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Brexit finally arrives Friday: A momentous yet quiet moment

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The EU is like an obese gluttonous giant, demanding and wanting more and more-the UK is better off out!

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Demanding more and more...

Most people are surprised to find out that the UK’s EU payments, most of which come back as grants etc, are a massive 1% of GDP.

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Under Brexit Britain will be smaller, whiter, older, less powerful internationally, less prosperous, less relevant, and provide fewer social services. On the other hand, they still have that silly, multi-billion dollar reality show known as "The House of Windsor."

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kurisupisuToday 06:54 am JST

The EU is like an obese gluttonous giant, demanding and wanting more and more-the UK is better off out!

Bloomberg estimates Brexit has already cost the UK 130 billion pounds and that's just the start. Your comment is inaccurate.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/brexit-cost-after-boris-bounce-is-still-260-billion-chart

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The UK was a net contributor to the EU!

I imagine that reason is enough for the UK to have wanted to leave-there are numerous others.

Still, the time for debate is over....

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The UK was a net contributor to the EU!

Hardly surprising as it was one of the richer countries. However, the trade benefits more than compensate for the relatively modest net contribution it makes annually.

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Not for the average person it wasn’t.

If trade were the only result of the EU behemoth. as it was originally intended to be, then I can agree.

However, the strain on the infrastructure of the UK, generation rent,NHS waiting etc all meant that immigration became a decisive issue that tipped the balance.

Personally, I got to benefit from the situation financially but many others did not....

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Well done, Britain!

You know, you only had to wait 4 years for this complicated and life changing process to get to where you are today. Yes, there will be a transitional period - things aren't going to magically change immediately. But still, that's quite an achievement.

Ireland has been waiting a hundred years for the occupied 6 counties to leave the UK.

Time to get things moving.

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Personally, I got to benefit from the situation financially but many others did not....

How? Was it like when you backed the Tories to win the election at odds of 3/6?

Anyway, Brexit is done now. Let’s hope the Brexiteers were right...

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@CrazyJoe

I noticed that you listed the following:

Under Brexit Britain will be smaller, whiter, older, less powerful internationally, less prosperous, less relevant, and provide fewer social services.

May I ask why "whiter" is a bad thing? Does it matter what percentage of the country is white?

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Actually, the UK has not left just yet. It now enters the transition period. The Irish PM called the UK just another bunch of small countries.

My youngest brother who has worked at the Rome Opera House for more than 30 years, and has a child how has to apply for citizenship to ensure he can continue to stay.

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The Irish PM called the UK just another bunch of small countries.

You mean An Taoiseach, Leo Varadakar?

Well, that was tactless of him. But that's Fine Gael for you. Remember how they started out.

Though, I think you mean he called the UK "small" because of its forthcoming role outside of the EU?

Perhaps he could have phrased it better (as I said - tact) but in essence, I guess he's right insofar as the UK will be a lesser power without the EU.

Which is fine - that's what the people voted for.

Leo has his own problems with the Irish elections next week. Sinn Fein are gaining - voters are tired with the same old FF/FG civil war parties - and could possibly form a coalition government.

Interesting times ahead for all.

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One year on from now UK citizens to the EU will need passports, visas for stays longer than 90 days, international driving license, no medical cover and care, no pets on vacations.

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Under Brexit Britain will be smaller, whiter, older, less powerful internationally, less prosperous, less relevant, and provide fewer social services. On the other hand, they still have that silly, multi-billion dollar reality show known as "The House of Windsor."

Just roughly 100 years ago, the British Empire was still the largest of its kind before the 21st CE, actively involved in advancing science & technology (while at the same time plundering the resources of its colonies).

But now look at them. No longer a giant in technology or high tech producing country. Politically a divided nation, and seemingly at lost in global political stage.

But it is only natural. Nothing will stay at the top forever. It is cyclical.

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PM Bozo and is government are already backtracking on their election promise.

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The Irish PM called the UK just another bunch of small countries.

The Irish PM is right to a point but it is still one of the largest economies in the world.

Let’s see if it slides down the list after Brexit.

