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If we take a look at the number of violent crimes committed by blacks we can see they committed 153,341 of the 408,873 violent crimes, which is 37% of the violent crimes. If blacks make up 13% of the population they should only be committing 13% of the crimes, instead, they are committing crimes almost three times as many crimes as they should be.

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https://whiteprivilegeisntreal.org/black-vs-white-crime-statistics/

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Dave, please watch the documentary 13th by Ava Duvernay.

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Hey Trump people

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How come you don't refer to BLM as a terror organization anymore?

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All lives matter.

Black or White.

Young or old.

Male or Female.

Religious or Athiest.

Rich or poor.

Fully functional or physically/mentally disadvantaged.

About time for full equality for all.

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All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest?

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All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest?

I just don't get the inconsistency since Trump people used to say BLM were a terror organization and now Trump is seeking their vote (along with ANTIFA's vote soon). Trump people say that BLM is very good now. Soon we will see that ANTIFA will be courted by Trump for their vote. Watch this space because now Trump wants the BLM vote and before the Floyd murder Trump people called BLM terrorists. And soon Trump will say ANTIFA are good people. Just wait and see. That is how desperate Trump is becoming to stay in the WH.

If we take a look at the number of violent crimes committed by blacks we can see they committed 153,341 of the 408,873 violent crimes, which is 37% of the violent crimes

I'm a white person who has never and will never be arrested and I find disturbing that non-whites are incarcerated more often and given more years for the same crimes whites commit. That means wasted tax money (MY TAX MONEY). It means young black kids with no fathers around and they end up in trouble later in life. Also, these lawsuits settled come from MY taxes. Look at the drug wars and how it put away all the blacks (again my taxes paying for it) for a LONG LONG time for crack while the whites stayed safe from arrest with their powder cocaine and it's pretty much the same drug

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Black Lives Matter protests mostly peaceful in Australia

ANTIFA are still in quarantine. What a few more days.

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ANTIFA are still in quarantine. What a few more days.

Yes, and when they come out of hiding Trump will call them a "beautiful organization" and "great people" so he can try to attract their vote. Just wait, it happened with BLM because before Floyd BLM was considered terrorists by Trump and his people. Now Trump calls BLM a great organization. Just wait.

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All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest

I don’t see why it such a challenge for some to understand. Of course all lives matter. No one said they don’t. What we’re saying is that ALL lives don’t matter until black lives matter to all.

“All Lives Matter” has been and is used as a counter to minimize or dismiss the very real issues specific to, faced by African Americans

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Funny the guy in the photo with the "lifes matter" sign did not get the message. I am sure he got properly re-educated after they found him out.

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Blacklabel

All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest?

I'm surprised that you a black guy has you posted does not understand the purpose of Black Lives Matter and the aims of it.

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What happened in Oz? Put all those protesting “great thinkers” on a plane to the US. They can protest there.

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nishikat:

I'm a white person who has never and will never be arrested and I find disturbing that non-whites are incarcerated more often and given more years for the same crimes whites commit.

well, if that is the case that can surely be documented and addressed. That would be a concrete issue to deal with..... quite unlike this "systemic racism" talking point which nobody can clarify.

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DaveToday  05:10 pm JST

If we take a look at the number of violent crimes committed by blacks we can see they committed 153,341 of the 408,873 violent crimes, which is 37% of the violent crimes. If blacks make up 13% of the population they should only be committing 13% of the crimes, instead, they are committing crimes almost three times as many crimes as they should be.

Let me ask you two things: First, what does those that have to do with asking for an end to police brutality and fairness in society? Second: From the 1500s up to recent times, how come there were no people counting the tens of millions of crimes committed by whites against blacks and indigenous people worldwide?

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In Sydney, there was one early scuffle when police removed a man who appeared to be a counter protester carrying a sign saying, “White Lives, Black Lives, All Lives Matter."

I completely support the BLM movement. But why were they allowed to protest, and this fellow not? Perhaps it was something to do with permits or whatever, but I thought everyone had the right to free speech.

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“All Lives Matter” has been and is used as a counter to minimize or dismiss the very real issues specific to, faced by African Americans

All Lives Matter.... where did you not understand the definition of "All".

Funny the guy in the photo with the "lifes matter" sign did not get the message.

Yes funny that the crowd of protesters do not understand the definition of "All"... actually it's heartbreaking

All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest?

Yes that's correct. Fire is cold, water is dry, and stating all lives matter is racist. You don't understand this logic? Blacks are the only members of society affected by bad cops.

