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Tax sugar. Plus run ‘obesity owing to logging out in sugar is far from cool’ ads

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The question “do you want chips with that?” is to be .....banned.

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Ban meat. It is also most probably the source of SARS viruses, bird flu, mad cow, swine flu...

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Obese Brits predates the pandemic but the lockdown won't have helped. Drinking, alcohol sweet drinks, junk snack foods. I'm surprised how many young women are obese.

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This is a great idea. Interestingly I watched the Sopranos last night and was surprised to see Tony and the other characters from after living in Japan a while. They were all obese, constantly eating and drinking hard liquor and clearly he had labored breathing. The status quo needs to change and it will lead to a more fulfilling life. I put most of the blame on outsourcing our daily food and beverages to large corporations who do not have our health at interest.

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Drinking alcohol is also out of control in the UK. Having moved away 25 years ago I am 'ow shocked how much drinking and binge drinking goes on

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This is OK to a point, but people really do need to take responsibility for their own health, and parents need to do that for their kids to instill good habits before they reach adulthood.

And people need to stop looking to government to solve all their problems, obesity included. There's loads of valid advice online and in books about healthy eating - basically avoid processed foods and unnecessary supplements unless you have a condition that actually warrants them. That doesn't exclude the occasional splurge.

Is this too much to ask of individuals?

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In Japan, they say eat until you are four-fifths full.

Don’t eat anything with more than five ingredients, or ingredients you can't pronounce.

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@SimianLane. There is already a sugar tax in the U.K., it’s why chocolate bars and cakes have shrunk in size. Prices are the same though.

I think any strategy to reduce obesity should be applauded, but unless Governments recognise and tackle the social and economic causes of obesity there will be little change. Obesity is the result of many complex and variable issues, like most health care problems, the ‘eat less and move more‘ mantra is not enough without addressing WHY so many people are obese. Many of these so called new strategies announced by Johnson are not new, GPs in high obesity areas have been able to prescribe free exercise classes for patients, individual support and counselling programmes have been around for a while (my brother was on one a couple of years back) and the NHS 12 week programme for those who do not need extra help and support has been available on the NHS website for a couple of years.

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All lies in learning how to eat.

It is not luck if one moves more (=spend calories) one can eat more.

It is also not a discovery that if you eat always the same (=limited varied diet), you get sooner or later health issues.

Eat fruits and vegetables from the season, drink soda only after sports or efforts, don't eat snacks.

I eat sometimes junk food, not a problem if quantity is reasonable.

Lived in USA and part of my family is English, know more than well the effects. Doesn't prevent some French to get fat because butter, jam, fresh bread, etc. are too good for some.

Brits food is way too limited. Always the same. Bad eaters will get their taxed menus after 9PM not a problem.

All comes from education and shame to fat eaters. You eat to live, not live to eat.

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I remember a few years back, it was all the rage for some women in the UK to wear tight fitting clothes which exposed the midriff (like a two-piece). My god, some of them looked pregnant.

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Countries with meat consumption of more than 45kg of meat per person each year are 12 percent more likely to struggle with obesity than locations with lower meat intake, according to a new report.

The data, published by medical research specialist Antibodies.com, shows that the 14 countries with the highest meat consumption also have a higher average BMI (26.28) and a higher level of obesity (21 percent). 

Downvote if you still think the earth is flat.

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You eat to live, not live to eat.

I do both thank you.

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Eat food.

Mostly plants.

Not too much.

Not rocket science...

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Goodlucktoyou

The data, published by medical research specialist Antibodies.com, shows that the 14 countries with the highest meat consumption also have a higher average BMI (26.28) and a higher level of obesity (21 percent). 

Would that include the Eskimos, who traditionally did not not eat ANY plants?

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And people need to stop looking to government to solve all their problems, obesity included. There's loads of valid advice online and in books about healthy eating - basically avoid processed foods and unnecessary supplements unless you have a condition that actually warrants them. That doesn't exclude the occasional splurge.

You posted the other day that the government doesn’t want people to look after their own health and then today you say people shouldn’t look to the government when they campaign for us to look after our own health. A bit confusing.

