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Clinton makes a false statement and a true one here.

`You gave them eight years to dig this hole, and to double the debt of the country

Nonsense, the hole was dug over 30 plus years, including his time in office. And the problem is not the "debt of the country" as he means it (ie. government debt), the problem is the level of private debt. The money supply was expanded to unsustainable levels.

Two-thirds of the stimulus was not designed to get us out of the hole. It was designed to help us tread water so we didn’t drown.

100% actually, but he is right. A desperate attempt to cover for the loss of private spending. The problem is that is not how it was sold, it was sold as a "Keynesian" stimulus to get the economy moving again. They over-promised and under-delivered, either because they didn't understand the situation (not good) or because their priority is marketing and PR (really not good).

And people can argue whether it makes any sense for Americans to now turn around and vote Republican, but you can't argue the point that is unfair to expect the average voter to understand the economic details and mumbo-jumbo and why the stimulus didn't stimulate.

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Libs never take any responsibility = expect Republicans and Democrats to be voted out.

Time for change like Obama promised.

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I like Clinton. Sure, he should have been tossed out of office. But despite his breaking the law and losing his license, he was a pretty good President. When it came down to it, he certainly put America first. Obama though, does not. If it was Hillary in the White House, and we were struggling, I would be inclined to give her a full 4 years. But its Obama, and everything he has done, seems designed to hurt the country. From his "Porkulus Maximus" bill, to his health care scam, to his rewriting of bank regulations, that instead add burdensome regulations on every single business in the country. No, I'm not inclined to give Dems more time. Even if its Clinton asking. Obama needs a check in Congress. He needs to be forced to work with Republicans, not be able to push his own agenda on America, the way he has been doing for the past 2 years.

In point of fact, Clinton didn't really become a good President, until the Dems lost the house in 94. I actually hold out a little hope that Obama might turn things around, and become a decent President, despite how terrible his first term has been. But he needs to lose the congress, and realize he cannot dictate everything.

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It's time for the reps to oust the dems from congress to seat on the recovering economy and claim it their own success. Next step is to oust Obama, re-deregulate again.

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Obamanomics is a failure: Failure that has sent three of his four economic advisers heading for the hills.

Peter Orszag -- boom -- writing articles critical of Obamanomics from the NY Times editorial desk;

Christina Romer -- boom -- returned to Berkley to teach the elements of failed Obamanomics policy;

Larry Summers -- boom -- returning to Harvard to lecture on the implementation of failed Obamanomics policy.

Left of the four is Tim Geithner; a guy who has trouble remembering to fill out a tax return.

RR

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Bill Clinton asks voters to give Dems more time

Sure, only if we love a government reported unemployment figure of nearly 10 percent (the real figure is actually higher) and the most jobs lost since 1940 under Obama's watch. That's what a democrat-controlled government have given us.

RR

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Obama election was a gift for the republicans. They could blame Obama for not doing enough to recover growth while declining any responsibility for the making.

RRII: That's what a democrat-controlled government have given us.

That's what they inherited (on their will)

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I don't if some of the above posters realize it, but you won't be voting for the POTUS this November. And it was always stupid just to vote for someone because of a D or an R next to their name. How about knowing something about the people running? BOTH of them.

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"two more years"

Bill Clinton don't know what he be talkin' about. It's gonna take most of President Obama's two terms to fix the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld mess, lol.

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The Popular Front for the Liberation of America and the American People's Popular Front are fighting it out with the People's Popular Liberation Front, while China looks on, shaking its head and chuckling.

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Obama and the Dems have produced significant positive outcomes that will be felt for years in the areas of healthcare and financial regulations. Notice conservatives don't give a damn about Americans' health or healthcare bills - the only real effort, action and results in this area have come from Democratic presidents. Financial regulations have been another area where the GOP has failed - bush's govt. loosened them, cut taxes and promised a jobs boom. The result was a massive global recession, the rich getting richer and the lowest jobs growth rate under any president for 50 years. The real enemies of America is the GOP and those who think that voting for more failed, economically disastrous GOP policy is a good idea.

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Obama and the Dems have produced significant positive outcomes that will be felt for years in the areas of healthcare and financial regulations.

Not a single Democrat campaigning at the moment is running on the supposed achievement of ObamaCare.

Not one.

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I think the dems have had plenty of time to prove that they don't have a clue to what's going on...

