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By WILL WEISSERT and MARC LEVY LANCASTER, Pa©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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noriahojanen
Four months away... Is the Trump camp be able to show any game changer? Otherwise Biden would win in a landslide.
stormcrow
Trump's in big trouble. The coronavirus pandemic is running rampant, the economy is in the toilet and the unemployment rate is as bad or worse than in 1929. He needs some kind of a huuuuge turn-around, but that can't happen unless he admits that the coronavirus pandemic is for real and takes proper action . . . but even if he did take action now it looks like it might already be too late. Trump'll probably become more unhinged with each passing day as the reality sets in. The Republicans just might be regretting that they didn't switch to Mitt Romney.
Ah_so
Trump will find it much, much harder this time. He had a simple message last time but his delivery has been found wanting. It is now easier to see him as a weak, emotionally fragile man, who is beginning to break down. See Downfall parody:
https://youtu.be/TrxY7gRfuKw
He still has a degree of fanatical support as well those who will always vote Republican whatever. It won't take much of a swing back to Trump in a handful of states to see him returned, so it is crucial not to take anything for granted.
Serrano
Biden: "Now we have over 120 million dead from COVID."
This guy doesn't instill confidence in me.
PTownsend
Masks are for peasants.
Is this corporation's global headquarters in Italy? Something about America first. hmmm
The Avenger
George Washington: “I cannot tell a lie.”
Donald Trump: “I cannot tell the truth.”
MAGAs: “We cannot tell the difference.”
OK. This would be Wisconsin, where voters were literally forced by the Republican party to choose between their health and their right to vote, refusing them the right to use mail in voting (which Trump himself uses).
The citizens of Wisconsin won't forget that, Trump.
Ah_so
Did Biden get million and thousand muddled up? Big deal. Trump has muddled up the virus disappearing and record numbers of infections.
Pukey2
I'm looking at the photos, and I'm thinking...
That man-child still didn't learn any lessons from his make-up fiasco a while back. If you're going to put orange foundation on your face, put it all over your face, including near your hairline. It's as if he's wearing an orange kabuki mask.
He's also confused the word zero with 120,000 (and counting).
Blacklabel
Biden said 120 million have died from COVID as was stated above. So there is that, conveniently omitted from the article as usual.
Robert Johnson knows whats up
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bet-founder-robert-johnson-democrats-taking-black-voters-for-granted-blm-party
lincolnman
But the guy who said the virus was "contained" and that it "was just one person from China" does?
And yesterday you disagreed with your President when he said he was decreasing testing - you said testing was good and should be increased....
Explain this;
the administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html
ohara
“120 million”. Im starting to really doubt that Biden will even be the candidate.
bass4funk
If you're astonished by that just wait until they start having those 3 debates and watch Biden fumble it ever step of the way.
Blacklabel
Biden has a 74 point lead among Black voters! Biden is great!
Well.....that means 86-14%.
If Trump gets 14% of the Black vote (plus 40%+ of the Hispanic vote), its nite nite for Biden. 4 more years.
Blacklabel
well actually 87-13=74 but its still the same idea.
bass4funk
Exactly! As I have been saying for years and years, liberals are not good at math
Jimizo
I’m a ‘liberal‘ and I’m quite good at maths. You said that Biden would get less than half of the number of black votes that Obama got.
Are you sticking with that?
Sneezy
He won't.
He won't.
Very possibly. I think a depressed turnout thanks to a combination of Covid-19 fears and lack of enthusiasm for Biden could mean it's Trump again. Not happy about it, but as I've been saying, Biden is Trump's best chance. Biden choosing Warren as VP would be a politically savvy move that would boost enthusiasm - which is why I don't think Biden will do it.
bass4funk
Uh-huh...But you can't vote in the US. US election only US citizens can vote, so.....
No, as Blacklabel said, if Trump gets 14% or even 9% Biden is roasted chicken.
bass4funk
Biden won't either because Biden won't and will never defund the police.