Black officers abuse white kid in juvenile facility: https://disq.us/url?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Qd-NLFNwg:zdwazbucJ9jsgmd3TWPf2VcsZvM&cuid=3289073

White officers abuse white college kid: https://disq.us/url?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HujPlUyTXRY:dNnG3ZXm2xJqUNZTMRUFfb8HJ2k&cuid=3289073

White officers abuse white mentally ill man: https://disq.us/url?url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXpRqP-9rU:aTDLCDTiCK1MDMix_qGA3CtA9RU&cuid=3289073

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Chairman of the Black Caucus in 2014;

“I am deeply grieved to learn of the murders of New York Police Department Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu. Their tragic deaths are a great loss for the NYPD, their families, and our nation.

This is not about race or affiliation, and it isn’t about black versus blue. All lives matter.

I extend my condolences to the loved ones of Officers Ramos and Liu, to the NYPD, and the citizens of New York. And I urge each of us to seek to see and respect the humanity in one another.

All lives matter.”

The BLM organization has become increasingly violent and hostile to police and been misappropriated by opportunists, politicians, celebrities (and subpar athletes) who are lining their pockets with money and using it to increase their own visibility and to stay in the "public eye".

The recent inability to have peaceful protests and allowing the actions of Antifa and the Black Panthers to be the front and center of the visual message is concerning. More care about who is associated with and who is allowed to claim the cause as their own is needed.

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This is an example of horrible visuals.

"Armed members of the New Black Panther Party were seen marching alongside peaceful demonstrators during a protest in Georgia. Video has surfaced showing New Black Panther members dressed in all-black, marching arm-in-arm as they formed a line to protect Black Lives Matter protesters during a march in Atlanta Friday."

The Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League have both categorized the New Black Panthers as a hate group.  ⁠ 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393841/Armed-New-Black-Panthers-march-protect-demonstrators-join-peaceful-protests-Georgia.html

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I'm a white person who has never and will never be arrested

You have no way of knowing whether or not you will be arrested in the future. Anyone can be arrested - it's not something people normally set out to do. Increasingly oppressive laws and enforcement, being in the wrong place at the wrong time... bang, you're in jail.

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I have seen the demand for defunding of police from some of the US demonstrators but no other tangible demands (I could very well have missed them). I would think the protests would be more effective with specific demands, i.e. the civil rights marches with desegregation (laws were overturned).

I would think more funding for police - directed to training would be a good one.

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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/06/05/black-gop-legislator-criticism-blm-terrorist/3149272001/

African American GOP legislator draws sharp criticism after calling Black Lives Matter 'terrorist' group

BLM- They are not to be criticized, whatsoever by anyone. That is really scary. Its the Antifa playbook of naming yourself something that cant be disputed. Then doing something else that isnt what the name suggests you are about.

I should name my new political group Happy Fluffy Puppies, no one can criticize me.

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Thank goodness out Aussie allies and friends don't have to worry about armed, pro-Trump, far-right domestic terrorists infiltrating their peaceful protests....

*Three self-proclaimed members of the far-right movement were held on domestic terrorism charges after federal prosecutors accused them of trying to spark violence during police brutality protests in Las Vegas.*

https://www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6

And their Prime Minister is not further encouraging these terrorists...unlike ours who is...

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All Lives Matter.... where did you not understand the definition of "All".

I’m pretty clear on definition of “All”. But you seem to have had difficulty with a sentence and even paragraph long thought...

Maybe this will help. Let’s say there’s an oppressed Christian minority in a country with a different dominant religion. Let’s say every time these oppressed Christians react to some atrocity saying “we matter too”, the majority respond “we all matter” and then things continue merrily along the way they always have. That help.

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For those opposed to having "All lives matter". If you dont think about everyone then your probably a racist and should look to improve your outlook so that everyone gets fair and equal treatment.

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Gcbel - exactly

Seriously, all lives matter, but if you’re gonna get all precious over black lives matter and you feel the need to remind people that all lives matter then you’re just detracting from the actual issue. If you’re an all lives matter supporter I suggest getting over it and getting behind the movement as it is or you’re just a stick in the mud. None of this is going anywhere otherwise.

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FBI 2017 crime figures by race

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

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Black Lives Matter protesters

Trump people say these are terrorists. Where is the consistency? They are good people now? Since when?

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For those opposed to having "All lives matter".

No one is opposed to HAVING an All Lives Matter movement, but do you know why there isn't one? Because no one who says "all lives matter" actually believed what they say enough to make one. Therefore, all their criticism of the "Black Lives Matter" slogan is totally suspect. Its all empty talk.

All Lives Matter used to be perfectly fine to say. Now its some type of counter protest?

If you go in the middle of a protest and criticize their name and slogan, yes, you are a trouble maker/ counter-protester. He is challenging the people in the group while standing among them. Look how he upset the people around him. That was not the time or place to have that conversation or placard. He was rightly ejected. He should have taken out his sign on the other side of the street. He demonstrated well why BLM does not want White people with them....because there are too many White people like that guy. I am White, and I get it.

