Biden appeals for tougher gun laws: 'How much more carnage?'

The GOP will block everything, even common sense laws like closing background loopholes.

“He’s going to renew his call for action to stop the epidemic of gun violence that we’ve seen in Uvalde and in Tulsa and in Buffalo in just a few short weeks," said press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre.

But no bill? No proposal to at least make it as difficult to get a gun as to get a driver's license? Something simple, understandable, that people could get behind and debate?

I must say looking at the responses, the Republicans and NRA have been successful in shifting the debate to being about mental health.

Some action on that is likely all that will come out of this.

The GOP will block everything, even common sense laws like closing background loopholes.

If the Democrats can’t fix their own cities like Chicago and a slew of others then why would the GOP do anything? Doesn’t make sense. It wouldn’t help.

3% of people own over 50% of all the guns in the US.

Personally I blame mentally ill black liberal immigrant democrats.

How about doing something about all that fentanyl coming in through the open borders, killing 80,000 in the U.S. last year?

The GOP will block everything, even common sense laws like closing background loopholes.

Yet you had a block party when the Democrats won the presidency and Congress. Why? I thought you said the country would change for the better because ALL decisions would be made by Democrats.

Democrats can do anything they want right now, as they control everything.

so it’s disingenuous to blame anyone but themselves. I wonder who will be blamed in this speech today?

3% of people own over 50% of all the guns in the US. 

What? Who? What stat?

Personally I blame mentally ill black liberal immigrant democrats.

What?

How about doing something about all that fentanyl coming in through the open borders, killing 80,000 in the U.S. last year?

Not a single word from Democrats, not one.

No which means Dems need to vote to eliminate the filibuster. Which they can do, but oddly won’t.

He also said that “things have gotten so bad that everybody’s getting more rational, at least that’s my hope," adding, “There’s realization on the part of rational Republicans” who realize ”we can’t keep repeating ourselves."

I wish every issue didn’t have to boil down to dems vs pubs; and that the media didn’t always cheer for the dems. There is no republican, no nra member, no pro-2nd amendment person that is happy about what has happened these past weeks. Everyone is disgusted by it. It’s just that the majority on one side doesn’t believe the rights of law abiders should be infringed upon because of the acts of criminals. The dems need to stop the political grandstanding and work with the pubs. The pubs need to work with the dems and admit that children getting shot up at school is unacceptable and detrimental to the country. Biden, he needs to focus hard on the teleprompter tonight and give the appearance of genuineness.

“House Dem declares gun control will happen even if it means abolishing filibuster or expanding Supreme Court”

so they can do it. If they wanted to.

“House Dem declares gun control will happen even if it means abolishing filibuster or expanding Supreme Court”

If they are THAT stupid and would do that, they would come to regret it. Harry Reid blew up the Senate filibuster and because of what Reid did, the GOP was able to get 3 new conservatives on the Supreme Court and all thanks to Reid and now they want to make the same mistake again? Yeah, go for it.

House Dem declares gun control will happen even if it means abolishing filibuster or expanding Supreme Court”

This is why I left the democrat party after 2016. It’s clear they’re willing to do anything to get their way.

If they are not killings others with guns,they killing themselves with guns.

Background checks wouldn't help

https://news.yahoo.com/hunter-biden-reportedly-violated-federal-152649044.html

https://everytownresearch.org/report/covid-background-check-loophole/

Democrats are not enforcing it in their cities.

That is why nothing changes.

Noidall; There is no republican, no nra member, no pro-2nd amendment person that is happy about what has happened these past weeks. Everyone is disgusted by it.

But you'll let it continue so you can keep your guns. Don't act lile you're some innocent bystander.

Biden is speaking now at 7:30 Eastern standard time,as not to compete with NBA Championship,Around 8 pm,the speech will he over

Pretty sad too considering the NBA is failing ratings wise. That means 5 people will watch that speech.

Mr Noidall,you want be missed,their will never be a Republican president ever again in America

But you'll let it continue so you can keep your guns. Don't act lile you're some innocent bystander.

So what do you want to be done? The Dems defund the police, won't allow them to do their jobs, take away a lot of resources from them, don't crack down on crime within their own cities and yet, they demand that the GOP do something, do what? Dems just don't have a good track record when it comes to trust on the gun issue. They don't clamp down on crime and they want to make sure that the public can't defend themselves while they can have as many guns as they want.

Don't act lile you're some innocent bystander.

But I am an innocent bystander.

This is why I left the democrat party after 2016. It’s clear they’re willing to do anything to get their way.

So you’re feeling great about the prospect of a one party state?

Mr Noidall,you want be missed,their will never be a Republican president ever again in America

So you’re feeling great about the prospect of a one party state?

