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Black National Convention to put spotlight on police brutality

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The convention might also focus on the the high levels of lawlessness in their communities or why black kids have twice the dropout rates in education that others have..

Good Luck!

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For the US:

About 114 cops died in 2018 https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2018-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

992 people where killed by cops in 2018. That's a total. Only 18 where unarmed.

40% were under physical attack. The other 60% had mixed situations, some with weapon or verbal threats, some had the suspect running away.

1 bad killing is too many, but people are much more upset about these injustices for a relatively tiny part of the population. I really thought the numbers of killings would be higher.

US Cops need to police more like Barney Fife, with 1 bullet in the shirt pocket, zero in the gun. Only when they enter into a known, proven, dangerous situation, should that single bullet be removed from the pocket.

This is to protect the people they are supposed to serve.

They also need different training to control someone being arrested that doesn't include stepping sitting or kneeling on the person. I'd rather see 2 $0.50 bindings used than have someone die who is already cuffed.

This won't end the racial bias that all police have, but it should reduce death-by-cop encounters.

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 Black National Convention

Can you imagine if there was a White National Convention? Now that would be racist!

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Black National Convention

Can you imagine if there was a White National Convention?

Isn’t that a Trump rally?

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The convention might also focus on the the high levels of lawlessness in their communities or why black kids have twice the dropout rates in education that others have..

The real problem in the US is the high number of white children who take up arms and murder people in the name of white supremacy. Kyle Rittenhouse. Dylan Roof. When will the white community take responsibility for its own people? Why don't they report them to the authorities to tell them they are planning a threat? This is politically incorrect to say, but we should step-up racial profiling of white people, and they should be subject to harsher prison terms until their community can sort itself out.

If white people want to be part of a civilised society like the USA, they need to finally step up and make the effort to integrate.

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The real problem in the US is the high number of white children who take up arms and murder people in the name of white supremacy. Kyle Rittenhouse. Dylan Roof.

Two is not a high number. Is that really all you could come up with? I detest white supremacists too, but they are hardly a ghost of what they used to be.

The convention might also focus on the the high levels of lawlessness in their communities

Look. They don't really care. Okay? You can shout about it all day long and they still won't care. You don't have to live in their communities so what's it to you? In fact, you don't live in their communities so you have to wonder a bit about your own suggestion and why the people who DO live there feel differently.

I will tell you something though. When the people hired to protect the community instead behave as murdering thugs with total impunity, you can forget about a message of law and order even getting off the starting line. Nobody is going to feel they need to check their own impulses when the enforcers are setting the worst example possible.

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Two is not a high number. Is that really all you could come up with? I detest white supremacists too, but they are hardly a ghost of what they used to be.

Oh, word?

From 2009 through 2018, the far right has been responsible for 73% of domestic extremist-related fatalities, according to a 2019 study by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). And the toll is growing. More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress in July that a majority of the bureau’s domestic-terrorism investigations since October were linked to white supremacy.

https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

Some ghost. This isn't even mentioning that one of the most watched cable "news" hosts openly preaches white supremacy and the President of the US praises Qanon supporters, anti-semites with a history of planning violent attacks, as patriots. But you just keep on with your "we must give fascists a platform I'm sure they're nice people :)" stance. That's always worked out well.

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The sad reality is, nothing ever comes of these meetings and nothing ever improves within the black communities. For over 60 years you can drive through these neighborhoods and you won’t see any changes and that’s sad and what are these leaders doing to combat these problems?

somehow, now a white person shooting other white people in likely self defense, is an indication of white supremacist views. 

How strange things have become in liberal land.

But they have drastically changed and this election year is no exception.

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Decades of employment, mortgage-market, housing, judicial, employment discrimination, mass incarceration and segregation have robbed these communites of many opportunities to accumulate any wealth, get out of the poverty cycle and actually affect change. They can only ask for /demand it.

I wish them every success.

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Decades of employment, mortgage-market, housing, judicial, employment discrimination, mass incarceration and segregation have robbed these communites of many opportunities to accumulate any wealth, get out of the poverty cycle and actually affect change. They can only ask for /demand it.

Yes, they should, but as long as they vote Democrat they will never achieve that goal.

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More people–49–were murdered by far-right extremists in the U.S. last year than in any other year since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.

Believe me, I appreciate the way you pivoted from naming names to citing a statistic. Still not going to name more than two?

