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What a mess. What an absolute mess.

I have no idea how this is going to play out, but it will not be the Brexiteers that have to clean up the mess.

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BREXIT now! The remoaners will be defeated and the result of the referendum carried out. These remoaner MPs are despicable but happy to see they will be challenged in court.

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Amber Rudd resigned? Well Amber Rudd is a zero political commodity, the timing is consummate to Amber Rudd betrayal of of her local Hastings constituency. Amber Rudd I suggest are her won worst enemy.

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A face in car

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Sorry needs a rewrite, from a bash out...

Amber Rudd resigned? Well Amber Rudd is a zero political commodity, the timing is consummate to Amber Rudd betrayal of her own local Hastings constituency. Amber Rudd, I suggest is her own worst enemy.

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Has the EU said they would agree to an extension?

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There are many things I miss about Great Britain, Parliaments respect for democracy?

Lets be honest Amber Rudd, and political realism can be defined by Rudd s own Hastings constituents......

https://www.amberrudd.co.uk/news/ambers-pier-statement

The reality is politicly, securing a majority, a win irrespective of any form of social justice or democratic mandate for the Hatings

Amber Rudd is as fake as some dysfunctional pirate peg leg.

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"SuperLib"

since the French already indicated that they will not go with another extension ... no, there won't be one, since ALL member states have to agree. Besides, another delay would lead to even more confusion. Better an end in pain than pain without end!

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Amputation without anesthesia! Get ready for some pain!

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The EU won't agree to an extension without a GE and/or a referendum or other 'promise' that british pollies have finally decided to stso.

"In the current circumstances, it's no!" French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told a Sunday political talk show in Paris. "We are not going through this every three months."

This is exactly what the uk has been lacking in the last 3 years, some good old euro bluntness/directness and a clear direction. The brexit circus gets more surreal each week, with no end in sight. Absolutely disgraceful.

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Has the EU said they would agree to an extension?

Apparently the rebel MPs checked and wrote the rebel bill accordingly.

The French are making noises like the last time about it, but they may be for French voters and not reflect what they are going to do. If we believe what is written, Macron sounded angry in March as electioneering for the European elections.

The EU will understand better than anyone, the UK public certainly, how long any trade negotiations with UK will take following a No Deal Brexit. The UK public is fatigued and wants this over with, but No Deal just means negotiations will continue on and on for years into the future. Nearly half of UK exports go to the EU. Slapping tariffs on half your exports and then doing nothing to lower them is the road to economic ruin.

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Why did the U.K. bother having the referendum if the results are not to be carried out?

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The remoaners

I stopped reading there.

The French love showboating in the EU and as kohakuebisu pointed out, this could be a bit of posturing for the French electorate.

That said, this is getting very tiresome for everyone involved.

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JimizoToday  10:06 am JST

"The remoaners"

I stopped reading there.

Good decision.

SerranoToday  09:59 am JST

Why did the U.K. bother having the referendum if the results are not to be carried out?

Do you know anything at all about this topic?

RecklessToday  08:53 am JST

Amputation without anesthesia! Get ready for some pain!

No-deal Brexit, you mean? Doesn't look like Parliament is going to let that happen.

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It's all he CAN do.  The political class in the UK are showing how inept they really are.  He should shove Brexit thru and get on with fixing other broken areas on the UK. 

EU anyway unlikely to agree another 3 month extension.

No other party has a credible position.  Labour's showing on the weekend was just laughable - we will push May's deal thru and the voter against it in a referendum?????    Lib DEms and their Remain strategy is equally risible.  Scots want independence but want to be part of EU.

Ridiculous.

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LOL!

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KaerimashitaToday  10:28 am JST

It's all he CAN do. The political class in the UK are showing how inept they really are. He should shove Brexit thru...

How do you propose he does that, with no Commons majority?

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PM Bozo will send a letter requesting an extension. Obeying the law.

The EU will request a reason why?

PM Bozo will say there are no reasons.

The EU will deny the extension.

UK crashes out on Oct 31.

Game, set and match PM Bozo.

