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wallace
bass4funk
You were the one who said you were "half"
Germany did not control the Berlin Wall.
The UK is four countries but they all use English.
Bob Fosse
No, you clearly don’t.
bass4funk
I do
And?
Bob Fosse
You really don’t actually know what the Berlin Wall was do you? That’s clear.
Look at an old map of it. It’ll be an eye opener for you.
wallace
Bob Fosse
Isn't it just. And the Israeli Wall. The Great Wall of China. Hadrian Wall. The Yellow Brick Road.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Aw, did I smudge your puma?
To take out the trash, of course.
You shouldn't even be voting in an election of a country you want to see destroyed.
wallace
bass4funkToday 12:07 pm JST
You need to learn the history.
You do not accept there were two separate countries even if they spoke the same language. East Germany was part of the Soviet Union and controlled by them. The wall only existed in Berlin because the West hung onto the western half of the city. The wall was built by East Germany.
The Berlin Wall was built and belonged to East Germany/Soviet Union.
bass4funk
Not sure what you are talking about, but I am talking about the BPA that testified under oath.
So the truth is, what the people that protect our borders say, not this WH that has a political agenda.
bass4funk
Question, What language did they speak in East Germany?
I do, I am half German
but the wall Worked, ask Roger Waters.
But it was still Germany-Deutschland.
wallace
bass4funk
Nope. It was East Germany. You don't accept there were two separate countries?
Why should you know better than anyone else? Seems you don't.
It's important to remember East Germany for what it was and what it stood for. Especially since you are so anti-communist and anti-socialist.
West Germany never built the wall.
bass4funk
Still, Germany, thank you.
But the same country and the same history before they were divided. I should know.
bass4funk
If the Dems would have done their job, if the Washington establishment would have done their job, we wouldn't be here talking about this and the wall would be complete and in place.
I'm sorry, but I worry about the US and our Southern border, I will not question what another sovereign nation does to protect its borders.
Ahhh, so it would be better for me to put up a lib article that doesn't even think we should have walls, let alone be a sovereign nation.
Pretty much. At least I get to see both sides of the tale and not the one side liberals always and only want you to see.
That is absolute BS, every border patrol official off the record has stated otherwise, so I would definitely take their word over Myorkas any day of the year.
So far you have been wrong on every point, but you have your opinion and I have mine, and mine is more aligned with the former BPA and Homeland team.
wallace
bass4funk
No, it did not because there were West Germany and East Germany and the wall belonged to East Germany. Two separate countries. History is important. Revisionism avoided.
No, along the Southern border.
Jimizo
That’s some distance. Who’s going to pay for it?
Remember you reverted back to being a fiscal conservative after Trump left office and you believe Biden has already added 39 trillion to the debt.
Make Canada pay?
bass4funk
Of course, Germany had "The Wall"
But it was still a wall and the majority of people could not cross it...successfully.
No, along the Southern border.
wallace
Germany didn't have a wall. The wall was in Berlin and built by East Germany. The Berlin Wall was a very short distance compared with the southern border.
"The Berlin Wall was not one wall, but two. Measuring 155 kilometres (96 miles) long and four metres (13 feet) tall, these walls were separated by a heavily guarded, mined corridor of land known as the 'death strip'."
So you want walls everywhere.
wallace
bass4funk
So you believe there should be a Canadian-American wall? Well, that is off-topic and not part of the discussion. Drugs cross into the US on the southern border.
bass4funk
Meaning, wherever the route is that illegals and drug cartels will use to sneak in people and drugs.
wallace
The last time I looked, the Great Lakes were not on the southern border.
bass4funk
which is also an area that the drug cartels could exploit to try to get people to cross, if I were a drug cartel member, that’s what I would do, regardless of the dangers
Please forgive me when I say this, but it just makes me want to puke when I hear liberals talking about limited resources and waste of money, the same people that waste our money to a foreign country, and overlook infill to dress the problems that we have on our own streets with thousands of people are addicted to drugs, drugs that come from Mexico, that are manufactured also with key components from China and then brought back to the US by mules in coming in illegally.
They haven’t, if they really supported illegal immigration, they wouldn’t have sanctuary cities
Well, Desert doesn’t know what he’s talking about, I still remember in Germany. When we had the wall, that wall was in penetrable, and very few people made it across, very, very few, if a walk, and work in Germany, if you can work in Israel, if you can work in Hungary, then it can definitely work in the United States, there is no difference.