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CrazyJoeToday 07:42 am JST

Under Brexit Britain will be smaller, whiter, older, less powerful internationally, less prosperous, less relevant, and provide fewer social services.

Don't see what the problem with being white has anything to with a positive Brexit, if being white is such an issue why do so many other countries want to migrate to those great white countries. As for social services that's what is sending the west bankrupt the welfare state needs to reined in big time right across all western nations.

I hope the British pull off a very successful future as an independent country free from the EU rules.

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As for social services that's what is sending the west bankrupt the welfare state needs to reined in big time right across all western nations.

Capitalism is the arch bankrupter. It bankrupts morals, humanity and compassion.

Of course there are those who abuse the welfare state but they are not representative of people, through no fault of their own, have to rely on assistance.

It's not a charmed life, seeking assistance. Unless you truly believe that people choose to be on benefits?

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@Jimizo

Surely, I wrote 6-3 odds, no?

Anyway, FYI, the real moneymaker wasn’t the gambling, I would never condone that.

The real money is to be made as a HNWI.

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Congratulations! Now, I am hoping for an Itaxit, Swexit, Fixit, and many more, until Merkel and Macaron are left alone in their megalomanic new empire.

The EC was a good concept, with the EU and its imperalist overreach, the corrupt EU politicians have gone way too far.

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zichi:

One year on from now UK citizens to the EU will need passports, visas for stays longer than 90 days, international driving license, no medical cover and care, no pets on vacations.

A prediction! I love it. I will make a note and remind you in 1 year when it turns out wrong.

As you know, predictions are the reality check of who correctly understand a situation and who does not. Thanks!

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Congratulations! Now, I am hoping for an Itaxit, Swexit, Fixit, and many more, until Merkel and Macaron are left alone in their megalomanic new empire.

And presumably you're also hoping for the 6 counties to leave the UK, and for Scotland as well?

Fair's fair. I'm sure you won't begrudge such exits.

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megalomanic new empire

Oh, take it easy. This isn’t the Daily Mail letters page. What next? Seeing off Napoleon and Hitler?

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Oh, take it easy. This isn’t the Daily Mail letters page. What next? Seeing off Napoleon and Hitler?

Correct. Some people are clearly being swept up in hyperbole and jingoism.

That's exactly the kind of sloganeering that led to the whole situation which culminated in Farage and co. waving their little flags the other day.

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if being white is such an issue why do so many other countries want to migrate to those great white countries.

Being white isn't in itself an issue.

The issue is when a significant proportion of society, including productive members with a vital role to play, find themselves the target of government 'hostile environment' policies that encourage the general population to be discriminatory (or maybe it's the other way round - whichever it is, I don't understand it.).

Either way the idea of grouping/judging/persecuting people on the basis of their skin colour is stupid and detrimental to the country as a whole.

As is Brexit.

Farage and co. waving their little flags

Farage is an embarrassment.

Invalid CSRF

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And presumably you're also hoping for the 6 counties to leave the UK

Is there a desire in NI for a reunited Ireland? Genuine question, I have no idea. Wouldn't it start a civil war?

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WillB

A prediction! I love it. I will make a note and remind you in 1 year when it turns out wrong.

Not a prediction but the real situation which will applies to all non EU citizens entering the EU. This details are available on the government website if you bother to check.

I guess you are rooting for both Northern Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK.

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From 2021 people will have to use carnet again to move equipment goods not for sale around the EU. I used those previously.

http://www.travlaw.co.uk/blog_posts/no-deal-brexit-goods-that-are-not-for-sale/

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Not a prediction but the real situation which will applies to all non EU citizens entering the EU. This details are available on the government website if you bother to check.

Facts are terrible things to people who see globalists and CNN hiding under the bed.

Don’t you wish some people would acquaint themselves with some facts now and again?

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Now for England, Wales and Northern Ireland to have a referendum over whether to still allow Scotland to remain part of the UK. The Scots have been good for their comedy value but they are beginning to wear out their welcome.

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zichi:

Not a prediction but the real situation which will applies to all non EU citizens entering the EU. This details are available on the government website if you bother to check.

Those rules can be changed by mutual agreement. Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU, and my friends and relatives and friends there have no particular problems. Those are the best countries in Europe, by the way.