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Plaid Cymru has raised the possibility of impeaching Johnson if he doesn't follow the law.

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Boris Johnson 'will sabotage Remainer plot by sending letter requesting Brexit extension to EU as new law requires... then send ANOTHER explaining why they should ignore the first'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7441949/Boriss-cunning-plan-sabotage-Remain-plot.html

Looks like Boris will follow the law, but not in the way remainer MPs want him to.

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isn't this how the last one lost her job?

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Like Zichi said.

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The reality of Brexit changes by the hour but the end game could be the same.

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Johnson: If you don't give me what i want I'l hold the UK's collective breath until we all turn blue in the face and choke.

EU: What exactly is it you want?

Johnson: Who knows? But I want it NOW! Do or die! in a ditch!

EU: (Gathers up the children and slowly backs away from the house-hared mad man)

Game, set and match PM Bozo.

And the UK out of the running for inclusion in any adult activities for the foreseeable future.

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house-hared mad man = tousle-haired mad man

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@cleo

Johnson: If you don't give me what i want I'l hold the UK's collective breath until we all turn blue in the face and choke.

I've noticed that you have used the analogy of holding one's breath until blue in the face quite a few times when talking about Brexit. When someone uses the same example multiple times, and it is quite a specifiic one, it is more often than not, a form a projection.

Time to stop holding your breath, cleo.

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Boris at this point is reinacting the role of the Black Knight in Search for the Holy Grail...

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Bozo is more like the "Life of Brian!"

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All the Tory masterplans about engineering No Deal seem to involve the opposition sitting around doing nothing. We have seen this week that that is not what happens.

If push comes to shove, Johnson will be expelled in a vote of no confidence and a different PM will demand the extension. Johnson's majority is minus forty-five and growing. The larger it is, the easier it is to form another government from existing MPs without holding an election.

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I've noticed that you have used the analogy of holding one's breath until blue in the face quite a few times when talking about Brexit.

Yeah, maybe you've noticed it's a tactic little kids use when they're having a tantrum and have lost all self-control.

Bozo reminds me of a little kid who's got himself into a tantrum and is lying kicking and screaming on the floor.

Meanwhile the grown-ups are one by one walking away and pretending they don't know him.

As the Japanese say when a kid starts acting up, 親の顔見たい.

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The French are making noises like the last time about it, but they may be for French voters and not reflect what they are going to do.

I think you and a couple of others on here are reading wayyyy too much into what was a simple, direct answer. I’d like to believe than any euro – and ideally Brit, remainer/leaver- with a modicum of intellectual honesty would have given a similar answer. What else could he say?! “sure, why not. Only been doing this for the last 3 years, mate. Yeah we already granted them an extension but it was a short one, only 6m so it’s understandable that our british counterparts may just need some more time hey’. Arent you guys tired of pollies’ convoluted bs?! Embrace directness and stop being a victim ffs! And stop being so paranoid, the ‘we know euros esp the french don’t like us and they’ll do everything to derail Brexit etc’ excuses are getting tiresome and quite frankly embarrassing tbh.

Get your lot to sort out a mess of their own doing, put pressure on your govt so that euros/brits (ppl, workers, companies etc) can get on with their lives & EU/uk govts can spend money where it really matters.

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Bozo reminds me of a little kid who's got himself into a tantrum and is lying kicking and screaming on the floor.

Why is everything so emotional? Turning blue in the face. Kicking and screaming. Having a tantrum. Losing self-control.

If you have to describe the situation in such terms, it says a lot about how you perceive the situation.

Brexit is a serious matter. It's not a game.

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Brexit is a serious matter

That’s why a second-rate show pony like Johnson is not fit for purpose.

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That’s why a second-rate show pony like Johnson is not fit for purpose.

Which is why if the majority of MPs think this, they should have voted against him in a VoNC. They didn't, though.

They stated that it was in order to stop No-Deal. This reason is not believed by most of the UK. The public think they have done this to stop Brexit from happening at all.

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Which is why if the majority of MPs think this, they should have voted against him in a VoNC. They didn't, though.