Can we also stop the nonsense from people who tell us that it’s okay to be overweight and even celebrate it? I remember a piece in the Guardian which told us that the expression ‘muffin tops’ for women ( rolls of fat hanging over the top of low cut jeans ) was an expression of misogyny. It didn’t mention what the expressions ‘love handles’, ‘beer bellies’ or ‘spare tyres’ for men expressed.

Muffin tops, beer bellies, love handles, spare tyres, triple chins, pie arses. etc. are not good. You don’t have to have a physique like a light middleweight fighter, but stop stuffing your faces with crap. It puts strain on our health services.

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Obesity is the natural disease of rich nations where people enjoy a carefree, casual life with abundance of good 'junk' food. It is the obvious ultimate consequence of "live to eat". Nothing wrong, of course, just that it shortens life.

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Obesity is a real problem for sure. But I doubt Obesity has killed more people than COVID19 has this year. First things first.

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Obesity is a complex topic. Massive socio-economic shifts have affected the way families and individuals eat, how much they eat, and what they eat. The rise of working women has meant less home-ccoked meals for kids, the explosion of junk food, portion sizes and sugar, etc. has increased calories and many jobs today are not labor-intensive, indeed they are rather sedentary. There is NO simple fix to this, folks. And don't just blame it on Westerners having weak will power, because obesity rates are rising in Asia too.

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Snacking between meals is another problem.

but stop stuffing your faces with crap. It puts strain on our health services.

But it's no longer "our health service" when you have lived outside of the country for more than 6 months.

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The average UK woman now weighs 70.2 kg. 70 to 73kg is middleweight, so think Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray, de la Hoya, .... Heavier than Mayweather and Pacquiao. Easily heavy enough to be bad@ss.

Too much snacking, drinking, meat eating, and deskwork probably.

The Tory government has a cheek with this campaign after forcing schools to sell off playing fields to developers and to serve up junk school meals to save tiny amounts of money. They also forced local governments to close sports centers in the name of austerity. The British government is currently printing money at Japan levels after years of claiming such a thing could not be done.

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Obesity is the natural disease of rich nations where people enjoy a carefree, casual life with abundance of good 'junk' food

Not necessarily. Mexico isn’t regarded as a rich country but they have a terrible problem with obesity. Japan is regarded as rich but don’t have the same issue for the most part. Even in rich countries, obesity is often more of a problem for the poor.

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The US strategy is to normalize obesity and never dare to offend anyone for their freedom and choices. That is why you can see 300 pound women in bikinis, and men carrying with pride guts the size of a crane wrecking ball.

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Many Indian women are obese because they believe its a sign of wealth.

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Well, good for Boris Johnson.

Here is a question. How much does eating out contribute to obesity?

Sequestering, I dropped around three kilos, putting my weight back to where I was in my late 20's. My doctor at the university hospital recently told me my cholesterol and blood sugar levels were the lowest he'd seen in my record. Outside of walking for around 20-30 minutes I do little in the way of exercise. I figured out that not hanging out at coffeeshops, eating fast food and drinking much less was responsible for my weight loss.

I thought I might put on weight when I began to sequester. The opposite happened.

Food in the UK is not as bad as its notoriety. But to eat well costs. Also the UK, as the articles notes, is addicted to sweets. George Orwell said something about this, noting English people's bad teeth. And this was before the mass production of sweets as we know it today.

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OssanAmerica

Obesity is a real problem for sure. But I doubt Obesity has killed more people than COVID19 has this year. First things first.

Obesity plus Covid kills. Covid alone, not so much. So, not an either-or proposition.

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kohakuebisu

Too much snacking, drinking, meat eating, and deskwork probably.

Meat does not belong in that list, unless you are talking about overprocessed meat-based gunk. Meat in itself does not contribute to obesity; you will find it hard to overdose yourself with meat unlike people do it with sugar.

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Avoid sugar. Sugar exhibits profound, long-range toxicity toward the human body and its organs. Sugar gradually and irreversibly damages the metabolic system and internal organs while bloating the body into unwholesome, grotesque shapes.

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Can we also stop the nonsense from people who tell us that it’s okay to be overweight and even celebrate it?

While poor body image is a mental health problem, I think the main thing driving modern morality is whether money can be made off something. So if someone is making money making plus-sized clothes or bigger cars or mattresses that do not sag when your partner is 14 stone, that is great. If someone is making money off building houses on school playing fields, that's good too. The same with supersized chocolate bars and mega milkshakes with 800 calories at Starbucks. To counter this, you can pay gym fees and a personal trainer. The cycling industry will happily take thousands off you for a bike made to questionable tolerances in a Chinese factory.

