Biden says missile that killed two in Poland may not have come from Russia

Global Nuclear War now becomes a Reality.

Come on, Russia, give up now. You are not winning militarily and now nobody likes you either. How will you claw your way back to any respectability?

Putin denies.

There is no change to any global nuclear war.

NATO will respond but at this stage, it is unlikely to be a military one. There are American troops based in Poland. About 10,000.

The location hit is also a Polish power grid to Ukraine.

@wallace - good luck, I don't care regardless your Politics, but this reported action IS the trigger for WW3.

I'm relocating.

There is no confirmation it was Russia yet so enough with the melodrama!

I'm with @wallace: I also hope that this in fact remnants of a Russian missile that was intercepted after a day of horrific missile launches on Ukraine. Even so, the best thing now is to get China and India to start their disassociating from Russia and turning the screw on them a little.

Total over reaction @JTC - We won't even know what exactly what it was until the daylight hours, possibly longer.

You're not relocating anywhere, and if things were as on knife edge as you think, then go today. Because if it does escalate, it will be quickly and you will be part of a very large throng with the same idea.

Even though this is likely Russian incompetence rather than an overt attack on a NATO country by Russia, a strong response is called for. Just one more example of the criminals running Russia.

Poland is the biggest military power in Europe at the moment and are sensitive after what happened in WW2. (Stalin and Hitler agreed to divide their country). Having missile hits from Russia not going to be received well. If they decide to actively intervene in the Ukrainian Russian conventional forces are going to be destroyed. Not sure, I hope not nuclear. A smart person would back off and Russia evacuate Ukrainian land. Drawing in other countries with accidentally missile strikes, come on it’s getting well out of hand.

Damn these US and Russian warmongers!!

good luck, I don't care regardless your Politics, but this reported action IS the trigger for WW3.

I'm relocating.

To where? The moon?

JTC

good luck, I don't care regardless your Politics, but this reported action IS the trigger for WW3.

Yeah, nah. Not going to happen.

"We are aware of the press reports alleging that two Russian missiles have struck a location inside Poland near the Ukraine border. I can tell you that we don't have any information at this time to corroborate those reports and are looking into this further," Pentagon spokesperson Brigadier General Patrick Ryder said.

"This is a very serious incident but much remains unclear," Norwegian Foreign Minister Anniken Huitfeldt said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said, without providing evidence, that "Russian missiles hit Poland."

Probably turn out it was Ukrainian missiles and the story will quickly disappear of the media

There is no confirmation it was Russia yet so enough with the melodrama!

do we have confirmation that it was Russia that invaded Ukraine ?

Damn these US and Russian warmongers!!

hmm, I think you’ll find it is only Russia who has invaded & committing atrocities in an independent country,

& it has only been Russia threatening the use of nuclear weapons.

A swift and strong response is required but not necessarily a military one. There is no evidence yet, let alone of a deliberate strike. As we have seen repeatedly, the russian military is capable of unbelievable incompetence. The best response is to greatly increase the supply of heavy weapons to Ukraine and provide them with the longer range missiles for their HIMARS as a specific response to this so russia is in no doubt as to the folly of striking NATO countries. Longer range missiles will bring all of russias GLOC’s under fire control as well as the bases in Crimea, and the naval ports.

Await the factual evidence, JTC panic ye not.

Anyone that thinks it was Ukrainian missiles, should take a good look at the map...

Russia screaming it was a provocation, is beyond stupid. Just admit that missiles went wild!

Panic ? I have decided to stay put with my Wife who can't go anywhere due to her disability - I will stay beside her to the end, in the meantime, I'm making provisions for my Kids to be sent outside of the area.

Probably turn out it was Ukrainian missiles and the story will quickly disappear of the media

At least, that’s what the Russian media will tell you.

Damn these US and Russian warmongers!!

You’ll have to explain how the US is “Warmongering “ I don’t think it was the US’s missiles that we’re off target. In fact I don’t remember the US threatening the use of nuclear weapons.

You can’t believe everything you read on Facebook.

According to other news sources

and you couldn’t provide a link to these ‘news sources’ ?

According to other news sources reports there's photographic evidence of the the missile debris that hit Poland came from a Ukrainian S-300 air defense system .

What other news sources are you talking about?

Note the plural.

They would have been fired from thousands of miles away

Why rule out Belarus? Or Chechnya....

