Blinken urges Israel to engage with region on postwar plans that include path to Palestinian state

Can only be a two-state solution.

 but only if there is a “pathway to a Palestinian state.”

If?That means two state solution still hypothetical plan?

What is the goal a single ethno religious state, because bible said so?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/7/22/israel-has-finally-come-out-as-an-ethno-religious-state

Neither Israel nor the US is serious about a truly independent Palestinian state. If so, it would have materialised by now. They are liars and ruthless oppressors and killers. May God have mercy on the poor Palestinians as well as peace loving and fair minded Israelis.

That's even worse than saying Trump must engage with Americans with a plan for post election honesty.

Not only does it involve ignoring what the Israeli regime was doing in the years before the Gaza Rebellion, it ignores that even the other members of the Axis of Antidemocracies the US has built in the region concluded that their futures lay in becoming, if not friendly to, at least not hostile to the democracies and prodemocracy movements of the ME, ESPECIALLY the one that is a member of both the SCO and BRICS+

The two state solution has been on the table countless times , Israeli initiatives always thwarted by Hamas , so now its best to just wipe Hamas out then Hezbollah , may as go for ISIS next ,three in a row has a ring to it .

boToday  07:31 am JST

The two state solution has been on the table countless times , Israeli initiatives always thwarted by Hamas , so now its best to just wipe Hamas out then Hezbollah , may as go for ISIS next ,three in a row has a ring to it .

The cack handed, brutal methods they use to wipe out terrorist groups only incite more terrorism.

Israel is using the Hamas attack as an excuse to get what it has wanted all along...eviction of the Palestinians and complete possession of all their land.

Concerned Citizen

Neither Israel nor the US is serious about a truly independent Palestinian state.

The US is serious about it. Netanyahu? Not so much.

If so, it would have materialised by now.

With Netanyahu in command, it will be difficult.

They are liars and ruthless oppressors and killers.

Israel, yes.

Mr. Blinken, who are you fooling? 'Urging' while sending billions in military aid??? 'Urging' while 10,000+ children are killed and tens of thousands more are losing limbs. Your words are meaningless, and your shuttle diplomacy is a waste of time. Thank you, South Africa, the WORLD HERO, for exposing the reality of the genocide happening in front of our very eyes.

Of course it's good that South Africa call out the continuing genocide being carried out by Israel, who feel totally comfortable and unhindered in murdering 25,000-plus Palestinians (of which over 10,000 were children and babies). They feel as if they have carte-blanche to carry on killing with impunity as many as they like, as this satisfies their sadistic blood-lust, such is the hatred which exists between the Jews and the Muslims.

The kill-rate is always at least 10-times more Palestinians killed to Israelis, that is the norm for the despicable Netanyahu and his acolytes. He won't be happy til the whole of Gaza is razed to the ground, and becomes totally uninhabitable.

It's high time the rest of the free-countries of the world declared the conflict as a significant genocide situation, then perhaps the UN may just get round to trying to stop the killing and maiming - we can only hope.

Concerned CitizenToday  07:19 am JST

... as peace loving and fair minded Israelis.

Unfortunately their country seems to have been hi-jacked by sleazy old crooks in cahoots with ultranationalist Zionist lunatics who might not actually be genocidal but certainly feel entitled to seize whatever land they want and eradicate anyone in their way.

Blinken, the diplomat that employed his brand of diplomacy for the invasion of Ukraine, and now he wants to reward terrorists with formal recognition?

He is sending a message that Palestinians will eventually ruled by Hamas, or who ever is most willing to carry out the most heinous act against humanity. USA will only fold to those who terrorise.

Let's not forget he pulled the Saudis back from a near and certain victory against the Houthis in Yemen either. If there was issues with weapons used, he could have simply offer more training for Saudi troops.

This guy is alienating and cutting off allies at the knee every time he practices diplomacy.

Israel has vowed to keep going until it destroys Hamas,

Which is of course what it should do, A country is attacked by terrorists who target civilians--it has the right to fight back and defend itself under international law.

Israel has done a great job of minimizing human casualties and in fact, even taking care of civilians in Gaza by providing them with daily necessities.

