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Biden woos skeptical Sanders backers on health, college debt

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By WILL WEISSERT, ALEXANDRA JAFFE and BILL BARROW

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I know very few Bernie supporters who can hold their noses and vote for Biden. America, land of invention and home to the most Nobel laureates and Biden and Trump are the best choices we have to lead our nation?!!

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I know very few Bernie supporters who

Anecdote backatcha: The Bernie supporters I know say anyone but Trump. The Bernie supporters I know are pro-democracy, vehemently opposed to Trump's brand of corporatist authoritarianism / authoritarian capitalism / national socialism. They've seen how those systems work in China and Russia and want nothing to do with them.

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forgive college debt for millions of Americans

That would piss off the millions of Americans who worked to pay off their college debts including me.

Trump will probably get 15-20% of Bernie supporters. Technically Biden should be getting 100% of them.

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Just like last time. Bernie bros say anyone but Trump. Then don’t bother to go vote.

a bro said it best yesterday. There are 2 busses both going the wrong destination. One going there fast (Trump) and one more slowly (Biden). So just don’t get on the bus, at all- there is no point.

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Trump will probably get 15-20% of Bernie supporters.

Lots of time between now and November for the 'misinformations' ('It's not a pandemic' vs 'I said all along it was a pandemic') and poor decisions made by Trump and admin to be even more clearly shown. Lots of time between now and November for Trump and admin to mess up even worse.

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Biden taking all of Bernies positions to placate the bros is a huge mistake.

If people wanted those positions, Bernie would have been the nominee.

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That would piss off the millions of Americans who worked to pay off their college debts including me.

Oh no! How about the millions of Americans pissed off because banks, airlines, and other huge corporations have and will receive billions in bailouts? Is that a reason to not bailout those entities?

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Simple. The existence of these corporations gives people employment and provides needed services. Benefits everyone and the overall economy long term. .

your college getting paid off after you already agreed to pay it yourself only benefits your wallet in short term.

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Do you prefer that there are no banks or airlines in our country and our economy? Don’t these places create jobs, employ citizens and generate revenue for our country worldwide?

how does 30 trillion for everyone’s free college help the economy again?

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Anecdote backatcha: The Bernie supporters I know say anyone but Trump.

This is why the Democrats will lose because of that very statement. So instead of trying to find a candidate that’s appealing to everyone and that believes in big government and socialism and wanting huge entitlements, they just want to settle on anyone that can beat Trump, the issues don’t matter, Trump is the problem and in being that desperate, it will be their political downfall.

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Well, I have to admit - I'm worried.

Bernie's folks are die-hard socialists - and Trump and the Repub party have shown they are the most socialist administration in our history; huge subsidies for farmers, the largest government socialist bailout ever - with another on the horizon....

Biden's a committed conservative to these folks, so I could see them going to Trump and the Repubs as socialist brothers and sisters...

On the other hand, conservatives who have choked on all the socialist policies of the Trump admin will jump ship and vote for Biden who will be the only conservative in the race...

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The Bernie supporters I know say anyone but Trump. The Bernie supporters I know are pro-democracy, vehemently opposed to Trump's brand of corporatist authoritarianism / authoritarian capitalism / national socialism. They've seen how those systems work in China and Russia and want nothing to do with them.

The Bernie supporters I know are talking about donning their Antifa gear and throwing molotov cocktails (they call it 'storming the Bastille') in riots because Bernie lost in a democratic primary process.

That is, they're anything but democratic, but crypto-communists don't really believe in democracy anyway.

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Trump supporters were talking about his jump in the polls the other day. The average of the polls now has him sinking.

Keep an eye on this...

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The main problem with Biden is that he has backed himself into a corner to have to pick a female VP who is likely black. But he already has the black female vote and doesnt need a VP pick to get it.

But his insistence on identity politics will force him to not be able to pick someone who can help expand his voting base or to win a swing state.

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After Trump's continuing debacle with the virus and now the smoking black hole that is the economy, the only Repub that would have even the slightest chance against Biden is Nikki Haley...

McConnell better get her on the phone ASAP...

