Biden tells Putin Russia must crack down on cybercriminals

Putin is either so weak he can't do anything about the organized criminals that took over Russia, or he's a crook and profiting off their schemes.

Tziny putin is not to be trusted. He's a mass murdering despot after all...

Well Joe, first thing is to make sure you changed all the passwords at the NSA, CIA, and NSA that Trump gave to Putin at those secret, no notes summits....

Yeah, Putin must completely and absolutely scared out of his wits wondering what drastic and decisive measures Joe is going to take to stop the cyberattacks in its tracks.

And yet, many Trump Republican backers continue to defend Russia while claiming to they are patriotic Americans.

Russia has long shown its investments in cyberwarfare techniques including funding hordes of social media keyboard warriors while being supportive of the US Republican Party, the NRA, KKK and other white nationalist movements has paid off for Russia and other anti-democracy, pro-authoritarian regimes by damaging the US and other nations with bits of democracy remaining.

The muh-Russia 'Americans' have been useful I's for Putin etal. while showing their collective disdain for the US and democracy. Putin has succeeded in damaging the US, and has been helped by 70 maaybe 71 million 'American' right wing extremists, their politicians and media in the US and throughout the 'west'.

Orange’s fault. He probably paid to set up these hackers. And is briefing Putin on how to deal with Big Joe. BJ is taking the fight to Russia who are clearly the maim threat to US security and prosperity.

It must be difficult to prove or disprove that Putin is and has been directly responsible for the cyber-attacks.

It's probably the Russian mafia, and it's supposed to be very good at this sort of thing compared with other international crime groups since they evolved operating under the radar in Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union. So even if Putin wanted them to stop attacking U.S. companies, would they listen to him?

Biden is a sad joke, Putin is only gonna toy with him

Difficult situation.

I really don't think the Russian government is involved with a cyber crimes that affect companies for cash. No benefit, just downside for them. They're more interested in attacking government assets, like they successfully did under Trump to an unprecedented scale without repercussion.

Can Biden force them to act on rogue hackers that operate within their borders? Maybe. Biden specifically said that the US would share information with Russia and if Russia doesn't act on that information then there would be consequences.

I suppose that's the extent that the US can act, but it's hard to define or measure success in that situation.

Russian Law Enforcement has no legal jurisdiction or responsibility for crimes that occur on US soil.

Trying to reduce cyber warfare to "crimes that occur on US soil" is irrelevant and very silly. By your logic the US would be powerless if North Korea launched missiles at Los Angeles, because it's a crime that "occured on US soil".

Yeah, Putin must completely and absolutely scared out of his wit

Doubtful Putin is scared, he knows there are still many Trump backing Republicans who are more supportive of Putin than they are of the Biden, the duly elected President and the US.

Putin must know the Trump crowd will go to bat for him, before they will go to bat for Biden and the US, even though the US is the country far right 'Americans' claim to be patriots of while at the same time the US far right extremists say it's OK for Russia and other authoritarian states to meddle in US affairs, especially when the meddling contributes to anti-democracy efforts and helps the GOP's Trump wing but that further splinters and weakens the US.

Boy, I bet Putin is shaking in his pants after a scolding from President Joey.

bass4funkToday  07:44 am JST

Yeah, Putin must completely and absolutely scared out of his wits wondering what drastic and decisive measures Joe is going to take to stop the cyberattacks in its tracks.

Donald Trump showed everyone how to handle Putin, right?

"I have president Putin, he just said it's not Russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be," President Trump said, standing at podium side-by-side with the Russian president during a joint press conference Putin in Helsinki, Finland.

He continued: “So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

I'm sure Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of arousing Sleepy Joe's anger. Jeez, somebody give Joe a warm blanket and a mug of hot cocoa to calm him down.

Good job, Joe. While you are at it, why not also hold Putin accountable for street shootings, galloping inflation and the draught in California?