In Japan, if you are fat and female, you become a TV comedian and do self-depreciating routines. If they ever think of branching out, I wouldn't be surprised if their agencies bully them into not losing weight.

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In Japan, they say eat until you are four-fifths full.

Don’t eat anything with more than five ingredients, or ingredients you can't pronounce.

Yet a bowls of ramen can feed an elephant, and soy sauce, sugar, salt, saké and mirin are the basic ingredients in so many of the recipes I stumble upon.

Don’t believe all the wisdom given to you

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First of all, you have to give up on today's adults. They are too far gone, and too far invested in their unhealthy lifestyles. All this nanny state stuff will just make them laugh and make a game of "how many calories can I eat before I puke".

Second, get kids when they are young. Mandatory PE classes in school (daily if possible). Mandatory nutrition/cooking classes from JHS onwards. No tax on sporting goods and equipment. A good start IMHO.

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Fat chance!

Sorry, I just couldn’t resist.

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“Did you eat something that didn't agree with you?" asked Bernard. The Savage nodded. "I ate civilization.” 

Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

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Palpably Fat Boris will sort it.

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You posted the other day that the government doesn’t want people to look after their own health and then today you say people shouldn’t look to the government when they campaign for us to look after our own health. A bit confusing.

Not really. They seem more interested in taxing and banning things than giving constructive advice and then letting people make up their own minds.

Ditching his earlier stance as a non-believer of "nannying" politics, his government is announcing a new drive to help people to "take control of their own future by losing weight, getting active and adopting a healthier lifestyle".

Not sure if Boris actually said anything quotable about ditching his stance as a non-believer in nannying politics or if this "journalist" just imagined it. But if that's his new direction, he may as well join Labour. Nanny states rot the mind and insult the intelligence of people who like to think at a level above kindergarten kids.

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Sugar, meat, advertising, lack of exercise, calories, hormones. Everyone is blaming everything but the actual causes and the mega corporations who profit off your ignorance paid for it to be that way. The rise in obesity is directly tied to the use of high fructose corn syrup. It took scientists time to learn how to produce it in quantity as a separate commercial item and it did not come into commercial production until 1964. Of course it took more time for it to replace other sweeteners but it did because its so much cheaper for both industrial and political reasons. When people talk about "processed food" this is often what they mean because they contain so very much of this food filler junk. And you can trace the rise of obesity from the 1970s to today very clearly.

One reason why high fructose corn syrup is so ubiquitous is because it keeps food prices low. Imagine the turmoil if people paid real prices for REAL food. If you cannot imagine it, you probably don't understand what REAL food is or its REAL cost. Most Americans certainly do not. You would have difficulty convincing them to eat a healthy full course French dinner even if you paid for it. That's how far gone they are.

If you want some more info on this, look up Hasan Minhaj's "How America Is Causing Global Obesity". Funny and informative with a language warning. He names corporations I dare not.

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Tax sugar.

Why should everyone pay more for a product that is perfectly safe in moderation? If you tax sugar, they will just move on to overeating something else. Why not levy a healthcare tax directly on obese people?

Practically, you could structure it as a tax on everyone, but with thinner people receiving a rebate after having a doctor certify their BMI.

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Covid alone, not so much.

Covid kills all types of people, regardless of what their weight is.

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Covid kills all types of people, regardless of what their weight is.

Obesity is a factor in deaths from Covid as well as heart problems, strokes, diabetes etc.

It is incredibly irresponsible to tell people being obese is okay. Doctors won’t tell you this.

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 shows that the 14 countries with the highest meat consumption also have a higher average BMI (26.28) and a higher level of obesity (21 percent)

@Goodlucktoyou

The problem with a statistic like that is that it doesn't tell us whether those same countries also have a higher than average consumption of potatoes or chocolate or apple pies. Do you have a link to the research? I could only find quotes in other online sites?

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Covid kills all types of people, regardless of what their weight is.

Obesity raises your risk of death from Covid by 90%. For younger people it is the leading risk factor for Covid death according to studies published in the Lancet.

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Don’t eat anything with ... ingredients you can't pronounce.