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Can’t see how the furthest Left flank of the Dem party are going to be enthusiastic about an old establishment corporatist like Biden.

When the alternative is Trump, an extreme far right politician pushing to undermine systems the republic was built on, they may not be enthusiastic. However, I think most will hold their noses and say anyone but Vector 1. And his family. And the global elite backing him. The virus is showing the price the world is paying for 'leaders' like Trump continuing the fossilized global economy.

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But his insistence on identity politics will force him to not be able to pick someone who can help expand his voting base or to win a swing state.

Yeah! It’s definitely identity politics and not an attempt to ensure half of the country is represented by someone of the same biological sex.

At least he has the integrity to be registered with the party to which he identifies.

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Trump supporters were talking about his jump in the polls the other day. The average of the polls now has him sinking.

They simply didn’t know that every president in a crisis received a patriotic bump in poll numbers. Should be fun to watch them start disparaging polls again now that their boy is losing support.

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So what happened to rallying around the flag? Did Dems randomly stop that before the crisis is over?

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The polls aren’t that bad. Reuters and Politico doing their best to drive the RCP approval average down. 45.2 approval to 50.4 disapproval. even with -10 and -13 from those 2 liberal polls.

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Liberals claimed Trump approval was up because liberals were agreeing to say they approved of him only to “rally around the flag” in time of crisis. It wasn’t real, they said.

but now that his approval is down (only 2 points due to 2 outlier polls), same people saying the lower numbers are now real.

if it’s now “real” approval why did liberals stop rallying around the flag? The crisis isn’t over.

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Also keep in mind that 7% of people who disapproved of Trump voted for him in 2016 anyway. That was when no one even knew what he would do and he had no accomplishments to run on.

Biden won’t get those disapproval type votes.

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@blacklabReuters and Politico doing their best to drive the RCP approval average down

Are they doing so by reporting on what Trump does, doesn't do and says? Pretty much the job of a free, for-profit press. And while the outlets mentioned are doing their jobs, Trump's media outlets are doing theirs.

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Liberals claimed Trump approval was up because liberals were agreeing to say they approved of him only to “rally around the flag” in time of crisis. It wasn’t real, they said. 

but now that his approval is down (only 2 points due to 2 outlier polls), same people saying the lower numbers are now real.

Rasmussen, the poll Trump supporters used to tout as the gold standard, has seen Trump drop from 52 approval to 46 over the last month or so.

I was told by Trump supporters that this is the poll they trusted most.

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Yet he was still elected in 2016 with supposed 61 percent disapproval.

so where does your “bump” come from and by default a bump is temporary and not real.

Who are those people then and why did they stop rallying around the flag? why won’t liberals rally around the flag too?

Any literate person has known what Donny does and doesn’t do since at least the 1970s.

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That was when no one even knew what he would do and he had no accomplishments to run on.

And he still doesn't.

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Bernie's folks are die-hard socialists - and Trump and the Repub party have shown they are the most socialist administration in our history; huge subsidies for farmers, the largest government socialist bailout ever - with another on the horizon....

No. republicans are nowhere near socialist, now to borrow temporary aid from the government, does not make you a socialist, just like buying a beer or two doesn’t make you an alcoholic, but occasionally you want a drink and on occasions we need help (as in this situation) from the federal government, but that is not the norm and should never be.

Biden's a committed conservative to these folks, so I could see them going to Trump and the Repubs as socialist brothers and sisters...

On the other hand, conservatives who have choked on all the socialist policies of the Trump admin will jump ship and vote for Biden who will be the only conservative in the race.

I don’t think I have laughed that hard in eight years. Funny!

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Yep and none of you said a word when every single poll in the RCP average was higher than Rasmussen.

rasmussen is right at the RCP average there are still others higher.

again what you don’t get us if his national disapproval is only 50.4 percent, he wins. People “disapprove” but still vote for him plus that average includes outliers such as CA and NY.

Rasmussen, the poll Trump supporters used to tout as the gold standard, has seen Trump drop from 52 approval to 46 over the last month or so.