Some hit the western city of Lviv, less than 80 km from the border with Poland.

And

Other strikes or explosions were reported in cities ranging from Lviv and Zhytomyr in the west to Kryvy Rih in the south and Kharkiv in the east. Regional officials reported some of the attacks had knocked out electricity, water and heating.

They’re firing missiles all over Ukraine. It could easily have been Russian missiles with even a slight miscalculation in trajectory. I’m not saying it definitely was but trying to prove otherwise with imagined “oddities” about the reports is ridiculous.

Once again, those oh so great Russians.

So, let me see: they fire missiles (roughly 100) again, destroying mainly civilian infrastructure.

2 of those missiles end up in Poland.

Maybe "navigation error, maybe intended.

Maybe even Ukraine shot them down and debris made it 10 kilometers across the border (which I doubt).

But whatever it is: Ukraine needs more support, a "No-Fly-Zone", even though late, more military hardware, air defence systems, tanks, etc.

There is only one way to end this aggressor's war: the total defeat of Russia, since PUTAin understands just one language - the one of military strength and superiority!

Ukraine will prevail!

Wallace,even Mexico is under the defense shield and they are not part of NATO,but they are members of Organization of American States

If it really was a Russian missile that kills 2 people in Poland, shot on purpose or accidently, it will draw this whole thing to a very dangerous level.

Why did they randomly land exactly at the border? The statistical probability of that is basically 1 in a million.

why do Russian missiles randomly land anywhere ?

they aren’t exactly renowned for their accuracy

How do you know they weren't stray missiles from Ukrainian air defences?

we don’t, that’s why they’re investigating

The missiles carry only enough fuel to reach their target. They can not fly 100s of miles past their intended target, it would defy the laws of physics.

Other missiles hit lviv, which is only 80km from the polish border. How does that calculate into your law of physics ?

Try remembering that on several occasions the pro world war people kept saying that the explosions on Russian ships were what Ukraine claimed "mishandling of munition".

Poland is the entry point for most of Ukraine's weapons but of course it couldn't be just like Ukraine always says about mysterious explosions on the Russian side "mishandling" or an accident.

Then we have the constant dumming on that Russia is doing things to themselves in order to "accuse Ukraine"

Now history shows a few things

"Remember the Main "

The Mukden Incident,

The Gleiwitz incident

The Gulf of Tonkin incident

Now which countries did these false flags to start a war? Russia? No.

Oh did I forget vanishing WMD.

Blunders happen in war.

The US mistakenly bombed Switzerland several times during WW2.

More so, the unmotivated, poorly trained and undisciplined Russians are capable of some pretty mind boggling oopsies.

However, there are also reports that it was fragments from a missile that was intercepted.

If the missiles were fired from Belarus, Lukashenko must be made to pay a heavy price.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855?pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a8049c10-2407-4b9b-a76f-9fb67c3c78f7&pinned_post_asset_id=6373db0349d9ef23494ba847&pinned_post_type=share

'Who fired the missile is unclear' - security expert

Josh Cheetham

Open Source Analyst, BBC News

"Who fired the missile is unclear," says J Andrés Gannon, a security expert at the US Council on Foreign Relations, who agrees that it may be from an S-300 system.

"We know Russia has been using the S-300 for ground attacks even though it’s an air defence system, but Ukraine also uses them for air defence against cruise missiles."

According to the latest trustworthy news it was KH 101 cruise missiles.

They were entered in service (in Russia!!) in 2012.

Russia is the only country that has them!

Their range is upto 4.500 kilometers, accuracy +- 10 to 20 meters.

Now tell me again that it wasn't Russia!

Whenever Russia quickly denies something, that's 90% a lie and they know it. With almost all military munitions, something is left over that will point the finger to the exact weapon type, owner, and manufacturer.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-official-says-russian-missiles-hit-poland-killing-2-associated-press-2022-11-15/

WASHINGTON, Nov 15 (Reuters) - A senior U.S. intelligence official said Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing two people, the Associated Press reported on Tuesday.

Seems that it was part of a Russian missile attack. Perhaps it went off course and was an accident. Hard to say. Accidents do happen in wars, even illegal wars. Russia should compensate the families of the dead and be forthcoming about the accident, unless it was intentional to start a war with NATO.