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OK Bill. In about two years time the NWO will have an even stronger hold on society. You frauds should have had the USs problems fixed ages ago. I`m sure the sheeple will listen to you. Wake up America time is running out.

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The majority of voters will vote on their values and principles. The Democrats did not listen to their constituents when it came to the health care reform issue. The Democrats thought that since Obama is not GB people will accept whatever they signed into bill. Because the elected representatives, senators, and president knows what is best for the voters. The Democrats went against the voters. The bill was done behind closed doors and deals were made and the bill was signed.

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If the majority of Americans vote to hand back control of their government to the GOP - the same party that largely created the nightmare economic and social conditions it then dumped on Obama's plate - damn..you had better be prepared to live with the consequences.

The GOP is talking themselves up as though they are fiscal conservatives - right after blowing $6 trillion - more than any government in history.

Right now, there's millions of conservatives who are actually buying this concept.

That's scary enough as it is.

Then there's the kookie ones in the tea party, who, together with the GOP, are just one big angry deluded bunch of faux 'America/freedom/low-tax -lovin'' individuals all slurping from one massive trough of Kool-Aid.

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SushiSake3,

Democrats were in control of congress from 2007. You are doing an Obama.

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Sushisake3, mate, you need to have a smoko, chill a bit, and put down the NY Times. Few in America any longer believe that the Obama crew have the slightest clue about jobs and wealth creation. It is getting scary. People are genuinely freaked. The Dems have nearly quadrupled the deficit. These people are out of control on spending. November is going to be a bloodbath.

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If the majority of Americans vote to hand back control of their government to the GOP - the same party that largely created the nightmare economic and social conditions it then dumped on Obama's plate - damn..you had better be prepared to live with the consequences.

lol, considering what we're having to deal with now, with Obamas socialist agenda, and rank incompetence. Yeah, I think we can handle having an actual congress to balance out his stupidity, rather then one that just rubber stamps his agenda.

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MisterCreosote, you're another one to add to the long list of Americans who are either incapable or unable to understand where the fiscal nightmare came from.

Consider if someone sells to a smashed up car. You are implying that people are geting freaked out because they won't be able to drive it to work tomorrow.

Of course they won't be able to - it's smashed up.

Ditto the U.S. economy that was handed to Obama.

Surely you can understand that.

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Look, Sushisake3, I don't know why you need to barrack for Obama and his party.(Sorry, corny pun my Aussie friend made when Obama was on the campaign trail). That's your business. But as an American I can tell you the majority of us readily admit that his administration did, yes, "inherit" a fiscal mess. It was a mess all of us Americans made. Both parties share in its making. But what is also clear to the majority now is that rather than solve the problem Obama and Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod and Co tried to exploit it. And now you see all his economic advisers quitting. There is a link. He has lost the country's trust. The Woodward book that came out the other day paints the pic of a dysfunctional bunch ideologues at war with middle America. It was all there, for those who had eyes to see. Sorry you got fooled. But as an Australian you couldn't vote for him so I am not blaming you or taunting you like I do my American friends and coworkers who fell for the hopey and changey silliness. In a way though, Obama has been the best thing to happen to Republicans and - even more encouraging - to the Libertarian movement in my country in decades. I am eager for November not because I want to see a huge reversal in the House and Senate (though I would welcome it)but because I want to see that the checks and balances built into the system still work.

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I am not an American, but from my viewpoint, Obama and the Cemocrats are a disaster. I think it is great that America now has the maturity to elect someone of any ethnic origins, but Obama is a disaster. To me, he talks like a Marxist and is also beginning to act like one. Anyone who disagrees with him gets the boot. He and the Democrats seem to control massive swathes of the US mass media, and certainly Hollywood is in their pockets. The latter speaks volumes about the state of America today.

I see a once great nation gpoing down the plughole under the Obama regime. I sincerely hope the Democratic Party gets the trouncing it deserves in November, followed in 2 yearstime by the ousting of the "Great Leader" himself. A president who sees to it that a British teenager is banned for life from his country for daring to criticise the President in an email to the White House is not a president that the worlds greatest democracy (formerly) should have.

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I am kind of enjoying reading the mess of an economic policy proposed by the GOP. What a mess. There's an old saying: as bad as things are they can always get worse. Pass through those policies and things will be much, much worse....