But here is a question for you: is being murdered BY a white supremacist the same thing as being murdered BECAUSE the perpetrator is a white supremacist? I don't think it is. Besides which, in a country with well over 10,000 murders per year, 49 out of the total seems a small segment to focus on. And consider that's 49 victims. Even the story beginning in your article says one man killed 22. To condemn a group we need to identify the number of killers first and foremost, rather than victims. We also need to be honest in our definitions of what constitutes a rightist or leftist extremist, and also what constitutes a terrorist motive, and I have paid a lot of attention to such news, and I just don't see much honesty at all in these polarized times. For example in the rioting and looting after George Floyd was murdered by police, David Dorn was murdered while protecting a shop from looters. Does that count as a leftist extremist murder? Rioting and looting seems pretty extreme to me and I am pretty sure the people doing it were leftists.

Now, both numbers of killers and victims may be rising related to white supremacy. And they may be rising at least partly because of Trump's rhetoric. But I think we are still pretty far from the days of lynching. From here in the center, I think both estremes suck. I know that won't win me any friends, but I will tell you that I do believe it mostly starts on the right and left is just reacting. Poorly.

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"I detest white supremacists. Now, allow me to make a laundry list of excuses for them."

Believe me, I appreciate the way you pivoted from naming names to citing a statistic. Still not going to name more than two?

I think the that the FBI and the DHS both rate far-right organisation and white supremacism as the greatest terror threat in the US is plenty of evidence that white supremacy is not a "ghost". Oh, hold up, what's this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report

You claim to want to end police violence against minorities yet refuse to accept that white supremacy is an issue even as white supremacists spread through the police force. Your weak-knee liberal "hm both sides" philosophy is constitutionally incapable of eliminating racism because it is unable to grasp the severity of the situation, assuming that for every right-wing killer and would-be terrorist there must be an equivalent on the other side. There isn't.

But here is a question for you: is being murdered BY a white supremacist the same thing as being murdered BECAUSE the perpetrator is a white supremacist? I don't think it is. 

White supremacy is an inherently violent ideology, the end goal of which is genocide. Belief in it primes you for violence. Eliminate white supremacy and you will see murders fall. But to do so, you have to have the courage to confront the very real and very dangerous threat in our society, not just say it's a ghost and call it a day.

Besides which, in a country with well over 10,000 murders per year, 49 out of the total seems a small segment to focus on. And consider that's 49 victims.

Please do not minimise hate crimes (if, indeed, you believe such things exist).

We also need to be honest in our definitions of what constitutes a rightist or leftist extremist, and also what constitutes a terrorist motive, and I have paid a lot of attention to such news, and I just don't see much honesty at all in these polarized times. 

Oh! Sorry, I didn't realise you know better about what domestic terrorism is than the nation's domestic terror experts. That's my bad.

For example in the rioting and looting after George Floyd was murdered by police, David Dorn was murdered while protecting a shop from looters. Does that count as a leftist extremist murder? 

I don't think so. If Stephan Cannon says he did it in the name of liberating the proletariat, however, then I'd say it was.

Now, both numbers of killers and victims may be rising related to white supremacy. And they may be rising at least partly because of Trump's rhetoric. But I think we are still pretty far from the days of lynching.

We're really not.

From here in the center, I think both estremes suck. I know that won't win me any friends

On the contrary, you will make several friends on the far-right.

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There is a difference in perception that is being highlighted here. Case in point: During these riots, two people were shot and killed and another wounded by a teenager who was a supporter of Blue Lives Matter. When he approached police with his gun, they automatically assumed he was defending the peace. But I kid you not that if he was Black, they would be all over him and would've probably been shot dead. The perception in this country is that if you're White with a gun, you're a hero and trying to defend people. On the other hand, if you're Black and with a gun, you're out to do harm, as if there aren't any White criminals with guns.

To further stoke that sense of racism, Vice President Pence himself has told lies concerning this point. In fact, when a federal officer was killed in the George Lloyd protests, he falsely accused the leftists of shooting the officer, when in fact, it was a member of boogaloo, the known right-wing group. Thus proliferating the image that only leftists will cause violence during protests.

Also, President Trump himself has acknowledged that there is a radical left, but never once come out against the radical right, as if they don't exist. Why can't there be both? I for one believe that both radical sides are wrong, but Trump insists on punishing and condemning only the left, thus emboldening the extremist right to continue to commit violent acts.

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Rioting is a logical form of protest. Given that murderous cops and militia are intent on committing acts of violence and may well be colluding with each other. Sadly, bending the knee doesn't protect us from fascism.

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