The President can't do anything to overturn the 2nd Amendment. He actually has ZERO part in amending the US Constitution, besides making speeches.

The President isn't above the law either, unlike some other countries.

To change the US Constitution is spelled out clearly ... in the US Constitution.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/article/article-v

Article V spells it out, clearly.

⅔ of either Congress or the State Legislatures can propose an Amendment or a Constitutional Convention.

It is ratified win ¾ of the State Legislatures agree to the amendment.

In short, 38 states have to agree to any amendment OR just 13 are needed to block it. In the 1700s, a Constitutional Convention altered the rules for ratification, but that was the last time. The Constitutional Convention could ask for a national popular vote too.

In the 1990s, Clinton was able to enact a 10 ban on newly manufactured assault rifle sales. Existing assault rifles weren't impacted and continued to be sold. When that ended, the AR-15 became extremely popular and over 1M have been sold annually because people became fearful they wouldn't be allowed to buy them. Many gun lovers have that old saying "I'll give you my gun when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands" on their mind.

The background check system is a joke. Biden allegedly got around it by checking no in a check box instead of yes. (Not defending it, just pointing out the feebleness of the NICS)

So basically you validating my point, now you know what conservatives don't trust any Democrat or even the Feds with our personal information. Again, both have a very checkered history and not a good one, so there is no trust and who can blame the public?

Your everytown article talks about the Charleston loophole, which is that if a background check is not completed within three days, the sale must proceed. It's how the Charleston mass shooter (who should have failed) got his weapon, hence the name. The article states that because of the covid-related spike in gun sales, more sales are proceeding because of the demand, and other people who would probably be disqualified are able to buy guns.

Again, the Dems defund the police (less police) not allowing them to utilize their full authority (now the criminals have a huge tactical advantage) they won't even prosecute these people (as Dave Chappelle) and these thugs are right back on the streets to commit more crime. In most blue states their DA's are refusing to prosecute serious crimes so now what? I have to disarm because the Democrats don't care about their own cities? That is just not going to happen. When Dems had the majority under Obama, they could have done something, they could do something now. California is strict, so is Chicago and why is the murder rate still off the charts? Maybe prosecuting criminals and keeping them locked up might help a little.

One of the bills, passed by the House but currently stalled in the Senate (gee, wonder why) seeks to extend the amount of time allowed from three days to ten.

Like I said, Dems just don't have a good record and really should refrain from pointing fingers and stop throwing stones at glass windows. Clean up your own cities first and then let's talk.

I see the issue of guns the same as those about abortion, healthcare and all the other problems in American society, and bogeymen like Muslims and China. Both Republicans and Democrats have no interest in changing anything because it's always a talking point which both sides can use for their benefit.

The dems need to stop the political grandstanding....

Took unusually long for that gem to arise. Think: rightists complain Dems "politicize" gun massacres while at the same time crying that Dems will "take away your guns," thus politicizing gun massacres.

The tiniest silver lining of this tragedy is that it happened in Texas, one of the most gun-happy states in America. Perhaps it will cause Texans to think for once.

Kind of. Your point was that background checks wouldn't help. I'm saying the inefficient and deficient system currently in place is not fit for purpose, and improvements to it would help.

Again, Conservatives will never trust Democrats on the gun and second amendment issue, never. Democrats, clean up your mess first.

*"Dana Loesch has recently been outspoken on the need for the NICS database to include more complete records.  This is not just a problem of the States not supplying complete records, but of federal agencies themselves that haven’t bothered to follow federal law and report convictions."*

Like I said, clean out the agencies of political partisans, stop the defunding the police, stop demonizing law-abiding citizens, take a more aggressive approach towards gangs and crime altogether and you will see more people trusting and believing the system and see more cooperation from conservatives once they see the seriousness of left and this issue.

I always hear about your Constitution and reference to the Second Amendment. So I did a brief history on the Constitution and found out some facts that has bearing on why the Second Amendment was included and documented. I checked out some of the creators and founders and it turn out that some were slave owners. So I put myself in the same position of one of these highly educated quasi bureaucrat slave owner. I am thinking, So the delegates telI me that we slave owner don't have to give up their slaves. But what happen we the slaves glue on to our constitution That All Man Are Equal and Free. The slaves will uprise and revolt so delegates better debate how we over come this problem. So they came up with the Second Amendment for this purpose. I can't think of any other reason why other than to quell slave riots but they didn't employ the same hindsight into the Second Amendment which they brightly did with the rest of the Constitution.

As long as it doesn’t affect them directly, the typical Republican voter won’t change or pressure there representatives to change anything. The Republican voters must demand change before any practical change occurs, but there’s only a stubborn silence from their side.