Yay. No more quinoa.

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ossanamerika:

Obesity is a real problem for sure. But I doubt Obesity has killed more people than COVID19 has this year. First things first.

Does everything have to be pointed out to you? Obesity puts you in the high risk group should you be infected with the virus. Some people above have already pointed this out. You can't change your age, ethnicity or get rid of underlying health conditions like having a history of cancer. But you can lose weight. Just because your country and president refuse to go on a diet doesn't mean others can't. Nobody is looking at your country as a role model anymore.

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It is incredibly irresponsible to tell people being obese is okay. Doctors won’t tell you this.

Where did I say its OK? Obviously its a worry, but any interference from the govt in the UK will backfire, with accusations of the nanny state at work. And not just the govt, look at the reaction when Jamie Oliver tried to improve school meals and get rid of those awful twizzlers... parents passing fish and chips through the school gates to their addicted kids.

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the government will also launch a consultation on displaying calories on alcohol

Even a few alcoholic drinks cause irreversible damage to certain brain cells by a dehydration that causes a sludging together of red blood cells. Such sludging clogs the blood capillaries; thus, the amount of oxygen reaching those brain cells via the minutest capillaries diminishes. Some of those oxygen-starved brain cells die each time that dehydration or sludging occurs. Damaged or destroyed brain cells do not regenerate. Any single occurrence of alcohol brain-cell damage is not measurable. But the effect is cumulative, gradually yielding measurable, permanently damaging effects.

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I also think a factor which plays into this is more people are time-poor than before. Ironic, I know, now that people are in lockdown and have more time on their hands. However, over the last few decades, people have lost the time which used to be spent preparing family meals. The wife/mother used to control what foods the family consumed. Now that women have become part of the workforce, the time, skills and knowledge which used to be passed down have been lost in many families.

Unfortunately, food companies have made things worse by producing ready meals which just need heating. They are packed with chemicals and are made to be addictive so that the get repeat custom.

There needs to be a fundamental change.

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Food is a precious gift from nature. Sharing food with the hungry can add life to our lifespan. There are millions of people going to bed on empty stomachs in different parts of the world. May all be blessed with sufficient food, and good health of mind and body.

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Designer 02:

Drinking alcohol is also out of control in the UK. Having moved away 25 years ago I am 'ow shocked how much drinking and binge drinking goes on

You might want to watch the "Sugar, the bitter truth" lecture by Robert Lustig. He acknowledges that alcohol is as unhealthy as sugar, but sugar is much worse, because you can get plastered only once in a day, while you can gobble sugar all day long. Hence the enormous problems with obesity, hypertension, diabetes etc etc in e.g. the middle east where alcohol is haram but sugar is everywhere.

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Jimizo

Obesity is a factor in deaths from Covid as well as heart problems, strokes, diabetes etc.

And heart problems, strokes, diabetes etc. are all correlated to obesity.

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74% of UK Covid-19 deaths up to the end of June were obese. Thats a hell of a coincidence....

Taxing “so called fattening foods” is just stupid. Healthy people will be essentially fined by having to pay extra. If you want to have a financial penalty for the fatties just fine them on a yearly basis.

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74% of UK Covid-19 deaths up to the end of June were obese.

That's it! Clearly we have to do something about this virus that is so socially backward and cruel toward the "full figured" folks who deserve to be treated the same as everybody else! Stop the "fat" shaming Covid 19! This is why you don't have any friends!

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Fat is not beautiful (I like some flesh to catch my female partner in due time though but doesn't mean I should not see the whole body shape).

Once I said congrats to a woman whose belly only was so large I could not believe when she told me she was not pregnant. Of course she was among the few English women in a French party...

The ones who are close to obese in my family are the ones that eat much more than the others. No surprise. And I can eat a lot sometimes but only when truly hungry.

Sorry if I shock but it is an hyperbole : no concentration camp prisoner has ever left obese.

By the way, I believe you should learn to become hungry because then you can distinguish between having hungry (which is just the stomack cycle to tell you it is time to eat) and having truly hungry (which is when your body starts to weaken a little).

By the way, you appreciate food & thousand times more when truly hungry. So it is a delight to not eat too much.

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Exercise is such a key part of staying slimmer.

Banning ads will not be enough, I think.