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Sushi: "Obama and the Dems have produced significant positive outcomes that will be felt for years"

It'll take years to pay off the debt, that's for sure. Many more years than it would have taken to pay off the debt as it stood in January 2009.

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****Conservative and independants' angst at Obama is getting into hysteria territory now.

With the last president, we saw billions of dollars siphoned off overseas into foregn wars and to fund holidays and pad the bank accounts of people who had more than enough money.

Conservatives were down with that.

Now, we've got a president who has pumped unprecedented amounts of money into America, shut down 1 foreign war and is attempting to bring another one to a close.

This president has pumped previously unseen amounts of money into healthcare for Americans, into developing eco-friendly energy sources, into developing technology to make America a world leader in renewable energy, electric vehicles, solar power, wind turbines, batteries, the list goes on.

He has also passed a bill to rein in the tactics of finance industry cowboys, manyof the same ones who brought the global economy to its knees.

But Conservatives - and many independants - aren't down with that.

No, now we're seeing hysteria break out in the ranks of Conservatives and independants those don't really give a damn about their country.

Yes, they'll holler on like they do, but it's easy to read their real intents - to take America back to the past GOP-led years that saw the crippling of the only superpower left on Earth.

We hear lots of talk 'lower taxes!' and 'cut debt!' and 'more freedom!'

But do we hear any real, workable, credible ideas to rein in the debt and right the economy?

No.

Conservatives - and many independants - are as lost as ever, and have resorted to waving signboards and shouting slogans when commanded to by Right wing media hosts.

What. A. Joke.

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"Conservatives were down with that." Man, you try so hard to sound American. It's funny. I like how you rail against the Republicans, but then refer to them in the same affectionate way Rotarians do: "the GOP." Classic.

"Now, we've got a president who has pumped unprecedented amounts of money into America, shut down 1 foreign war and is attempting to bring another one to a close."

Who is "we" in this post? And whose money has he "pumped" into not the economy but the bureaucracies?

The taxpayers.

The only joke I see is people who look at the tea party movement and try to to tell themselves it is being orchestrated by Fox News .

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Well, what can I say? Bill is right. Just like Colin Powell is right.

I read the posts above, and it is like someone rang a bell and the far right hacks come out swinging on Obama this and that.... again. I thought it was just TimRussert, but it is all of you. No memory, no free will, just a bunch of slogans and accusations and 24/7 "Obama is the debil!"

As usual, Bill Clinton wants people to calm down and look at the big picture. He just wants people to be reasonable... no accusations or recrimination... just like Colin Powell.

But the right will have nothing to do with it. Look. Arguing is a waste of time. The right does not get it. Apparently FOX has lowered their IQ and changed their DNA permanently. The GOP will have to abandon reason or abandon the Tea Party, and we know it has already made that choice.

So what do MODERATE people think about what Bill has to say?

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The tp is clearly a GOP movement. Any attempt to portray otherwise us laughable. The ideas they are pumping are serious economic bad news. Anyway, the house is about to flip again, so back to gridlock it is.

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About the only ones who will benefit from a GOP win are the suppliers of massive amounts of Kool-Ade to GOP HQ. :-)

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Ummmm

So what do MODERATE people think about what Bill has to say?

Bill said from the article.

“If we’re wrong, throw us all out.

Bye, Bye

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The tp is clearly a GOP movement. Any attempt to portray otherwise us laughable. The ideas they are pumping are serious economic bad news. Anyway, the house is about to flip again, so back to gridlock it is.

lol, so they were racist, now they're just a part of the GOP. So funny.

About the only ones who will benefit from a GOP win are the suppliers of massive amounts of Kool-Ade to GOP HQ.

Well them, and all Americans that actually care about their country. People who hate America, and want to make it into just another socialist country, well they'll be disappointed, but if they really want that, they are welcome to move to Europe.

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So what do MODERATE people think about what Bill has to say?

You're no more moderate than I am. (But I'm WAY more honest.)

Rather than making a dishonest cut in Bill's quote, here's the passage in full: "If we’re wrong, throw us all out. But don’t bring back the people that dug the hole."

What hole is Bill referring to? Honest people can relate that in the preceeding passage: "I think the Democrats ought to stand up and say ... 'You gave them [Republicans] eight years to dig this hole, and to double the debt of the country, and not to produce any jobs, and then to have a financial collapse and all this calamity. At least give us four to dig out of it,’" Clinton said.