Putin must know the Trump crowd will go to bat for him, before they will go to bat for Biden and the US, even though the US is the country far right 'Americans' claim to be patriots of while at the same time the US far right extremists say it's OK for Russia and other authoritarian states to meddle in US affairs, especially when the meddling contributes to anti-democracy efforts and helps the GOP's Trump wing but that further splinters and weakens the US.

Absolutely. The far-right has already thrown in with Putin and Xi, as Russia attacks in cyberspace and China threatens in the Pacific. The goal of all three is to weaken Biden and usher in Trump or a similar authoritarian-like Repub who will give Russia a pass on Crimea and Ukraine, further diminish NATO, and reduce US forces in the Far-East...

It's clear as day - just look at what is on Fox, Newsmax, and OANN - it's nothing but Russian and Chinese disinformation...

The Russian Trojan Horse is really a Fox...

Biden added, from his kneeling position,

"Pretty pretty please? I've shut down America's gas pipeline, and surrendered on your NordStream 2 pipeline...We're leaving Central Asia, giving the Iranians a blank check in less than a decade to go nuclear, I just got done chastising Israel, and I've accepted you guys forever being a part of the Syrian scene, with a brand new Mediterranean port for your ships...what more can I possibly do for you, Vlad?? Let me know, M-kay? Love ya!"

Doubtful Putin is scared, he knows there are still many Trump backing Republicans who are more supportive of Putin

This is just absolutely laughable, you have zero proof of this whatsoever. Come on now. Lol

Putin must know the Trump crowd will go to bat for him, before they will go to bat for Biden

Seeing what Biden has been doing to the country over last 6 months probably

and the US, even though the US is the country far right 'Americans' claim to be patriots of while at the same time the US far right extremists say it's OK for Russia and other authoritarian states to meddle in US affairs,

No, but it seems like when the right wants to confront the ties with Russia and Ukraine, the right are not allowed to ask anything, ever. Why is that? In the US, the Land of the Free (supposedly) we all should have the right to ask questions no matter which political fence you’re on.

especially when the meddling contributes to anti-democracy efforts and helps the GOP's Trump wing but that further splinters and weakens the US.

Then that would because of this administrations policies, it has nothing to do with Trump. He’s not in office, Biden has the floor and by the looks of it, Joe is definitely helping to get more Republicans elected to the House and gubernatorial and mayoral positions. Joe is out of his element when it comes to Putin, even now you’re hearing more fears and chatter from Dems concerning Joe and his ability or lack of to lead the nation.

All Biden needs to do is make it legal for US-based crackers to attack Russian based entities. There are thousands of cyber security students who would love to be unleashed on Russia, China, NK, Iran, and other locations.

The background noise of attacks against US businesses are here. Would be nice if those countries had some to worry about too.

Though I will say that since we started blocking most network connections from those countries, the attacks have been coming from France and Ireland server farms more and more. Oddly, when we switched to LTS v1.3 only connections, most of the Chinese attacks stopped. Seems that China allows TLS v1.2 and earlier connections because they've hacked those, but they haven't cracked TLS v1.3, so the great firewall blocks them on their own. ;) https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/11/china_blocking_tls_1_3_esni/

Donald Trump showed everyone how to handle Putin, right?

Pretty much. When he bombed and killed a bunch of Russians in Syria, Putin didn’t do Jack. He or Xi or the Ayatollah didn’t talk smack or attempted anything like that. You can say whatever you want about Trump, but like Merkel said, Trump is unpredictable, she didn’t like him that much but she respected his strength. With Biden, he’s not only predictable, but he doesn’t inspire strength. I never cared about a President being popular, I cared for a President to be feared and you’re not getting that with Joe.

Donald Trump showed everyone how to handle Putin, right?

Pretty much.

True. Trump handled Putin like Monica handled Clinton...

When he bombed and killed a bunch of Russians in Syria

As you've stated consistently regarding President Obama and the OBL raid, Trump gets zero credit for that - that belongs to the CENTCOM Commander. Trump likely apologized to Putin for it at one of their secret summits...