I’m thinking that employers should be mandated to have their employees do some form of physical activity once or twice a week, if they are not doing work of a physical nature... something like this.

Having employees fitter is going to bear fruits for the employers, is my hypothesis.

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And people need to stop looking to government to solve all their problems, obesity included.

Yes! They gave us the food pyramid, which has killed countless people over the years. And now they'll want to give us a vaccine....

Countries with meat consumption of more than 45kg of meat per person each year are 12 percent more likely to struggle with obesity than locations with lower meat intake, according to a new report.

Yeah cheeseburgers and hotdogs will do that. Its more a question of what you eat with the meat. People following a carnivore diet seem to be doing very well.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5apkKkeZQXRSDbqSalG8CQ

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Alcohol is a neurotoxin that can disrupt communications of the brain. It also affects functions of brain cells directly and indirectly through different organ dysfunction from alcohol usage and vitamin deficiency. Depending on the area of the brain affected, people can have different symptoms. Abusing alcohol can lead to seizure, stroke and dementia, to name a few conditions. Additionally, alcohol is toxic to a developing brain during pregnancy and can cause birth defects, including developmental disorders with lifelong impact.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/does-drinking-alcohol-kill-brain-cells

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Mandatory PE classes in school (daily if possible)

School isn’t enough, I think.

Rather, it’s the obese adults that something needs to be done about. I am presuming most obese adults became obese or overweight after becoming adults - sure there will be exceptions.

Hence I wonder about ideas such as having employers have their employees do a couple of hours exercise a week. Of course employers would prefer their employees to make time in their own hours to stay fit, but that doesn’t seem to be working well in the fat countries.

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fxgai

Hence I wonder about ideas such as having employers have their employees do a couple of hours exercise a week. 

If they stuff themselves with sugary overprocessed junk food, a few hours of exercise won-t save them.

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The nation is not holding its breath for premier Fatboy Slim Boris to show leadership for a change and set an example. He's done as a leader and you can stick a fork in this arch-purveyor of porkies..

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In Japan, they say eat until you are four-fifths full.

That is not what they say in Osaka!

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Sounds like Boris' girlfriend is needling him about his weight, lol.

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Good to see people lighten up for a change.

I think I'll stop reading here for tonight =)

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I support any country in trying to improve the physical (and therefore mental) health of their people.

One thing many people who have never been in top shape before don't realize, is that you feel emotionally better when you are physically healthy. If you feel powerful in your body, your mind naturally follows.

And when you are healthy in your body (and mind), you have a stronger immune system. Which in this time of Covid, should be something EVERYONE is more conscious of.

Good luck to the UK.

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Don't the UK government have better things to do?

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Stop eating meat. Pretty simple

Nutritionfacts.org

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Good to see all the experts commenting.

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I'm going on a diet. Anyone else?

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Diets are stupid. Just keep healthy eating habits.

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If they stuff themselves with sugary overprocessed junk food, a few hours of exercise won-t save them

In extreme cases that’s true, but in many cases I think we’d see people seeing some benefits from their regular exercise and this has knock on positive effects and how people think about what crap they shovel into their bodies.

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It all boils down to 3 major collaborates

1- Sugar

2- Trans fats

3- Lack of Exercise

Sugar will kill you in a sweet fashion, it's that simple.

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I can't help thinking of the movie "Wall-E" and the corpulent passengers of the starship Axion.

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Stop eating meat. Pretty simple

Some people cannot convert carotenes from plant sources into retinol and literally need to get retinol directly from meat to stay healthy. Retinol is basically vitamin A.

And meat is not and never was a cause of obesity. I am not sure if a vitamin A deficiency will generally stimulate obesity or sudden weight loss but I am going to have recommend against it for various reasons especially for pregnant women. Its just not healthy to give up meat if that is your only way to get vitamin A.

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Many are trying to vilify meat consumption or the ketogenic diet.

For those who are interested, here is a good recent presentation going over the literature. He does a good job at crushing the myths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQYyOvCAM_E

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@sf2k

Stop eating meat. Pretty simple

Mother Nature gave me teeth to eat plants as well as yet to eat meat. Plain and simple.

Go to Mongolia or northern Canada and see if you can follow your diet

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Excellent timing. Due to the lockdown, people have less money, and can't afford to eat as much as they usually would.

There are more food banks than ever, trying to keep people from going without.