You could say that about when you’re building an alarm system in certain areas that you find in a week, but you want to cover all areas to make it less likely for people to even try to attempt in may be taking an unguarded route
I will.
Yes, but in order to do that, seal the border first, and then take it from there.
I would hope you support that.
bass4funk
Some are, this is true, but I’m not talking about those individuals.
I’m sorry, but what does that have to do with illegals crossing the border and pushing for illegal immigration is not illegal, you kind of confuse me there, I don’t know how that relates to the topic of what we’re discussing. Anyway, I think increase border security is the best way, and the first step is to build a wall finish it and seal the border completely, that’s the first and most important step.
Maybe you don’t, but millions of Americans, I myself included, Do you have a problem with illegals coming in, I don’t blame the illegals for coming in, I understand why they do what they’re doing, but you still have to follow the rule of law, I do believe this administration for helping accelerate and push this mass illegal migration.
So, let me get this straight, you think that we need 5 million illegals to do all of that? We have over 56,000 homeless people just in Southern California alone who is going to employ these people? They don’t speak English the majority of them, most of them don’t have a skill, how are they going to work? How are they going to pay taxes? How would you count them in the US census, especially if they’re not legal, the problem with Democrats in the policies is that they don’t think before they implement some thing, they just go by pure emotion, and I always leads to trouble.
That is wrong as well.
Yes, but that is an entirely different issue, one way to stop that practice from happening is to make sure we have proper illegal immigrants in this country, then they don’t have to be worried about being exploited, because they could file lawsuits.
Superlib
Bass two people can agree that we need better border security but disagree on the best way to do it. Just because I don't agree with your way doesn't mean I welcome in illegals. Quite the opposite. I just want to use limited funds as smartly as we can.
And building a wall across the entire border pays low dividends. You're talking about building and maintaining barriers with human beings watching constantly in remote areas where humans have low chances of even making it. It's a waste of limited resources and is why politicians have dropped their demands for a complete wall after being elected.
Democrats have supported building walls in heavy traffic areas, which I support. Obama did it. And as Desert said, a vast majority are overstating visas so a wall is useless to stop a majority of them. Add to the fact that nearly all the rest are crossing in heavy traffic areas means building walls in remote areas is a waste of time. I will not support sending funds there. Divert those funds to catching visa overstayers or hiring more judges to resolve asylum cases faster.
Why wouldn't you support that?
mrtinjp
Proving this is more about racism than any other consideration. I heard the same said of my grandparents. I have no respect for that kind of bigotry
Nope, this is about stopping the ones coming in illegally, If they come in legally than no one has any problem.
bass4funk
Ok, so then you’re basically agreeing with me that for the Democrats, it was more about politics and optics than what was best for the country, good to know.
No, read the article.
Most of my family served and they know as well.
So now you’re generalizing all Americans, we are all overweight and diabetic or drug addicted, not where I live, not where I come from and not where I grew up in United States, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. My experience with immigrants has also been great, but most of them have been with people that had good intentions, people that had a goal in life, people that strive to become some thing, and that wanted to be part of something bigger, people that believed in the American dream, and wanted to become legal citizens. They have something to offer, they have the education, they have the merit and the desire to strive to be part of the fabric of America, those are the people that I want to immigrate to our great country.
Desert Tortoise
In my own life in my own city my concerns are not illegal immigrants. The ones I know work hard, are family oriented and don't do crime. The make no demands asking only for a chance to work and earn some money, a surprising amount (to me) is sent home. They live poor so they can save money. They are like my grandparents. And they are disparaged for racial and ethnic reasons just like my grandparents were.
They are not the drug addicts stealing my mail. They are not speeding and yakking on their cell phone before they rear end my and darn near total my restored vintage car. Now that was a nice wealthy white lady. It is not illegal immigrants street racing or doing white collar crime. It is not an illegal immigrant trying to tell me my attic furnace is responsible for the holes in the roof of a condo I rent or telling me it my window frame that is causing the leak above the window frame, though it might be an illegal immigrant who fixes the holes causing my problems. Depends on who the HOA hires and they hire the cheapest labor they can find but the property manager currently making my life miserable was born in the US. I don't have any problems with legal or illegal immigrants. None. Without them food isn't harvested, homes are not built or repaired, cars are not washed, etc. The real villains, to me, are the born in the US employers who exploit them and mistreat them. Those employers who abuse immigrants for their own profit are the lowest of the low, not for hiring illegal immigrants but for taking advantage of them.
