Bomb kills 4 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan

Anyone thinking that the Taliban are defeated is not watching what is happend in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Today the Taliban said they will target aid workers. This is yet another means of showing their control and pushing foreign influence out. Soon only tiny fortress communities will be Taliban free in Afghanistan. While in Pakistan their role in the NW regions will be solidified and unresisted.

The war in Afghanistan has been lost. To win now, means starting from zero and pushing back to take control back from the Taliban. But with Pakistan going for peace with the Taliban, this means the war in Afghanistan cannot be won without an equally effective war in Pakistan against Taliban. Which is unlikely given Pakistan's growing instability.

This is a nightmare. And I blame America's most idiotic president George W. Bush for going to Iraq when he should have fought and won Afghanistan first. The price for his incompetence may well be the loss of Pakistan and a long bloody conflict in Afghanistan that may have us pulling out like the Soviets did.

If Pakistan or Afghanistan go down the tube - it will be because of Obama. Too many Liberals don't want to take responsibility for anything and periodically relapse into BDS (Bush-derangement syndrome) and forget that Bush isn't president anymore. During certain parts of the recent presidential campaign, Obama got all hawkish and suggested that he would attack Pakistan if he had to. If he decides to do so, I bet the Left will be all gung-ho for war all of the sudden.

If Pakistan or Afghanistan go down the tube - it will be because of Obama.

a ridiculous statement for so many reasons. read the post above yours for some of them

Too many Liberals don't want to take responsibility for anything and periodically relapse into BDS (Bush-derangement syndrome) and forget that Bush isn't president anymore.

You Bushites love dicking around with time. You all proclaim that Bush kept America safe, except that he did not become president on 9/12/2001 (actually it began 8 months earlier, believe it or not). You all blame Obama for the piss poor economy as if he has been president for years (actually it was Bush, believe it or not). Now it is Afghanistan-Pakistan, as it he pulled resources from that region to go on a fishing expedition in Iraq (actually it was Bush, believe it or not).

Obama is not perfect and the world and economic situation he inherited may end up overwhelming his presidency, but it won't be for the lack of trying. The Bush Legacy is trying enough.

Wolfpack. Denial is a powerful thing isn't it. So let me help you with a little reality.

The war in Afghanistan was started by GWB. It was also subsequently ignored by GWB as he turned his attention to Iraq. And it continued to be ignored until recently when the Taliban have been rather dramatically reminding us of it.

Now if you look at history and Afghanistan you start to get the picture of what is about to unfold there. See Alexander, The Mongols, The British and later the Soviets have all learned that once the locals band together in the mountains and switch from head on war to mountain war, you lose.

Now our modern weapons could well have won this war had we secured the Taliban and assured that NW Pakistan did not become a Taliban homeland. This did not happen. It should have happened by 2003 or 2004. But not enough troops or resources were in place in Afghanistan to achieve this.

So like the Russians and everyone before we failed to take the situation seriously after our initial successes. And now it is payback time.

The Talis are now in control of almost all the frontier regions of Pakistan, including many where they had no input before. The current weak Pakistani government is incapable of dealing with the region so they are brokering deals. These deals seal our fate in Afghanistan. Why? Because it assures the Talis a place to stage and regroup. A place in a nuclear weapons armed country that we cannot simply overthow and do what we want to in their territory. And one that is already in danger by fundamentalist wishing to take power.

Pakistan has become a losing proposition for our side. We cannot attack there without risking war. And Pakistan is happy to put their fight with the Talis aside so they can place more troops on India's border.

So our Afghan Tali enemies now have a safe zone making our job in Afghanistan nearly impossible.

And why? Because we failed militarily, politically and economically to sort out Afghanistan in the early years we were there. Now we are on the losing end of an impossible situtation left to President Obama by that incompetent twit George W. Bush. And his idiotic war in Iraq will not cost many more lives of young Americans and our allies in Aghanistan.

You right wing lot show incredible stupidity when it comes to both history and to understanding the implications of Bush's actions. Denial is no refuge from reality. Death in Afghanistan for our troops is real. The risks in the region are real. And the suffering of their people are all real. Just as real as Bush's mismanagement of our country and our policies in Afghanistan for the past two terms.

Time to face reality. I only wish we could put that aweful man on trial for his poor leadership, corruption and incompetence.

correction: Will now cost more lives.

Things probably would have gone a bit better if the Europeans had offered more than token contributions.

"If Pakistan or Afghanistan go down the tube - it will be because of Obama."

Wolfpack, really....heh, take a bow.

"Things probably would have gone a bit better if the Europeans had offered more than token contributions."

And not because of the US invasion of Iraq? You might as well join wolfpack and blame Obama for the failure if you're wanting to put responsibilty for failure on the Europeans....

Things probably would have gone a bit better if the Europeans had offered more than token contributions.

3 Brits were killed over the weekend in Afghanistan, one from the Royal Welsh on Saturday and two lads from the Queen's Dragoon Guards killed by a road-side bomb yesterday. Neither incident mentioned here surprise surprise.

Soochi,

It always amazes me when an intelligent guy comes out with a statement like that, too.

3 Brits were killed over the weekend in Afghanistan, one from the Royal Welsh on Saturday and two lads from the Queen's Dragoon Guards killed by a road-side bomb yesterday. Neither incident mentioned here surprise surprise

Words fail Sir.