There will be no peace talks between Ukraine and Russia as long as Vladimir Putin remains Russian leader, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Tuesday night. (note: in September)

“This is clear and obvious,” Zelenskyy added in his nightly address to the nation, after sham referendums were held in Ukrainian regions in a bid by Putin to annex more Ukrainian territory.

Isnt Putin still in power?

S300 only has a range of 80 miles

Russian aim is so bad that they can't even hit a 603,000 square kilometre target located right next to them.

Photo analyses of missile fragments show that they belong to a 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300AD system. A Ukrainian missile. This was a false flag.

Eastman,

as I understand it's not just "shrapnels" but even more that highly proves it was a KH-101!

But I agree, I'll wait to make a final decision until more facts are available from unbiased sources.

So are you saying its true but just off topic? or that its not true?

Why don't you walk us through what you are suggesting and how it fits in to these missile strikes?

JTC

@wallace - good luck, I don't care regardless your Politics, but this reported action IS the trigger for WW3.

> I'm relocating.

Where ya going? The moon?

Why don't you walk us through what you are suggesting and how it fits in to these missile strikes?

it would support a false flag by an unknown entity to make the newly mentioned peace process untenable.

Look at what Russia did! we cant have peace now like we were considering because of that!

right?

At least, that’s what the Russian media will tell you.

I watch about 30 different news sites every day. Where exactly is the access to Russian media apart from RT which is banned in may western countries for being impartial?

I’m mostly interested that they’re repeatedly trying to sell such small “provocations” as a potential casus belli. I mean, do they really think anyone other than the Boomers gives one hair on an airborne rodent’s posterior about NATO or its oft-misrepresented Article 5, which commits absolutely no one to doing anything.

The funniest part is that the British are vowing “WE WILL DEFEND POLAND”.

They seem to have forgotten that the last time they promised to 'defend' Poland, the USSR ended up with all of Poland, all of Eastern Europe, and most of Central Europe.

based on this new attack- wouldnt Democrats now HAVE to continue funding the war even if they dont get their cut anymore?

An attack on Poland would require that continued funding plus open up new avenues of funding through NATO.

So thats why Ukraine or something/someone associated with them continuing to get funding even without the money laundering aspect would do this.

Why would Russia do this? whats in it for them to attack Poland?

Poland is the biggest military power in Europe at the moment.

Huh? Poland's land forces number about 63,000, smaller than the German Army. Turkish land forces number 260,000, NATOs largest land army aside from the US Army. French land forces number 118,600. The British Army numbers about 80,000. That of Spain about 75,000. Poland's Navy is tiny, three older frigates and some old Soviet era diesel subs. Their air force has 89 combat jets, of which 41 are old Soviet models. France has 210 modern combat jets in their Air Force and another 40 Rafales in their navy. Poland is far from the biggest military power in Europe. If you look outside NATO, Finland can field a 240,000 strong army.

Probably a stupid & careless Russian mistake, like so many before. However, if it was done deliberately to further escalate Putin’s tragic error, then he must be near the end of his political rope.

Photo analyses of missile fragments show that they belong to a 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300AD system. A Ukrainian missile. This was a false flag.

Sigh. Russia has been firing S-300s at ground targets in Ukraine for some months now. S-300 is a late 1970s air defense missile. They are notably inaccurate when used as a surface to surface missile.

In addition to stocks Ukraine started the war with, Ukraine has received S-300s from other eastern European NATO members like Slovakia and surprisingly the US, which apparently has a stockpile of them acquired from Belarus in 1990 and other unnamed nations. Trying to say that this or that S-300 is something that was in the Ukrainian stockpile is, well, not fully informed.

Were they stray missiles or intentionally?

Serious escalation from Putin.

The Russian troops have failed to impress. Putin now busing in short-trained civilians and prisoners.

There is no change to any global nuclear war.

NATO will respond but at this stage, it is unlikely to be a military one. There are American troops based in Poland. About 10,000.

Number one I would not get too excited unless Russian missiles landing inside the territory of NATO nations happens again.

Number two, any NATO response will be conventional and will likely deprive Russia of use of its nuclear weapons very early in the response. This is the raison d'etre for the B-2 and F-35.

@Eastman - for once I actually agree with you on this. It’s too early to lay blame for this individual event.

JTCToday 06:52 am JST

Global Nuclear War now becomes a Reality.