Its simple. Put up or shut up. The White people do nothing but talk and half of them talk excuses for police. White lives don't matter because White people won't act in a way that shows they matter as much as blue lives....or even blue lies.

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BLM- They are not to be criticized, whatsoever by anyone.

No, according to Trump people they are terrorists. I don't get why they are

Proof:

The BLM organization has become increasingly violent and hostile

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as gcbel said above, "Black lives matter too".

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I posted why they are considered a terrorist organization by some for the reasons here.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/06/05/black-gop-legislator-criticism-blm-terrorist/3149272001/

But even a black American lawmaker isnt allowed to say such things right now in this environment. so this organization is above the law right now until one of their Antifa allies does something stupid using their name.

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These are facts it doesn't matter if you like them or not. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235),.

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police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

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If you go in the middle of a protest and criticize their name and slogan, yes, you are a trouble maker/ counter-protester... .He was rightly ejected. 

Sure. But he was assaulted by other protesters, and then he was handcuffed and detained by police.

Another protester ripped it from his hands and he was forced off the steps 

NSW Police escorted the man away from the protest and detained him nearby 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8394139/amp/White-Lives-Matter-counter-protester-handcuffed-removed-police-Sydney-demonstration.html

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FBI 2018 crime rates by race

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

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So why doesnt Antifa just stay home every time there is a right leaning event? Its not their event and they are not invited. Are they trouble makers or do they have a legitimate right to have their point of view represented too?

If you go in the middle of a protest and criticize their name and slogan, yes, you are a trouble maker/ counter-protester. He is challenging the people in the group while standing among them.

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they are considered a terrorist organization

Then why is Trump embracing them? Why has Trump stopped calling them terrorists. He needs votes that desperately? Next he's going to try to get ANTIFA's vote. This is not only inconsistent but also insane. Trump is trying to court the vote of terrorists.

So why doesn't Antifa just stay home every time there is a right leaning event?

Soon Trump is going to ask for their vote just like BLM

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sorry, you make no sense. No one in BLM or Antifa will be voting for Trump.

A black American cant even call BLM terrorists right now, so why would Trump? Just let them all vote for Biden if they can stand his racist comments. Antifa, wont even show up to vote.

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My house burned down yesterday.

I asked the neighbour to call the fire department cause my house was on fire. He said “ok, but what about my house?” I was confused. I asked if his house was on fire. “No,” he replied “but all houses matter”.

Jerk.

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gcbel: Christians react to some atrocity saying “we matter too”, the majority respond “we all matter” and then things continue merrily along the way they always have. That help.

No, not at all. Why is it necessary to tear one side down to bring another side up? That’s the fatal flaw of BLM and Kaepernik’s anthem/flag protest. People are all in this together. These divisive tactics force people to deny their own humanity or core beliefs in equality and patriotism. It’s making this an ‘us vs. them’ proposition. It’s not the approach MLK took - it’s the militant Malcolm X strategy that even he eventually realized was a failure.

The way forward is to shift tactics to unity. Unfortunately this won’t happen as long as BLM and Kaepernik are driven by neo-Marxist ideology. Even if successful there is no unity in the end - this ideology is based on differences not commonalities. The price of success for one side is future division and diminution of the other. The sad thing is that the vast majority of people are sympathetic and agree that blacks are generally disadvantaged. But accepting inferiority and rejecting core beliefs in Constitutional equality is a dead end.

The policeman in Minneapolis does not represent all White people. He isn’t the Magic White Man. The antifa thugs doing most of the rioting and looting don’t represent all young white people either. The black men in New York that ran over a white cop doesn’t represent all black people. The focus on race and other differences is ascendant on the political Left. It’s not unifying and is ultimately a step backwards for all.

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So why doesnt Antifa just stay home every time there is a right leaning event? 

Because anyone who wants to say they are your boogeyman can say that. How would anyone stop them? It’s like Guy Fawkes masks - anyone can put one on, and the revolution continues.

Not that the right wingers will understand that reference.

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No one in BLM or Antifa will be voting for Trump.

But Trump is being nice to BLM. Why else would he be nice like that? Of course he wants their vote. I expect .0001% of of millions of BLM to vote for Trump, but he still wants their vote. And soon he will want ANTIFA's vote.

 cant even call BLM terrorists right now

Trump has no nerve then. He is weak. Also, If I were a Trump voter I would be very very upset at Trump for not calling them terrorists. I mean he still accuses Hillary of PizzaGate.

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@Haa Nemui: Seriously, all lives matter, but if you’re gonna get all precious over black lives matter and you feel the need to remind people that all lives matter then you’re just detracting from the actual issue.

All Lives Matter doesn’t detract from the issue - it is the issue.

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It’s been announcers Trump has been funding people to go out and say they are Antifa, rioting and looting.

It’s now a proven false flag operation, funded by the leader of the land.

Which is why he refused to label them a terrorist organization.

