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Well, if any good will come of this kind of wanted poster, it's that the NRA might finally rethink their gun laws.

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Well, if any good will come of this kind of wanted poster, it's that the NRA might finally rethink their gun laws

LOL. The "New" Black Panther Party putting up with impunity posters offering cash rewards for people accused but not yet convicted of shooting is going to have the NRA busy alright, teaching the record numbers of gun buyers how to properly keep and use a firearm.

Where is our Attorney General, Eric "My People" Holder?

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Lieberman: "The "New" Black Panther Party putting up with impunity posters offering cash rewards for people accused but not yet convicted of shooting..."

Heaven forbid the self-procliamed vigilante be put up for reward by... wait for it... 'vigilantes'. I'd say he's getting a taste of his own medicine, but he hasn't been shot and killed.

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Heaven forbid the self-procliamed vigilante be put up for reward by... wait for it... 'vigilantes'. I'd say he's getting a taste of his own medicine, but he hasn't been shot and killed.

That sentence really doesn' t make sense. Are you trying to say Zimmerman declared he was a vigilante? Where did you read this? And can you tell us in what dictionary or usage manual would one learn that a vigilante can be "put up for reward" ? The Black Panthers have put up a reward for his capture, as I understand the article.

You sound disappointed that Zimmerman is not dead. I thought you opposed the death penalty and people - gun owners - going off half-cocked when their sense of justice has been outraged.

You're not really closet NRA , are ya smith?

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Lieberman: "You sound disappointed that Zimmerman is not dead. "

Not at all, and I am most certainly against the death sentence. I said he's getting a TASTE of the kind of justice that he felt he could dole out on others. What's disappointing is that people are defending Zimmerman and even suggesting some kind of innocence on his part because he has not been convicted. I'm sorry you see that as any kind of disappointment he is not dead, but I'm not surprised you would jump to conclusions like that.

Fact is the man will NEVER be brought to justice due to the laws of the land, which protect racist scum/murderers like Zimmerman.

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"WANTED!!! For the murder of Trayvon Martin... ALIVE, not dead or harmed," the poster read.

Other Black Panther posters clearly state:

WANTED DEAD or ALIVE

this is hate speech pure and simple, incitement to violence. Will Obama denounce these thugs, tell them they have "acted stupidly"?

smithinjapan :

Fact is the man will NEVER be brought to justice due to the laws of the land, which protect racist scum/murderers like Zimmerman

I laugh. Someone who wants the rule of law and due process ignored in this case and has already decided Zimmerman, because he is of a different race than the victim must be guilty, is on here whimpering about how the law of the land (Florida's "Stand Your Ground" laws are unique to that state as far as I know) supposedly "protects" racists. Can you cite legal precedence? Here is another chance for JT's resident polymath, and expert on all things American, to show off his vast learning. Are these like the imaginary racist clauses you insisted were written into the Patriot Act? - which your hero Obama expanded and kept in effect.

I would most enjoy reading exactly how some judge worded summation in which it is outlined that the 50 million Hispanics/Mestizos/Mulattoes,Indios/Latinos residing in America shall be granted from the courts preference or favor over blacks / African-Americans in cases like this. I would be surprised if any non-Hispanic judge was even aware of the range of groups that comprise the category of "Hispanic" but receive so little publicity and so little consideration from a political and media complex intent on keeping black-white relations front and center and as fraught with tension as possible.

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Other Black Panther posters clearly state: WANTED DEAD or ALIVE

Link please.

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The original Blank Panthers are not supporters of the New Black Panthers BTW.

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Lieberman: "because he is of a different race than the victim must be guilty,"

No, he's guilty because he's guilty, only one person on here seems to question that.

"Other Black Panther posters clearly state: WANTED DEAD or ALIVE"

Clearly stated... where? You have any links to back that up? No? IF said poster is more than a figment of your imagination then I would be against it completely. Since you don't want to address the thread at hand, though, I'll point out that is not the poster in question says.

"...and expert on all things American"

Not all things, by any means, but thank you. Clearly better at understanding the politics of your nation, but not everything else.