You should know that MPs don’t always vote based on personal convictions.

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Brexit is a serious matter. It's not a game.

of course its a serious matter, but Bozo and his minions seem to think that a no-deal will suddenly make the EU come running back to the negotiating table. If anything they seem more determined to close it once and for all. Make no mistake the UK will suffer far more over the long term from a no-deal Brexit, the EU knows this so does the UK , I think the bluff is well and truly spent. Anybody who puts a countries economic future at risk over a bluff doesn't deserve to lead the UK

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A vote of no confidence at this time would have required Bozo to resign and call a general election which wouldn't have prevented a no deal exit from happening. Two thirds to win.

The no deal seems to be on course to happen.

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You should know that MPs don’t always vote based on personal convictions.

If they believe Boris will lead the country to a No-Deal Brexit, they should have removed him already (if they aren't basing their vote on personal convictions).

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Why is everything so emotional?

You tell me.

come what may

do or die

dead in a ditch

Brexit is a serious matter. It's not a game.

Bozo is the one playing games - If Parliament forces me to ask the EU for an extension, I'll send them another letter saying I don't mean it?

they should have removed him already

Yes they should have. And they should have voted to revoke Article 50, because no amount of 'negotiation', no variety of 'backstop' is going to produce rainbows and unicorns for all.

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Yes they should have. And they should have voted to revoke Article 50, because no amount of 'negotiation', no variety of 'backstop' is going to produce rainbows and unicorns for all.

What do you think the repercussions with the British public will be if they revoke Article 50 without an election, cleo?

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What do you think the repercussions with the British public will be if they revoke Article 50 without an election

Probably not as bad as the long-term repercussions if the UK crashes out.

No need to do it 'without an election', though; once it became clear that a sensible, workable deal was not to be had, the people should have been offered a second referendum, with the choices clearly set out.

YouGov polls show that since January 2018, a majority believe that the UK was wrong to vote to leave the EU.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

As of the 4th September, given another referendum 46% would vote to remain, and 43% to leave.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

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If the EU refuse and extension, revoking Article 50 might be the only option for remain MPs. There would be no opportunity to have an election of referendum in that case because of time.

If Parliament revokes Article 50 before and election or another referendum could be held, what do you think the British public will do?

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Cleo, Parliament cannot revoke Article 50 without another referendum.

Well that depends politically whom you ask, this LSE post Ewan McGaughey, an opinion piece We can and should revoke Article 50: here’s how to do it..........

I studied my higher eduction and received my masters at the LSE , accounting and finance.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/03/26/we-can-and-should-revoke-article-50-heres-how-to-do-it/

In reality Ewan McGaughey opinion piece is another political temper tantrum.

The ECJ ruling stated unilateral revocation cannot be and I quote : "Revocation must be decided following a democratic process in accordance with national constitutional requirements.".......That is important democratically and legislatively...

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Cleo, Parliament cannot revoke Article 50 without another referendum.

Cleo, If you really believed that the electorate had changed there mind on a change of government you would be calling for a General Election.

But alas you may be as frightened a Jeremy Corbyn of he outcome. Could it not be Democracy counts only when the great unwashed agrees with your opinion. Is that not the case?

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we know euros esp the french don’t like us and they’ll do everything to derail Brexit etc’ excuses are getting tiresome and quite frankly embarrassing tbh.

The Brits have been a mess since Brexit and a pain in the backside for the EU before Brexit.

The French love grandstanding at the EU.

Both are true, but I agree the Brits own this one. Blaming the French for doing what they do is pathetic.

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Jimizo

There is a huge difference between The French and the protestations of the French Government.

One can spot the difference by the yellow vest.

It is the UK Parliamentary Establishment that has caused this constitutional crisis.

An General Election was offered and subsequentially refused by the Labour Party opposition after only a week ago calling for a General Election, those are the facts.

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There is a huge difference between The French and the protestations of the French Government.

I meant the French government as I meant the British government.

As for Labour refusing a general election, that was political common sense. Perfectly understandable.

