Biden tightens some gun controls; says much more needed

“The idea that we have so many people dying every single day from gun violence in America is a blemish on our character as a nation”

It's not actually an idea. It's a reality.

He announced he is tightening regulations for buyers of “ghost guns” 

Now that’s a new interesting name for 17th century flintlock hobby gun kit. These things must be flooding the streets of Chicago and Baltimore.

“This is not a partisan issue among the American people," Biden insisted.

Disagree with you Joe. Though no doubt there are many who identify as independents, Democrats, centrists, leftists, among others owning guns, I think the greatest opposition to any gun control will continue to come from Republicans and others in the far right. The people fearing 'others' and existence most, the people with the largest arsenals of weapons have long been those in the far right wing of the Republican Party. Republicans have long received the largest political campaign donations from far right groups like the NRA. The far right are the ones threatening 'next civil war' whenever guns issues are even mentioned.

One of the great things about Japan (and insert almost any other country here), people do not grow up thinking it is their right to carry a gun in public. I do hope the US changes. But not holding my breath.

It is unfortunate for people to associate guns with crime.Switzerland one of the more crime-free countries has loads of guns yet nothing happens(Guns like full auto assault weapons that are not allowed in the U.S).Legal guns are there to protect law-abiding citizens from thugs.Crime in USA will not cease to exist.In fact it will get worse

The far right are the ones threatening 'next civil war' whenever guns issues are even mentioned.

When it comes to the 2nd amendment that the left have been trying to encroach in and dismantle bit by but is a threat to every law-abiding gun holder.

But some important and Biden Missing some things: 

IF a licensed seller sells at a gun show, there MUST be a background check. 

IF a private seller sells a non-NFA item at a gun show to another private individual, there isn't a background check.

Aren't familiar with the NFA? You shouldn't offer opinions.

Even Scalia said the right to own a gun doesn’t mean that you can own any gun you please.

There are very large super majorities favoring a number of gun laws.

When the NRA goes away, many GOP REPS will manically discover a conscience (and a pair). Until then the US. Until then, progress may be “limited”.

We do and we have them, it’s just most of them are not strictly enforced.

Any time moves are made to enforce gun laws, gun extremists threaten 'civil war'. Gun extremists have long shown their resistance to even permit discussions of gun laws, which is typical of anti-democracy far rightists.

I am not against guns to protect you and your family, I am against the kind of guns and automatic machine guns that you can buy easily in America. Why are these military style munitions available for the average Joe?

"Biden tightens some gun controls; says much more needed"

Bass: We do and we have [gun laws], it’s just most of them are not strictly enforced.

Which gun laws are not being enforced?

Any time moves are made to enforce gun laws, gun extremists threaten 'civil war'.

So why are law-abiding citizens being punished for Democrat failures to uphold and enforce strict gun laws already on the books? Maybe that’s a bit of an indication.....

Gun extremists have long shown their resistance to even permit discussions of gun laws,

No, opposite, the Dems don’t want to talk about gun laws that are on the books, they want to ignore them as if they don’t exist and then target law-abiding gun orders, so why then should they listen if they don’t want to even acknowledge the problem Of their own failures?

which is typical of anti-democracy far rightists.

Wrong! The right wants to ensure gun rights and democracy, bowing down to the left and their insane ideas is what is anti- democratic.

am against the kind of guns and automatic machine guns that you can buy easily in America.

Ah, the classic sign of someone who knows nothing about guns and existing gun laws. Do please tell me in which state I can buy an “automatic machine gun”.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/7/16617488/air-force-sutherland-springs-texas-church-shooting

Which gun laws are not being enforced?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/7/16617488/air-force-sutherland-springs-texas-church-shooting

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gun-violence-surging-cities-hitting-communities-color-hardest-n1233269

From January to May this year, almost 75 percent of homicide victims were Black, according to the Louisville Police Department.

In Philadelphia, more than 30 people were shot over the Fourth of July weekend and 23 were shot within a 24-hour period. The city has seen a nearly 30 percent jump in homicides from the same time in 2019.

And Dems have aggressively done what?

Do please tell me in which state I can buy an “automatic machine gun”.

You can if it's an old model and very very strict registration.