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smithnjapan

No, he's guilty because he's guilty,

Who made you Fla. cop, judge and jury ? Zimmerman has rights guaranteed by the Constitution. It is amazing to see people like smith condemn as guilty someone who , most recent reports on the net claim, was seen by one witness on the ground under a guy in a hoodie who was punching him out.

Link please

Do the search yourself. Maybe you will learn something.

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Lieberman: Still waiting for your link on your claim of the 'other poster'. If you make the claim it exists, the onus is on you to back your claims. Don't state something as fact to argue then not be willing to back it up.

" It is amazing to see people like smith condemn as guilty someone who , most recent reports on the net claim, was seen by one witness on the ground under a guy in a hoodie who was punching him out."

I'd ask you to link that too, but it seems asking you to prove your comments falls on deaf ears. :)

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Lieberman: Regardless of the fact you can't back up your claims, you seem to be forgetting who started the whole thing; who chased whom, despite the police saying he should not? Anything that happened after that was the result of Zimmerman's provocation, including him executing a teenage kid through pure hatred and bigotry. If it were a Muslim you'd already be applying for the New Black Panthers to hold the sign.

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Do the search yourself. Maybe you will learn something.

I did, before I even asked for a link. I learned that I could not find one example of what you said, that is all I learned. I don't feel like spending so much time searching for something you say exists, when you probably have the liink right there.

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The link is from a non-bias news site as far as I can tell.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11778354-wanted-dead-or-alive-poster-issued-for-george-zimmerman-by-new-black-panther-party

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Thank you sailwind!

Man, what a bunch of nitwits! You don't put the picture of a victim over the words "Wanted dead or alive" for starters.

Second, emotions really got the best of them to make and distribute that. If this were a race to the bottom, I think they must be in the lead!

May cooler heads prevail.

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http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11778354-wanted-dead-or-alive-poster-issued-for-george-zimmerman-by-new-black-panther-party

Wow. Interesting. So, Will Obama step up to the plate and denounce this vigilantism by these black supremacists breaking the law and encouraging murder for hire?

RR

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So, Will Obama step up to the plate and denounce this vigilantism by these black supremacists breaking the law and encouraging murder for hire?

Whether he does or he doesn't I am positive you will have a problem with Obama's choice.

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sailwind: Thank you for the link. As I said in my comment to Lieberman, if indeed that's what was printed it is completely wrong, regardless of what Zimmerman did, and needs to be addressed, and the people who issued it charged with threatening the life of a person. I have not before seen or heard of 'allvoices', but looked around a bit and it doesn't seem like a fudged up photo.

RomeoR: "Wow. Interesting. So, Will Obama step up to the plate and denounce this vigilantism by these black supremacists breaking the law and encouraging murder for hire?"

'Black supremacists'? I don't hear them chanting hatred of whites or anything, so I think your just stretching it. In any case, why wouldn't Obama denounce it? I'm just curious what you're going to accuse him of when he does.

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I have not before seen or heard of 'allvoices', but looked around a bit and it doesn't seem like a fudged up photo.

It's a citizen journalist site. One of the ones to have sprung up since the MSM doesn't do its job properly anymore. Some of the sites such as Newsbusters and Gateway Pundit do have a Conservative slant so I don't really rely on them for objectivity. Allvoices though is more like realclearpolitics and it seems to strive for balance and objectivity instead of MSM driven narratives and bias. I also did some research on Mr. Harvey the citizen journalist who wrote the article. If anyone could be trusted at the rally to tell the objective truth to all of us afterwards and bridge the gap of mistrust and division that the MSM is sowing right now through the country with its shoddy reporting on this story Allvioces couldn't have found a better objective reporter than Mr. Harvey.