The two-state solution was rejected by the Arabs long ago, and is rejected on a daily basis by them when they continually commit war crimes by shooting missiles aimed solely at civilian populations in Israel.

The two-state solution was rejected by the Arabs long ago, and is rejected on a daily basis by them when they continually commit war crimes by shooting missiles aimed solely at civilian populations in Israel.

Exactly! The terrorists are calling for the extermination of Israel, not two states, so Blinken is only creating divisions.

Fire Blinken already.

Textbook case of US smoke and mirrors.

Blinken said, "Israel must be a partner of the Palestinian leaders who are willing to lead their people” Isn't that what the Oslo accords was all about? And yet, the assassin associated with the Likud who Netanyahu is the leader, killed Rabin. The Palestinians are supposed to be partners with a state that has oppressed them under apartheid rule and is now hell bent on wiping them off the face of the earth? Get real. Think. Who benefits from this war? No one except Netanyahu who was indicted and is under trial for corruption. And Oct 7. The most technologically sophisticated nation in the region missed all the signs of preparation? Either they allowed it, or they were incompetent in their security, either way, where is the blame? Netanyahu benefits from prolonging the war and Biden and Blinken can't control him because they're too worried about the election and the Jewish votes.

Blinken, the diplomat that employed his brand of diplomacy for the invasion of Ukraine, and now he wants to reward terrorists with formal recognition?

Excellent point.

The Palestinian Arabs already have an established nation in the form of Jordan, which had occupied Judea and Samaria, so the civilians in Gaza have a place to go.

The Zionist have no interest in a two state solution, never have and never will. Their game is to get as much land as possible until they are stopped. The so-called settlements make any chance of a Palestinian state impossible. Forget two states, how about one state not based on apartheid or religion?

And the land Thieves in Israel said you must be dreaming!

There was antisemitism before the foundation of the modern state of Israel, wasn't there.

Yes, and sad to see it continues today.

Especially on here.

There was never a 2 state solution rejected by Palestine.

If "solution " meant a viable state.

And not the disintegration of Palestine lands.

All this information is available on public record.

The Israel side never accepted the boundaries of the original partition in 1948, and has been land grabbing ever since.

The expansion of settlements in the West Bank is a way to make the two sate solution unviable.

If one begins with skepticism on the Bible narrative then Israel has no right even existing in others lands.

Remember this God was invented when whole worlds and people lay undiscovered and unknown to each other.

A two state solution is a good idea, but Palestinians have shown time and time again they are only interested in a one state solution as demonstrated by Arafat walking away from negotiations at Camp David

The Palestinians are supposed to be partners with a state that has oppressed them under apartheid rule

You are conflating Palestinians living under Hamas rule with Palestinians living on Israeli soil and rule who are generally very satisfied and thriving.

Once again for those at the back...

You should not agree to things that are unreasonable and a bad deal.

A "solution " isnt a lop sided agreement favouring one side, especially the newcomer.

Which is of course what it should do, A country is attacked by terrorists who target civilians--it has the right to fight back and defend itself under international law.

To what extent? Does Israel have the right to bomb a target in London for example, if they knew a Hezbollah or Hamas leader was based there?

yes, let them build the Palestine state by themselves. i wonder what do they rely upon for survival. All this while Gaza depends on all the foods, drugs, financial helps, works from Israel. Let them build their own states and i wonder what can they export to earn the foreign currency.

You should not agree to things that are unreasonable and a bad deal.

A "solution " isnt a lop sided agreement favouring one side, especially the newcomer.

This is ridiculous. The Palestinians have no more bargaining chips. If they’d made concessions in the past they’d have had their own state but because they “don’t agree to unreasonable things” (in your words) they continue to lose allies and any leg up they might have in future negotiations. What have the Palestinians gained following your line of logic, which is exactly the path they’ve been following for decades?

zibalaToday  08:43 am JST

"There was antisemitism before the foundation of the modern state of Israel, wasn't there."

Yes, and sad to see it continues today.

That means it was directed at the Jewish people, not Israelis, because at that time there was no such nation state as Israel. That means that pro-Zionist shills have conflated the term with racial hated of the Jews and criticism of Israel as a means of demonising anyone who speaks out against their agenda.