Only when the first Nuclear weapon is detonated. That has not happened and is not likely at this point.

However, there are also reports that it was fragments from a missile that was intercepted.

Fragments leave debris but the picture shows a bomb crater from an explosion on detonation when the missile hit the ground.

lets wait as next few days or weeks may bring explanation abt what happened,

And if investigations show they were Russian missiles what then? Russia will continue to deny as it always does. Russia never admits to mistakes or errors.

And if investigations show they were Russian missiles what then? Russia will continue to deny as it always does. Russia never admits to mistakes or errors.

My guess is that if the missile is confirmed to have been fired by the Russians (there will be other intelligence aside from material collected at the site from satellites, signals intelligence and the like we most likely will never be privy to) the NATO response might be to flood Ukraine with air defense missile systems including possible some longer range systems like SAMP/T and dedicated ballistic missile defense systems Patriot PAC-3. The US can also refurbish HAWK systems it has in storage. That is a lot better than going to war with Russia and gets the job done.

Bound to happen, Russian have been anything but precise in their attacks, sooner or later they would involve Poland, and of course deny they did.

There is no confirmation it was Russia yet

It’s more than likely yet another instance of Ruzzian less-than-precise targeting. It could be a missile that went off course after being intercepted by Ukrainian defenses.

It’s immaterial. If Putler hadn’t started an illegal, unjustified war no one would be firing missiles anywhere.

This has to stop now.

Nobody wants WWIII, but hopefully NATO will at least announce a strict no-fly zone over Ukraine.

Hardly likely to happen, but a special ops operation in Moscow to purge it of its gremlins would be a treat.

to all of antirussian and rocket experts above.

at this moment 9.24 am of jpn time its unsure what rocket exploded there.there were found shrapnels of it in area of explosion and area is sealed now.all under investigation.

all of "verified informations" that it was russian rocket,or rocket fired from Russia etc etc are just unverified informations and treat them like that.

eveytime when something like this happens need to check more sources and there is always one thing comes to mins.

cui bono.

lets wait as next few days or weeks may bring explanation abt what happened,

It fits among the possibilities, but the anti-Russian brigade of whiners does not accept it.. lol..

Far more concerning now is the fate of Millions of Ukrainians facing a winter of no electricity and water after the other 100 missiles found the right targets. Barbaric.

Even the missile explodes in Poland on accident, shoot by the Russians or the Ukranian, we should not forget that 2 people died from that.

And if Russia wouldn't have started their massmurdering war, there were never been any missile shot from anywhere.

so all the people who said its definitely IS Russia arent making assumptions?

Just the people who say its NOT Russia are the assumers?

Just the people who say its NOT Russia are the assumers?

Well your assumption is that Ukraine did it because of Dems etc.

An assumption bereft of all logic or fact. But then again you still believe in stolen elections, so we shouldn't be surprised.

so all the people who said its definitely IS Russia arent making assumptions?

Just the people who say its NOT Russia are the assumers?

Sensible people are admitting that we don't know who fired the missile and we'll have to wait until actual evidence is examined to draw a conclusion. Most likely scenarios seem to be either an errant Russian missile, or an errant Ukrainian air defence missile. These both seem plausible to me based on what limited facts we do know.

Of course there are idiots out there spewing nonsense about this being some kind Dem false flag conspiracy. THOSE people are making some wild assumptions.

Well, we all know and already named it what it is , a real war, not only a paper and pen limited military operation. Therefore , if so many parties actively meddle in, missiles from Russia also have to be expected incoming on all verbally supporting countries and even more those delivering equipment or providing other support for their enemy, which Poland surely is one of. It’s maybe also a test balloon to see how NATO reacts, according to the treaty paragraphs or according to nothing.

I watch about 30 different news sites every day. Where exactly is the access to Russian media apart from RT which is banned in may western countries for being impartial?

So now, even though it still parrots Russian narrative, RT is no longer acceptable to you? Odd. And here in Japan we still have access to it. Why you keep bringing up the countries that have banned it I’ll never know. Don’t forget, Russian journalists are afraid to speak out against the war (they weren’t even allowed to call it a war at the start. I don’t know if that has changed) for fear of breaking Russian law.

I hope they will be more transparent with the results of their investigation than they were with the Nord Stream pipelines one. So far, this very much reminds me of the gas attacks in Syria...