Putin didn’t do Jack. He or Xi or the Ayatollah didn’t talk smack or attempted anything like that.

Hmmm.... Solar Winds - the most massive cyber attack in our history....happened on who's watch?

You can say whatever you want about Trump, but like Merkel said, Trump is unpredictable, she didn’t like him that much but she respected his strength.

You must have missed the pics of her and the other leaders laughing at him - they think he's a clown...

https://www.vox.com/2019/12/4/20995038/trump-trudeau-video-nato-summit

With Biden, he’s not only predictable, but he doesn’t inspire strength. I never cared about a President being popular, I cared for a President to be feared and you’re not getting that with Joe.

Fear is what you see in Trump's eyes as he watches Weisellberg being led away in handcuffs...real fear...

There are thousands of cyber security students who would love to be unleashed on Russia, China, NK, Iran, and other locations.

Really, that many? Not all have gone back to China, I guess..

So why won't these geniuses you talk about apply their mad cyber skills to develop some decent cyber security around key IT infrastructure?

Bass: When he bombed and killed a bunch of Russians in Syria, Putin didn’t do Jack. 

Certainly you aren't talking about the Conoco outpost situation, where Russian and Syrian forces attacked a US base and the US responded.

Because obviously one only carries out an attack on the US because they fear our President?

Trump didn’t bomb and kill anyone, military people did.

But the soldiers under his command did, he didn’t stop them or told them not to.

Certainly you aren't talking about the Conoco outpost situation, where Russian and Syrian forces attacked a US base and the US responded.

Yup!

Because obviously one only carries out an attack on the US because they fear our President?

Funny, Russia didn’t respond, but when Hillary intervened in the 2011 Russian election, Putin responded, so…

Bass: Funny, Russia didn’t respond

Russia launched an offensive on a US base. Obviously out of fear of Trump.

I suppose Russia's cyber attack in 2020 under Trump, the largest and longest ever, was also carried out because they feared Trump?

I think the issue here is our disagreement on strength. If someone openly attacks the US, which Russia did under Trump, you think it's because they fear him. I hold the opposite view, which is that they don't fear him, hence the attacks.

That's probably the disagreement we have.

From the same guy who gave Putin a list of our critical infrastructure and systems NOT to attack.

Russia launched an offensive on a US base. Obviously out of fear of Trump.

I said Russians were killed and Putin didn’t retaliate, let Biden try that.

I suppose Russia's cyber attack in 2020 under Trump, the largest and longest ever, was also carried out because they feared Trump?

Funny, now they seem to be happening on a weekly basis and the ransom is getting larger and Joe is doing what again to put all this to an end?

I think the issue here is our disagreement on strength.

No, you either show strength in the most visible and audible sense with rhetoric backed by military strength or you just talk and talk ans buy a coffee and forget your sentences and reflect, that won’t scare a Jack rabbit.

If someone openly attacks the US, which Russia did under Trump, you think it's because they fear him.

Like Putin said, he respected Trump, he did show strength, doesn’t feel the same about Joe and still, the attacks continue.

I hold the opposite view, which is that they don't fear him, hence the attacks.

Well, that’s ok, you’re not Putin. I take his word on that. I don’t like the guy, but the guy thinks Joe is a joke and as long as he’s President, the attacks won’t stop and he knows it under this President.

That’s rather one-sided. Who develops and sells all those IT and software? Surely not Russia. Their hackers only use the leaks provided, like a thief cheap locks and open doors. Of course that’s worse. But the error is also in the products that are not developed and sold with sufficient resistance against such attacks.

I think Russian hackers have taken over some of the posters on this thread

Bass: I said Russians were killed and Putin didn’t retaliate

I know what you're saying. Russia attacked, the US responded. You're saying the Russians didn't attack a second time so they fear Trump. My opinion is that if they feared Trump they wouldn't have tried an attack in the first place. Brave men defended that base, not Trump.

