Biden signs executive order on abortion; declares Supreme Court 'out of control'

"We cannot allow an out of control Supreme Court, working in conjunction with extremist elements of the Republican party, to take away freedoms and our personal autonomy."

The Supreme Court has tarnished its reputation by making rulings like striking down Roe based solely on the justices own personal beliefs that have no basis in history or precedent. No wonder confidence in SCOTUS is at an all time low.

Rather than Democrats insisting upon unrestricted abortions up to and including birth, why not pay attention to what the American people desire? A CNN poll this week showed more than 70% of them want abortion available up to 15 weeks, with tightening restrictions after that. This seems like the basis for a compromise.

The Supreme Court has tarnished its reputation by making rulings like striking down Roe based solely on the justices own personal beliefs that have no basis in history or precedent. No wonder confidence in SCOTUS is at an all time low.

No, maybe to the emotional left, but for most Americans it just made sense to overturn Wade and send it back to the American voters and allow states to vote on the issue and take the federal government out of the Democratic process.

but for most Americans it just made sense to overturn Wade and send it back to the American voters and allow states to vote on the issue

“Reuters polling shows, and more than 70% of Americans think the issue should be left to a woman and her doctor.”

There’s your ‘most Americans’.

There is a solution. Congress and the President need to create a bill that clearly makes abortion on demand in the first 25 weeks allowed and pass it. I'd also like exceptions for incest and rape and for the mother's health. Leave it up to states to allow abortions for longer periods, if they like.

Do that.

I came to the 25 weeks timeframe (not actually stuck on that time) because that's when the brain starts having enough synapses for consciousness. Seems like a reasonable place to make a limit, while still allowing over 5 months for a very difficult decision for the mother which she may not realize for the first 2 months that she is pregnant.

“Reuters polling shows, and more than 70% of Americans think the issue should be left to a woman and her doctor.”

There’s your ‘most Americans’.

And more than half of women think that their should be limitations to abortion procedures, more reason why it was important to overturn Wade to allow the States to vote on this issue.

bass4funk

And more than half of women think that their should be limitations to abortion procedures, more reason why it was important to overturn Wade to allow the States to vote on this issue.

There already were limitations under Roe, so there was no need to overturn it.

The Republicans could have given a large number of typically non-voting women a reason to vote Democrat. They are now losing basic rights. It's not something vague that might happen in the future. That could work, but Republicans will have been rebooted by the abortion decision and the knowledge that the supreme court are on their side. And many women are squeamish about abortion rights until they need them.

The Democrats don't have a lot of time. A Republican president, backed by two Republican houses and a Republican Supreme Court is the perfect storm for Democrats. It would rapidly feel like an occupation. They need to approach the next election unified and coherent, not divided by progressive activists, handing votes to Republicans every time they make a speech. Being progressive isn't an option any more. This is about retaining the basics that have been won and held over decades. This is the last chance saloon. The winner takes it all.

They need to motivate women to vote for their most basic rights, and take back the political centre. It's possible, but there is so little room for error, that their presidential candidate has to be perfect for the job, trustworthy, inspirational and capable of obtaining support across a good deal of the political spectrum. And every one of them has to stick to the script. I'm not hopeful.

There already were limitations under Roe, so there was no need to overturn it.

It did not.

Edward Lazarus, a former law clerk to Roe'sauthor, Justice Harry Blackmun, who writes:

As a matter of constitutional interpretation and judicial method, Roe borders on the indefensible. I say this as someone utterly committed to the right to choose, as someone who believes such a right has grounding elsewhere in the Constitution instead of where Roe placed it, and as someone who loved Roe's author like a grandfather. . . . .

What, exactly, is the problem with Roe? The problem, I believe, is that it has little connection to the Constitutional right it purportedly interpreted. A constitutional right to privacy broad enough to include abortion has no meaningful foundation in constitutional text, history, or precedent. ...

The proof of Roe's failings comes not from the writings of those unsympathetic to women's rights, but from the decision itself and the friends who have tried to sustain it. Justice Blackmun's opinion provides essentially no reasoning in support of its holding. And in the almost 30 years since Roe's announcement, no one has produced a convincing defense of Roe on its own terms.7

Ten Legal Reasons to Condemn Roe

1.   The Court's decision in Roe v. Wade exceeded its constitutional authority. 

Under the legal system established by the U.S. Constitution, the power to make laws is vested in Congress and retained by state legislatures. It is not the role of the Supreme Court to substitute the policy preferences of its members for those expressed in laws enacted by the people's elected representatives. The role of the judiciary in constitutional review is to determine if the law being challenged infringes on a constitutionally protected right.

And finally the SC did the right thing by overturning it.

https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/ten-legal-reasons-to-reject-roe

bass4funk

No, maybe to the emotional left, but for most Americans it just made sense to overturn Wade and send it back to the American voters and allow states to vote on the issue and take the federal government out of the Democratic process.

