of other issues, but those three are, by far, the most important to me and the others can be addressed once all the liars are removed from office.
I don't understand why any American wouldn't agree on those issues. We are independent and don't like the govt telling us what we can and cannot do, especially with our bodies. We want anyone legally allowed to vote to be able to vote as easily as possible and I can't imagine why anyone would want a liar in any public office. The so called "Christians" seem confused about a few commandments. Lying about someone else is directly against a Christian commandment.
Cards fan
On what basis is that belief founded on? That would information would help further a discussion. Personally, after watching my wife give birth to our two kids, and seeing how hard it is on a woman's body, I don't believe many women would choose to carry around a fetus for 6+ months. It's just nonsense, and Wallace's post supports that claim. Indeed only 1.5% of abortions are carried out late in pregnancy.
thaonephil
@bass4funk
So your argument is valid because you want to believe it is true?
bass4funk
Wait, I have to accept your argument?? Yeah, no, I don't think so.
painkiller
Biden vows abortion legislation as top priority next year
The writing is in the wall.
Biden recognizes he is a lame duck president.
More Americans care about rising prices, a weakening economy, rising crime, rising illegal immigration.
The abortion issue has the easiest solution---curtail irresponsible behavior. This is something women have control over. They have the right and control over their bodies to not end up with unwanted pregnancies.
thaonephilToday 11:33 am JST
And if you want to believe that you can, I don't, absolutely not
No, it is valid because it is based on facts. Whether or not one believes in facts does nothing to change that the fact is a fact.
bass4funk
Not my style.
Yes, but since most illegals are excluded from the census in the US and the fact that so many are migrating there, we have no idea as to how many or when there is a murder or rape, or physical assault when these people are not even counted.
No, it has everything to do with the number of people especially if you do not have an accurate count, you are inflating the numbers to push a political and social agenda.
I disagree, especially since millions are excluded from the census, not buying it for one second.
bass4funk
I disagree, I have kids as well and I equally know, but I also know the other dark side. My sister works in child services and I was blown away by hearing her stories of how she has seen women that did have a late-term abortion, so there are without a doubt women that will go and proceed with aborting the child up until birth.
Ok, I feel the same about your position and....Wallace
Allegedly is that claim
wallace
In the US every year more than 150,000 women are raped. Only 1-2 out of 10 report them.
18 million American women experience rape in their lifetime.
A doctor’s account of a 10-year-old Ohio girl who traveled to Indiana for an abortion in June was confirmed when a man who confessed to raping her was arrested Tuesday and charged with a felony.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/07/14/roe-ruling-rape-pregnancy-young-teens-girls-health-risks/10049856002/
painkiller
wallaceToday 11:44 am JST
If only 1-2 out of 10 report rape, how would you know 150,000 women are raped in the US each year?
wallace
Similar to previous years, in 2019, women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions (56.9%). The majority of abortions in 2019 took place early in gestation: 92.7% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (6.2%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (
wallace
bass4funk
If the illegals were included in the pop of California it would increase the numbers but the rape cases remain at 14,000 cases.
You have a weird understanding of numbers.
wallace
painkiller
from reported crime data. 150,000 rapes every year but the authorities believe it only represents 20% of all cases. So probably there are 750,000 rapes every year.
bass4funk
But since they are not, we cannot definitively say which state has higher rape cases.
Not me, I think you do.
Cards fan
Any proof the claim is not accurate, or is that just based on your feelings?
Bob Fosse
Whaa?
painkiller
wallaceToday 11:56 am JST
Ok, so the 600,000 believed to be unreported is just a guess.
Regardless, it is a horrible crime.
Out of the 150,000 confirmed, how many result in unwanted pregnancies?
This issue at hand is centered on abortion, not criminal acts that do not result in pregnancy.
Bob Fosse
Ok. So here’s the thing.
No one here believes what you post. And most importantly, listen now because this is the key point, nobody thinks that you believe what you post.
So, really other than being contrary and stirring the pot for attention, what’s the point?
Algernon LaCroix
Interesting how the people who scream about the right to choose to kill and unborn child are usually the same ones who are perfectly happy to force someone to take an experimental (that is of dubious safety and effectiveness) medical treatment against against their will.
How does someone hold such contradictory opinions in their head at the same time?
wallace
painkiller
the authorities and groups involved in crime and rape estimate the figure to be accurate. In your country, 740,000 women are raped every year.
According to the Texas Abbot who banned abortions, he promised to end the crime of rape there. The state with the highest rape rate. No exceptions for rape or incest.
painkiller
wallaceToday 12:11 pm JST
Out of that estimate and the 150,000 reported rapes, how many end up in unwanted pregnancies?
cleo
I wonder the same about the folk who scream ‘My body, my choice!” when they’re asked to wear a mask/ get vaccinated to help curb the spread of a potentially fatal disease, but then turn round and insist a woman has no right to make decisions about her own body.
bass4funk
I did already.
But they believe yours??
And most importantly, listen now because this is the key point, nobody thinks that you believe what you post.
Right back at you.
JTC
When it comes to these Abortion Laws, the US Republicans are clearly going to loose.
They should have stuck to not making Abortion a US Government funded activity - plain and simple. If you want an Abortion, you pay for it, but it's at your own expense and conscience, and not of that of the Government nor tax payers.
Banning it, by law, is wrong. very wrong,
wallace
Do the states that have banned terminations provide free contraceptives?
Do they provide support money for women having children but cannot support them? 23% of terminations are single women unable to support a child.
itsonlyrocknroll
President Joe Biden promised Tuesday that the first bill he sends to Capitol Hill next year will be one that writes abortion protections into law — if Democrats control enough seats in Congress to pass it — as he sought to energize his party’s voters just three weeks ahead of the November midterms.
Not particularly subtle, but effective, vote democrat midterm and Roe is restored under the law.
“If we do that, here’s the promise I make to you and the American people: The first bill that I will send to the Congress will be to codify Roe v. Wade," Biden said. “And when Congress passes it, I’ll sign it in January, 50 years after Roe was first decided the law of the land.”
It might not escape many voters, the question as to why the issue has taken fifty years to codify in the first place. Although that could be over simplification.
JTC
And... persecuting Women, who travel to another state to have an abortion, is abhorrent... and in itself should put those who wish to persecute into the spotlight as being criminals themselves.
bass4funk
Not the House. The Senate is looking at 50/50
To the average American abortion is way on the bottom list of issues of deep concern. Crime, defunding the police, inflation, rising food costs, CRT, woke-ness are all the kitchen table issues that Americans care about the most, now if the Dems want to talk about abortion, let them, it won't help them
Depending on which side you support.
wallace
Some of the states banning terminations are trying to introduce laws to prevent women from traveling to other states.