Bass: Funny, now they seem to be happening on a weekly basis

You're mixing in Russian government attacks on US government assets (the biggest of which happened under Trump) with rogue hackers based in Russia going after money from worldwide companies. Putin attacked Trump's US government assets directly when Trump was in power, obviously because he feared Trump (in your opinion).

My guess is the only way to convince you that Putin fears Biden would be for the Russian government to start openly attacking the American government under Biden. Weird, but here we are.

I know what you're saying. Russia attacked, the US responded. You're saying the Russians didn't attack a second time so they fear Trump. My opinion is that if they feared Trump they wouldn't have tried an attack in the first place. Brave men defended that base, not Trump. 

You’re wrong again, they attacked, saw what Trump did, realized the guy would cross that line and were unsure how he would respond again should they try and engage the US. With Joe there’s no contemplating, no fear of any repercussions.

You're mixing in Russian government attacks on US government assets

No, Sup, no, I wasn’t.

My guess is the only way to convince you that Putin fears Biden would be for the Russian government to start openly attacking the American government under Biden. Weird, but here we are.

Not weird, we are here and it’ll only worsen because the only thing Biden will do is just talk, talk and the msm will continue to ask him what flavor ice cream he likes and that’ll be the end of that and Vlad is the last one laughing. This is the very definition of weakness.

I do love how you trust Putin over your fellow Americans. Why do “conservatives” prefer authoritarian leaders of our adversaries over their fellow Americans? Not very patriotic at all.

They know that Putin has a complete hold on their idol. Putin controls his money and his kompramat controls the remnants of his reputation.

We should respect the amazing gymnastics that these people have to perform to believe & trust Putin more than their own intelligence agencies.

putin is getting desperate since his puppy in the WH is gone. So he depends on criminals to attack American institutions.

The funny thing about criminals, as we have seen from Donald’s behavior, is that they have no loyalty to anyone.

it will be funny when these criminals turn against putin and give him a taste of his own medicine!!!

Bass: No, Sup, no, I wasn’t.

Well yeah, you are. The Russian government cyber attack on the US targeted US government systems. That's government vs government attacks.

The more recent attacks are rogue players in Russia going after international companies for money.

Not rocket science to see the difference.

But he didn’t do it.

They did, you’re repeating what I was implying already. Putin may be a liar, but the body count can’t be disputed.…

You love this misinformation.

No, this is according to the Pentagon

Hillary criticized the election AFTER it happened,

But interfered

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/clinton-putin-226153

I do love how you trust Putin over your fellow Americans.

I don’t trust nor do I like Putin, but I definitely don’t trust a lot of what our intel agencies have said and done especially over the last 5 years and with good reason.

Well yeah, you are. The Russian government cyber attack on the US targeted US government systems. That's government vs government attacks.

And like Biden, whatever no worries, this attitude helps The GOP and Trump. No wonder Vlad continues to poke Biden.

The more recent attacks are rogue players in Russia going after international companies for money.

Not rocket science to see the difference.

And Joe is doing absolutely nothing to stop it, the very definition of showing weakness.

It's nice to see that the right has least stopped claiming the cyber attacks weren't coming from Russia. That narrative was quickly abandoned, wasn't it?

Really, that many? Not all have gone back to China, I guess..

So why won't these geniuses you talk about apply their mad cyber skills to develop some decent cyber security around key IT infrastructure?

We used to get hundreds of thousands of attacks daily from Chinese locations, often universities. Those attacks filled log files and took a little filtering to remove so we could pay attention to more important attempts. Eventually, we just started blocking them all, but Chinese people know how to use a VPN with an exit node in Virginia, France, or Canada just like everyone else does. There is no silver bullet for everything.

Nobody said "students" were geniuses. Most are fodder to add to the cyber attacks. Perhaps 0.001% would actually get inside. The NSA would probably like to speak with those people.

