Blame game erupts over Fort Hood shooting suspect

These are the same intelligence agencies that protected us against the 9/11 attacks. Looks like they're too busy to protect Americans. < :-)

Quote: On Monday, al-Awlaki’s web site praised Hasan as a hero.

A hero roasting in hell. But who cares, as long as al-Awlaki gets more gullible recruits?

Here we go. Some people are going to be dissected for their decisions regarding this guy. I particularly would like to know the military's excuse for putting this guy in his last posting. A chap who has over time radicalized being assigned to work with people coming back from deployments in Muslim countries. As I have said previously, gasoline on a smoldering fire.

Also what about these arguments that the guy wanted out of uniform? Given his poor evaluations, was he such an asset to the army? There are also lots of questions regarding base security? Why is it that the civilian cops had to turn up and shot this guy? What every happened to having an armed response unit down the guard room for incidents just like this? Given the often-used army that the "US is a country at war," why aren't there invasive body checks of people coming on and off base. The weapons that this chap had were not army issue, they got on the base somehow.

Anyway, I can see the finger pointing over this issue is going to go on ad-nauseum, with all the folks who should have known better ducking and weaving like a bunch of boxers.

One nut. One incident. But I bet all this finger pointing and second guessing is going to result in an over-haul of some things as reactionary Americans come to conclusions and think up 20/20 hindsight solutions.

One that comes to mind is having more weapons floating around base, which will end incidents like this really fast but spark three times as many similar incidents.

Or, another round of giving up basic rights such as the patriot act did with the right to privacy. That is why so much was known about Hasan. But guess what? Nobody could have predicted he was going to do this anyway, so no sense giving up more rights over it.

Hearing what I hear, it was the military who fumbled. Hasan sounds like he should have been booted long ago, not because of the potential of going on a shooting spree, but because it sounds like he was a proper nutjob capable of all kinds of things and just a problem soldier.

i realize this is extremely non-pc, but someone has to say it: why allow muslims to enlist in the US military ? this isn't the first time some whackjob has lost the plot and killed soldiers on base

why allow muslims to enlist in the US military ? this isn't the first time some whackjob has lost the plot and killed soldiers on base

Are all the whackjobs who commit such acts Muslim? If you think so it might explain why no one is saying such things but you, because you thought wrong. Its nothing to do with being PC. Its a matter of having your facts straight.

I blame the shooter, his imam, and the bloodthirsty imaginary deity they believe they serve.

Get on with his execution.

He started down the right road by getting a lawyer... and should have made the effort to be a conscientious objector.

You can have God/Allah first in your life, and your own conscience, and then your country next on the list.

If you get these things right, and they work together, then you can serve in the military. If not, then you should express your objection, using the instruments in place.

Pick up a gun, and you're dead meat.

As to who should have spotted it, everyone needs to take stock every now and again, and to take some of the blame, or we become a complacent society. No-one is blameless here, IMHO, and we need to search deeper for the way forward on this planet.

"I blame the shooter, his imam, and the bloodthirsty imaginary deity they believe they serve."

How can you blame the deity if He's imaginary? And more to the point, how can He be blood-thirsty? I'm confused, but I'll have to agree with you in traditional Republican style - bollocks to accountabilty and any chances of stopping this re-occuring and awf with his head!

As to who should have spotted it, everyone needs to take stock every now and again, and to take some of the blame, or we become a complacent society. No-one is blameless here, IMHO, and we need to search deeper for the way forward on this planet.

I believe that evil begets evil, and that what we sow, we reap.

In Hasan's sick, twisted mind, it became "good" to him to destroy anyone who he thought was supporting the killing of many of his own religion. Just as in many of America's leaders' sick, twisted minds it became "good" to launch preemptive wars on other nations. Wars which have killed many, many thousands of innocent people.

The "book" that many Americans claim to follow has some very clear instructions on not returning evil for evil.

No-one is blameless here, IMHO

Er, what? No one is blameless? Can you explain that remark? Or clarify it?

we need to search deeper for the way forward on this planet.

By doing what, for example?

Yabits: In Hasan's sick, twisted mind, it became "good" to him to destroy anyone who he thought was supporting the killing of many of his own religion.

Yep, definitely a sick and twisted mind.

i blame islam.

Mayuki (above), the article is about a lot of finger pointing between federal agencies, eg: "You should have picked this up and done something about it, not us!"

No-one is blameless means they all need to do some self-reflection and improve their performance, rather than play the blame game.

And on a personal level, we need to search deeper internally, each and everyone of us. Confront and maybe overcome some of our prejudices and fears. Make friends across racial and religious lines. It's easy to just go along with the familiar crowd, but not so easy to search below the quick surface judgments about the world, and find true inspiration in our heart.

PS Take the guy who scratched Hasan's car and ripped the "Allah is love" or was it "Islam is love" sticker off it. Funny maybe to his mates, thoughtless perhaps you could say, but if you ask me it was another little nail in our collective coffin.

No-one is blameless means they all need to do some self-reflection and improve their performance, rather than play the blame game. And on a personal level, we need to search deeper internally, each and everyone of us.

You are making a tremendous amount of sense here. The cycle of violence that we are involved with did not begin with 9/11.

I think you will find that in the minds of many of these posters, a deep attraction and need for violence.