The Supreme Court is supposed to protect the Constitution’s guarantee of liberty, which means that states can't override the Constitution. This directly opposes that. SCOTUS striking down Roe is based solely on the justices own personal beliefs and is unconstitutional.

The Republicans could have given a large number of typically non-voting women a reason to vote Democrat. 

https://cleverjourneys.com/2022/05/17/democrats-switching-to-republican-across-us-in-unprecedented-numbers/

Their toxic disastrous policies are the reason why people can’t run fast enough from the Democrat party.

Biden signs executive order on abortion; declares Supreme Court 'out of control'

And the Supreme Court thinks Biden is under control. Of some else.

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 take the federal government out of the Democratic process.

The Supreme Court is not the federal government.

bass4funk

The role of the judiciary in constitutional review is to determine if the law being challenged infringes on a constitutionally protected right.

Well you can expect the US conference of Catholic bishops to do some legal gymnastics to provide an interpretation that says that abortion isn't protected by the constitution, when it clearly is. The 14th amendment says that the government can't take away your liberty. Roe rightly held that the right to abortion is part of the 14th Amendment’s liberty guarantee.

I find it ironic that many on the right say they are for small government and yet, they are fine with the government regulating women's bodies.

U.S. President Joe Biden said the Supreme Court decision overturning the right to an abortion was an exercise in "raw political power" and signed an executive order on Friday to ease access to services to terminate pregnancies.

Good. The Repubs attempts to force motherhood on women by Big Government will end in disaster for them...

It’s all about the votes.

There aren’t many people who weren’t already voting Democrat anyway to add to the vote counts just over abortion. Not even a top 10 concern of voters.

and if there were these people they likely care about inflation and gas prices more. That’s what’s “out of control”.

Well you can expect the US conference of Catholic bishops to do some legal gymnastics to provide an interpretation that says that abortion isn't protected by the constitution, when it clearly is.

They know and even though their doctrine is against it in certain situations like incest, rape or if the mothers kid is in danger they would make an exception.

The 14th amendment says that the government can't take away your liberty.

They didn’t, the SC gave it back

Roe rightly held that the right to abortion is part of the 14th Amendment’s liberty guarantee. 

No, they didn’t, now it was justly overturned and now the people and each state can vote on the issue and spark a more serious dialogue, that’s what you want.

I find it ironic that many on the right say they are for small government and yet, they are fine with the government regulating women's bodies.

I found it astounding that the left with their wokeness and gender neutrality stances now all of a sudden can clearly define what a woman is and demanding to allow them to kill babies, that’s perfectly justifiable, but trying to stop them from taking a life now it’s all about woman’s rights? Interesting….

There aren’t many people who weren’t already voting Democrat anyway to add to the vote counts just over abortion. Not even a top 10 concern of voters.

Sure....and we can see those Repub 2022/24 banners now....

"We believe in forced motherhood - that Big Government has the right to tell every woman in the country what she can and can't do with her body"....

That's a real winner....LOL...

Big government had the right to tell everyone they had to inject themselves with a vaccine though?

Off topic - vaccines not mentioned in article...

welcome to Build Back Better world.

Ditto - BBB not mentioned in article...

abortion is not going to save the Dems in the election.

Not what some people think...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-scotus-overturning-roe-v-wade-bad-for-republicans-report-2022-6

That's a real winner....LOL...

Judging by the latest polling it just might be.

That's a real winner....LOL...

Judging by the latest polling it just might be.

Sure it will...

Today, a 61% majority of U.S. adults say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 37% think abortion should be illegal in all or most cases..

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

Good luck winning with your 37%....you'll definitely need some fraudulent electors and fake certification lists for that....ROFL...

People don’t vote only considering their views on abortion.

if they did Biden and Dems would be at 61% approval, not as low as 31%.

Time for the Repubs and the so-called conservatives to fess up and just strike "freedom" from their lexicon...they no longer believe in that value...

Freedom for women to control their own bodies? No, no, no....

Freedom to vote? Not with all the new voting restrictions....

Freedom from gun violence? No more with new Red State lax gun laws...

Freedom to elect our President? As the Jan 6th hearings have shown, not when you can stage a coup with false electors and phony certifications lists...

Freedom joins law and order, fiscal responsibility, and US global leadership in the Repub waste-can...

bass4funk

I found it astounding that the left with their wokeness and gender neutrality stances now all of a sudden can clearly define what a woman is and demanding to allow them to kill babies, that’s perfectly justifiable, but trying to stop them from taking a life now it’s all about woman’s rights? Interesting….

That would be astounding. But nobody wants to kill babies. And before you say that abortion is murdering babies, I ask you this: why do states that outlawed abortion, not charge the woman having an abortion with murder?

bass4funk

Roe rightly held that the right to abortion is part of the 14th Amendment’s liberty guarantee. 

No, they didn’t, now it was justly overturned

No it wasn't. It was overturned by personal opinions of the new justices.

and now the people and each state can vote on the issue and spark a more serious dialogue, that’s what you want.

Sure. So if your liberty isn't protected by the constitution (it is), I guess the states can now ban guns.