Remember Warren is White, so she's just by default out and not qualified.
Sneezy
?? What does defunding the police have to do with it?
This isn't true, though.
Jimizo
Oh, so you are not sticking with that.
Good idea.
ulysses
Couldn't have said it better.
Trump said yesterday that a Navy Frigate would fight on land, sea and air, that's not mixing up numbers, its a serious lack of intelligence!!!
bass4funk
What are you talking about? It has everything to do with Biden. Blacks and the Maxist wing of the party are pushing Biden further to the left and want him to defund the police, No exceptions and Biden won't do that, so on that alone he's going to lose a lot of votes, a lot.
Warren is white, a progressive and doesn't know what she's doing, if she did, she would have won the Democratic nomination, she didn't, but it doesn't matter, she's out of the running and won't come back again, so some mental relief there.
bass4funk
Yes.
Sneezy
To be clear, you think that Biden won't get more than 14% of the black vote because he won't defund the police, but that Trump will get far more than 14% of the black vote because he won't defund the police. Is that right?
None of this disqualifies her as a potential VP candidate - but you said it wouldn't happen because she's white. I don't think Biden won't pick her because she's white. I think he won't pick her because he's tone deaf to what's happening.
lincolnman
BINGO! And Bolton's book certainly underscores this...
Tulsa = "The Emptysburg Address", Arizona = "The COVID Corral"....
Trump think's so Joe - he thinks Pastor Copeland will "blow the virus away"...(he's actually just spreading it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMgcLO9jH4&t=7s
Absolutely true Joe - and two Trump supporters here agree with you...and nice to see they disagree with their President...
Of course, we find out today that Trump did order decreased testing...
The administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html
What will Trump do that they will disagree with next...
nishikat
That's fine. If Trump wins then he wins, but there is strong indication he won't leave even if he loses.
nishikat
Trump implied that Scotland is part of Russia
bass4funk
No, why is it that liberals listen to only the things THEY want to listen to? I said, If Trump gets 14% or even 9% of the vote Biden is pretty much done and especially Biden shot himself in the foot for saying he won't defund the police. Now if he says he does, then he probably might win, but he just won't cross that bridge and let's not forget, a lot of blacks don't like Biden because of his hands being instrumental in writing up the crime bill. Biden destroyed more black lives than any other politician.
Yes, of course! Biden is under pressure to pick someone OTHER than white, black preferably.
lincolnman
Trump supporters, just an easy question;
Trump said this at his Arizona rally;
"I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down please,'
Then the next day after two of his staff members said he was "joking", he said;
"I don't kid, let me just tell you, let me make it clear,"
Then today we see the CDC in fact closing testing facilities;
The administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html
Biden said today;
“Testing unequivocally saves lives, and widespread testing is the key to opening up our economy again
Regarding testing, do you agree with Trump or Biden?
sunfunbun
Why is it Trump followers only want to listen to his demagoguery, of which he is thinks he's the ruling king.
Trump's Kingdumb.
Sneezy
I'm not a liberal.
Rule 19.
Blacklabel
even in polls that keep Trump losing by 7 points -while having scores that only add up to 90 (not 100)- show Trump getting 10-15% of the Black vote and 40% of the Hispanic vote.
According to these polls, Trump is losing in every single state. even Texas, even Georgia. This is all just to set up skepticism when on election day, Trump wins. How could this have happened, he was losing by 15 points yesterday! Its rigged.
No actually he isnt losing now, much less on election day. See the betting odds as proof.
Sneezy
Can you give examples of such polls?
Blacklabel
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/504651-fox-news-polls-trump-biden-neck-and-neck-in-georgia-texas-and-north
Supposedly losing 49-40 in Florida.
Biden holds a similar 2-point lead in North Carolina, where he also leads Trump 47 percent to 45 percent.
The former vice president holds identical support among Black voters in North Carolina (83 percent) as he does in Georgia.
