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that the Nazis had been "leftists."

Once again those in the farthest right (think 'bound bundle of wooden rods' far right) are trying to get those unable to read history for themselves, the intellectually vulnerable and others easily manipulated to think that National Socialism, i.e. NAZISM, was leftist.

That's historical revisionism at its most idiotic.

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Sounds like his buddy The Donald....

Just hurl insults and labels, irrespective if they have any basis in fact...

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I think we've discovered one of those boys from Brazil.

Could be from modern Russia or any of the many other places around the globe where neo-fascists are increasing in numbers.

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O Trump brasileiro.

Both ugly inside and out.

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How rare of you to disparage Russia.

Actually I try to disparage all totalitarian states, and Russia is one. But thanks for following me.

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Of course the Nazis were leftists. An inconvenient truth for modern leftists/socialists.

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The far-right Bolsonaro made a solidarity visit to Israel last month during which he raised eyebrows by asserting, after a tour of the Holocaust memorial Yad Vadshem, that the Nazis had been "leftists."

It’s easy to understand why Leftist eyebrows would have been raised after Bolsonaro’s visit to Yad Vadshem. Was it because there is always the fear among Leftists that a similar memorial might some day be raised to the victims of Lenin, Stalin, Mao and lesser tyrants? Or were they not “true” Socialists? Or were the people they defined as enemies deserving of death after all?

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I certainly don't think the Nazis were 'leftists'. I think Bolsonaro, like many people, is confusing ideologies and economic systems.

I would say the Nazis were promoting a rightwing ideology while also using a socialist economic system. The Nazi government's nationalisation and control over every major German company and all aspects of industry in the years before the war place it squarely within the basic/dictionary definition of socialism. However, many people today seem to believe that a socialist economic system can only exist if it's being used to promote a leftwing/egalitarian/internationalist ideology. But it's just not true. There's nothing within the definition of socialism which precludes a rightwing/nationalist state from socialising the means of production to promote a shared rightwing ideology, which is what happened in Nazi Germany.

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Of course the Nazis were leftists

Why did they hate and persecute communists and socialists?

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The nazis were about as left as they were right.

Either side could pick out things that Hilter and the nazis did that fit the other side's ideology.

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Nazis hated Russian Communists and placed Germany first

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Brazil's Bozo is a full bore fascist. The Jewish Holocaust is unforgivable. This dummy is also too stupid to face up to the worst genocide in history - the Native American people of North + South America, half a planet.

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@Anonymous,

Exactly.

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These kind of falsehoods and revisionisms are not accidental.

Nothing false or accidental

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

Thus, last week, Paul Murray complained that young people tempted by left-wing politics fail to understand that the Second World War was waged against socialism. Presumably by this he meant the Axis powers, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. 

*This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union, the state that bore the brunt of the conflict in lives and domestic destruction. But inconvenient facts should not get in the way of a convenient narrative. *"The modern culture doesn't understand WWII," lamented Murray. "Too many of this generation want socialism and don't understand what their relatives fought for and that's why we speak up about it."

They are deliberately designed to stir up hatred.

The Democrats only way to garner support or doubt is always use and play race and victim card when all else fails.

We know what comments like this are trying to achieve and it won't succeed.

What?

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In Germany and Austria, it's a crime punished by a prison term to revise the history of the Holocaust or deny that it happened.

History, as a narrative written by scholars after extensive but not necessarily infallible research and inference, is and will always be subject to revision as new material comes to light. For any government to forbid revision, i.e. the incorporation of new material and new inferences that may be drawn from it, is unconscionable.

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zichiApr. 15 06:19 pm JSTIn Germany and Austria, it's a crime punished by a prison term to revise the history of the Holocaust or deny that it happened.

In Italy it's forbidden to reestablish the original Fascist Party but Benito Mussolini's granddaughter keeps raising a stink in Italian politics with her hate-filled hissy fits. And in Spain the Espana Phalanx founded by Francisco Franco is forbidden.

There was a Japanese filmmaker who advocated the old Japanese fascism that killed himself in the late 60s.

A few years ago a rally held by a handful of people sympathetic to Japanese fascism was jeered at and derided. Japan has long outgrown that crap.

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