One that comes to mind is having more weapons floating around base, which will end incidents like this really fast but spark three times as many similar incidents

Historically speaking Fort Hood has always had a lot of firearms around and has had a low instance of violent crime. Especially considering that the vast majority of the personnel at the base are fine young men with families and who have taken up a great mantle of responsiblity.

You are making a tremendous amount of sense here. The cycle of violence that we are involved with did not begin with 9/11.

Are we talking about the U.S and terrorists, the rest of the world and the middle east, or the West and angry extreamists? Because, having lived in and around Detroit and Dearborn for most of my life, there has never been very much tenacity against the arabic people. Even today the incidences of violence and racial tension are pretty low when compared to what happened during the world wars.

Um, Yabits, you can't really applaud a statement about self-reflection then come out of the gates criticizing others as your first order of business. Kinda ruins the spirit of the message....

Yabits

The "book" that many Americans claim to follow has some very clear instructions on not returning evil for evil.

Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Qur'an. Of course it could have been just the translation that Hasan was reading. Maybe you should blame the publisher who printed his Qur'an and the book store that sold it while you're at it...

you reap what you sow:

How many years has this "war" been going on and how much longer is it gonna take? -I am amazed there hasn't been more base shooting incidents. The American rich expect way too much from the common people. =If they want this war they should be paying for it with their own blood, sweat and money.

The fact that this killer is a Muslim is really beside the point. He is insane, how he got to be insane really isn’t all that important. That is what is going to come out in court, the poor man is sick and in need of medical help, maybe a few years in a mental hospital. He is not going to go to prison and no way will he be executed. Besides the military don’t execute the guilty after court marshals, well not for a very long time they haven’t.

The blame game will go on and the people who really should have seen something wrong with this lunatic will shift responsibility elsewhere, as is normal and life will go on until some other lunatic shoots somewhere else up. Nothing is going to change so I can’t see any point in getting yourselves all worked up over it, nobody except JT readers are going to react to anything you have to say. Do you think maybe somebody at the embassy is reading your views and taking note of what you believe is important?

Get yourselves ready for an insanity plea which will be accepted so that everybody can get back to avoiding responsibility.

Well, the other reason they might not have notified the military authorities about Hasan's previous actions was because they had to be PC. Remember, we can't say anything negative about a person because of their religious beliefs... in spite of the fact this has continuosly shown otherwise. As I said, some folks know how to take advantage of the rights given to those that live in free countries.

TheQuestion: Historically speaking Fort Hood has always had a lot of firearms around and has had a low instance of violent crime. Especially considering that the vast majority of the personnel at the base are fine young men with families and who have taken up a great mantle of responsiblity.

Well isn't that special? Are you a Republican by any chance? You took a statement concerning all bases across the country and respond that Fort Hood has low instances of violent crime? You guys always pull this crap. Illogical to the last.

Are we talking about the U.S and terrorists, the rest of the world and the middle east, or the West and angry extreamists?

There are many examples of the U.S. misuse of power in the world, and in the middle east. Take Saudi Arabia, for example. The Saud family aligned itself with one of the most extreme strains of Islam (Wahabism), and the U.S. decided to align itself with a regime that is far away from American values as you can get. There are dozens of other examples.

Because, having lived in and around Detroit and Dearborn...

Nearly a third of my high school class was Arabic/Moslem. (I was born in Detroit and graduated from one of Dearborn's high schools.)

Um, Yabits, you can't really applaud a statement about self-reflection then come out of the gates criticizing others as your first order of business.

I don't see the comment that many people are attracted to violence as criticism. It's an observation.

USNinJapan2:

Unfortunately the same can't be said for the Qur'an. Of course it could have been just the translation that Hasan was reading.

I find it odd that pointing out what the book of another religion says or doesn't say should be used by Christians to justify rejecting the message of the source of their faith.

johnnyreb-i blame islam.

And that is a huge reason why we have incidents like this. Until people like you recognize their error, we shall have more and you partly to thank.

Are you a Republican by any chance?

As a matter of fact no, I'm not.

You took a statement concerning all bases across the country and respond that Fort Hood has low instances of violent crime?

That's kind of what it looks like.

You guys always pull this crap.

If by 'you guys' you mean Cuban/Irish men in the business field with an unhealthy love of fine pastry and tobacco products than...maybe?

Illogical to the last.

Oh, but this is only the beginning! Mwa-ha-ha-ha!

Take Saudi Arabia, for example. The Saud family aligned itself with one of the most extreme strains of Islam (Wahabism), and the U.S. decided to align itself with a regime that is far away from American values as you can get.

Ah, but the Saudi's don't often openly challenge the U.S and tend to stay out of the way of U.S interests abroad. Smart little ducks keep their heads down and turn a neat profit.

Nearly a third of my high school class was Arabic/Moslem. (I was born in Detroit and graduated from one of Dearborn's high schools.)

Cool, so you know what I mean. Arabic people are, by and large, pretty cool and I never picked up any serious conflict. It was really starting to sound like you were under the impression that Americans had a long standing hatred toward's Arabic people, and that's just bull.

yabits

I find it odd that pointing out what the book of another religion says or doesn't say should be used by Christians to justify rejecting the message of the source of their faith.

Sorry, I'm not Christian.

USNinJapan2

Well then, I defer back to my original statement -- the one which you chimed in on: "The book that many Americans claim to follow...."