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Cleo, Parliament cannot revoke Article 50 without another referendum.

Yes, it can. Referendums are advisory, not legally binding. It's been noted here often enough, I'm surprised you haven't heard this before.

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Jimizo I know you did, so I will take the French nonsense back,

Why do you believe that Labour will fall on stony ground in a General Election? Let the people decide? Yes? No?

A week ago Jeremy Corbyn called for a General Election, his party sent leaflets to there constituency parties to prepare for the eventuality. Why when a bluff is called run scared?

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Luddite,

There are obvious differences between National Referenda and the Lisbon Treaty Article 50, you have actually answered you own question.

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Yes, it can. Referendums are advisory, not legally binding. It's been noted here often enough, I'm surprised you haven't heard this before.

The Gina Miller case following the first referendum showed that an Act of Parliament was required to trigger Article 50. Surely it would be the same therefore to reverse it.

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No the Gina Miller case had little or nothing to do with the triggering of Article 50 or its revocation, please read the Judgement of the UK Supreme Court!!

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-judgment.pdf

Article 50 is part and parcel of the Lisbon Treaty and is the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

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Why when a bluff is called run scared?

I don’t know if it’s fear. It might be. Who cares? My politics are closer to Corbyn’s than Johnson’s, but don’t think I’m fighting Corbyn’s corner. I think he’s disorganised and dithering, but he’s certainly had a history of opposing the leadership of his party and causing trouble. I’m not sure if coward is the right word for him.

This, however, is something he got right.

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If you really believed that the electorate had changed there mind on a change of government you would be calling for a General Election.

Where did I mention a change of government?

The polls I quoted show the majority of people think Brexit is a bad idea.

YouGov says the Cons would have a 10% lead (35% vs about 25%) 'If there were a general election held tomorrow'. Labour would have to work together with the Lib Dems, the Greens and the SNP.

That said, I don't think it's very smart to hold a general election on a single issue, even one as important as Brexit.

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Article 50 is part and parcel of the Lisbon Treaty and is the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

If the UK Government wants to revoke Article 50 it must follow the processes here …..

Such a revocation, decided in accordance with its own national constitutional requirements, would have the effect that the United Kingdom remains in the EU under terms that are unchanged as regards its status as a Member State......

This is so vague and ambiguous as to be meaningless, but parliament would have to ultimately return to the people ...

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2018-12/cp180191en.pdf

Corbyn is the ultimate nearly man , Jimizo, always the back bench revolutionary activist, that is not leadership.

When presented with the once in a lifetime opportunity to fight his corner for control of Government he folded.

If one wants something badly enough you stand your ground and fight for it. There is no time like the present. It is shameful white feather cowardice to run away and hide.

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Corbyn is the ultimate nearly man , Jimizo, always the back bench revolutionary activist, that is not leadership.

I agree. A competent Labour leader would have thrashed May last time out.

once in a lifetime opportunity

What? An election is inevitable - the Tories are disintegrating. Not doing it when Johnson ‘wanted’ isn’t throwing away a ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’. I honestly think your hatred of this man is clouding your reason here.

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Cleo General Elections are never carried out on single issues, Theresa May 2017 calamity proves that. Polls are a fools paradise, yes I fluttered on the 2016 UK EU referenda and lost, yes I thought UK would remain and I received a bloody nose financially

Jimizo I am not a fan of either Johnson or Corbyn either

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Why not hold a snap election to determine how many of the British public stands behind Boris Johnson and how many oppose him ?

Surely this would help to provide much needed clarity and calm matters down a bit.

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Why not hold a snap election to determine how many of the British public stands behind Boris Johnson and how many oppose him ?

As itsonloyrocknroll points out, general elections are never held on a single issue: a general election is not the way to decide Brexit one way or the other.

How do you vote if you want a no-deal Brexit, or any kind of Brexit, but feel Bozo is a ploncker not fit to be out alone?

How do you vote if you think the sun shines out of Bozo's earholes but you really, really want to stay in the EU or really, really don't want a no-deal?