So basically, Trump has 17% of Black voters in both Georgia and NC.
Blacklabel
Supposedly losing 45 to 44 in Texas where is the other 11 percent?)
getting 15% of Black vote and 38% of Hispanic in Texas. as well as winning the white vote.
Blacklabel
look at all the polls for June 25. Most of them barely add up to 90, much less 100.
Nearly all show Biden winning, but conveniently by less than the % needed to add up to 100.
Biden 47-38 winning by +9. (where is the other 15%)
Biden 47-45 winning by +2 (where is the other 8%)
on and on......
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
bass4funk
hmmm......lol
nishikat
Trump people: Would you rather Trump drop out and have a different Republican run? I would be OK with that. Someone more competent and who won't promote Mr. Clean as a treatment for COVID-19? Or who actually thinks Finland is its own country and not part of Russia? What has Trump actually accomplished during his presidency? He hasn't even been able to pass TrumpCare. And 3 miles of wall? Are you serious? He can't even build [NEW] wall.
Sneezy
Are you at all concerned that, aside from “the polls show Trump losing”, none of your analysis is correct?
For example, Trump polled 6% of the black vote in Texas, and 25% of the Hispanic vote - not 15% or 38%.
Does it bother you that you cannot parse “don’t know” or “other” responses to questions as possible, despite the fact that they are answers given in the poll you’re citing?
Here is the poll: https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/Fox_June-20-23-2020_Complete_Texas_Topline_June-25-Release.pdf
Once more, if you were to actually investigate your sources, rather than make wild assumptions, you might be able to parse reality more easily and accurately. Just a little tip, from me to you.
Jimizo
I follow betting odds quite closely. What odds are you talking about here?
Blacklabel
the ones where I cant bet any money on Trump to win at even 1:1 odds.
Yet he is supposedly losing every state.
Sneezy
No response to the substance, as ever. I was hoping at least for a “this poll which I interpreted as accurate when I thought it supported me is now inaccurate when it turns out it doesn’t”. But it’s Friday, I get it. Any weekend plans?
Blacklabel
No its still accurate. Biden is winning in every state by less than the "I dont know" vote.
So you think people who "dont know" by now will vote for Biden? And if Biden has 83% of the Black vote, Trump has the rest as there are no other candidates.
Sneezy
I don’t know who people in “don’t know” will vote for. Neither do they. But you’re the one baselessly assuming that everyone who said “don’t know”, “other” or “wouldn’t vote” will all vote for Trump.
I don’t think Biden will win Texas or Georgia, but I’m also not going “hhHHMMM I’ve looked into a crystal ball and decided that the remaining 9% of black voters will vote for Biden”, which is what you’re doing, but for Trump.
Jimizo
Trump is odds against to win according to many offers I’ve been checking. Biden is odds on. I’ve been checking this quite closely.
What are you waiting for? Get your house on Trump. You’ll more than double your money.
lincolnman
Where are you doing your betting, the Trump Taj Mahal and Casino Atlantic City?
And answer the question; Trump has closed virus testing locations all around the country...
Yesterday you said more testing is good....
Biden has said we need to increase testing...
Who do you agree with, Biden or Trump?
Blacklabel
He obviously hasnt, if the number of positive cases are increasing.
lincolnman
But he said he was directing a decrease in Tulsa...
When his staff said he was joking, he said "I don't kid - let me be clear"....
And today; the administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html
Biden, in the other hand said he was for increased testing...what you said yesterday.
Regarding testing, do you agree with Biden or Trump?
Sneezy
This can also be explained by a greater percentage of the population being infected.
But I'm sure you'll have a reason as to why numbers aren't real. After all, then 6=15 and 25=38, anything is possible!
In Nineteen Eighty Four, Orwell predicted the state would force you to believe that 2+2=5. But here you are, doing it all by yourself. You must be proud.
bass4funk
Not as much as the Don Lemon wants you to think and the other liberal pundits. There is a cautious concern, but not a panic, Hillary had a bigger lead and was way more popular and over 93% the polls had it entirely wrong last time, not to mention they usually tend to favor more Democrat voters, they don't poll in heavily rural areas usually, a small selective group, that includes not only minorities.