Biden now saying that missile was "unlikely to have been fired from Russia". Yet all the normies are here downvoting anyone who says otherwise.

? @Raw Beer. Why the '.....'' after your post. What are you trying to imply?

Notice all the "likely", "probably" , "seems to be" comments from the west...

Its almost as though they know its a Ukrainian surface to air missile but want to pin the blame on Russia.... Just like the missile in Bucha train station. That soon went quite when the serial numbers matched those fired by Ukraine into Dombas.

? @Raw Beer. Why the '.....'' after your post. What are you trying to imply?

I often do that when something is self-explanatory, or doesn't need explanation (I like being concise). But it seems that for some people...

Biden says missile that killed two in Poland may not have come from Russia:

He assumes from the lines of trajectory, the missile might not be fired from Russia.

If he can see that, why not those Poland & NATO experts?

At least, tired Biden talks sense, a flash moment of clarity if not enlightenment..

No matter who’s missile it was, Russian or Ukrainian anti-air missile, the responsibility lies solely on Russia. Ukrainians don’t fire anti-air missiles just for fun without a necessary reason.

yeah, Go on @Raw Beer - Finish what you want to say.

Call for calm. let the experts complete there analysis.

Biden should know better that to stoke presupposition, did they or didn't they?

A question that does not need to be answered by the best guess.

"I don't want to say that until we completely investigate"*

Simple as that.....Nuff said

But Biden was bounced to prevaricate.

Change of post.

I am questioning the ethic here to post news without verifying the fact, then totally replace it with something else without any mention.

What are those pieces of non-information everywhere? Ok, you Pokerfaces out there, raise and call, if the estimated trajectory doesn’t suggest the missile was from Russian area or forces, then which area or country origin of the missile that hit Poland does it suggest instead?

Latest update actually points to a Ukrainian rocket fired in defense at a Russian rocket.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300739883/missile-fired-into-poland-came-from-ukrainian-forces-first-assesment-finds

if the estimated trajectory doesn’t suggest the missile was from Russian area or forces, then which area or country origin of the missile that hit Poland does it suggest instead?

Exactly, the US certainly knows where these missiles were fired from. Telling that they haven't provided further details. Probably figuring out how to spin this or hoping it just goes away (like Nord Stream).

Eastman,

no, he said that probably it wasn't fired from RuSSian area.

Ever heard of Tu-160 Blackjack, Tu-22M3/5 Backfire C, Tu-95MS16 Bear-H, and Su-27IB?

That's the aircrafts RuSSia uses to fire off cruise missiles.

So, once in the air, of course it wouldn't be RuSSia's land!

But let us wait and see, too early to make final comments.

Telling that they haven't provided further details.

Right after I posted a link suggesting who is believed to be responsible.

My dollar bet is on the Ruskies.

Ukraine are not fighting near the Polish border.

Wallace, the weapons that the US is smuggling in to prop up Zelensky's regime in its war against the population of the Ukrainian agricultural and industrial heartland go through exactly these sorts of places, so your 'objection' about the lack of Zelensky's forces firing from anywhere near there is disingenuous.

US President Joe Biden said it is unlikely a missile that landed in eastern Poland was fired from within Russia after consulting with allies at the G20 Summit in Indonesia.

whats that smell? Another White House walk back?

does anyone speak Biden to translate what he is implying?

UA forces shoot rocket at NATO /PL/ territory and have killed two civilians

UA forces shoot in defence at missiles launched by Ruzzian aggressors, one missile missed its target, came down across the border and killed two civilians

There, fixed that for you.

Doesn't stop it being Ruzzia's fault.

If I'm beating the pulp out of you and in an attempt to avoid yet another blow your fist hits an innocent bystander, surely it's the one doing the pulping that's at fault, not the one trying to stop the punches.

Ruzzia started the fight. Everything bad that happens as a result is ruzzia's fault.

Biden don't want to defend Ukraine or Poland, and has decided the missile was not sent from Russia. It doesn't matter who really fired that missile. Case closed!

The photos of the missile fragments have now been analysed and it is clear that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.

There will be some very red faces in the media and the Polish foreign ministry in particular, which called for stiff measures against the perpetrator.