Or if you don't really care much either way about Brexit, but cannot stomach one or other party's stance on (eg) private schools, NHS funding, pensions, fox-hunting, zero-hours contracts or a thousand and one other things that you feel affect your life?

If you want to know what the public thinks about Brexit, then ask them about Brexit.

In a proper, legally-binding, legally regulated, referendum. Devoid of lying buses, illegal marketing messages, illegal overspending and other corrupt and illegal practices, and with proper legal safeguards in place. And give a fair voice to the young, who will be affected by the decision long after the old bogies who are nostalgic for Empire are dead and buried.

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There is no point in having a second referendum because MPs opposed to Brexit have already said that if the result is leave again (on WTO terms), they won't respect the result.

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There is no point in having a second referendum because MPs opposed to Brexit have already said that if the result is leave again (on WTO terms), they won't respect the result.

If it's a binding referendum, they'll have to. Or they'll be anarchists.

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Cleo everything you state makes sense in a perfect world, at least logically.

Politically it is not a perfect world, a party has to state there case eloquently, debate the issues, policies and produce a coherent manifesto etc etc then trust the electorate. That is democracy for better or for worse.

The reason remain failed was not because of buses and social media marketing, remain failed because it ran a poorly managed arrogant campaign, and have spent the last three years whinging and falling back on excuse after excuse.

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If it's a binding referendum, they'll have to. Or they'll be anarchists

They were bound by the first referendum by campaigning on a manifesto to respect the result to leave in the 2017 General Election.

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The referendum wasn't legally binding but the Article 50 from that is.

We are reaching the end of the road with options and finally it looks like withdrawing the Article 50 would be the only way to stop a Brexit. That isn't going to happen.

Unfortunately, PM Bozo is holding the joker card!

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WilliBToday 04:47 pm JST

The remainer traitors now make laws preventing the will of the people. Truly a pathetic time for the oldest democracy.

Interesting comment. In what way are 95% of my family and friends "traitors"? Perhaps you could explain.

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Truly a pathetic time for the oldest democracy.

The oldest democracy would be Greece.

The remainer traitors now make laws preventing the will of the people

It wasn't the will of the people but a small majority of people who voted to leave. The will of the people is never one sided. Traitors would be the wrong word in any democracy.

Two of the four countries voted to remain. Two of the four countries voted to leave.

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The Queen should suspend Parliament and Boris should go for No Deal.

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A General Election could well sort out the failures of this current Parliament.

A General Election will not solve Brexit, mainly because the UK leaving the European Union is a journey and will require negotiations over an extended period of time measured in years.

What I find disturbing is how this Parliament has lost faith and thus showing utter contempt for the electorate and democracy.

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The reason remain failed was not because of buses and social media marketing, remain failedbecause it ran a poorly managed arrogant campaign

The reason Leave won was because of buses and marketing and dodgy spending and, let's be honest, xenophobia.

The reason Remain lost was that the benefits of EU membership were/are so bloomin' obvious that the campaigners didn't bother to put together the kind of all-out over-the-top we-won't-take-No-for-an-answer strategy that the leavers did, I'll give you that.

Farage said that a 52-48 result would be 'unfinished business'. As indeed it should be. You don't instigate deep constitutional changes on a 4% margin of error in a head-count.

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The reason Leave won was because of buses and marketing and dodgy spending and, let's be honest, xenophobia.

Do you actually believe this? You think 1.4 million more people voted leave because of this?

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They were bound by the first referendum by...

No they weren’t. The referendum was not binding. If it was, it would have been binding. It wasn’t.

Remember, politicians are not bound by things they say, otherwise there would be reckoning for the lies on the buses.

No, there is only one factor that determines whether or not a referendum is binding, and this one did not meet that factor.

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No they weren’t. The referendum was not binding. If it was, it would have been binding. It wasn’t.

Go back and read the comment again. I never said the referendum was binding.

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Then they weren’t bound to it.

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The Queen should suspend Parliament and Boris should go for No Deal.

No she shouldn't; no he shouldn't.

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Looks like Boris will follow the law, but not in the way remainer MPs want him to.