What's so funny are the Trump 2A NRA evangelical people who worry about having their guns taken away then gladly leave them behind when they come to Japan.

People who think that the answer to the epidemic of mass shootings is NOT stricter gun laws are either completely demented, or receive a paycheck from the NRA. Just follow Australia's example.

I support making it illegal to own assault weapons and a "buyback" of those weapons already in possession. Rifles, shotguns for hunting, pistols for self-protection are enough. Way past time to stop this "gun rights" misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment nonsense.

America loves violence first and guns are something that are convenient to use. One of the issues no one seems to realize is America is brainwashed by the government into thinking violence by way of the military, and by association guns and multi round guns, are necessary and put on a pedestal.

Every time there's a sporting event that promotes military appreciation. Every commercial making the military look like a wonderful career of hero's. Every fly over. They're all making the military a positive glory in the minds of Americans, every day.

When a pretty sideline reporter gushes over military appreciation...thank you for your service and she is smiling sincerely, people stand and cheer. They believe thanking the military is the right thing to do, but it is a brainwashing process, where violence and guns are necessarily great and American's believe it.

It's actually really stupid to believe in violence and killing, but it's ingrained in the American thought process, which gets reinforced further by repeating pledges of allegiance, singing the national anthem and God Bless America with all her religious fervor. Kill for God, country and family is the idea and it's wrong. Religion is another subject, but it gets mixed into everything American to sports, government and the military, and justifies killing, constantly in American mind's.

This all allows for the idea that guns are good because the military uses them and the military is what is allowing for the USA and free world freedom. Guns are a positive instrument for democracy, the constitution, and religion are being filtered in by propaganda noise, but American's are either too stupid or stubborn to realize, so people emulate and want multi round weapons. It's beautiful, right??

The US with 4% of the world's population but 40% of the guns....

Most in the hands of gun zealots who worship them because they are insecure, feel powerless, and are fed a diet of fear and hate by the far-right media machine...

Guns for them serve the same purpose as a pacifier to a baby...

Responsible firearms enthusiasts support common sense gun control - which includes a majority of NRA members...the gun cultists do not...

I was originally going to post that these new measures are so minor that everyone loses. The Left will feel like not much will change, and the Right won't be able to find enough meat on the bone to create outrage within their base.

But, just to be sure, I went to Fox News before posting. Here's the headline: "Absolute Power Grab."

Looks like they're going to try like hell, but this will be out of the Fox headlines within 48 hours.

Much has been written about the "homicidal fantasies" that gun owners entertain. On my honeymoon, my wife and I stayed with a friend in rural California. Water beds were a novelty back then, and our host suggested we sleep on his. I noticed that there were not one but two loaded handguns on the nightstand next to the bed, one of them a snub nose revolver and the other resembling something that Dirty Harry carried. I felt disturbed that in a housing tract in a small town outside a military base, someone would think such things necessary. If so, I would not care to live in such a country

There should be no gun restrictions at all. If people can't handle them then that's their problem but everyone should have the right to defend themselves.

Anyone advocating otherwise wants a fangless population being led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

There should be no gun restrictions at all.

This is wrong, actually.

bass: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/7/16617488/air-force-sutherland-springs-texas-church-shooting

Ah, I see what you're saying now. I think we had a confusion in vocabulary. When I hear, "they aren't enforcing the law" I think of situations where the police know a law is being broken but do nothing about it. Kind of like letting people off the hook. Or when I hear that police aren't enforcing marijuana laws, meaning they search, confiscate, and then release instead of taking the person in.

The two examples from your article are breakdowns in the system. Information was supposed to be sent over but in one case failed to arrive due to confusion about reporting (education) and the other was that the government didn't get the information in time (logistics).

What that means is that you and I are on the same page but with different language. We need much more funding so mistakes like this don't happen again. I'd be willing to pay for it and I'm guessing you would as well.

Your second link is irrelevant to our enforcement conversation so I'll skip it.

There should be no gun restrictions at all. If people can't handle them then that's their problem but everyone should have the right to defend themselves.

With a SAW, a Claymore, a Javelin?

Anyone advocating otherwise wants a fangless population being led by wolves in sheep's clothing.

More "we'll use our guns to overthrow the government"...

2 more mass shootings today in Joe Biden's America.

Courtesy of the NRA and the gun worshippers...