This is ridiculous. The Palestinians have no more bargaining chips. If they’d made concessions in the past they’d have had their own state

They have no more bargaining chips? Every deal to date has been a raw deal for the Palestinians, who were illegally evicted from their homes, continuously from 1948 to this day

Why should they ever have to accept a statehood dictated to them by their usurper?

All this while Gaza depends on all the foods, drugs, financial helps, works from Israel.

Because Gaza has been blockaded by land air and sea for decades. Why do you think they were forced to build the extensive network of tunnels in to Egypt?

JBone could enlighten us with clear instances of what Palestine negotiators rejected .

A return to pre 67 borders, a halt to settlements and the right of return to displaced Palestinian refugees are some sticking points for Israel.

International law and many International bodies have ruled against Israel's claims over the decades and Israel thumbs it's nose at them.

The next minute they are at the UN pleading how unfair everyone is.

Trying to negotiate with an entity that believes they are "Gods chosen people "must be difficult.

It must be the triumph of cognitive dissonance over plain facts.

There is a slight, but noticeable shift in the air as Israel and its enablers have become aware of the "Sword of Damocles", ie., charges of genocide and aiding and abetting genocide, hovers over them at the ICJ. Israel and its allies will likely very soon be ordered to cease and desist in their mass slaughter of civilians in Gaza. This development is sure to concentrate minds among the perpetrators.

They have no more bargaining chips? Every deal to date has been a raw deal for the Palestinians

Nonsense. Why did Arafat walk away from the 2000 Camp David Summit when Israel offered him more land back than he’d originally requested?

who were illegally evicted from their homes, continuously from 1948 to this day

That was almost 80 years ago. You have to move on. You can’t keep bringing up the past. Answer me this: What would be your solution then? Just kick out every Israeli living there now?

Why should they ever have to accept a statehood dictated to them by their usurper?

Because they’ve lost every conflict they’ve got into with Israel, that’s how it works. Do you think Germany and Japan didn’t have their statehoods dictated to them by the Allies after world war 2?

JBone could enlighten us with clear instances of what Palestine negotiators rejected .

“The proposals included the establishment of a demilitarised Palestinian state on some 92% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, with some territorial compensation for the Palestinians from pre-1967 Israeli territory; the dismantling of most of the settlements and the concentration of the bulk of the settlers inside the 8% of the West Bank to be annexed by Israel; the establishment of the Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, in which some Arab neighborhoods would become sovereign Palestinian territory and others would enjoy "functional autonomy"; Palestinian sovereignty over half the Old City of Jerusalem (the Muslim and Christian quarters) and "custodianship," though not sovereignty, over the Temple Mount; a return of refugees to the prospective Palestinian state though with no "right of return" to Israel proper; and the organisation by the international community of a massive aid programme to facilitate the refugees' rehabilitation.

Arafat said no.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

Israel is using the Hamas attack as an excuse to get what it has wanted all along...eviction of the Palestinians and complete possession of all their land.

exactly!

Of course it's good that South Africa call out the continuing genocide being carried out by Israel, who feel totally comfortable and unhindered in murdering 25,000-plus Palestinians (of which over 10,000 were children and babies). They feel as if they have carte-blanche to carry on killing with impunity as many as they like, as this satisfies their sadistic blood-lust, such is the hatred which exists between the Jews and the Muslims.

The kill-rate is always at least 10-times more Palestinians killed to Israelis, that is the norm for the despicable Netanyahu and his acolytes. He won't be happy til the whole of Gaza is razed to the ground, and becomes totally uninhabitable.

It's high time the rest of the free-countries of the world declared the conflict as a significant genocide situation, then perhaps the UN may just get round to trying to stop the killing and maiming - we can only hope.

Hear! Hear!

At least for Israel a separate and then even more uncontrollable state is strategically the biggest nonsense among possible post-war options.

There was never a 2 state solution rejected by Palestine.

Because there never was a nation or people called Palestine.

There was a region, in which Israel was established, and in which the Arabs rejected the creation of one of their own states. Which turned out not to be so bad since Jordan was established for the Arabs in the Palestine territory; so, there already is a solution.