Sending a second letter asking not to grant an extension would be illegal.

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Which is why if the majority of MPs think this, they should have voted against him in a VoNC. They didn't, though.

They didn't because no such vote was tabled.

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The reason remain failed was not because of buses and social media marketing, remain failedbecause it ran a poorly managed arrogant campaign

How about a bit of both? The remain campaign was largely poor as you said.

You really are dug in deep in the trench on this Brexit business. Xenophobic Brexiteers are actually remainers trying to make Brexit look bad, and now the misleading poster was ineffective.

Give a little here. Let’s be honest.

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I thought Macron was against another extension.

I guess Europe will accept an extension if a second referendum is put on the table.

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Cleo, the electorate that swung the leave vote made there decision along time before they caught sight of any Boris bus offering pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. If the electorate cannot hold there politicians accountable for the laws they enact that is not a democracy or a union.

Read for yourself there is little or no transparency in the council of minsters decision making process …....EU citizens have little or no idea who propose the laws or directives especially those that relate to the common agricultural policy.

Annual Report 2018.........

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/annual/en/113728

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The EU will understand better than anyone, the UK public certainly, how long any trade negotiations with UK will take following a No Deal Brexit. The UK public is fatigued and wants this over with, but No Deal just means negotiations will continue on and on for years into the future. Nearly half of UK exports go to the EU. Slapping tariffs on half your exports and then doing nothing to lower them is the road to economic ruin.

Many apologies for quoting myself, but Leo Varadkar, the Irish PM, has just confirmed in the clearest possible terms that No Deal is not a clean break and will not "just get it done". If the UK public are fatigued now, they should not pretend No Deal will get Brexit and trade deals and the Irish Border off their TV screens. No Deal guarantees this will drag on and on and on.

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Brexit never should have hinged on a slim majority. Its one of those things you require a 2/3 majority for. What foolishness the first vote was. You don't just withdraw casually from an international union upon a slim majority wanting it cause when you have a slim majority wanting back in later you probably won't be admitted since you might jump out again.

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PM Bozo meeting with the Irish PM. No alternatives to the backdrop which will come down when the UK crashes out.

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Last day in parliament before shutdown.

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The Queen should suspend Parliament and Boris should go for No Deal.

No she shouldn't;

Why not? Parliament's a joke at this point. Sort of like the U.S. Congress.

no he shouldn't.

Yes, he should. Being a vassal of the globalist EU will be a disaster.

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Bercow has just announced he is standing down at the next election if it is in mid Oct, or by 31st of Oct at the latest.

He broke and twisted the role of the Speaker in order to stand in the way of democracy by using arcane parliamentary procedures when it suited him. Odious little toad he is.

Good riddance. Let us hope a better and impartial Speaker takes his place.

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The Queen must refuse to sign the surrender bill from these despicable remoaners and Britain leaves on a no deal Brexit on October 31st. Should have been out months ago at the end of March, The majority voted to leave and these remoaner MPs have refused to accept the decision. Absolutely disgusting. It's no wonder MPs are held in such contempt these days. I really can't wait until the UK is free of the eu and we see the end of all these endless arguments.

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"The Queen should suspend Parliament and Boris should go for No Deal."

The Queen CANNOT SUSPEND PARLIAMENT!!!!!

Boris CANNOT SUSPEND PARLIAMENT!!!

PARLIAMENT IS SOVEREIGN.

Jeeezus; Brexiteers DON'T KNOW what Sovereignty of Parliament means.

"Jonathan Cooper, a barrister at Doughty Street Chambers, said unless Brexiters could find a way to challenge the act preventing no deal, the government had to comply.

“There is only one building block to the UK system of government and that’s the sovereignty of parliament. That means parliament trumps the prime minister. The EU is required to take account of the UK’s constitutional framework. In deciding whether to give an extension, the EU will be guided by an act of parliament and not the prime minister. If the prime minister chooses to undermine parliament, the courts will step in and if need be hold the prime minister in contempt.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/09/boris-johnson-sabotage-letter-to-eu-would-break-law

Only my Autie Matilda can suspend Parliament; and she said she's not going to.