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Rasmussen, the poll Trump supporters used to tout as the gold standard, has seen Trump drop from 52 approval to 46 over the last month or so. 

Yes, There was a drop, but Paul’s to fluctuate indigo up and they go down and with this president they have been throughout his presidency pretty consistent, and as I said before, as long as he doesn’t dip in the 20s, he’s OK, so there’s no problem with the fluctuation that’s normal for every president or politician.

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Yes, There was a drop, but Paul’s to fluctuate indigo up

Good point.

My point is ratings fluctuate down not trusted libs typical ROFL

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Bernie's folks are die-hard socialists - and Trump and the Repub party have shown they are the most socialist administration in our history; huge subsidies for farmers, the largest government socialist bailout ever - with another on the horizon....

No. republicans are nowhere near socialist, now to borrow temporary aid from the government, does not make you a socialist, just like buying a beer or two doesn’t make you an alcoholic, but occasionally you want a drink and on occasions we need help (as in this situation) from the federal government, but that is not the norm and should never be.

What? You admitted these policies were "short term socialist" - just check your archive. Trump and the Repubs sponsored the largest government socialist bailout in our history - and are keying up another one! Karl Marx would be proud of them.

Biden's a committed conservative to these folks, so I could see them going to Trump and the Repubs as socialist brothers and sisters...

On the other hand, conservatives who have choked on all the socialist policies of the Trump admin will jump ship and vote for Biden who will be the only conservative in the race.

I don’t think I have laughed that hard in eight years. Funny!

Well you evidently haven't been watching Trump's daily briefings - they're comedy gold...

Bye-Don 2020...

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Biden woos skeptical Sanders backers on health, college debt

Biden is going to have an awfully hard time wooing Sanders voters. Biden is the epitome of establishment. And don’t forget he just got accused by Tara Reade of forcibly penetrating her with his fingers back in the 90’s. Kavanaugh’s accuser was way back in the 80’s and his supposed offense was much less severe. The Left went wild over that accusation. Gonna be a tough ride for Biden with the social justice warriors this Fall.

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@bass: No. republicans are nowhere near socialist

No, Republicans are indeed leaning socialist. A nation doesn’t run up $23 trillion in debt under presidents of both parties without help from the opposition. Republicans and conservatives are not synonymous anymore.

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No, Republicans are indeed leaning socialist. A nation doesn’t run up $23 trillion in debt under presidents of both parties without help from the opposition. Republicans and conservatives are not synonymous anymore.

Again, a thumbs-up for not throwing your principle of fiscal conservatism out of the window as many Trump supporters did.

Much respect to you.

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Biden's two biggest problems is: (1) how to win over the Sanders supporters; and (2) how to backpedal away from his committment to picking a woman VP.

I can see the Bernie supporters rioting and disrupting the Democrat Convention demanding Bernie to be the VP nominee. It's going to be a mighty interesting brokered Convention.

A Biden-Sanders ticket would be the the Democrat voters' dream team, but the DNC committee leaders, delegates and super-delegates would not allow that. (AOC would satisfy Biden's prerequisite for a woman VP but she too bad she is ineligible to be VP in 2020)

Biden has painted himself in a corner, but that's the way the chinese cookie crumbles..

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What? You admitted these policies were "short term socialist" - just check your archive. Trump and the Repubs sponsored the largest government socialist bailout in our history - and are keying up another one! Karl Marx would be proud of them.

Yes, it is short term because it’s not permanent, now if we change from a capitalist to a socialist system then you guys and toot the horn, otherwise this government intervention or printing more money we don’t really have or kicking the can down the road is not the long term answer. So once we can get the clear light, certain industries need to get back to work because capitalism is the driving economic fuel for us.

Well you evidently haven't been watching Trump's daily briefings - they're comedy gold...

I have, the media slap downs are the best. Lol

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Serrano:. That would piss off the millions of Americans who worked to pay off their college debts including me.

Why? I paid off my loans and it wouldn't piss me off at all. Besides, college was half the cost when I went and I suspect it was the same for you.

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kicking the can down the road is not the long term answer

So what has Trump been doing for the last 3 years piling on the debt?

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