If Biden’s son were to attempt to buy a gun will his daddy’s new law prevent him from breaking the law again? Hope so - only law abiding non-felons should be able to enjoy their second amendment rights.

Non-felons? OK, that means 90% of Trump's administration can't buy a gun...

Bass, still hitting on that drum "it's always the left, trying to destroy the country vs the right being saints?" When in reality, they're both just the same, muricans.

The right wants to ensure gun rights and democracy, 

By "democracy" you must have meant "anarchy." Or... wait. Those storming the capitol must have been leftist antifa, disguised as rightists saint warriors republicans.

Ah, I see what you're saying now. I think we had a confusion in vocabulary. When I hear, "they aren't enforcing the law" I think of situations where the police know a law is being broken but do nothing about it. Kind of like letting people off the hook. Or when I hear that police aren't enforcing marijuana laws, meaning they search, confiscate, and then release instead of taking the person in.

No, they’re just not enforcing the law that’s already on the books. See, short, to the point.

The two examples from your article are breakdowns in the system. Information was supposed to be sent over but in one case failed to arrive due to confusion about reporting (education) and the other was that the government didn't get the information in time (logistics).

Again and please stop deflecting. So once again, most of the highest gun crimes are in the largest metropolitan cities which are run by Democrats with a high minority population so why is it that these incompetent leaders don’t push for tougher reinforcements of the laws already on the books. Keep the rebuttal short please.

What that means is that you and I are on the same page but with different language.

I doubt if. If you were you’d be condemning these leaders that failed these communities

We need much more funding so mistakes like this don't happen again. I'd be willing to pay for it and I'm guessing you would as well.

I already do in taxes and top of that Biden wants to throw away more money for what now?

Your second link is irrelevant to our enforcement conversation so I'll skip it.

Well, of course, why would liberals want to rationally debate the issue?

Lip service for his base, thats about it.

were there not two mass shootings today in the USA?

The fact is that the "gun violence epidemic" in the USA is nothing more than a "black male violence epidemic". Run the numbers yourself. Statistical analysis will show you that the white gun violence rate is virtually identical to the Dutch gun violence rate.

It's informative to observe that people who claim to be so determined to stop gun violence never dare to let themselves think about the causal factor.

Yes, but one wants to erode the 1st and 2nd amendment

So... amendments cannot be amended? Lol.

bass: Again and please stop deflecting. 

Deflecting? I agreed with you that the system needs to be fully funded and fixed for it to work properly. We are both on the same page about that, aren't we?

So once again, most of the highest gun crimes are in the largest metropolitan cities which are run by Democrats 

I asked you to provide examples of lack of enforcement and we found out that we agree on funding the system for it to work. This stuff about black people and Democrats and major cities is just coming out of left field and has nothing to do with the scope of our conversation.

7 year old stats from a dodgy source? Come on man...

Biden would eliminate the first and second amendments if he could - not to mention the fourteenth with his constant race based policies.

And your evidence to support this is....? Or is it something you imagined or feel personally?

https://www.netadvisor.org/2015/11/03/democrat-blue-states-have-46-percent-more-murders-than-republican-red-states/#.YG-0YSXXclQ

These are completely outdated and dubious statistics from a very obvisouly right-wing website.

If you want pure statistics, just use wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Louisiana, Mississipi, Alaska, Missouri all in the top five, along with DC and Puerto Rico. Most states in the top 10 are red states.

Biden is taking this initiative right as black citizens are leading the way in gun purchases in 2020. When the second amendment was adopted slaves could not own guns. Biden does not want law abiding blacks to have a weapon to defend themselves in he blue cities with exploding murder rates and police defunding.

I’m sure the criminals will adhere to Biden’s executive orders and turn in their illegal arms right away. Biden has just fired the silver bullet that will wend gun violence forever. But don’t be surprised when the blue city murder rates continue to increase under his regime.

There should be no gun restrictions at all. If people can't handle them then that's their problem but everyone should have the right to defend themselves

Justify the need of owning a bazooka and assault rifles to defend yourself in the streets of murica.

Biden is taking this initiative right as black citizens are leading the way in gun purchases in 2020.

I'm impressed that Biden's initiatives can go back in time a year.