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Correction:

Supersede is what I meant to write; not suspend.

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No she shouldn't;

Why not? Parliament's a joke at this point. Sort of like the U.S. Congress.

The people of the UK, unlike us in the US, apparently, value democracy. The idea of an unelected figurehead making arbitrary decision is anathema* to them.

*Look it up

no he shouldn't.

Yes, he should. Being a vassal of the globalist EU will be a disaster.

The UK will be a vassal of every other nation. They don't want our badly reared, disease -ridden chicken, and not should they. No deal, by the government's own predictions, will lead to shortages of medicine and food. I understand that you might want this outcome if you hate Brits, but I don't.

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The Queen must refuse to sign the surrender bill from these despicable remoaners and Britain leaves on a no deal Brexit on October 31st. 

The Queen must do her constitutional duty and assent to whatever Parliament gives her.

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He broke and twisted the role of the Speaker in order to stand in the way of democracy by using arcane parliamentary procedures when it suited him. Odious little toad he is.

This is entirely incorrect.

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Drama, drama, drama! a lot of real life political dramas these days from the USA, to UK, to HK, Venezuela, S. Korea-Japan spat etc.

Amusing for world citizen definitely! (but not so for those who are from the said countries!)

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I am disgusted by the remainer traitors in the UK parliament. With their surrender bill they put all the cards into hands of the EU oligarchy. Who in a sane mind would do that? Imagine you are in an abusive relationship, but then insist that you can not withdraw from it unless the abuser agrees to a "deal"? Mind-boggling!

I think a majority of UK voters can see that, which is way the remainer traitors are now so vehemently supposed to a snap election, which would remove this scum.

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I am disgusted by the remainer traitors in the UK parliament.

Yeah, but let's be realistic. You also support Trump.

So your opinion is hardly credible on this matter.

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WilliB

I am disgusted by the remainer traitors in the UK parliament. 

How are they traitors? A member of parliament is first selected by their party district. Then stands for elections and are voted in by their district voters. They then represent the interests of all the members of their district in parliament. They also hold once a week clinics in their districts so the people can inform the MP of their problems.

Not all districts voted to leave so I would expect them to represent their district. There are times when they must decide between their party whip and their district. If they fail to please their districts they could lose their next election. 21 tory rebels went against their party whip in districts would have voted to remain.

The referendum voter turn out was 100% about 72%, about 35 million out of about 46 million.

The politicians most likely to lose their seats are the ones who went against the wishes of their districts. An actual majority vote would have been about 23 million but with voter turn out about 17 million voted to leave with a simple majority of a little more than 1 million votes. Hardly, that you call the majority of UK voters.

The referendum should have had rules applied like two thirds majority and not a simple majority. Cameron never expected the result would be to leave and didn't make enough referendum safe guards.

Tow of the four countries, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain, so the country split was down the middle.

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correction

The referendum voter turn out was 100% about 72%, about 35 million out of about 46 million.

The referendum voter turn out was not 100% about 72%, about 35 million out of about 46 million.

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One word to describe Boris' political future - TOAST..

I am disgusted by the remainer traitors in the UK parliament.

?? Why does any politician, or voter, have to agree with your opinion? In fact the only 'traitor' is the one who has ignored previous commitments to Brexit with a deal, instead trying to force a Brexit with no deal whatsoever. Boris is the traitor to the electorate because they were offered Brexit with a deal. Boris thought he could do it the easy way and just Brexit without bothering to make some kind of exit deal for the nation. At least May tried her best to do that for the sake of the country.

Understand this - the reason why Boris is also on his way out is because he thought he could be lazy and just exit with no deal with anyone.

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Zichi:

How are they traitors?

They are scheming to prevent the will of the people, as simple as that. You had a referendum with a clear result, and they try every trick under the sun to prevent acting on it, including a total surrender to the EU cleptocracy, which is what their latest law is.

Did you watch Corbin admit that he is opposed to a snap election now because the result would be that the remainers lose?