Well, the pollsters don't either with all do respect. Funny, I have family crossing 5 States and none of them or people I know were polled, so who are these people that are being polled? Not anyone I know and I know a lot of people.
Uh-huh, they also predicted Hillary would win in a landslide. They also predicted Trump would be impeached and indicted, all the networks did.
Uhhh, please don't tell me about making assumptions, tell liberals not to do that. They have been doing so for the last 4 years.
bass4funk
Again, Biden won't defund the police, a huge chunk of blacks will not vote for him. It's really that simple and that's what they want and Biden is not going to do that. He's taking a huge gamble with this, but he knows the ultimate ramifications if he does. Meanwhile. Trump will get all those law enforcement groups, at least the overwhelming majority of them.
Blacklabel
Biden only got 67% of the votes in the Dem primary in New York.......as the only candidate left.
Sneezy
There were actually ten other candidates on the ballot.
Serrano
Im starting to really doubt that Biden will even be the candidate.
Well, you know we still have this corrupt, powerful Democrat who has managed to stay out of prison and badly wants to be president still lurking... don't rule it out!
wait until they start having those 3 debates and watch Biden fumble it ever step of the way.
I doubt there will be three debates. Biden's not going to make it through the first one.
He won't.
He will. He'll get more than that.
if Biden has 83% of the Black vote, Trump has the rest ( 17% ) as there are no other candidates.
There are other candidates but none of them will have a chance to win. No Ross Perots out there in 2020.
So let's say Trump gets even just 15% of the black vote. He won 2016 with just 8%. Oh my!
Sneezy
He won't. As above, you guys are reading "6%" and magical-braining it into "15%".
Blacklabel
who all quit long ago to clear the way for Joe. Biden couldnt even get those votes, he is in trouble.
Do you know how unhappy people have to be with the choice of Biden to still go vote for someone who isnt even running anymore? hundreds of thousands of people voted against him, in the Dem primary.
Blacklabel
So all the "I dont know" people plus all the Black people not voting for Joe, are not Black, by his decree.
So in the end Trump gets 0% of the "Black vote", right? I take back my previous claim of 15-20% of the Black vote going to Trump. Its zero.
Blacklabel
no they are more likely to stay home, sorry.
Sneezy
They're more likely to vote for Biden than stay home; there are a significant number who will, though. That's Trump's biggest hope: people not voting. That's what I've consistently said. Biden was a huge mistake.
Sneezy
This is a poll from Fox News.
What is the error? Point to it.
Blacklabel
Washington Post wrote a whole article about it. Sanders voters who voted for Trump won him the election.
Sanders - Trump voters…
WI: 51k
MI: 47k
PA: 116k
Trump win margin…
WI: 22k
MI: 10k
PA: 44k
Blacklabel
IS a huge mistake. But still time to correct it.
can make that change instead of being tricked by polls trying to tell us Biden is winning every state and that he has the "Black vote" when he doesnt. Video I saw today, Biden forgot Obama's name. He said "President......ummmmm.....my boss"
Sneezy
You miss Morris' follow-up tweet that reads:
(*WARNING: Number of cases here is pretty small -- often less than 200 in each group. Margin of error is thus very large)
?
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/900388382551015424
Sneezy
No poll claims this.
He does. You're the one trying to say that Trump has the black vote on the basis that 6=15.
Serrano
That's Trump's biggest hope: people not voting.
Trump's hoping Biden voters won't vote twice.
Biden was a huge mistake.
Why, what's wrong with Biden? What's a few gaffes?
Sneezy
He doesn't understand what the country needs. Trump is worse, as he actually goes in the wrong direction. The pre-Trump era was a little “better” than the Trump era, but it was still bad. It’s what led to Trump. The US needs radical change towards economic and social justice. Biden is suggesting minor tweaks.