You see, conservatives who try to deceive others by posing as "moderates" may only be fooling themselves.

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SushiSake3: bush's govt. loosened them, cut taxes and promised a jobs boom. The result was a massive global recession

More "victory mosque" talk, I see.

Consider if someone sells to a smashed up car. You are implying that people are geting freaked out because they won't be able to drive it to work tomorrow. Of course they won't be able to - it's smashed up. Ditto the U.S. economy that was handed to Obama.

Well imagine that you take it to a repair shop and they say they can fix it. Two years in and they're still complaining about the guy who smashed it without fixing anything. You could call Obama the owner of that shop.

I like all of the other things that Obama has accomplished, especially the healthcare, but at the end of the day what Americans need most right now are jobs. And when I see Democrats campaigning on the platform that you don't want to "let the GOP back in" or "give us more time" it tells me that they really don't have a plan or else they wouldn't be saying such things.

Criticizing Obama doesn't make you an ultra right wing conservative. There are plenty of us who voted for him who expect more. That's reasonable. I'll be voting democrat as usual but I expect something, anything from them as opposed to simply attacking the GOP or asking for more time.

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You're no more moderate than I am. (But I'm WAY more honest.)

Rather than making a dishonest cut in Bill's quote, here's the passage in full: "If we’re wrong, throw us all out. But don’t bring back the people that dug the hole."

Ummm......'Throw us all out' means just that and electing people that dug us in the hole means both democrats and republicans, or you might have missed the latest liberal meme of the tea party electing 'extremist's' instead of 'moderates' in the party and decrying as such "boo hoo Karl Rove"

No thanks I'd rather see us elect 'tea party extremist's, to fix the elitist mess from both parties and November we our take the country back........ Get use to it, Yabits

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Conservatives and right-swinging independants have been slowly but surely buying the spin sold to them by the right wing media. The evidence is clear as day: Conservatives and right-swinging independants on this board and many others keep spouting the same talking points being thrown up by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the rest....but you never see any credible arguments or rationale to back them up.

Conservatives and right-swinging independants claim they want to 'rein in spending.' But do they ever state which programs they would cut? No. Conservatives and right-swinging independants claim they want to 'make government smaller.' But do we ever see where or how they want to do this? Rarely.

Barely 2 months ago America witnessed GOP congressmen - who had voted AGAINST the stimulus bill - attending opening and groundbreaking ceremonies of construction projects that were being funded by money from the stimulus bill they had voted against.

You couldn't make this kind of stuff up.

The problem is the alternative to what America has now is CLUELESS about how to fix the economy. And considering the GOP buried America in the first place, any vote for them - or their nutjob half cousins the tea party - is a vote to take America backward to a time it is only now slowly starting to recover from.

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" Bill Clinton asked the American people Wednesday to give the Democrats two more years to dig the country out of the economic hole "

That is too funny. Two more years to dig out of the hole they spent the last year diggin in? Continuing the democrat borrow, spend and nationalize policy, at what rate of national debt und unfunded government programs will they be in two years? It so ironic that Fidel Castro has just now acknowledge that Cubas system does not work, while the Clintons are asking to become more like it...

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No thanks I'd rather see us elect 'tea party extremist's, to fix the elitist mess from both parties and November we our take the country back........ Get use to it, Yabits

What terrifies dishonest Republican partisans the most is that the Democrats might achieve some definite measure of success in getting the nation out of the hole dug for it.

I agree with others who assert that Bill Clinton holds a share of the blame for digging the thing. For example, when he signed the act that did away with Glass-Steagal into law -- aka Gramm(R)-Leach(R)-Bliley(R). Bill was a Democrat who followed the Republican lead down many a wrong path.

I also agree with those who say it goes back 30 years.

And so if the nation is to take another wrong turn as it certainly did in 2000 with the appointment of George W. Bush by SCOTUS, genuine liberals will be there to remind folks of the way that was refused -- the way that remains open out of the ever-deeper hole that extremist wackos can't help but dig.

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It so ironic that Fidel Castro has just now acknowledge that Cubas system does not work, while the Clintons are asking to become more like it...

More wacko talk.

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Wow, seeing Saliwind - a conservative - saying he would vote for the tea partiers is like seeing george bush saying he'd vote for cheney. Sail, if you'd prefer America to be led by a bunch of clueless whackos, I can see why you voted for bush and the GOP.