That means it was directed at the Jewish people, not Israelis, because at that time there was no such nation state as Israel. That means that pro-Zionist shills have conflated the term with racial hated of the Jews and criticism of Israel as a means of demonising anyone who speaks out against their agenda.

Another prime example.

Why is IDF rejecting even the few aid convoys with medical supplies that were to be allowed in?

Probably because Hamas will take them? Also, Israel doesn’t refuse all aid only items that could be used for military purposes

”We are not refusing anything that is underneath four headlines: food, water, medical supplies and shelters. All of those are entering every day," said Colonel Elad Goren of COGAT during a news briefing on Friday.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/civilians-or-hamas-dual-use-issue-complicates-gaza-aid-efforts-2024-01-05/

Blinken said Israel “must stop taking steps that undercut the Palestinians' ability to govern themselves effectively.”

When did any Palestinian Arab governing body govern effectively?

Nonsense. Why did Arafat walk away from the 2000 Camp David Summit when Israel offered him more land back than he’d originally requested?

Because it didnt include the right to return for Palestinians. This has been core to the Palestinian cause. They want their homes returned, they dont just want a state.

That was almost 80 years ago. You have to move on. You can’t keep bringing up the past.

How many years ago was the holocaust? How many months ago was October 7th? Maybe it's time we stopped bringing that up. Unlikely huh.

”We are not refusing anything that is underneath four headlines: food, water, medical supplies and shelters. All of those are entering every day," said Colonel Elad Goren of COGAT during a news briefing on Friday.”

Apart from "Water purifiers, medical supplies and tent poles."

Because it didnt include the right to return for Palestinians.

It did though, just not into Israel proper. Also why should Palestine get every single thing they ask for without making any concessions? That’s what negotiations are for.

How many years ago was the holocaust? How many months ago was October 7th? Maybe it's time we stopped bringing that up. Unlikely huh.

Do you think modern day Germans should be punished because of the Holocaust? Because that’s essentially the argument your making towards the Israelis

A return to pre 67 borders, a halt to settlements and the right of return to displaced Palestinian refugees are some sticking points for Israel.

Pre-67 when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan annexed the West Bank? Those are acceptable to the Arabs?

For as long as this current Israeli leadership is in power, you can almost guarantee they will kill every effort or attempt to return to the Palestinians what they have STOLEN.

For as long as this current Israeli leadership is in power, you can almost guarantee they will kill every effort or attempt to return to the Palestinians what they have STOLEN.

So what you’re saying is that Israel should give up the entirety of its territory back to the Palestinians? Is that what I’m hearing?

It did though, just not into Israel proper

LOL. So it didnt. The right of return = the right to return to their original homeland which was stolen.

Do you think modern day Germans should be punished because of the Holocaust? Because that’s essentially the argument your making towards the Israelis

I think Germany should have had a nice Israel-shaped slice carved out and given to the Jewish victims of the Nazis, but that is besides the point. You just said that we cannot use historical facts in living history to justify the claims of the Palestinians to return home. Yet Zionists have done the exact same thing with Israel. Only their claim is over 3000 years old. The hypocrisy is insane.

""Speaking at a news conference after meeting with top Israeli leaders, Blinken said Israel “must stop taking steps that undercut the Palestinians' ability to govern themselves effectively.”"

AMEN, but without the full backing of the EU and the US, Israel will continue on it's current path of SELF DESTUCT and the destruction of many future peace partners.

WATCH: Jake Tapper OBLITERATES Israeli Official After CNN Producer's Family Killed (youtube.com)

LOL. So it didnt. The right of return = the right to return to their original homeland which was stolen.

There are nearly 7 million Palestinian refugees in the world today. If they were to return to Israel the entire demographic situation would change over night, essentially destroying the state of Israel. Can you name one single country that would be okay with this? Israel was offering more than expected by most parties as concessions at Camp David and Arafat walked away.

You just said that we cannot use historical facts in living history to justify the claims of the Palestinians to return home. Yet Zionists have done the exact same thing with Israel. Only their claim is over 3000 years old. The hypocrisy is insane.