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The antifa thugs

Trump should not refer to Antifa as "thugs" since there are millions of them and he will need their vote just like he needs BLM's vote. Soon he will say Antifa are great people...but for some reason he will always hate Hillary like dogs and cats hate each other. I guess it's in Trump's DNA to just hate Hillary since he can't stop tweeting about her in his 3AM twitter rants.

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except that in this case, your neighbor called the fire department for you. but it had already burned down by then. He feels pain and compassion for your loss.

Then you blame your neighbor for your house burning down, call him racist and say if someone ever burns down his house, it doesnt matter. Only your house and the houses of your "allies" matter.

then you and your friends proceed to burn down his house (after stealing all his stuff), so that he can feel your pain that he didnt cause.

thats pretty much what is going on.

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The important thing is that people knew HIS house could burn down too.

That’s the most important thing. For a moment people weren’t thinking of his house and it was really scary for him. Poor guy.

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Ok so Black Lives Matter. I am waaaaay cool with that as it benefits me quite a bit.

But "all lives" dont matter, because it takes away from the message that Black lives specifically matter (more than any others, or at least especially more than whites)

Who decides what other lives matter that are allowed to take away somewhat from Black Lives mattering?

its all nonsensical. You cant and shouldnt exclude anyone from mattering. Even if you could, who would decide it? The messaging is bad.

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I'm a white person who has never and will never be arrested

This is the stupidity that is ruining Western countries. George Floyd was not running a lemonade stand when police accosted him. I'll say for the folks who operate on pure emotion and not a shred of common sense: that doesn't mean Floyd deserved to die; but he did deserve to go to jail.

If we take a look at the number of violent crimes committed by blacks we can see they committed 153,341 of the 408,873 violent crimes, which is 37% of the violent crimes. If blacks make up 13% of the population they should only be committing 13% of the crimes, instead, they are committing crimes almost three times as many crimes as they should be.

Thank you for having the bravery to tell the truth. Unfortunately, the national and global conversations will never approach the truth.

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All Lives Matter doesn’t detract from the issue - it is the issue.

Only to those people who don’t understand the issue.

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so basically all other races except whites, get your own catchphrase for when you need to draw attention to an issue for your specific race.

But please dont forget to include blacks in any "people of color" related stuff, cause we benefit there too!

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Judges is laying down the law, to police, that this nonsense will not be tolerated, using unnecessary force against protester, a judge is the ultimate legal authority in America, he has the authority to use his own legal repressive mean on police

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No, not at all.

If you don’t want to understand there’s not much any of us can do

Why is it necessary to tear one side down to bring another side

Its not but this another long-winded strawman distraction of yours.

Fact are clear : the American experience is very different for a black man vs for a white man . If you’re black man you’re much more likely to be killed or hurt by the police.

We don’t have time and can’t for these cutesy ALM distractions anymore. You can part of the solution about to help or not

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Alright Mr. Noidall (how appropriate), why did he deserve to go to jail? I've never read about any evidence against him. I'm sure the police would be trotting out the evidence if they had some. Give us a link.

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Kaepernik’s anthem/flag protest.

Now deemed to be acceptable and a gross misjudgment by the NLF which today reversed the ban on kneeing and apologised for it. Kaepernick’s contract wasn't renewed and has played for three years.

NFL says players' protests during national anthem should be allowed.

"We were wrong for not listening to NFL players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said.

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Alright Mr. Noidall (how appropriate), why did he deserve to go to jail? I've never read about any evidence against him. I'm sure the police would be trotting out the evidence if they had some. Give us a link.

The grocery store, Cup Foods, called the cops because Floyd was trying to use a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. In the progressive world of moral relativism this may seem a trivial offense; but nonetheless, it's a federal offense. Floyd also has a long rap sheet. This was not his first interaction with the cops. But I'll say again: he shouldn't have died; he should've went to jail. Find your own link. The story's all over the world. Google it. You don't really think Floyd was handing out free lemonade and sandwiches to disfigured homeless war vets when the cops said, look! A black guy! do you?

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Lots of Whites are look down by others Whites, as being trash, thus making them take the frustration out on minority, the founding of America, poor Whites were look down as being inferior by wealthy Whites, who said they are not entitled even vote, if they had no property or wealth, even today poor Whites are stigmatize by other Whites

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@Haa Nemui: Only to those people who don’t understand the issue.

I guess it depends on whether I understand the end goal and the motivations of those using these race-centric and divisive tactics. If it is not to achieve equal justice in society and under the law for black people on par with White people then no, I don’t understand the issue. Based on the tactics, the end goal seems to be to overthrow Western cultural, social, and legal traditions and replace them with neo-socialist ones based upon race and identity. If that is the goal the tactics make perfect sense.

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Based on the tactics, the end goal seems to be to overthrow Western cultural, social, and legal traditions and replace them with neo-socialist ones based upon race and identity. If that is the goal the tactics make perfect sense.