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One of the most glaring similarities between conservatives and tea partiers - besides their total lack of ideas for how to fix the economy they and their ilk drove off the cliff - is a mutual lack of respect for America. If people like Sarge, Molenir and Sailwind had a shred of respect for their country, they would stay well clear of voting for the party that dug the hole - the GOP. Yes, the Dems had a part in it too, but no where near as big a role as bush's GOP.

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lol, so they were racist, now they're just a part of the GOP. So funny.

I don't know about the racist bit, but it's laughable to call a clear GOP power play anything else. I hear no new ideas from the TP I haven't been hearing for years from the GOP.

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Consider if someone sells to a smashed up car. You are implying that people are getting freaked out because they won't be able to drive it to work tomorrow.

Of course they won't be able to - it's smashed up.

Ditto the U.S. economy that was handed to Obama.

Surely you can understand that.

Yes, but my local body shop can fix the car rather than just continuing to tell me it's broken and blaming it on the guy that hit me.

If we’re wrong, throw us all out

Famous last words. But how long does it take to clean up the damage?

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Well imagine that you take it to a repair shop and they say they can fix it. Two years in and they're still complaining about the guy who smashed it without fixing anything. You could call Obama the owner of that shop.

When has an economy that's been driven off the edge EVER bounced back in only two years? Is there any historical example?

If a "repair shop" analogy is going to be used maybe the more appropriate one is the shop that needs to resurrect a building at the WTC site. It took two years just to clear the debris and shore up the sub-surface.

In that scenario, you'd have Republicans complaining daily over two years that they can't see a building yet -- showing no knowledge, and not caring, what the actual process is.

President Obama has done the right things to get a sound foundation under the economic growth that is now in process. Job creation always tends to trail the other indicators.

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But how long does it take to clean up the damage?

In massive-economic-damage terms, much longer than two years -- unless, you can cite an economy that rose from the ashes much faster than that.

If you can't then you can't claim that any shop could do it faster -- especially the shop that wrecked the thing in the first place!

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SushiSake: they would stay well clear of voting for the party that dug the hole - the GOP

Victory Mosque.

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Actually when I asked 'but how long does it take to clean up the damage?' I was referring to the damage to done by two more years of the Obama administration, particularly without any checks/balances.

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Actually when I asked 'but how long does it take to clean up the damage?' I was referring to the damage to done by two more years of the Obama administration

The most craven and dishonest Republicans will try to sell the idea that it will take at least a decade -- as we see them trying to crucify the Dems after only two years.

What they will hate most is seeing the economy continuing on the upswing for the next two years.

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The republicans had since 94 to dick up the country, it only seems right the Democrats get more than 4 years to try to fix it.

Taka

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What they will hate most is seeing the economy continuing on the upswing for the next two years.

Personally I don't get this 'economy on the upswing bit and that the 'recessions is over'. Is it? Sure doesn't seem that way.

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“If we’re wrong, throw us all out. But don’t bring back the people that dug the hole.”

Throw you all out you say? Understood. It's like an overstock of political incompetence, everything must go.

The Republicans want to repeal the Obama administration’s financial oversight legislation “and let the interest groups go back to basically gambling not only with their future but ours.”

How are they gambling with my future? I watch my investments like a hawk, I'm wrapping up the mortgage 8 years ahead of schedule, and I've got enough old man stock and savings to support me indefinitely if I lost my job and all my other stocks tanked. If a person was stupid enough to invest in companies with questionable financials that's their problem.

if you'd prefer America to be led by a bunch of clueless whackos

I thought it already was and has been for a long time now.

Yes, the Dems had a part in it too, but nowhere near as big a role as bush's GOP.

I make little distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans, they say the same things at different times and squabble over points they both agree on simply to spite one another. Their role in the financial crisis is equal.

When has an economy that's been driven off the edge EVER bounced back in only two years?

I wouldn't really call it a bounce, or a leap, or even a step in the right direction. If you're greatest quality is that you didn't make anything worse you may need to rethink what you're doing.

In massive-economic-damage terms, much longer than two years -- unless, you can cite an economy that rose from the ashes much faster than that.

Problem is that it never got to become ashes. If that had happened the big financial institutions would have collapsed and been torn to shreds by smaller firms who would have absorbed their assets for pennies on the dollar. Investors in those companies would have lost everything, which is exactly what they deserved, and we would have new industry leaders which were smart enough not to fall into the same habits as the old ones. But instead we have a bunch of useless old companies on life support courtesy of the bailouts and the stimulus packages.