Blacklabel
there is no one advocating that we do less testing. So Biden's position is unremarkable.
He also probably thinks we are talking about tests for people to enter college.
Serrano
I don't know if Biden looks sillier with the mask hanging down below his chin or when he wears it hanging off one ear.
You're the one trying to say that Trump has the black vote on the basis that 6=15.
What makes you think Trump is going to get a lower percentage of the black vote than he did in 2016?
I've seen polls in past months that had black support for Trump as high as 34%.
I don't think he'll get anywhere near 34% of the black vote in Nov. but he's definitely going to get way more than in 2016, as a lot of blacks have woken up to the fact that Biden and the Democrats are not the best choice .
lincolnman
Well, looks like Trump supporter Rosanne Barr has Trump figured out....
*In a bizarre one-minute video making the rounds on social media Thursday, the comedian and disgraced television star announces her intent to “just throw out one idea,” adding commentary about her fraught relationship with the public before ultimately proclaiming, “*Hear me when I say this: Trump is, in my opinion, the first woman president of the United States.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roseanne-barr-donald-trump-first-woman-president-of-the-united-states-185444921.html
And as a solid Trump supporter, I'm sure all of Team Trump believes her....
So maybe its not Donald, but Denise?
Serrano
trump-seems-resigned-biden-win-
Har! Tell me another one! :D
lincolnman
What? Trump said;
I said to my people, 'Slow the testing down please,
And today, the CDC did what Trump told them to;
the administration is following through on Trump’s orders to slow down testing. The Department of Health and Human Services has announced it will pull funding from more than a dozen drive-through testing sites across five states, including Texas, at the end of the month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-follows-threat-slow-testing-163220493.html
Trump is ordering decreased testing and closing testing centers...
On the other hand, you have said multiple times here and on different threads that increased testing is good...
Joe Biden says the same thing - so you and Biden agree - and you disagree with Trump...
There, that wasn't hard, was it?
bass4funk
But it definitely won't be Biden
Serrano
Biden supports Obamacare which has been a disaster with so many people's premiums going up and /or coverage going down.
Sneezy
Yeah, we need single-player healthcare.
Serrano
The Democrats want to create a welfare state where everyone is dependent on the government, and they want to take your guns away too.
Sneezy
That isn't true.
I don't care about guns: I think they're bad and want them gone. I'm sick of all the murders and school massacres. No children should be sacrificed so that cowards can walk around pretending to be Rambo.
nishikat
Trump supports TrumpCare. And it's a complete failure, like his 3 mile [New] wall.
Serrano
“There are no miracles coming,” Biden said. “We’re going to have to step up as Americans, all of us, and do the simple things and the hard things to keep our families safe and reopen our economy and to eventually put this pandemic behind us — and without responsible leadership coming out of the White House."
Biden needs to go back to bed for awhile.
Sneezy
What was it you said? "What's a few gaffes?"
This is the issue with Trump cultists. You will support anything he says, even if it contradicts what you've previously said, or what he's previously said, because you fundamentally don't believe in anything, other than "I like being on the winning team".
You can't respond adequately to facts, as blacklabel has shown. You can't adequately respond to consistent belief, as you demonstrate by ignoring my posts that show a firm and clear position.
I'd honestly respect you all a lot more if you just came clean and said, "being a Republican is a key part of my identity, and I will support them no matter what".
Blacklabel
Joe Biden: “120M dead from Covid” and Joe also said 150M dead from gun deaths since 2007.
According to Joe 82.3% of Americans are now dead.
Which is bad news for Republicans bc 100% of dead people who vote vote Democrat.
twitter gold!
Blacklabel
im not even a Republican. Most republicans in office and previous “icons” are total losers. Their supporters deserve someone great like Trump to show them the way.
bass4funk
That will never happen.
Again, that will NEVER happen and that's a promise.
Failed Democrat policies. failed education, failed society.