I'm sure the govt. is making sure food banks are supplied with healthy, nutritious, and tasty food.

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Designer 02July 27  10:35 am JST

Drinking alcohol is also out of control in the UK. Having moved away 25 years ago I am 'ow shocked how much drinking and binge drinking goes on

Have you been living in Japan? Binge drinking is huge here!

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Some people cannot convert carotenes from plant sources into retinol and literally need to get retinol directly from meat to stay healthy.

'Not from plant sources' doesn't necessarily mean 'meat' as in bits of dead animal flesh.

In a list of the top 20 foods high in retinol, exactly half are dairy-based, or eggs.

Granted, levels are highest in the top 4, which are all offal or offal-based; but who needs over 700% of the recommended daily value?

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-high-in-vitamin-a#section1

The same site also points out that *about 45% of people carry a genetic mutation that significantly reduces their ability to convert provitamin A into vitamin A and that for these people vegetables might provide less vitamin A than indicated; that's less, not a total inability to convert carotenes from plant sources.*

Invalid CSRF

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Would that include the Eskimos, who traditionally did not not eat ANY plants?

“Eskimo” is a derogatory term for Inuit.

if you research this century you will discover they eat a diverse range of food now. Just like most English don’t eat rabbits.

3D printed food is on the way. kFC is seriously working on this.

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In Japan, they say eat until you are four-fifths full.

That's not what Gyaru Sone says!

More like four-fifth of your weight!

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'Not from plant sources' doesn't necessarily mean 'meat' as in bits of dead animal flesh. In a list of the top 20 foods high in retinol, exactly half are dairy-based, or eggs.

And they are ALL in the bottom half producing 13 percent of the daily recommended intake per serving OR LESS. And the 13 percent one is goat cheese. I don't even know where in the hell I would obtain it. So lets focus on eggs which is 11 percent. What's an "egg" serving? One egg? More? So I eat 9 eggs or more every day? Yeah. I am not even one of the people that say eggs are so very bad for you but 9 a day? Or an equivalent of cheese? And that's all they eat cause that's all they can fit in?

So after 5 years their hearts explode but hey, no animals died in the filming of this disaster right?

Invalid CSRF indeed.

that's less, not a total inability to convert carotenes from plant sources.*

Depends on the person how severe that inability is and nobody knows their percentage. Am I going to recommend people toy with their health to figure it out? Heck no.

That said my sympathy for animals is great. So great that I can say I abhor the practices that produce that very cheese you recommend. And I also support vegetarians and vegans who can and do take that step. But the easiest answer is pescatarianism. Sorry fish.

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Don’t eat anything with more than five ingredients, or ingredients you can't pronounce.

Another related and excellent rule to live by "If my great grandmother saw it, would she consider it food?"

As for this news, I cant wait for Jonathan Pie's take on it.

Eat food.

Mostly plants.

Not too much.

Eat food, mostly real meat, fish and plants. Cut the processed meat, sugar and wheat.

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Goodlucktyou

“Eskimo” is a derogatory term for Inuit.

if you research this century you will discover they eat a diverse range of food now. Just like most English don’t eat rabbits.

And "now", their health has deteriorated. What about their traditional diet? All animal based (no plants up there), and they were healthy. So what was that about "ban all meat"?

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Carcharodon:

Eat food, mostly real meat, fish and plants. Cut the processed meat, sugar and wheat.

That is what "eat food" refers to.

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What's an "egg" serving? One egg? More?

It says clearly in the list, one egg. So if you’re eating absolutely nothing else, then yes I suppose you need to egg-binge. Personally I prefer to get my nutrition from a well-balanced diet

So I eat 9 eggs or more every day? 

If you insist on eating nothing else... again, I recommend a more balanced diet that gives you a range of vitamins, minerals and fibre. Tastier and healthier.

But the easiest answer is pescatarianism. Sorry fish.

Sorry no, we have fish in the family - four tanks spread around the house. No way they’re going to end up on the table.

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How about using science and proven results instead of hearsay?

https://nutritionfacts.org/

He debunks fad diets, references peer-reviewed studies, points out flaws with studies that aren't double blind, but only encouraging.

Everything he does is free. Articles, videos, speaking, books.

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No testimonials. No before and after pictures. Evidence-based nutrition information.