This whole end of the world hype about Brexit reminds me very much of the orangemanbad hysteria in America.

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Zichi:

From 2021 people will have to use carnet again to move equipment goods not for sale around the EU. I used those previously.

The end of the world! To avoid those demonic carnets, you have to submit to the EU empire. Yes, yes.

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zichi:

Not a prediction but the real situation which will applies to all non EU citizens entering the EU. This details are available on the government website if you bother to check.

Here is what the government website says: "After 31 January 2020 there will be a transition period until the end of 2020, while the UK and EU negotiate additional arrangements."

So your prediction is that no arrangements will be negotiated. Again, I will remind you of your prediction 1 year from now.

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@TH

Soon there’ll be more Catholics in the North than Protestants- you’ll get your wish...

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Now for England, Wales and Northern Ireland to have a referendum over whether to still allow Scotland to remain part of the UK.

That seems a reasonable idea. There should probably some kind of consensus of who can be part of the UK. By the same token, perhaps Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should hold a referendum on whether to allow England to remain part of the UK.

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The Scots have been good for their comedy value but they are beginning to wear out their welcome.

Nah, they're all right, especially this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYatqhph9g

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Under Brexit Britain will... whiter

So what! White people too are ethnic. White is a color and white people too are people of color. They too have have cultures. A white majority country isn't evil or even a bad thing. It's ok to be white. Reverse racism and white guilt aren't the cure for historical racism.

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WilliB

This whole end of the world hype about Brexit reminds me very much of the orangemanbad hysteria in America.

Many aspects for British people entering, vacating and transiting the EU will return to the previous requirements prior to joining the EU. I doubt the EU will give British citizens special permissions not offered to citizens of other non EU countries.

It's not about the "end-of-the-world-hype" claimed by you. It's a case of us Brits knowing what the future means for us.

Initially, the UK government/EU stated there wouldn't be any problem about the Brits continuing to live in the EU. But then my youngest brother who has lived in Rome for 30 years now needs to apply for Italian citizenship to ensure he can continue to live and work there.

There are hundreds of thousands of retired Brits living in Spain and parts of France who will be impacted by the UK leaving the EU. After next year they will require private health insurance for their medical needs which is always high when you get old.

You state

Here is what the government website says: "After 31 January 2020 there will be a transition period until the end of 2020, while the UK and EU negotiate additional arrangements."

I think those negotiations will all be about reaching a trade agreement and dealing with the Irish border. Not about British citizens keeping the same rights has when the UK was part of the EU. At the moment the British government wants a trade agreement on their terms but the ball is very much with the EU. We could just crash out without trade agreement and we will have to fall back to those WTO.

The UK wanted a 100% break on their terms. Different than Switzerland and Norway.

As Brit, I would appreciate any real facts you have but anything less is useless to us.

I expect you have no experience of using carnets for moving goods and equipment across borders. Well I have for many reasons. They are very time consuming because every item must be included on the form. You can imaging how much equipment a film company takes or a major band with a huge amount of equipment.

We can't leave the EU and also still have the same rights as before.

Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU.

Norway and Switzerland are part of the EU single market and must follow the rules but without any say about them.

You might like to do a bit of reading

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-europe

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Under Brexit Britain will... whiter

So what! White people too are ethnic. White is a color and white people too are people of color. They too have have cultures. A white majority country isn't evil or even a bad thing. It's ok to be white. Reverse racism and white guilt aren't the cure for historical racism.

This is a joke, right? Six "white" in one 3-line post?

If not, I guess we now know some there are some "very fine people" here on JT...

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This whole end of the world hype about Brexit reminds me very much of the orangemanbad hysteria in America.

Why exaggerate? ‘Megalomanic’ empires? End of the world?

Sensible people are talking about economic impact.

The belief that the UK will suffer economically from Brexit is one put forward by cleverer people than you or I. There are also clever people putting forward the idea that the country will be better off. There are some arguing in good faith on both sides and others who aren’t. You undoubtedly dismiss the first group as globalist elites who watch CNN, but that is the way you swing and why you are incapable of being objective.