You'll never see the truly talented attacks. They penetrate the network and silently grab data. Normal people have very little understanding for how networking actually works. Most networked devices have tiny flaws which allow bypassing them when you go back to the basics, regardless of the vendor. The number of people ignorant about IPv6 is astounding, yet MSFT has enabled it for 15 yrs in MS-Windows, effectively bypassing our home routers firewalls and security.

Protecting assets means getting millions of things perfect every day, all day without fail. That is much harder than finding 1 tiny failure, then exploiting it.

Most businesses and many govts aren't paranoid enough. Home users are basically unprotected, especially if they put a phone on their internal network. I find it funny that anyone thinks a phone or a streaming stick or IP camera can be trusted. They cannot. Organizations that understand security don't let people connect their personal devices to the network - ever. Ingress and egress traffic is highly filtered, if it is even allowed at all. No direct connections are allowed. Everything must go through proxies with filters and scans. Smart organizations MiTM their own people to prevent encrypted outbound traffic from being opened and looked at. For a long time, this has been possible in real-time by vendors like BlueCoat (sold to another company long ago). The hardware to do this for many thousands of connections at wire-speed exists. Huge corporations buy it, but so do countries who are closely watching their citizens. You'd be surprised at which telecoms have this equipment around the world.

It is best if the network is completely disconnected from the outside world, but few organizations will take the productivity hit to accomplish that. Want a quick test to see if your organization has bad security? Can you run nslookup google.com and get a correct answer? In the more secure organizations, desktops can't perform DNS queries to any outside websites.

American's imprisoned in russia during Trump's term.

Paul Wheelan, a former marine, detained at a Moscow hotel in December 2018 by Russian authorities who alleged he was involved in an intelligence operation. Whelan -- who is also an Irish, British and Canadian citizen so not strictly just American.

American Trevor Reed, a former marine, sentenced in 2020 to 9 years in prison for assaulting police officers.

During Trump's single term Russia released no American prisoners.

I fail to see the correlation with that and the cyberattacks that are increasing in size and damaging the National Security of the Nation.

Doubtful Putin is scared, he knows there are still many Trump backing Republicans who are more supportive of Putin

This is just absolutely laughable, you have zero proof of this whatsoever. Come on now. Lol

When Republicans like Cosplay Ted Cruz, and Mitch McConnell criticize Russia, and start to support the US. I doubt even then I will find it laughable.

Doubtful the Trump Republicans who got campaign donations from Putin's oligarchs will ever be critical of Russia, nor will those in the Trump klan. Putin's white after all.

@theFu:

Good response, thank you

This is just absolutely laughable, you have zero proof of this whatsoever. Come on now. Lol

Ditto.

When Republicans like Cosplay Ted Cruz, and Mitch McConnell criticize Russia, and start to support the US.

They do, that’s why they’re worried about Joe, deeply worried about him and his policies domestically and internally.

Doubtful the Trump Republicans who got campaign donations from Putin's oligarchs will ever be critical of Russia, nor will those in the Trump klan. Putin's white after all.

In the same way China is courting the Biden’s, Dems and especially big tech, both problematic.

Bass: And like Biden, whatever no worries, this attitude helps The GOP and Trump. No wonder Vlad continues to poke Biden.

You are weak and useless in this discussion. Goodbye.

may as well tell the Taliban to cease and desist while he's at it, otherwise the U.S. will, um.... oh, hang on....

It’s not possible to interfere in something that is already finished:

You failed to leave out the fact that before and during the elections she was already plating the seeds of disinformation to the Russian public.

With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at ****Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. 

Bingo!

That’s not what you said earlier:

No, The full quote.

Well, that’s ok, you’re not Putin. I take his word on that. I don’t like the guy, but the guy thinks Joe is a joke and as long as he’s President, the attacks won’t stop and he knows it under this President.

That is an indisputable fact.