BTW, to lose weight, 80+% is diet and 20-% is exercise. If we don't get eating better, no amount of exercise will cause weight loss in some people.

To the people who think all calories are the same, that is proven to work in a lab, but not in humans. 240 cal in a soda vs 240 cal of carrots. The soda can be gone in 30 seconds. Carrots would take hours of chewing.

Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg

Nothing being sold, no ads, no corporate sponsors. Just Evidence-based, peer-reviewed nutrition information.

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Everything he does is free. Articles, videos, speaking, books.

Sorry. that isn't correct. He donates speaking and book profits to charities. The articles and videos ARE free.

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BTW, to lose weight, 80+% is diet and 20-% is exercise. If we don't get eating better, no amount of exercise will cause weight loss in some people.

This is truth. I’ve been focused on health and fitness my entire adult life. I’m a huge proponent of exercise, but the idea of exercising your way to a summer body has always made me shake my head.

Food is the most important thing to mental and physical health. It’s the building blocks of our body. We are made of the food we eat. If you eat combini food every day - your body will build itself from the combini. If you eat Unprocessed foods made up of veggies, fruits, meats, nuts etc, your body will use these to build itself.

When you eat well, you look and feel well. And everything becomes easier from there.

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I found changing my lifestyle a struggle. This pandemic has focus my efforts. Combini are a temptation. I take false comfort in riding my bike to Lawson.

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strangerland

Food is the most important thing to mental and physical health. It’s the building blocks of our body. We are made of the food we eat. If you eat combini food every day - your body will build itself from the combini. If you eat Unprocessed foods made up of veggies, fruits, meats, nuts etc, your body will use these to build itself.

Totally agree. I came late to eating healthy (used to think that because I did sports, it did not matter what I shoved in my mouth), and now at old age I am healthier than 20 years ago. High blood pressure, knee pain, floaters in the eyes, fatigue..... all gone, just from eliminating sugar and replacing junk food and industrial gunk with real food. Go figure.

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If you insist on eating nothing else... again

You just are not doing the math. Replace eggs with what? Whatever it is its going to be its going to be less rich in vitamin A than eggs, unless its goat cheese, so eating a whole lot more of it. The rest of your list is filled with other kinds of cheese, butter and of all things, caviar. So how much butter and cheese will such people need to eat? Is that going to be better for their health?

And I also need to point out its REAL cheese we are talking about here and not the fake cheese that people have come to believe is real cheese via the lie of a name "processed cheese". Caviar is of course out of the question, but real cheese in that quantity is going to cost an awful lot of money and probably do more damage than the eggs.

Even if I went with the assumption that a person could get half the vitamin A they need from carotene and went with sweet potatoes, they would have to eat one serving per day. Anything else and its double or more. This is just completely and hopelessly unreasonable and nobody is going to be convinced to go that route either.

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Go figure.

Not really. Vested interests have been filling our heads with lies for decades. A healthy diet is vital for maintaining one's health, proper weight and longevity. Exercise is also important but comes second. Look how fast American football players deteriorate when they stop exercising. They trained and ran themselves ragged, many were too fatty even then, and who works a real job can exercise that much? Then they stop, have no clue and no proper eating habits, then they balloon and have heart attacks real fast. All that exercise only paid off in the short term and did not really help them much at all later.

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You just are not doing the math. Replace eggs with what? Whatever it is its going to be its going to be less rich in vitamin A than eggs, unless its goat cheese, so eating a whole lot more of it.

I'm afraid you're the one not doing the maths. You don't 'replace eggs', you eat a well-balanced diet containing a variety of foods.

I couldn't be bothered adding up the numbers, so I tried inputting a typical (for me) daily intake into an online calorie-counting app. (It counts all the other nutritional bits too); cereal and yoghurt for breakfast with a bit of fruit and a cuppa; a slice of bread, an egg with cheese and a salad (with a variety of veggies, not just a lettuce leaf and a bit of cucumber) with dressing for lunch, another cuppa; butternut squash galette with a side of veggies and a glass of wine for dinner, fruit for dessert and some sweet potato as a snack.

Considering that I input stuff I normally eat off the top of my head, I was surprised to find that it not only covered all the recommended daily amounts with the exception of sodium and cholesterol, I had way, way more Vitamin A than your 100 grams of beef liver.