http://www.allvoices.com/users/hmichaelharvey

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Well Lieberman, I am an American and I don't think that Zimmerman is guilty because he's a different race than his victim, anymore than I think my husband hates all black and African Americans because he's white. I do however think that Zimmerman is guilty, wait for it......because he shot a boy who was "packin'" A BAG OF SKITTLES AND AN ICED TEA....oh yeah, and because the POLICE TOLD HIM NOT TO CHASE TRAYVON. Apparently, you are the one who is in need of a dictionary. If someone is afraid that they are going to be killed, they don't chase after the person that they're "afraid of"....they do what Trayvon did, they try and run away and then when they person has hunted them done, as is the case with Zimmerman......they ask the person why they're following them, you guessed it.....like you can hear Trayvon doing on the 911 tape. I'm obviously not a member of the NBPP, pretty sure marrying my husband would ban me from being a member. Do I think they should have a bounty out for Zimmerman, no I don't. Is there a part of me that feels like he shouldn't be staying in a safe house, hell yeah there is. The part of me that always has to be observant of where I'm at, the part of me that's had "the talk" (as it's been called this week) with my daughter's. In case you didn't know the talk goes something like this: I know that we've taught you to never be mean to someone because of their race, religion, sexual and/or gender preferences, religion, ethnicity or physical ability.....my girls': duh mom, why would we do that....me: well, I want you to know that there are some people who will only see the "black" part of you when they look at you....there are people who won't like you just because of that, and you need to always keep that in the back of your head....you see, because they weren't raised that way they sometimes forget that there are people in the world who believe those things. But they have a grandma who sat at the back of the bus and was forced to drink warm water out of the water fountains, and they had a grandfather who was the first African American police officer in the town where we live. So they know that when my father first joined the force, the white officers didn't come back him up when he first started. They also know, that they are related to John Wilkes Booth (yep, the guy who killed the president who "freed" the slaves). They also know that what happened to Trayvon is wrong, not because my husband and I have said that to them, but because they know that a kid shouldn't get shot because he's walking home after buying a bag of Skittles and an iced tea. It's really sad that my 13 and 11 year olds are able to come to the conclusion that this situation should never have happenend, but some of the "adults" on here aren't able to come to that same conclusion. "An injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere"--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

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I don't hear them chanting hatred of whites or anything

Heh, a "black political group" calling for the death of a non-white person isn't hatred. It's never bigotry if liberals do it.

RR

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Allvioces couldn't have found a better objective reporter than Mr. Harvey.

Yes, his article on Ron Paul as a white supremacist is quite enlightening.

Looking that the picture of the "poster" -- it's actually more of regular 8.5 x 11 standard printer paper -- I don't see any evidence that a group of people sanctioned it and was behind it. There is a video with an actual poster put out by the New Black Panther Party, but that poster has a picture of Zimmerman and the words: Wanted ALIVE!

http://www.inquisitr.com/210487/new-black-panther-party-offers-10000-for-george-zimmerman/

The individual who made the flyer pictured in Mr. Harvey's article may have been acting exactly as that -- an individual. That is not to defend the flyer -- which is reprehensible. But it appears to be at odds with the group's "official" message.

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@Kamala Brown-Sparks

Thank you for your posts.

I suspect that "the talk" could be expanded to include the fact that, beyond race, there are other divisions as well. There are actually people who despise and fear truth and justice. Those people will not bring themselves to admit that Trayvon -- a completely innocent person just walking home -- had more of a claim to self-defense than does George Zimmerman, who had no authority whatsoever to pursue and cause Trayvon Martin to feel threatened for his safety.

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@Yabits---Yes, we have talkings about other subjects...I test out a lot of my lesson plan ideas on them, the most recent involved the graphic novels Maus 1 &2, Barefoot Gen, Palestine, and the Contract w/God Trilogy.

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@Kamala Brown-Sparks, it is good you had the talk with your kids. My mother had the same talk with me and my sister when we were younger. However, there in lies the problem the need for the talk itself. If anyone is wondering about why the response to this killing is overly wrought with emotion, and talk about racism and how America is schizo the talk is the reason.