"The truth about guns" is certainly not a reliable source for any form of unbiased information.

To liberals, probably and that’s why they never learn because they refuse to listen to opposing viewpoints.

The Heritage foundation is a conservative think-tank

Yes, why would I use a liberal think tank? I’m not a liberal, I oppose their emotional and irrational impulsive argument on guns, so I wouldn’t take a liberal view on the position, I’m not a liberal.

Please stop posting links to despisable sources

I feel the same as you about most liberal sites and yet, you guys still post them. A coin has two heads.

To liberals

No, to everyone. There's a reason I didn't post a link to Vox or the Daily Beast. Because I was giving you simple facts, without any cherrypicking or inherent bias.

Yes, why would I use a liberal think tank?

Because you should listen to opposing viewpoints? Just an idea.

I feel the same as you about most liberal sites and yet, you guys still post them. A coin has two heads.

So for you wikipedia" is a "liberal site"? Wikipedia?

Are you actually serious or just trying not to lose an argument?

It's a start, but it is a drop in the bucket of what is needed. I think it will be several generations of rampant violence in the states before public opinion has shifted enough that they can do what actually needs to be done. Not something that can be done at a state-level either, unless you want to start restricting inter-state travel heavily. The strictest gun laws in the world don't mean jack if the next town over has weekly buy-1-get-1-free promos on gun sales.

President Joseph R. Biden

Yes, why would I use a liberal think tank? I’m not a liberal, I oppose their emotional and irrational impulsive argument on guns

And yet you posted in the past that you “love” guns.

Love is about as emotional as it gets. Love can be very irrational too.

My take is loving a device designed to drill holes in living things is very irrational. You can make a rational argument that they are necessary in certain situations, but loving them is something else.

Michael MachidaToday  08:34 am JST

I am not against guns to protect you and your family, I am against the kind of guns and automatic machine guns that you can buy easily in America. Why are these military style munitions available for the average Joe?

"Biden tightens some gun controls; says much more needed"

It's about time. That greedy shrieking blabbermouth thief Wayne LaPierre has stirred up a cultish hysteria for over 30 years with his lies. And he cheered the 1995 OKC bombings too.

The AvengerToday  09:23 am JST

I support making it illegal to own assault weapons and a "buyback" of those weapons already in possession. Rifles, shotguns for hunting, pistols for self-protection are enough. Way past time to stop this "gun rights" misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment nonsense.

When you visit Canada (which I did most recently in 2019) you get asked about firearms. They are very limited and if you're going to be hunting there are specifications and limitations. When some oaf in an eastern province killed a number of people last year, Canada took immediate steps to ban automatic assault weapons altogether. Gun violence is rare in Canada because they're more responsible with guns there.

No, to everyone. There's a reason I didn't post a link to Vox or the Daily Beast. Because I was giving you simple facts, without any cherrypicking or inherent bias.

The same here

Because you should listen to opposing viewpoints? Just an idea.

I do, now please tell liberals and the Democrats to for once I hope they take your advice,

Are you actually serious or just trying not to lose an argument?

Haven't yet. So how is this executive order going to keep America safe? It won’t, but enlighten me.

Except for that whole storming the Capitol Building thing.

Which was wrong, the left made sure they were heard all summer long with all the destruction, which was wrong as well. Both sides got Heard- in the wrong way, but heard nonetheless.

If you want to eliminate gun violence in America fresh new radical idea's are needed that must extend beyond the next century.

I challenge anyone to read the following below. We have politized gun violence to death. Its not a party problem its an American problem and mass shootings and thugs with guns killing others in rich and poor communities must stop. Its not a race on race problem anymore. Its an American on American problem from the start of the country.

Japan does not have mass shootings. Why?

Pretty good read below.

https://www.preventioninstitute.org/focus-areas/preventing-violence-and-reducing-injury/preventing-violence-advocacy

Whos responsible?

Columbus and other early explorers were probably the first Europeans to bring guns to the New World, archaeologists will say.

And the arquebus was a long-barreled, musket-like weapon that was most likely the first personal firearm on mainland America. Hence forth America has been a gun culture.

I agree with Biden as a Republican on this.

“The idea that we have so many people dying every single day from gun violence in America is a blemish on our character as a nation,” Biden said during remarks at the White House.