I agree. This is a power grab masquerading as a fight for civil rights.

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SevenseasToday  07:33 pm JST

In Sydney, there was one early scuffle when police removed a man who appeared to be a counter protester carrying a sign saying, “White Lives, Black Lives, All Lives Matter."

I completely support the BLM movement. But why were they allowed to protest, and this fellow not? Perhaps it was something to do with permits or whatever, but I thought everyone had the right to free speech.

And I agree with you and I support that too. He definitely should have been allowed to hold his sign. My last post was not meant to make anyone feel shame or take blame. YOU didn't do it but it was a response to people who always post things like that. . What I always want to say about black crime is this: It was not me so don't put me there and lump all of us in the same pile. If I do it to you, you will say it wasn't me who enslaved black people, etc and you are definitely correct. If a black person, or any person regardless of color for that matter, commits a crime then prosecute them as the law states, but also don't see their color or give them a greater sentence because of your own racial bias. I also support Blue Lives Matter, Hong Kong and MeToo. They have legitimate causes and need to and should be heard. However, there is no need for any person to feel they NEED to support any group, but no group shou!d ever be marginalized and we just have to keep working to make ourselves better. It takes time. Have discourse and stand together as best as we can. The human race is what we all are.

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Zilch I...(https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43)

Wow! Those figures are truly shocking. If African Americans number 13% of the population, except for drink driving and alcohol offences, they are over represented in almost every other category of crime by double or more.

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 Based on the tactics, the end goal seems to be to overthrow Western cultural, social, and legal traditions

You may have western social, cultural and legal conditions confused with a police state complete with impunity for cops, the FBI, CIA etc, , adoration of greed, power and the rich, scorn of the poor, a bloated prison system, never-ending war, half of all public money going to war related items, a lesser evil choice of president, and shenanigans in general.

You seem to be one of those who thinks anyone who opposes all the evil in America also hates all the good. Its not true. When it comes down to it people like them and me want our republic back. Believe me, it is gone, people just don't really understand that yet.

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sensible, all lives matter, no life can be taken for granted .

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Australians are sensible unlike American whites who were encouraged by president trump to be ruthless on peaceful protests of African Americans.. rights granted under amendments one and sixth who is Trump to curtail individual rights.

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But he was assaulted by other protesters, and then he was handcuffed and detained by police.

You talk like he got his head cracked open by cops.

BTW the daily mail is a very unreliable source. I did not see the man handcuffed in the video so I don't buy it. And aside from the sign taken from him, touching only the sign, he was treated the same by protesters as police. And you will note the one who handed him to police was a White guy saying "Get out.". The dude was a troll and he is probably disappointed he was not actually brutalized for his trolling.

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Mr Noidall

Thank you for having the bravery to tell the truth. Unfortunately, the national and global conversations will never approach the truth.

Yeah, bravery. Whole lotta truth out there, dating waaay back in history that some people are unwilling to face. So, sure, in a so-callled democracy, some people don't deserve fair treatment because they are all criminals so when you supposedly pass a counterfeit bill or you are out for a jog, or are just sitting in your home minding your own business, you deserve to be shot and killed because, well you are all criminals and your life is meaningless. You still don't and probably never will get why people are protesting. That is the exact reason why this is so necessary.

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@gcbel:If you don’t want to understand there’s not much any of us can do

I am trying very hard to understand this issue. It is why I engage with a mostly Leftist community on the Left leaning Japan Today website

Fact are clear : the American experience is very different for a black man vs for a white man . If you’re black man you’re much more likely to be killed or hurt by the police.

I agree that black peoples relationship with police (and America) is completely different than for white citizens. History is what it is. It is also a fact that black citizens are much more likely to commit violent crime than white citizens. Acknowledging that truth is to better understand the whole truth. Understanding the whole truth is more likely to lead to policies that can achieve better outcomes.

It is also true that many more whites are killed by blacks in America than blacks by whites in both absolute numbers and in per capita terms. I don’t know all the reasons for why that is but unless crime statistics are inaccurate this fact must be processed as part of the whole story.

There is a huge perception that white cops are hunting down and killing black people indiscriminately. Based on history it is easy to understand this perception. An American political party provided the institutional support for slavery and Jim Crow over hundreds of years. This is real and cannot be wished away. The videos high-lighting the killing of George Floyd and the killing of other black people re-enforces that perception of continued racial disparities. That elicits emotion not based on current facts but on a politicized narrative.

The fact is that more white people are killed by the police than black people. That isn’t said to minimize the wrongs of the killings of innocent people like George Floyd. It’s just a fact. This fact is excentuated when accounting for rates of violent crime among the different races. That is a reality that the militant Left refuses to accept. There also isn’t an organized effort across America to use law enforcement to purposefully murder black people and only black people. The crime statistics don’t back that up.