Desert Tortoise
That is a bald faced lie and you know it. I'm a veteran and use the VA system regularly so I know what you are alleging is simply not true. My experience with immigrants is that they make far fewer demands on public services than overweight, diabetic and drug addicted born in the good ol' USA Americans.
Desert Tortoise
Risible nonsense. Nobody would expect a Repubelicken President to uphold the policies of a Democratic predecessor but you get all butt hurt because a Democratic President isn't upholding the policies of your god Jupiter, the orange colored gas giant. We voted that SOB out to end those policies.
bass4funk
We know that and now even Democrats are telling this guy to stop because their cities are out of control and they are kicking American citizens, and vets out of their care facilities to make room for these illegals. That is just insane!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/veteran-kicked-out-nursing-home-make-way-migrant-housing
Then don't come over illegally, they should throw in Piranhas as well.
Desert Tortoise
It is not a harmless project when said fence cuts your farm in half and locks you out of the land you own between the fence and the Rio Grand River. That is real life for a lot of farms and ranches in Texas and why so many eminent domain cases from as far back as the Bush Jr. (Shrub) Administration remain disputed in the courts.
bass4funk
You never answered my question, You do the typical liberal throwing in the racist dodge component. So once again, would you allow a dozen or so illegals to live with you? Would you keep your doors open? Should you even have locks or fences since you believe they all don't work, right?
Well, not sure what you are talking about, I am not a bigot for starters, I don't like bigots and I don't like when Dems use it to bolster their weak arguments.
Again, more excuses, the US is not the Moroccan coast, different society, different laws and customs and less modern technology implemented to stop the incursion, I don't know and frankly, I don't care, I am an American and ONLY care about what happens in my country. The rest is the typical lib dodge.
Oh, yes, it is the border, start there and seal it. No exceptions.
Mexico has some of the toughest laws when it comes to immigration, what are you talking about?
https://www.philkentconsulting.com/wp/wordpress/?page_id=244
So let them come in legally, but this admin gave them the Okay to enter illegally.
Yes, send illegals back, and tell them to come legally and tell them to apply or seek political asylum if they can prove it, other than that, all immigrants should go to the back of the line and wait, priority should be given to those that have followed our laws.
stormcrow
“Show me a 10 foot wall and I’ll show you a shop on the other side of it selling an 11 foot high ladder.”
konjo4u
It isn't often that the construction workers speak English much farther from the border than anywhere in Texas. There is no way it will be different there.
Desert Tortoise
It appears that Slovakia perceives a problem with illegal migrants crossing its borders from Hungary.
https://apnews.com/article/slovakia-starts-border-check-hungary-migration-450831f11ecba3ddb859ccb65e72bb71
Desert Tortoise
Look at the double border fences around the Spanish enclave of Ceuta on the Moroccan coast. Both fences are 6 meters tall topped with razor wire. They are routinely breached by large groups of North African migrants. Thinking any wall is going to prevent immigrants from crossing ones border is the equivalent to urinating into a very stiff breeze. A border wall also does nothing to address the large numbers of people who arrive on a valid visa and just overstay their visa. About 38% of illegal entries are from border crossers while 62% over stayed their visas. A border wall does not solve this problem. It is a waste of time and money.
The solution to the problem is not at the border but lies in the nations from which the immigrants are coming. Economic development in Mexico has greatly reduced the number of illegal entries from that nation. What you are seeing now are the poor from Central America mixed in with migrants from other places in Asia and Africa. The solution is to find ways to make their lives at least tolerable in their own nations so they don't feel the need to uproot and immigrate.
Kurumazaka 2
its not a farce at all. He’s respecting the separation of powers by building a section of wall that was already congressionally mandated. He has not agreed to build a wall with flesh penetrating spikes and a serpent and gator filled trench from Brownsville to San Ysidro.
did Trump ever consider that gators can’t survive in the Sonora desert? Silly me, he could just import Nile Crocodiles! They like the desert and they like to eat people! Of course, they are just as likely to eat Americans fishing on the Rio Grande, but hey gotta make some sacrifices to keep the baddies out.
Desert Tortoise
Proving this is more about racism than any other consideration. I heard the same said of my grandparents. I have no respect for that kind of bigotry.
bass4funk
Well, that is exactly right and to the point. That is real rational thinking.
Keepyer Internetpoints
@TaiwanIsNotChina
Well since you don't look our trash up, how would you?
Why are you even here?
Biden is a horrible president, in league with warmongering warprofiters so much that he is one of them. He has brought us to the brink of nuclear armagedon and squandered our future to squeeze profits out of the blood of Ukrainians.