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You had a referendum with a clear result

Was it binding?

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WilliB

you keep talking about the "will of the people" but its not as simple as that. A simple majority voted to leave and I believe the UK will leave but not on a no deal basis if a better exit deal can be obtained.

The opposition only oppose an election if a no deal exit is going to happen.

If Bozo really wants an election now, he can go to the queen and resign.

MP's who represent the views of the people who elected them are doing their job and are not traitors.

The result of the referendum wasn't so simple. How do you deal with the two countries voting to remain?

The referendum wasn't legally binding but Article 50 is and so is the final law passed by this parliament that Bozo s must at least ask for an extension but anything less than two years is unlikely to be granted.

Bozo could easily skirt around that final law.

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StrangerlandToday  06:28 pm JST

"You had a referendum with a clear result"

Was it binding?

You know you're not going to get a response. The extent of these people's knowledge of the topic is something like, "The Brits had a referendum to get out of the evil globalist EU. Parliament has to obey the "will of the people," never mind that the will of the people counts for nothing in our own presidential elections, and Donald Trump thinks Brexit will be great because he can sign a fantastic trade deal with England. Donald Trump also says this Boris guy is a good friend of his so he must be a righteous dude. Oh, and the Queen should have all the remainer MPs arrested, whatever they are."

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They are scheming to prevent the will of the people, as simple as that. You had a referendum with a clear result, and they try every trick under the sun to prevent acting on it, including a total surrender to the EU cleptocracy, which is what their latest law is.

Willi, the will of the people was to deliver a Brexit that was sold to the people with a deal. It was never sold to the people as damaging to the UK with a no deal. The 'clear' result you are referring to was 52/48 but that's bye the bye. Brexit was sold and won with economic benefits to the nation. Not on a no deal. Otherwise May could easily have Brexited by now.

Did you watch Corbin admit that he is opposed to a snap election now because the result would be that the remainers lose?

You'd have to be a complete fool to go to an election if the polls are informing you you will lose. In that respect you should give some credit to Corbyn for common sense.

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When they crash out and tariffs hit, and exports crash, and food shortages hit, I will get my popcorn. Just wonder how many years it will take for insight to happen. The pain will be immense, and only a fool would discount that fact!

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cleoSep. 9 11:39 am JSTJohnson: If you don't give me what i want I'l hold the UK's collective breath until we all turn blue in the face and choke.

EU: What exactly is it you want?

Johnson: Who knows? But I want it NOW! Do or die! in a ditch!

EU: (Gathers up the children and slowly backs away from the house-hared mad man)

Game, set and match PM Bozo.

And the UK out of the running for inclusion in any adult activities for the foreseeable future.

Bozo looks like he's losing it. He gets praised by the American Bozo Trump, so what does that tell ya? Your house of cards is falling, Bozo.

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All a dog and pony show. UK is sagging and is trying to gain attention in a new world order where China and India rule the economic front.

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The UK will achieve Brexit next month-no doubt of that...

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The UK will achieve Brexit next month-no doubt of that

kuri, my money is on Article 50 being withdrawn legally by a majority of cross-party politicians opposed to no deal, including many leading conservatives.

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“Boris Johnson's suspension of parliament ruled unlawful by high court”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-prorogue-suspend-unlawful-boris-johnson-latest-scottish-supreme-court-brexit-no-deal-a9100396.html

It gets better all the time

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PM Bozo only has two eyes which are now well and truly blackened.

“Parliament should be immediately reconvened,” said SNP MP Tommy Sheppard. “The prime minister should come back to face the music.”

Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain.

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@zichi,

Why, oh why Delilah,

Why are you destroying the JT crowd who still think that B J can defy Parliament, that the Queen can refuse to give Royal Assent to a Parliamentary Bill, that Bozo should just "leave anyway and see what happens", even though Parliament has told him what he MUST do?

Why are you being so cruel?

Shame on yer.

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The whole of Brexit is a shambles, the UK government is a shambles, this is hurting the British economy, for goodness sake get your self organised, stop fafing around.

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