There in itself is the kunadrum. It is important to give your kids that talk especially if you are black. None of my white friends have had this talk and are surprise when I say I've had it. Yet, the talk has the ablity to makes you distrust the police, and other authorities. America may pat itself on the back and say look how far we've come but I really don't think it is that far. I remember the bottles, knives, and occasional guns that have been aimed at me for just walking to school. This wasn't in the 50,60, or 70's it was in 80's and 90's. I remember one black friend of mine saying damn dangerous to be black. Trayvon in the background of a recoreded call has reminded us of that.

Now that I am older and things like that rarely happen to me this incident brings it all back. The constant checking from security staff in the mall, being pulled over by police while walking home from school, nothing makes you feel as great. Especially the first time a cop pulles you over and says "boy". I am not sure what I would have done in Trayvon's place. I've tried the brave it out method various results, the run method (I was good in track I truely believe this is why) many failed results, the stand-up to your bullies (never seems to be one always a pack), I tried talking, bluffing, and threatening. Until you have been followed by someone you truely may never know how frightening it is, the five billion questions running in your head all about safety, or the adjusting youself to the notion that pain is imminent and you need to brace yourself for it. I wouldn't fault Trayvon if I found out he fought back, on occasions I had my little sister with me that is what I had to do. I don't know if Zimmerman is in the wrong; in my heart however having been followed and harassed in my youth I tend to side with deceased. This could have easily been me in the early 90's.

In one screwed up act Zimmerman has highlighted, right or wrongly, that feeling of helplessness. The cops who let him go now are going to have an image problem that sticks with them. America sustains another black eye around the world. I truelly wish the talk wasn't needed but I am sure I am going to have to tell my kids one day as my mother told me, and my grandmother told my father.

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Faderkinta, I know what you mean. Right after I turned 18, I broke up a fight. A friend of mine was standing across the parking lot and she wanted to know what happened. Looking back at it we may not have made the "best" decision, but we started using ASL; apparently, the cop that was next to me must have thought I was throwing a gang sign. Next thing I know, I'm on the ground and everyone is yelling at the cops that I'd just had surgery. I had a plastic bag full of medication for my MS, and I'm totally freaking out; when we got to the police department and the person doing fingerprints heard my name, he didn't finish taking my prints. He starts telling me about how our dads had been on the police force together (my dad had a reserve deputy badge even though he'd already retired); suddenly, the cops all start being nice to me and they actually got my bag of meds and brought me a drink to take a pain med. I also know what it's like to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that's what happens when you date a guy whose brother's in the Klan. Looking back at it, I totally understand why my parents told my sister and I never to go to the town he lived in, but I was young, dumb and...you know the rest of it, lol,. On 9/11, I lived across the street from a mosque; that Friday, I came home to 4 cop cars in front of my house, bomb threat. My husband and I had been busy trying to make sure all of our Muslim friends had the basic goods to survive, they couldn't go to the stores to get anything. Talking to the police made me realize that my girls looked just like all of their friends. I don't know how things will get better, people think that just because Obama is president all of the racism has been magically erased. If anything I think that it's gotten worse, now the racist feel justified in their racism because they don't want a black person telling them what to do. The most annoying part of it is that they've created all of these non-justified reasons for their racism, like Obama wasn't born in the US. I'd much rather someone be honest and say they don't want a bi-racial president.

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sailwind: "It's a citizen journalist site. One of the ones to have sprung up since the MSM doesn't do its job properly anymore. Some of the sites such as Newsbusters and Gateway Pundit do have a Conservative slant so I don't really rely on them for objectivity."

I just appreciate the link, so thank you. Objectivity is not possible, but subjectivity can be lessened to a degree, and I think you for trying to provide that.

RomeoR: "Heh, a "black political group" calling for the death of a non-white person isn't hatred. It's never bigotry if liberals do it. RR"

Did you even think for two seconds how that crow would taste before you put it in your mouth? "A 'black political group' calling for the death of a non-white person"? So if they're calling for the death of a black person? Was that just an auto-correct mistake or a brain-fart?