Even I don't think a border wall is going to work, but at least it will employ ordinary Americans in a harmless project. Better to finish it than stoke the fires of needless foreign wars and instigate them.
Kurumazaka 2
well there goes the defund the Feds argument.
or is that limited to feds scrutinizing the former guy? Nope, nothing questionable about that at all…
NOMINATION
Yes and tell me how your party is fixing that problem?
bass4funk
What a complete and total farce. Of course, Biden could have completed it, he unilaterally stopped it. Give me a break. He and the Democrats could have worked to have properly secured our borders, they also didn't have congressional authority to demand our borders be open and to tell or BPA to NOT do their jobs, so that in itself is breaking the law to NOT allow the people that taxpayers pay to keep our nation safe to not protect us and our sovereign nation.
Well, this congress wants to, but even if they would pass a law to stop it, The Senate would object to any proposal and then there is Myorkas who said today that they did an outstanding job! Lying just comes naturally to this guy and he doesn't even bat an eyelash when he says it.
Ok, I get it, you don't believe in national sovereignty, I on the other hand do and I definitely want my tax dollars to go and fund this wall, the wall already paid for that this president tried to sell off secretly and quietly, now why is that? Of course, we know why he did this! I want the harshest penalties on anyone who comes into our country illegally, If you want to come in, do so legally.
Yawn, more liberal excuses.
For wanting a sovereign border? So other nations can have it, but we can't? If you think that makes someone a racist, I guess not opening up my door and allowing illegals to our in makes me a racist. How about you, would you take in 20-30 illegals to live in your home with you and your family? I mean, you believe in open-borders, so you don't need locks, you just let them in and they can do whatever you want, and you are ok with that, right?
Kurumazaka 2
I do fault Biden for not being straight up about this Wall construction requirement from the get go. Perhaps Mayorkas neglected to tell him? I don’t know, but he/they should have been straight up about it 2 years ago.
bass4funk
I was talking about the borderline along the ocean, the border is even easier, just hire more border patrol agents increase their pay, and objectively, re-instate the return to Mexico policy, pay a high penalty, punish and incarcerate repeat offenders, and have no asylum for lawbreakers. Almost every BPA that has been interviewed off camera, retired, or away from the ears of Myorkas said the exact same thing, this is a problem the US can easily fix.
Of course, they can.
https://www.news.uscg.mil/Press-Releases/Article/3280774/operation-vigilant-sentry-stopping-illegal-migration-at-sea/
Well, it was, not true, the wall did stop people, now let's look at reality for a second, did it completely stop people from coming in? It did not. Did it slow people down or deter people from attempting to come in? Absolutely. The wall slows people down, gives BPA to more easily apprehend the individuals and that is exactly what you want.
If you don't increase BPA along the border that what you said is true. Now, look at Hungary, they don't have that problem, now why is that? Because they are serious about national sovereignty and upholding the rule of law and that is a smaller country than the US, if they can do it, we can as well, India does it as well. There are just no excuses the left can make to justify any of this, none.
That is changing.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/increased-illegal-immigration-brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/operation-lone-star-combats-increased-cartel-activity-along-border
Kurumazaka 2
uhhhh…ok, I guess? Well, good news for you is DT already explained that, above your question. As in, your question was already answered.
Desert Tortoise
BS. He explained just what I explained. “The money was appropriated for the border wall,” Biden said. “I can’t stop that.”
The current Congress is not obliged to continue the policies of a previous Congress. I personally do not want my tax money wasted on an ineffective border wall, and especially when eminent domain is used to take private land to do so, often cutting farms in two and locking farmers out of land they own south of the border wall.
And your real bottom line is the detestable and highly racist replacement theory.
Desert Tortoise
The Coasties are responsible for navigation safety on inland waterways and the Great Lakes.
wallace
Coastguards patrol the ocean, not the 2,000-mile-long border.
bass4funk
Oh, I know that, but it seems that this President is not aware of that, not sure because of cognitive issues or because he just doesn't care. So in theory, you are to a large extent correct, however, all the Dems had to do when Biden....took office was to uphold the Trump border policies, that's it, and continue with them regarding the border wall construction, they didn't do that and from day one, not sure if he was him that made this unilateral decision or congress whispering in his ear to halt all construction. They made their bed and now the rest of the nation is suffering because of their desire to replace the electorate because more and more liberals are realizing that their party is out of sync and continues to put forth crazy non-sensical whacked ideas that help no one, but it is helping more unskilled and low-educated illegals (mostly men) that can't contribute to society
That is where you increase Coast Guard patrol presence, and flood lights near and around those critical areas.
wallace
The wall can't be completed ocean-to-ocean as Trump had stated.