I never said their claim is over 3000 years old so don’t put words in my mouth

LOL. So it didnt. The right of return = the right to return to their original homeland which was stolen.

What do you mean exactly by a right to return?

So let me ask you this: let’s say the descendants of a Palestinian family return to the house their family was “kicked out of” 80 years ago only to find a young Israel family living there now. Do the Palestinians have a right to forcibly remove that Israeli family from the home, even though this young family wasn’t even alive at the time?

Here we go again, Blinking is playing the Two States GAME trying to calm the angry Arabs and let Israel get away with a GENOCIDE.

Yet Zionists have done the exact same thing with Israel. Only their claim is over 3000 years old.

There is a country called Israel in the present day though.

""What do you mean exactly by a right to return?

So let me ask you this: let’s say the descendants of a Palestinian family return to the house their family was “kicked out of” 80 years ago only to find a young Israel family living there now. Do the Palestinians have a right to forcibly remove that Israeli family from the home, even though this young family wasn’t even alive at the time?""

HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, pay it's rightful owners or return it. Israel can afford it.

HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, pay it's rightful owners or return it. Israel can afford it.

What if they don’t want to be paid? What if they demand the “stolen” house back? Should the family be kicked out and it given back?

I never said their claim is over 3000 years old so don’t put words in my mouth

These arent your words. This is the claim Zionists think gives them the right to live in Israel. Whether or not you agree with it, this is the backbone for the for the existence of the state of Israel.

You were happy to dismiss an 80-year old claim to a territory that people who are still alive used to live in, but at the same time support the existence of a state thats only claim to the territory is a few chapter of a magic book over 3000 years ago.

There are nearly 7 million Palestinian refugees in the world today. If they were to return to Israel the entire demographic situation would change over night, essentially destroying the state of Israel.

No-one told Israel to kick the can down the road for 80 years. This could have been settled amicably if the Jewish refugees had just settled in Palestine peacefully rather than barging their way in guns blazing at the locals.

My solution may sound absurd, but the only way this will ever be fixed is a one state solution, where jews, arabs and all the other magic book worshippers live peacefully beside one another. It wont be easy, but it is the only way. And it will necessitate Israel allowing Palestinians to rebuild their homes on what is currently Israeli soil. Forcibly evicting Israelis who have lived in their current homes for decades is also unacceptable, but at least allowing the Palestinians the right to live near to where they once did is a start. As for settlers in the West bank, they must also be allowed to stay where they are.

The Israeli military says it has dismantled Hamas infrastructure in northern Gaza — where entire neighborhoods have been demolished — but is still battling small groups of militants.

Israel still has some work to do.

The world should be outraged that the small groups of militants are using civilians as human shields and prolonging Israel's need to defend itself in Gaza.

Didn’t the PLO blow it when they had the chance to create a Palestinian state? They aren’t the brightest people in the room.

All the usual suspects are acting like ostriches as if the "Elephant" of genocide charges were not in the room. The events of October 7 were the purported justification for the grossly disproportionate 3 months of mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians and a destruction unprecedented in modern times. The truth of the events of that day which has up to now been buried by mendacious atrocity stories put forth by the Netanyahu government to serve Israeli propaganda purposes as a smokescreen for the total destruction of Gaza, has yet to be fully revealed, and the evidence already trickling and now starting to stream out is pointing to the violent actions of the IDF being responsible for the majority of Israeli civilian deaths. The fabricated tales of Hamas atrocities will one day be known to all the world as heinous lies serving to give cover for the IDF to conquer more Arab land coveted by Zionists for their "Greater Israel" delusions.

J Bone provides a claim on the outcomes proposed by Israel which Arafat rejected, neglecting to reveal the wording is mostly from an e Israeli PM.

Regardless...."compensation " for lands seized in war ?

The UN has ruled on this hasnt it.? Any such lands should be returned.

Palestinians given an unfair deal, not statehood but continuing capitulation to a superior military power.

No right of return for refugees uprooted from land Israel now occupies.

Palestine to remain militaryless...ha ha ... Under Israel's suzerainty ?

Just simplify things.

I start from the creation of Israel, what followed, the dispossession of human beings from ancestral homes and ongoing apartheid conditions ruling the original people.