As for me, I’m a British citizen and I hope the Brexiteers were right. The poor will suffer no matter what under the Tories and an economic downturn would be catastrophic for them.

As for the discussion about Scotland and NI, I honestly couldn’t really give a toss what they do in terms of deciding on independence, but it must be done democratically.

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WillB

Those rules can be changed by mutual agreement. Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU,

Norway, Switzerland and EU laws

https://fullfact.org/europe/norway-switzerland-eu-laws/

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So no new Brits can move to the EU to live and work. They can continue during the transition period but after that will have to show they lived in the EU country for five years prior to June 2021.

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I shall apply for my Irish passport and keep my EU rights.

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So, Brexit is here, and guess what.... live goes on. None of these doomsday scenarios that the remainers bleated about are happening.

It is like year 2000 Computer disaster all over again, remember that one?

Happy Brexit Day!

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It is like year 2000 Computer disaster all over again, remember that one?

Yes. The problems were clear. The solutions were fairly clear. A lot of people worked hard to make sure a disaster didn't happen.

In other words, it's nothing like year 2000.

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The 2K computer problem was a single problem and hundreds of thousands of computer engineers worked hard to prevent a single event from happening. Simplistic overtones don't create solutions or even recognise the problems.

The Brexit has created multi events. Many like a trade agreement we don't know what will happen at this stage. A deal or a WTO crash out.

During the last three years too many EU people living in the UK have experienced hatred toward them. Will that now stop or will it continue.

I never once posted about any type of Brexit Doomsday because that won't actually happen.

During the December election campaign, the conservatives promised more public spending but less than two months in the job, they are again talking about cuts. What other promises will leave fail to deliver.

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albaleo:

Yes. The problems were clear.

This time the problems are imaginary.

The solutions were fairly clear. A lot of people worked hard to make sure a disaster didn't happen.

Well, this time a lot of people worked to make sure to convince everybody a disaster would happen.

In other words, it's nothing like year 2000.

The hype is the same.

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So, Brexit is here, and guess what.... live goes on. None of these doomsday scenarios that the remainers bleated about are happening.

Are you arguing with a voice in your head?

Those globalists in league with CNN are creating demons.

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WilliBToday 01:35 am JSTalbaleo:

Yes. The problems were clear.

This time the problems are imaginary.

The solutions were fairly clear. A lot of people worked hard to make sure a disaster didn't happen.

Well, this time a lot of people worked to make sure to convince everybody a disaster would happen.

In other words, it's nothing like year 2000.

The hype is the same

Y2K, Rosh Hashanah 1988, solar eclipse, 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast, Comet Hale-Bopp - there are always those shrieking hyper-in-the-diaper ignoramuses who stir up crap in order to get your attention, loyalty, money. For them, Doomsday is always tomorrow.

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This time the problems are imaginary.

Tell that to the British Business community who have been unable to plan until they know what if any trade deal with actually mean for them. In the coming months what will happen with the pound Euro exchange rates and what plans will be needed if Britain crashes out with a trade deal. Experts warn fluctuations could soon affect GBP.

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I shall celebrate with a rather nice bottle of superior English Champagne (yes, yes that was deliberate). I voted against the EEC in 1975, studying law at the time I was well aware of serious problems in store, my opinion hasn’t changed in essence since though if it had stayed an economic, free trade area that we were sold I doubt if we would have ever left, but it didn’t. It morphed in to a centralised, anti-democratic, corrupt and sclerotic bureaucracy.

It is not just whether Britain can prosper without the EU, but whether the EU can survive without radical change.

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People forget that Britain was the sick man of Europe in the 70s

Hope they avoid that this time

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So, Brexit is here, and guess what.... live goes on. None of these doomsday scenarios that the remainers bleated about are happening.

The doomsday scenario was on a no-deal Brexit - a type of Brexit that some advocate

But there was a deal, and under that deal, during the transition period, Britain would still be mostly under EU rules. So depends how people like to still be under EU rules during the transition

Now after the transition period, depending if Britain and EU are able to make a deal for post-transition, that's when the real Brexit begins

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comedy value

Brexit has been a farce & low quality comedy for the rest of world too.

Northern Ireland and Scotland to leave the UK

Amen to that!

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