I thought they didn't do anything, but now they're strict? Anyway, California (a state) is somewhere in the middle in terms of murder rate (and below the national average)

Villanueva said the approximately 94% increase in homicides is "unique to Los Angeles County - I think throughout the entire United States it's probably one of the biggest jumps ever."

The sheriff also attributes the grim crime stats on the L.A. County Board of Supervisors' decision to place a hiring freeze on the sheriff's department at a time when he says there's a critical need for more deputies.

"I still have a majority of the board that is dead set on defunding the department, and that does not work because the community is suffering directly as a result of their decisions, not of our actions," Villanueva said.

https://abc7.com/los-angeles-county-crime-statistics-homicide-murder/11489644/

And then there's Chicago....

and Illinois (Chicago's a city, but whatever) is around tenth.

*In just the Central police district — which includes much of the downtown business district — the total number of shootings and total shootings per 1,000 residents has shot up nearly 220% since 2019 —by far the largest increase in any police district in the city.The Near North district, which includes parts of downtown and also Lincoln Park, saw the second-highest rise in shootings in that time — 120%.*

The downtown area has also seen a 35% increase in sexual assaults — to nearly 200 cases — and a 51% increase in car thefts — to more than 800, while the numbers of robberies and aggravated batteries have dropped in the past two years.

The numbers mirror a troubling trend across the city.

Through Oct. 23, at least 617 people have been fatally shot and at least 3,768 have been wounded in Chicago, putting the city on target for what’s likely to be one of its deadliest years since the mid-1990s.There have been another 45 non-shooting homicides, according to CPD data. Most of the violence has been in predominantly Black and Brown communities on the South Side and West Side, which are still far more dangerous than downtown.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/10/29/22751518/downtown-chicago-loop-shootings-murder-river-north

I really think foreigners just don't understand or they think they understand American politics and think they can change us or our laws...amusing...really...

The highest, by the way, is that liberal, democratic stronghold Louisiana.

44% were by suicide and 54% homicide, but that's across an entire State.

Interesting and yet, the highest gun homicide rates are in the biggest bluest cities, concentrated like *Philly, Detroit, DC, Compton, Oakland, Chicago, SF, LA, NYC.

Again, unless the Dems take aggressive action and clean up their own cities, it's just more lib lip service.

Interesting how this article takes pains to mention the race of the Buffalo killer ('white') but doesn't mention the race of the Uvalde killer....wonder why that is?

Also nowhere to be found are the stats on how dangerous these "assault style weapons" really are. First, it is a term with no real definition. Basically it means a scary looking gun that is painted black. Also nowhere is the fact that ALL long guns ("assault" weapons, rifles, shotguns) account for something like only 10% of all gun deaths in the US. Also account for less deaths than knives. Or fists for that matter.

The US has a culture problem. Young men with mental problems are not identified, not treated, and not separated from the society at large. Since men account for over 90% of gun violence, how about we just ban men from acquiring firearms? Guns for women only.

Interesting how this article takes pains to mention the race of the Buffalo killer ('white') but doesn't mention the race of the Uvalde killer....wonder why that is?

or the Tulsa killer.

Tulsa and Texas? "a gunman" and "a gunman".

Buffalo? a 43 word run on sentence with all the narrative talking points.

where a white 18-year-old wearing military gear and livestreaming with a helmet camera opened fire with a rifle at a supermarket in a predominantly Black neighborhood, killing 10 people and wounding three others in what authorities described as “racially motivated violent extremism.”

It's counties, now? Do you know the difference between cities, states and counties?

What? The point is, you have no clue with all do respect, go down to Chicago, or any of these cities I mentioned. You as Non-American are falling for the same trap as the liberals in the rest of the country. You cannot be safe after dark in any of these biggest cities, We are not talking about spread out through an entire nation, we were talking about urban cities were young and old, white collar and blue collar congregate together and work and socialize and some of your heaviest crime rates are concentrated within the cities

I specifically said murder rate. 

As I said, look at the murder rate in the most populous cities

When your elected politicians won't change or enact laws clearly favoured by those who elected them, and they continue to hold on to power? You got me there. Enjoy your violent, dystopian status quo.

Love the country and yes, If people don’t like it which is seemingly the case, don’t move out and move somewhere else, like Florida or Tennessee, where the rule of law does matter.

Biden appeals for tougher gun laws:

Must he plea Congress compassionately to take action against gun violence, to restore a ban on the sale of assault-style weapons?

Why can't he just sign an executive order to ban all gun sales instantly for the good of US?

Does he not have the power?

Very strange..

Surely a call for thoughts and prayers should sort the problem.

But my guess is nothing will happen until the next mass shooting when history will repeat again and again.