Desert Tortoise
BS. Democratic legislators all know what the laws are regarding appropriations. So does every Republican lawmaker. And every one of those lawmakers know that had the Executive Branch refused to spend the money appropriated by Congress for the intended purpose he could have been sued and would have undoubtedly lost. For all you down voters, please read and understand the laws that govern what is known as Planning, Programming, Budgeting and Execution or PPBE to use the parlance of the Federal budget process. There are strict rules governing the process that have potentially big fines and prison sentences for will failure to comply. Presidents cannot just do what they want.
bass4funk
I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with completing the wall?
BS, the President could have continued the policy and completed the wall, but he didn't want to, Myorkas wouldn't enforce our laws, and look at the mess we are in now, I have a few friends that live very close to the border and they are beyond outraged that this admin allowed millions of illegals who are not vetted and mostly men to enter this country, it's a bit too late now and the damage has been done to the nation as a whole.
itsonlyrocknroll
President Biden must drop any semblance of pollical posturing, possible accusation of hypocrisy and either fully commit to a wall, or offer up credible policy alternatives.
Mayor Eric Adams says migrant crisis 'will destroy New York City'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLHRgAdQwqg
Desert Tortoise
Neither. Mr. Mayorkas has his opinion but the fact is Congress appropriated tax dollars for a specific purpose and under Federal law the Executive Branch must obligate that money for the purpose it was appropriated. There is a very limited set of circumstances in which the Executive Branch may "re-program" and appropriation from one purpose to another and the dollar amounts are very limited. The fact in this matter is that a prior Congress tied this Presidents hands.
Desert Tortoise
Under current Federal budget laws that date to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 the Executive Branch is required to spend all money appropriated by Congress for the purpose it was appropriated. The Impoundment Control Act (ICA) of 1974 further limits the Executive Branches ability to refuse to spend money appropriated by Congress for the purposes Congress intended.
CS
Man, did he blow it, Even the Dems cannot believe what he did?
Bob Fosse
“there are only two things that have consistently worked, wheels, and walls!" Trump wrote”
The wheels of justice may be bringing him some new walls.
Toblerone
Biden’s hypocrisy is amazing as his supporters are diving through hoops to defend him.
Hilarious!
lincolnman
He didn't promise 62 times to build a wall that Mexico pays for - then fail to deliver...now there's some "integrity"...
How about Dem Trump in 2011?
"In an 2008 interview with NY1 reviewed by CNN’s KFile, Trump praised Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, for their time in elected office.
Asked about Hillary Clinton’s legacy, Trump said, “Well, I think her history is far from being over. I’d like to answer that question in another 15 years from now. I think she is going to go down at a minimum as a great senator. I think she is a great wife to a president. And I think Bill Clinton was a great president.”
That your guy failed to do in four years...
Given his cognitive difficulties this past month, he'll probably call Biden "Obama"....and again say he'll start "WW II"...
https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-seamlessly-turns-083724742.html
Yrral
The Fu,name one incident of how an illegal impacted you
u_s__reamer
Throwing good money at the "Great Wall of Amerika" is Biden's contribution to employment for blue-collar voters and/or his endorsement of "la vida loca".
PTownsend
“The money was appropriated for the border wall,” Biden said. “I can’t stop that.”
Separation of powers after all, good to see that unlike his predecessor Biden does not think being president is the same as being fuhrer or king.
theFu
A border wall is part of the solution, but not the only part. A virtual wall makes sense in desolate areas, but a real wall makes sense in more populated areas, if only as a way to redirect people to the end of the wall for their illegal attempts to cross.
bass4funk
ROFL
How much time do you have?
lincolnman
Really Donald, the apology should be coming from you - along with a letter of thanks...
Who promised 62 times in 2016 to "build a big beautiful wall" and have "Mexico pay for it" - and then failed in four years to do both?
And just how many illegal immigrants would have been stopped if you had kept your word and built your wall?
Joe is fulfilling the promise you made - and didn't keep....
Send him a note of thanks - and maybe a Chinese-made Trump Collection tie...
TaiwanIsNotChina
Biden is checking all of my boxes to be the perfect president. Not sure what people are complaining about.
OnTheTrail
God forbid money just goes unspent. That statement makes it clear his administration is trying to have it both ways.