We don’t have time and can’t for these cutesy ALM distractions anymore. You can part of the solution about to help or not 

You don’t have time for solutions that involve compromise and consideration of all perspectives- including black conservatives? The Left used to reject the ‘Us vs. Them’ binary. This is the frustrating thing about the modern Left - they want to dictate their views upon others. There is a definite authoritarian streak within the Progressive movement that is intolerant of other perspectives and facts that do not comport with their ideology. It is the kind of thing that tears at the fabric of a nation and leads to more division.

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@Wolfpack

I would like to understand what you say, but for that I need to understand what you mean by "Leftist".

May I ask you to explain what this really mean to you with details and examples?

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So, sure, in a so-callled democracy, some people don't deserve fair treatment because they are all criminals so when you supposedly pass a counterfeit bill

And yet again we take a step further back from the truth propelled by unhinged emotion. No where did I say Floyd didn't deserve fair treatment. I said he shouldn't have died, but should've been brought to jail. That would've been fair. You think that because of history Floyd should never have had the cops called on him and he should've been allowed to carry on with his crime unmolested. That's what white liberals think: blacks should be allowed to commit crimes disproportionately and unmolested as a way to atone for history. And if you think with facts and not emotion, and call that insane, then you're a racist. You're so afraid of being thought of as a racist you'll opt for stupidity and the destruction of law and order to avoid it. You do a service to no one and a disservice to everyone. Go tell the woman in Houston who was pregnant when Floyd held a gun to her belly and robbed her that Floyd was an upstanding member of society who was just trying to pass out lemonade when the cops decided to pick on him just because he was black.

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@Artimas Rogers: You seem to be one of those who thinks anyone who opposes all the evil in America also hates all the good. Its not true. When it comes down to it people like them and me want our republic back. Believe me, it is gone, people just don't really understand that yet.

I agree with you and also want our republic back. In my opinion the true American republic only existed for a brief moment in time when Americans overthrew Jim Crow in the 1960’s. From there it immediately degenerated into another chapter in America’s race war against itself. The players shifted on the board and Democrats swung from pro-White to pro-non-White. To its credit, except for a few notable exceptions, Republicans never embraced blatant racial policies such as slavery, Jim Crow, and now affirmative action.

The American republic is dead because Americans could never come to grips with the idea of a color blind society. I truly believe that was the lesson that MLK - the latest of America’s re-Founders along with Lincoln - taught Americans. And yes, I blame this failure mostly on one institution - the lone institution that never embraced this great American idea - the Democrat party.

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I completely support the BLM movement. 

These are just 6 of the communist-driven demands of BLM co-founder Chanelle Helm masquerading as social justice.

Are you willing to do any of these?

White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.

White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.

If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.

White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.

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Artemis Rogers

Fair enough. Let's find another source.

Right before the protests were scheduled to start, a male counter-protester had his "all lives matter" placard ripped from his hands before he was handcuffed and led away by police.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12329066

"You talk like he got his head cracked open by cops."

No I don't. I said -and showed in my links- that he was detained. Look, I agree, the guy was a troll. But I don't see why he wasn't welcome to express his viewpoint in the same way as everyone else was.

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Strangerland: But black people better damn well not mention that difference if they don't also give a participation trophy to white people by mention that even though the issue at hand is the inordinate amount of unarmed young black men killed by the police, we can't forget that white lives also matter.

Where is this coming from Strangerland? Not only am I not saying people should refrain from mentioning racial disparities- I am mentioning them in my posts. Your response is based on a stereotype of a conservative and not based in what I am saying in its entirety. This is the same lack of critical thinking that leads to racial and other divisions in the first place.

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Noidall: The owner of the store said that Floyd may not have known it was counterfeit. He was a regular at the store.

Most people passing counterfeit bills do not know it is counterfeit.

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It’s ok, we get it Wolfpack. It’s really important that we don’t focus only on the people who are being disproportionately murdered without also mentioning white people. It makes them uncomfortable which is clearly as important an issue as young unarmed black men being disproportionately murdered by the police.

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nishikat - How come you don't refer to BLM as a terror organization anymore?

BLM = The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is a federal land management agency within the Department of the Interior. Why would anyone think they were a terrorist organization?

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Strangerland - It’s really important that we don’t focus only on the people who are being disproportionately murdered without also mentioning white people.

The biggest threat to the lives of black people in the U.S. are other black people. "Disproportionately" murdered by black people.

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Let wait for 2 weeks and see that second wave coming. Stupidity and hypocrisy is clearly on displayed here. The people who protested are probably the same people who criticized the nut cases in US who protested lock down and social distancing measures a couples of weeks ago. Two sides of the same coins. Is the world full of moronic people or the mainstream media and social media give a loud but small group of people more prominence?