Hmm...sounds like South Africa of a few decades ago.

I dont subscribe to any Jewish/Zionist/Israeli propaganda sites like ""Friends of Israel " either.

They can keep the lies they tell themselves and the orld .

23,000 dead Gazans....who is the terrorist state ?

These arent your words. This is the claim Zionists think gives them the right to live in Israel. Whether or not you agree with it, this is the backbone for the for the existence of the state of Israel.

You were happy to dismiss an 80-year old claim to a territory that people who are still alive used to live in, but at the same time support the existence of a state thats only claim to the territory is a few chapter of a magic book over 3000 years ago.

I don’t care about the magic book claim. The only thing that matters is that Israel has existed for 80 years now and all attempts at trying to destroy it have failed. That’s all the justification for their existence they need.

No-one told Israel to kick the can down the road for 80 years. This could have been settled amicably if the Jewish refugees had just settled in Palestine peacefully rather than barging their way in guns blazing at the locals.

Oh you mean like the 1947 Partition Plan which would have divided the land up 55% to Jews and 45% to Palestinians? You mean the one the Palestinians rejected and then started attacking Jews afterwards?

Forcibly evicting Israelis who have lived in their current homes for decades is also unacceptable, but at least allowing the Palestinians the right to live near to where they once did is a start.

Why shouldn’t they be allowed to return to their homes though? If theft of land results in a moral duty to be returned to its previous owner, why doesn’t the theft of a home result in the moral duty for it to be returned to its former owner?

I don' read or hear so much about the Holocaust these day!? No one is making new dramas, movies, or even writing new books !?

Israel actions in Gaza wiped it all out, the killings of Women, children, and babies in hospital wiped all out.

All the years Jews and their supporters spent building up and making their case for stealing Palestine and converting it to an ALL JEWS state all the media coverage and heartbreaking Holocaust stories we were bombarded with for the past 50 or 70 years are CALM and silent these days.

In law, if no proper title passed to another in the sale of land, there is no contract and no "new oner "

I note Israeli's constantly seeking return of paintings etc from WW2 taken by Germans.

Some posters denying the lawful return of land to Palestinians ,seem to exclude a right to seek this.

I'm sure Jewish descendants of property stolen can still seek return of property or reparation.

Thats why the Jewish defence fails when contrasted with existing facts.

And yes, country called Palestine existed before the creation of Israel

Another fact some want to deny.

Why shouldn’t they be allowed to return to their homes though? If theft of land results in a moral duty to be returned to its previous owner, why doesn’t the theft of a home result in the moral duty for it to be returned to its former owner?

In an ideal world of course it would be nice for the Palestinians who were forcibly evicted form their homes to have them returned, but the reality is that someone else now lives there, and forcing them out would just repeat the same mistakes of the past, breeding more hatred and fuelling the violence. Palestinians returning to what is now Israeli soil should receive reparations and be allowed to rebuild their homes close to where they have ancestral roots. It may be a hard pill to swallow for everyone, but what are the other options? Eternal war?

Israel's government does not want a two state situation, they want all the land to be Israel's.

Israel has had a right wing government for a long long time and since they have been governing they have slowly been increasing land theft in the west bank, and will now duplicate that in Gaza. Right wingers have been chomping to get at Gaza but needed an excuse, a good excuse, to justify their actions in destroying buildings leaving nothing to return to, which in turn justifies rehousing elsewhere, so that Israel can take the land and redevelop it for settlements, for Israelis not for Palestinians to return to.

This has been well planned out by the Israeli Prime Minister who is content to ignore the worlds outcry over land theft, and will even ignore the US on this issue. They know they have enough influence in the US government to ensure that aid to Israel does not stop. Israel has the US under its thumb, and always have had since Israels birth in 1948.

Genocide is occurring in Gaza as the world helplessly watches on, yet Israel is protected by the US veto in the UNSC. A testament to the inability of the UN to protect civilians anywhere on the planet. The five nations with veto power use the system for their own benefit and occasionally to protect an ally. The unaligned are left out in the cold completely.