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@Kamala Brown-Sparks, I think that is the whole problem. When I was a kid a few of us minority kids got together and tried to do a community up-lift program. We thought if we could work with the police and some of the community leaders we could change the overall attitude around our area. It ended up being the worst mistake that we could have made. After putting together meetings all twelve of us are age ranging from 12 to 16 were harassed by the police and the community. I think part of the reason I moved to Japan a small part but still a part was I was tired of trying to build bridges. Which as a kid I heard so many times, you kids are bridge makers but in short we were the nail in the Japanese proverb. Which as why when I hear about things like Trayvon's death and a time I am having my first child I am not sure if I have the balls to raise my child in America. When I was a kid I would at least it is me and not my little sister, or I would rather go through this so my imaginary child wouldn't. However, now as an adult, a future parent all of the memories of growing up there have now let out their edges.

I pray for Trayvon because I have so often been in the situation that I know that only dumb luck did I survivor. Not to mention the times when it wasn't life threatening like some kids throwing fire crackers out of their car windows and shouting insulting names for blacks, and people in general. How can I put my own kid through it? How can you not set your own fears about the world in which you live one them? I think about what the girl who was talking to Trayvon metion he said. She wanted him to run. I've run and had cars chase me, groups chase me, and dog set on me. I learn it is better to pick of the pace and not run unless it is the last resort. Are these really the lessons I want to teach my children?

I am not going to blame any ethnic group, because I think as a kid when all of kids came together and talked about it we all generally want the same thing. However after all the intimation from the cops and our own communities we were just kids. Has it really changed that much since the 90's?

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The individual who made the flyer pictured in Mr. Harvey's article may have been acting exactly as that -- an individual. That is not to defend the flyer -- which is reprehensible. But it appears to be at odds with the group's "official" message.

Official? The original Black Panther Party were murderers and thugs. I would be deeply suspicious of any group, new or old, that bands together under the name. They are on video at a polling station in Philly on election day in 08 threatening voters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_case

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KBS

Well Lieberman, I am an American and I don't think that Zimmerman is guilty because he's a different race than his victim,

I realize that, but smithinjapan seems to think cop-wannabe Zimmerman is guilty before a complete review of the incident and a trial before a jury of his peers.

I do however think that Zimmerman is guilty, wait for it......because he shot a boy who was "packin'" A BAG OF SKITTLES AND AN ICED TEA....oh yeah, and because the POLICE TOLD HIM NOT TO CHASE TRAYVON

Again, I prefer to wait for a review of all the evidence. I am not in the States at present, but the mainstream media presentation of the case has been a disgrace. To date I have seen the talking heads at MSNBC take opportunity not to squarely blame the apparent vigilante Zimmerman but the usual objects of their seething "progressive" hate - Rush Limbaugh, the Koch Bros., Newt Gingrich and even proponents of Voter ID laws. That, and things like Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's address are inexcusable

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Lieberman: "Again, I prefer to wait for a review of all the evidence."

Seems you prefer to wait for evidence that doesn't exist -- probably a 'the WMDs are there' kinda guy. We know Zimmerman went against the police's express statement not to follow the young lad he then murdered, and we know he later put a bullet in the kid as a result of his following, without reason, the kid and confronting him. By Florida's 'stand your ground' law he should be imprisoned given that Trayvon was simply defending himself from the crazed person who suddenly confronted him while armed (he had a gun, right?). But no, the police, and you, dismiss the evidence that actually exists and say you're waiting for more that might not.

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smithinjapan

Seems you prefer to wait for evidence that doesn't exist -- probably a 'the WMDs are there' kinda guy

Some troubling WMD-caliber revelations about young Trayvonn's character, from the Miami Herald:

"As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women's jewelry. "

[...]

"Trayvon's backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds."

"Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend. "Martin replied it's not mine. A friend gave it to me," he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend. "

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“I don’t see anything that indicates to me that he’s a racist.”

Really? Well I guess Zimmerman must have just seen some pesky raccoons in the street as he was making that 911 call.

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Latest photos on the web show young Trayvonn Martin had tats, wore one of those idiotic thuggish grills in his mouth for some photos and his twitter tag read "NO LIMIT N G A "

I'm guessing our narcissistic president or his handlers probably want to walk back his foolish declaration that

" If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvonn."

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