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It’s ok, we get it Wolfpack. It’s really important that we don’t focus only on the people who are being disproportionately murdered without also mentioning white people. It makes them uncomfortable which is clearly as important an issue as young unarmed black men being disproportionately murdered by the police.

No, it's this myth that cops are just jumping out on unsuspecting black people. Most of these cases involve a black person who was in the commission of crime when the situation was esculated. Out of all the deadly encounters involving police last year, only 9 involved unarmed black men. (More blacks died in these recent riots than the amount of unarmed blacks killed by police last year.) But that doesn't mean not dangerous. Case in point, multiple witnesses, both black and white, testified that Mike Brown was reaching for Darren Wilson's gun. Brown was unarmed but still a threat. But the media and white liberals must stick to the myth. This myth that is propunded by blacks and whites has real world dangerous consequences. 1) the so-called "talk" that black mothers must have with their sons makes their sons neurotic from the get-go in any intearction they may have with the cops. A cop cites a black person for speeding, and the black person thinks it's because he's black; afterall, that's what his mother told him; and then there's the history of slavery. So the black person gets defensive, the situation esculates, baam--another shooting of an unarmed black person over a traffic violation. And the myth grows bigger.

2) the Mpls city council is serious about dismantling the mpd behind this myth. People who really need the police, especially minority neighborhoods where crime is disproportionately high, will suffer. People like the pregnant woman Floyd held a gun to will suffer. People and businesses and the tax base will leave mpls, all leading to disasterous outcomes. This myth, which white liberals have adopted as their new religion, has real world dangerous consequences for Western civilization.

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Mr. Noidall,

Are you willing to do any of these?

Only the 6th applies to me. And I have donated to BLM. You can too, here:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/contact/

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@Wolfpack

Would you mind answering my question?

It is important to understand the words used in order to be able to develop on ideas.

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It’s ok, we get it Wolfpack. It’s really important that we don’t focus only on the people who are being disproportionately murdered without also mentioning white people.

I get that you agree with BLM and Kaeperniks tactics. I do not because I do not believe it will improve the plight of black Americans. It is poisonous to reconciliation. And based on the ideology of BLM and Kaepernik that is the goal.

It doesn’t ask the shrinking number of whites who are racially biased to accept blacks as equals. It asks mostly poor and also relatively disadvantaged people to accept that they are inferior because of a demographic trait that has become politically incorrect. A trait that is innate and not a choice. It also asks them to give up generations of core beliefs in basic American values - positive values enshrined in the Constitution as amended.

These movements do not seek to reform America to become a more perfect union. They seek to fundamentally transform America into a race and identity based society in which government is used to manage and resolve conflicts based on demographic and not strictly political differences. That is dangerous and leads to no where be an ever more chaotic future.

People need to step back from the ledge and refrain from continuing down the path of racial separatism. I think that if you emphasize differences, as Progressives have continued to do, you will get less agreement on what unites us as human beings. I am truly saddened to see these destructive tactics take hold in America and in other Western countries.

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Strangerland - But black people better damn well not mention that difference if they don't also give a participation trophy to white people by mention that even though the issue at hand is the inordinate amount of unarmed young black men killed by the police, we can't forget that white lives also matter.

The claim is that ALL LIVES MATTER. You chose to alter that claim into some kind of white lives matter rant, because it suits your purpose.

People can claim that black lives matter. That's fine. People can also claim that all lives matter. That's fine. It's the hive mindset of the people who chose to object/threaten anyone who dares to claim that all lives matter that is truly dangerous, disingenuous, and racist. Those are the people who are pushing the only black lives matter mantra.

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Go tell the woman in Houston who was pregnant when Floyd held a gun to her belly and robbed her that Floyd was an upstanding member of society who was just trying to pass out lemonade when the cops decided to pick on him just because he was black.

You seem to have a thing for lemonade. As I posted previously, if he committed a crime, prosecute him for his crimes. That is what is supposed to happen in a democracy. There was a guy in Japan who passed a fake note recently and most of the posters on JT had a big laugh about it. Big difference than being in America where can you get your life taken before you even reach the squad car. Without a video, that cop walks and is free to do it again and again. No one said Floyd was a saint but it is a fact that his civil rights were violated. Is that cop an upstanding member of society in your opinion? One more huge thing you missed - the cops didn't pick on him, they KILLED him.

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arrestpaul

The biggest threat to the lives of black people in the U.S. are other black people. "Disproportionately" murdered by black people.

The biggest threat to the lives of white people in the U.S. are other white people. "Disproportionately" murdered by white people.

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The biggest threat to the lives of white people in the U.S. are other white people. "Disproportionately" murdered by white people.

This is not true. Road traffic accidents are the most common cause of death for under 35s. Heart attacks for over 35s.

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The biggest threat to the lives of white people in the U.S. are other white people. "Disproportionately" murdered by white people.