“America is drowning in guns. Even if they were all banned from midnight tonight, it would probably take a century or two to get them all out of circulation and maybe not even then.”

Stewart Stafford

“The job facing American voters… in the days and years to come is to determine which hearts, minds and souls command those qualities best suited to unify a country rather than further divide it, to heal the wounds of a nation as opposed to aggravate its injuries, and to secure for the next generation a legacy of choices based on informed awareness rather than one of reactions based on unknowing fear.”

 Aberjhani, Illuminated Corners: Collected Essays and Articles Volume I.

I sold some of my collector firearms last year as well had a quite a few destroyed, as I plan to stay in Japan forever.

The same here

No, you actually did the exact opposite. Do you knot realize this? I gave you numbers (facts) without any hin of bias or even explanation. Plain numbers. You gave links to very right-wing websites and opinions in return. How could you possibly claim those are the same?

Again, do you think wikipedia is a "liberal website"? Are you one of those people who think that the truth and facts have a bias?

Slickdrifter I sold some of my collector firearms last year as well had a quite a few destroyed, as I plan to stay in Japan forever.

There's quite a number of sane rational people who collect firearms as a hobby. Lemmy Kilmeister of Motorhead was an avid collector of military firearms, battle helmets, battle flags, dress uniforms, etc. from now gone adversaries incl. the American Civil War Confederacy, Nazi Germany, fascist regimes in Spain and Japan, Imperial China, etc. and he was NOT a fascist or a racist or a supremacist in any way, fashion or form.

Being a weapon collecting hobbyist doesn't make you a hatemongering violent piece of trash.

*No, you actually did the exact opposite. Do you knot realize this? *

Sorry, the Dems have in their cities and their voters have the highest gun crimes that is a fact and if want to have ANY serious discussion on the issue of guns, the left need to acknowledge their cities are way of control when it comes to gun violence especially in minority communities. Why is it that liberals care about gun violence when it comes to limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens but are silent with the out of control gun violence in their cities?

Again, do you think wikipedia is a "liberal website"?

Not the site per say, but the people entering the information, depends

Are you one of those people who think that the truth and facts have a bias?

I want to ask that if all liberals.

When it comes to the 2nd amendment that the left have been trying to encroach in and dismantle bit by but is a threat to every law-abiding gun holder.

But some important and Biden Missing some things: 

IF a licensed seller sells at a gun show, there MUST be a background check. 

IF a private seller sells a non-NFA item at a gun show to another private individual, there isn't a background check.

Aren't familiar with the NFA? You shouldn't offer opinions.

You start at 2nd amendment and veer into NFA, without drawing a connection between the two.

I'm sure you're very knowledgeable of the 2A and don't need to be reminded that it is about maintaining a well-regulated militia. If anything comes close to 2A protection, its street gangs.

I do, now please tell liberals and the Democrats to for once I hope they take your advice,

You literally said that you refuse to read liberal websites.

Sorry, the Dems have in their cities and their voters have the highest gun crimes that is a fact

But it isn't a fact based on the reality we live in. You can claim it's a fact a hundred times, you will still be wrong each and every time. Now why would you possibly think that a city like Compton is dealier than Anchorage, Alaska, when the numbers show that Anchorage has a much higher crime rate per capita?

Why would you claim Chicago is a crime-ridden city when New Orleans, Kansas City or Baton Rouge have a much higher number of murders?

Why?

But it isn't a fact based on the reality we live in.

Yes it is, so why doesn’t the left want to discuss this? They don’t, that’s the reality.

You can claim it's a fact a hundred times,

I don’t claim, go to any major city and give me the stats of gun violence in the minority communities and what do you find for their population numbers when it comes to gun violence? How are cities like South Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, DC, Oakland and Philly?

Why would you claim Chicago is a crime-ridden city

Because it is. How many blacks were killed this year alone. Now I’m not disputing your claim of violence in the cities you mentioned, but given the black community is at 13% of the population, the numbers of gun violence and homicides in their communities is just off the scale.

Why? Why are black on black crimes so high and the left NEVER talk about this, but sidestep the issue and then spout off, we need to get rid of guns? Because it deflects from their own failures and leadership that they never cared about serving the interests or cared about the safety of their own voting constituents.

Why?