I see the issue of guns the same as those about abortion, healthcare and all the other problems in American society, and bogeymen like Muslims and China.

Guns is vastly different than those others because there is a specific part of the US Constitution which makes firearm ownership a "right" equal to freedom of speech, freedom from god, freedom to not self-incriminate, freedom to be secure inside one's home, and all the other rights in the 1st ten amendments.

There is no right to healthcare in the US Constitution. That is a simple law.

There is no right to have or prevent abortions. The current rulings are a compromise of laws which leave plenty of room for debate. I say it isn't a human being until it can survive outside the the mother's body without extraordinary medical aid. Others disagree.

There is no right to own or drive a car in the US Constitution. Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Taking away a "right" is difficult in the US.

China is only a bogeyman from their own actions. The same for Russia. 99.99% of Muslims in the US are fine people. They are welcome and I appreciate their wish for a happy life here and retaining family ties to their original homelands. The same for Chinese, Japanese, European, Latinos, Canadians, Africans and east Indians - if they are in the US legally, welcome. Happy you are here.

Urban areas in every country have more crime than rural areas.

Not like these cities I mentioned for a 1st world nation.

That's what happens when more people live closely together.

But the people in Chicago and Detroit, and Philly and more recently New York City didn’t ask for this, all they wanted was to be to protect it by law-enforcement, since the Democrats defunded law-enforcement, it’s obvious That people would try to do whatever they can to defend themselves and that is one of the reasons why you see an increase in firearms sales.

The difference is that in American cities you're far more likely to be shot and killed in a movie theatre, nightclub, concert, supermarket, shopping mall, park, festival, office, school, car, apartment and so on.

If you live in a low income area, with less law-enforcement present, that is very true, but if you live in the upper income area, where I live and work with, that just won’t happen, so I don’t know that world.

So you can say it's a city problem, and by and large you're right, but those cities are spread across the nation. Blue and red, they all have gun crime.

At the same time I never have to worry about my personal safety, because I don’t live in a city that has high crime or anywhere where there’s very few law-enforcement agencies around

3% of people own over 50% of all the guns in the US. 

What? Who? What stat?

You didn’t know that? Rather telling.

since the Democrats defunded law-enforcement

You live in a cartoon universe.

people would try to do whatever they can to defend themselves 

Assault rifles are not for self-defense. They are for mass slaughter. Please stop going off topic talking about Chicago and lib cities and gang violence.

Not your problem, then. You don't care about your fellow Americans? Why not?

No, it’s not my problem and I do care, but you can’t fix stupidity. Democrats have been voting religiously Democrat for over 70 years and it seems to get worse, they don’t want to try something else to see if there’s a difference, then so be it. That’s on them. I mean seriously, what were they thinking when they thought that they were going to defund the police? Did they actually think crime was going to get better? Did they actually think the black on black crime will go down? Do they think that the gang problem would go away or that the drugs would go away?

So, there are no cops, but there are a lot of cops?

Where I live there a lot of cops, we don’t defund the police quite the opposite, but in blue states and in the cities that I have mentioned yes, you are seeing cops resigning, cashing in and retiring.

And now it's just low-income areas of major cities that are the problem. Cool.

Predominantly

The more the US government creates money from nothing, the more guns are needed.

You live in a cartoon universe.

Tell that to the Democrats please. Took the words right out of my mouth.

people would try to do whatever they can to defend themselves 

Assault rifles are not for self-defense.

That’s your opinion.

They are for mass slaughter.

I disagree.

Please stop going off topic talking about Chicago and lib cities and gang violence.

I wasn’t.

Did the shoppers in Buffalo live in that world?

A blue collar city yes, predominantly

The medical workers in Tulsa?

Same

The elementary schoolers in Uvalde sure as hell didn't.

Again, another blue collar city

That's a problem with branding. Anyway, I don't agree with defunding the police either. I do think their resources could be better allocated, though. Fewer armoured cars and more community out-reach.

Yes, but that’s sadly not going to stop crime

Jeans; you will get no argument from me on that point. The militarization of the police is a huge contributor to misunderstandings, civil rights violations, and over all paranoia. Just look at Uvalde. A town of 15,000 people and they had their own SWAT team? For what? Certainly didn't do them any good last week.

I want to see cops walking a beat, in white shirts, taking off their sunglasses when they interact with people, and not acting as revenue generating machines.

When there is looting and violence in liberal states, Biden is silent. U cannot blame this on guns because the person can kill with a blade, a bat, or a hummer just as many as using guns. If the state does not care to the babies and the unborn, do u think the state cares for your well-being or your life? Do I think the state has your best interests in mind? Canada even passed a law facilitating deaths to those who wish to die, to those who are so poor to live. Just imagine that!