This conveniently ignores the fact that out of homicides in the US, 60% were committed by 6% of the polulation. So yeah whites kill more whites and blacks kill more blacks, bit whites overall arw doing less killing. Why can't you guys face facts? You could at least face the facts and then try to justiy the facts with arguments from the social justice department: income disparity, education disparity, blah blah blah. You guys should at least have the courage to say what you mean: blacks commit more crimea but the truth shoukd be ignored because of slavery. I wish once a liberal would have the courage to say what they really believe.

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zichi - arrestpaul

The biggest threat to the lives of black people in the U.S. are other black people. "Disproportionately" murdered by black people.

The biggest threat to the lives of white people in the U.S. are other white people. "Disproportionately" murdered by white people.

Then you agree that ALL LIVES MATTER.

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@Open Minded:

@Wolfpack

Would you mind answering my question?

It is important to understand the words used in order to be able to develop on ideas.

In a general sense I would say that the words used to convey ideas and the intent of those words along with how those words are perceived by others are important. The most effective words to convey an idea are simple and direct. In the 1960s a common sign you would see carried by black men seeking to overthrow the Democrats Jim Crow laws said, “I Am a Man”. A very powerful message.

“Black Lives Matter” is also powerful but it’s simple message is exclusionary. ‘I Am a Man’ invites you to see our common humanity. ‘Black Lives Matter’ is purposefully combative and exclusionary. It’s utility to neo-Marxists is clear. It’s power is destructive. If you want to un-make America into a society based primarily upon competing racial and demographic differences- it’s very effective. This is where the fringe of the Democrat party is driving American society.

I understand the frustration of the average black person. Progressives have promised them a lot and have failed to deliver. Republicans as a general principle have not generally believed in explicitly race centric policy solutions. This leaves most black citizens stuck in a party that is ineffective. It may be that since the socialism that began in the 1930s and the promises of the civil rights era blacks are generally unable to see anything but government as the solution to their problems. If you think about it, government control of their lives is all they have known.

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@zichi: The biggest threat to the lives of white people in the U.S. are other white people. "Disproportionately" murdered by white people.

True - but stating that black people are more likely to kill other black people is an effective counter to the claim that white police officers are an existential threat to black peoples ability to live and function in society. Because this idea is just not based in truth. No one is making the claim that whites feel this way about blacks so the counter claim that whites kill more fellow whites is beside the point.

Sadly other black people are a much bigger threat to black lives and are involved in way more violence against blacks than white cops or other white people. Again, that does not minimize interracial crime against blacks but it does take the issue out of the realm of emotionalism to the facts and reality of the situation. Furthermore, according to crime statistics, among interracial murders, the truth is that blacks are more likely to kill whites despite the nations history of racial discrimination against blacks and the fact that there are far more white than black citizens per capita.

These are just facts to put the situation in the proper light and to counter the misinformation that is heightening interracial acrimony.

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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley had 'shouting match with Donald Trump to force him to back down over sending in troops to clear Washington DC protesters who he stated he supported.

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If you voted for a racist like Trump, then you will have a hard time understanding the situation.

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Troops suited up in riot gear surrounded a barricaded White House on Saturday as Washington D.C. prepared for the largest George Floyd protest yet with one million expected.

The White House remained a fortress, with black fences between seven and nine feet high erected around its perimeter cutting off protesters, as D.C.'s mayor formally renamed the street outside 'Black Lives Matter Plaza'.

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Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk, with the district attorney slamming the officers saying they 'crossed the line'.

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I watched an interview with someone from BLM. She was fairly articulate, and proposed that too much reliance on police, and not enough support for education and elimination of homelessness was another part of the problem. Changing the way policing is structured is interesting. I would be open to hearing more ideas in this vein.

Honestly, violence against less priveleged people is a story I saw when I was young. People do bad stuff because they can, and because of some weird recording going on in their head that has little to do with the reality in front of them. I watched people who were friends one day try to kill each other the next. To me, nothing much has changed. It got a little better, and then it got a little worse. Systemic change of some rational kind is needed, and I will listen for ideas that might work, no matter who proposes them.

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Lots of police have lost their minds, claiming that elderly man tripped and fell, police have a high rate of mental illness and alcoholism,some are psychological unfit to serve

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@zichi: Two Buffalo cops have been arrested and charged with second degree assault after they shoved a 75-year-old peace activist to the ground Thursday causing him to crack his head open on the sidewalk, with the district attorney slamming the officers saying they 'crossed the line'.

Yes, old White Men Matter. Now do you get it?

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White people don't experience or have to deal with the daily discrimination's and racism. White people haven't had 400 years of oppression. Less whites are stopped when driving than other minority groups. Less whites are stopped and searched out on the streets.

There's no accountability for police brutality. There are more recorded incidents because so many smart phones out there.

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