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I find it sad that the Dems keep trying to blame others for their problems. Suggesting that giving control of Congress to the Republicans is somehow going back in time. No, they want to retain control, and waste trillions more the way they have the past 2 years. My question is, if Obama can blow 6 trillion in 2 years, will he double that in 4 if the Dems retain control? That does seem to be his goal after all.

Even Obamas people can recognize reality. His economic team is all quitting. They realize their plans have failed, that the policy of government spending doesn't work the way they thought, hence why they're deserting the sinking ship. However you don't hear any mention of reality from the Dems. Instead they keep talking about fixing the economy, but their plans are basically more failed stimulus, rather then effective plans such as reducing regulations and taxes on business. Encouraging businesses to hire more people. In point of fact, these past 2 years have been the most hostile to business climate the country has ever seen. With massive burdensome new regulations designed solely to kill business. Its no wonder, that people no longer trust the Dems, and espescially Obama. They've realized that all he is, is a telepromter. That his policies are ideological ones, that only a tiny minority share.

Check out Obamas policies of failure... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Obamacare-is-even-worse-than-critics-thought-960772-103571664.html

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Personally I don't get this 'economy on the upswing bit and that the 'recessions is over'. Is it? Sure doesn't seem that way.

Although may not you personally, but plenty of your conservative cohorts will be doing their best to talk down any brightness along the horizon after a very dark "Night of the Living Conservatives."

Keep in mind that, six months before the collapse of the economy in 2008, it sure didn't seem like a collapse was coming.

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Keep in mind that, six months before the collapse of the economy in 2008, it sure didn't seem like a collapse was coming.

Search Peter Schiff, youtube.

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Keep in mind that, six months before the collapse of the economy in 2008, it sure didn't seem like a collapse was coming.

I knew it was coming back at the beginning of 2005. A lot of people I talked to did. Oh, I didn't anticipate how big it would be, or all the effect, but I knew it was coming. Is why I got out of the housing market. It wasn't that big of a surprise. Its why the Bush administration tried to change the law back then, only to be blocked by Bawney...

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Bill Clinton: "OK, I know we're REALLY REALLY screwing thing up, but please please let us keep doing it? We're sooo close to socialism!"

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Its why the Bush administration tried to change the law back then, only to be blocked by Bawney...

LOL!! Republicans controlled both houses of Congress in 2005. Barney couldn't block sheeyat if the Republican House wanted to get something through. Go try selling that Kool-Aid to someone gullible enough to buy it.

Such liars as on these boards. You ALL saw it coming in 2005. Sure you did. Anyone observing that the housing market looked like a bubble was being countered by Republican-backers with their typical snide comments on how liberals are "gloom-and-doomers" who want to "talk down the economy." Why, George W. Bush was doing a magnificent job, you all were saying, and this was reflected in the Dow Jones average.

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I saw about 5 mins of CNN yesterday. They had spitzer on calling the GOP manifesto the policies of Herbert Hoover. It's a shame hoovers family doesn't get something like a royalty every time his name is mentioned like this, as they could make alot of cash in the next 2 years.

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Bill Clinton: "OK, I know we're REALLY REALLY screwing thing up, but please please let us keep doing it? We're sooo close to socialism!"

haha. so true! scary o.0

Its why the Bush administration tried to change the law back then, only to be blocked by Bawney...

and again, yah, don't forget Dems had majority for a long time in Bush admin rite? so they like to blame Bush bc he was in office, but in all honesty they were the ones still calling the shots. Look where it got 'em.

Even Obamas people can recognize reality. His economic team is all quitting. They realize their plans have failed, that the policy of government spending doesn't work the way they thought

True too! hahah. But hey, ONLY expect for all of this political climate to get WORSE over the next 13-14 years. Pluto is in Capricorn and wreaking havoc on our big business and politics at home. For another 13-14 years, this will just get more and more upsetting and there will be so much change in the government it'll almost be a whole new government -for better or worse??? Depends on what we make of it. The last time Pluto was in Capricorn bringing such severe political climate with it, the United States was fighting for its freedom from Britain and forming it's own state-hood. REVOLUTION!!! is what we can expect to see again! Tearing down and rebuilding of government, big business and politics.

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