Zelensky's regime in its war against the population of the Ukrainian agricultural and industrial heartland go through exactly these sorts of places

Interesting plot development. The SMO has gone from being about Nazis, to Nato, to a few other things I forget, to now being Ukraine simply invading itself. The Russians might as well get out if this is the case, leave them too it and save a few rubles / thousands of Russian lives.

Poland has taken in more than two million Ukrainian refugees. The hit location is where Poland supplies power to Ukraine. Until there is hard evidence I still think they are Russian missiles.

Mr.Zelensky will need to send at least flowers to families of deceased poles at least.

If it's confirmed, I'm sure he will. At the very least. And they're Poles, not poles.

why UA forces have attacked NATO member by rocket

Don't be ridiculous. UA forces have not 'attacked NATO member' by anything. They tried to defend themselves against a dirty, despicable, barbaric aggressor intent on ruining the lives of millions of people just to tickle the ego of a slavic house elf, and something went wrong. Damn soviet-made rubbish munitions.

Cui bono guys,cui bono.Russia have no reason to attack Poland

Ruzzia had and has no reason to attack Ukraine, didn't stop them doing it.

Russia understand clearly consequences of that attack

They clearly didn't understand the consequences of attacking Ukraine back in February. They thought they'd be greeting with hugs and flowers and kisses, and be having a jolly old victory parade through the streets of Kyiv come March.

stiff measures against the perpetrator

The perpetrator is Ruzzia. Ruzzia can stop missiles landing anywhere just by going home.

Putin is responsible for firing thousands of his missiles at civilian targets and is the aggressor and invader. Putin has the power to end it.

whats that smell? Another White House walk back?

Oh, you mean there's more information coming out about this breaking story? Shocking!

does anyone speak Biden to translate what he is implying?

What Biden said was pretty easy to understand. Not sure what the confusion is.

Putin is responsible?

lol And where were you when Russia was supplying separatists in Eastern Ukraine? I suppose we should just look the other way?

Where were you when Ukraine bombed the Donbass and Russian children died?

No, Russian children didn't die in Ukraine. Ukrainian children did.

Eight years you were silent! Do you know the word "donbass" at all? Not Putin is respons! Blame the world selectively deaf and blind

So, does any of this justify Russia's imperialist land grab? No one is buying the pro-invasion, pro-invasion apologia.

Biden is being cautious and getting his facts straight prior to getting allies on side for any actions NATO might take.

This is exactly what I would want in a leader during a crisis.

Not some know-nothing blow-hard either rushing to action or making excuses for looking past aggression.

We all know what the great Cheeto-Jesus would do. We can thank whatever Diety we choose to pray to that he is nowhere near the reigns of power at the present time.

What makes you think that all Russians who lived in ukraine considered themselves ukrainians?

Donbass is in Ukraine. Donbass is part of Ukraine. If you were born in Donbass, or any other part of Ukraine, you are Ukrainian by birth. Frankly, one's citizenship isn't determined by your "feelings." And frankly, most of the residents of Dombass aren't even Russian. Why does Russia, and the separatists they back get to force the majority of people there to join Russia?

Go to Donbass and call them ukrainians. You will leave a wet place. And keep laughing

lol Sorry mate, your pro-imperialist, pro-invasion apologia is comical. The consequences, however, not so much.

@gurzuf (if that’s your real name)

No one wakes up one morning and decides to separate their city from the country - Unless an ‘external force‘ was involved. The same ‘external force‘ (RU) that created the separatist region in Transnistria within Moldova; and, the separatist region in South Ossetia within Georgia.

(you see a pattern here ?)

Instead, the Ukrainians took the blame by the Russians for 8 long years in relation to the murders of Ukrainian children and civilians in the Donbas since 2014, even though Igor had already publicly admitted to starting the proxy war in Donbas while using civilians as human shields and exposing them to shelling in 2014.

Meet the man sent by Putin who started it all and led the Proxy War between Russia and Ukraine within the Donbas in 2014 to make it look as if the ‘civil war‘ started within Ukraine - Igor Girkin

The live interview with Igor himself where he admitted to using civilians in Donbas as human shields was given on 24 May 2019 and can, at present, still be found here (https://youtube.com/watch?v=vn-ztUNkGWk&t=331s

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Ukrainian missiles.

Ukrainian missiles.

Yes, black, they were definitely Ukrainian missiles. I guess the Ukraine military intelligence forgot which way Russia is. Brilliant.