Israel is committing multiple war crimes and will get away with it. The UN will continue to be ineffective and the dream of a Palestinian state continues to evaporate. No real justice is available until there is a world government made up of delegates from every nation, a bigger version of democratic government. With stable and peaceful transfer of power after world wide elections. States continue to have their own laws but world laws would be fully enforceable in all states and would not be able to be circumvented by state law. China could continue to be a one party state if it chose to be, but they would still have to enact world law for freedoms and rights of the individual.

Just a dream for now, but if it is not the ultimate goal of our species then we have no future but anarchy ahead of us and future generations.

Blinken will go down as one of the worst SoSs in history. How does Israel engage with neighbors who are thoroughly disgusted and pissed off at Israeli behavior? It's simply more meaningless drivel that does nothing more than continue to give cover for the criminal Israeli regime.

I don' read or hear so much about the Holocaust these day!? No one is making new dramas, movies, or even writing new books !?

You spend too much time here.

Netflix is showing Ordinary Men (2023) right now, among other similar themed shows.

Some posters denying the lawful return of land to Palestinians ,seem to exclude a right to seek this.

The land those Arabs abandoned? Or the lands Jordan took?

Genocide is occurring in Gaza as the world helplessly watches on, yet Israel is protected by the US veto in the UNSC.

No genocide under international law.

The fabricated tales of Hamas atrocities will one day be known

Hamas made fake videos of themselves shooting Israeli civilians?

Israel has done a great job of minimizing human casualties

This is what the mainstream media keep saying. It's perverse and psychopathic, but it's what they keep saying. It should be repeated until people recognize it, but this is way worse than Putin in Ukraine. Putin has not killed thousands of children and maimed others. Putin has not bombed hospitals and refugee camps. Putin has not killed hundreds of journalists. There was international approprium against Saudi Arabia for killing one journalist.

Israel is clearly losing this war, it is losing the tacit support of countries including the USA, so in a way, all these deaths will not be in vain. The US was happy to go along with Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians for decades but this is a step too far. The international pressure against this is too strong.

And yes, country called Palestine existed before the creation of Israel

Never.

This is what the mainstream media keep saying. It's perverse and psychopathic, but it's what they keep saying. 

But are you saying we should rely on, ahem, Hamas for our information?

Israel is clearly losing this war,

This is according to Hamas? Then Hamas and other terrorist group supporters shouldn't be complaining.

Zibala: One billion Chinese say there is no state called Israel. Because Google map when using in China only shows Palestine, No Israel. It a start and soon other countries will only recongise Palestine with any reference to Israel when using Google maps. And when will Israel grow some and tell their babysitter USA they can look after themselves. But that will never happen because Israel is still using a pacifier and a bunny rug.

 One billion Chinese say there is no state called Israel.

We rely in China for reality?

But that will never happen because Israel is still using a pacifier and a bunny rug.

Historically Israel has used superior fighting strategies to defeat eleven different Arab countries, and is manhandling Hamas as we speak.

So pacifiers and bunny rugs are routinely used to crush Arab invaders.

So Biden sends Blinken, a Zionist Jew to "urge" the Zionists to give up Zionism?

Historically Israel has used superior fighting strategies to defeat eleven different Arab countries

If by superior fighting strategies you mean illegal "preemptive warfare" and subsidized US made weapons I'll give you that.

Israel has done a great job of minimizing human casualties

Right. Just like the US did a great job minimizing human casualties by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki because we know a land invasion of the Japanese mainland would have cost even more lives.

Israel has done a great job of minimizing human casualties

22,000 Gaza Arabs were killed, mostly women and children.

Only a complete occupation of what remains of Gaza, which frankly resembles piles of rubble where cities use to be, will satisfy the present government in Israel.

The question now is the West Bank/Lebanon/Hezbollah, the consequences of war conflict triggered by Hamas.

Every effort to contain this war must be fully explored.

On a change of government in Israel, removal of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or a breakdown of his coalition leadership could change the course of the conflict.

KumagaijinToday 12:12 pm JST

Israel has done a great job of minimizing human casualties

Right. Just like the US did a great job minimizing human casualties by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki because we know a land invasion of the Japanese mainland would have cost even more lives.

I agree.