And I also need to point out its REAL cheese we are talking about here and not the fake cheese that people have come to believe is real cheese via the lie of a name "processed cheese".

Oh dear. If you have processed 'cheese' in your life I'm not surprised you're challenged with regard to nutrition. Real cheese - proper cheddar, edam, lancashire, wensleydale, caerphilly, is certainly expensive here in Japan, even if you can find it, but if you're not wasting your money on bits of dead carcase, there should be enough fiscal margin to fit a bit of camembert or brie in your shopping basket. Failing that, the bags of 'cooking cheese', while not for eating raw, do a good job in dishes like gratin and quiche.

Big blocks of Parmesan and pecorino can be got very reasonably at Costco, by the way. Pity they don't stock proper British cheeses.

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Considering that I input stuff I normally eat off the top of my head, I was surprised to find that it not only covered all the recommended daily amounts with the exception of sodium and cholesterol, I had way, way more Vitamin A than your 100 grams of beef liver.

This is NOT about YOU. You can probably convert carotene to retinol just fine. Those who cannot are NOT going to do well on YOUR plant heavy diet. Will you please just accept that?

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This is NOT about YOU.

No, it's not about me. I used a generic online nutrition calculator.

You can probably convert carotene to retinol just fine. Those who cannot are NOT going to do well on YOUR plant heavy diet.

Some people are less able to convert, not unable. If you manage no more than a fifth of the normal conversion rate, you would still be getting more than enough Vitamin A.

And you would be doing a lot better than with your beef liver, cupfuls of cod liver oil, and fake cheese.

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Its sad listening to people who think "they know" and dish out advice for "the new way" despite the fact new evidence comes up all the time explaining why thousands of years of human behavior is what it is. Until a few years ago, nobody knew that some people were partially or mostly unable to convert carotenes to retinol. Now we know. But no one knows who or how much with a genetic test identifying certain alleles. And despite the fact that that is causing vitamin A deficiencies, we get to hear the "new wayers" just poo poo that information because it does not sit too well with their "old dogma" about the "new way". As someone who gave up red meat and had various health changes both good and bad for it, I REFUSE to listen to someone who will just brush past all this.

Nutritional science is VERY complicated and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Even our best don't know the half of it. But just wait until the research comes in concerning all that excess beta-carotene in some people's bodies that they failed to convert. Surely its harmless right? Cause dogma tells us it must be so!

https://www.healwithfood.org/vitamin-retinol/genetic-deficiency.php

And you would be doing a lot better than with your beef liver, cupfuls of cod liver oil, and fake cheese.

I consume none of these except for the fake cheese that gets snuck into my foods. If possible I remove it. But it was YOUR link that listed the others, NOT mine.

Also, drop the fake cheese snipes. I never said I ate it. I merely pointed out that most people don't even know the difference anymore. NOT "me". Most people. Plus they will be unwilling to pay for so much real cheese. Plus plus, so much real cheese is not good for you but its fine in moderation.

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Until a few years ago, nobody knew that some people were partially or mostly unable to convert carotenes to retinol.

And it seems most of the web still doesn't know. I Googled 'Vitamin A deficiency' and it came up with;

Vitamin A deficiency can result from inadequate intake, fat malabsorption, or liver disorders.

https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/nutritional-disorders/vitamin-deficiency-dependency-and-toxicity/vitamin-a-deficiency

While deficiency is rare in developed countries, many people in developing countries do not get enough vitamin A. Those at highest risk of deficiency are pregnant women, breastfeeding mothers, infants and children. Cystic fibrosis and chronic diarrhea may also increase your risk of deficiency.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-a-deficiency-symptoms

Vitamin A deficiency is prevalent in Africa and Southeast Asia, where it is estimated that 250 million preschoolers suffer from this deficiency due to lack of carotenoids in their diet.

Vitamin A deficiency can also occur in adults with diseases of the gastrointestinal system that interfere with absorption of vitamin A. These include:

Celiac disease

Cirrhosis of the liver

Pancreatic insufficiency

Bile duct disorder

Giardiasis

Duodenal bypass

https://dermnetnz.org/topics/vitamin-a-deficiency/

Diet and medical conditions, no mention anywhere of any genetic inability to convert. If you have a disorder that prevents you getting a sufficient intake of Vitamin A (or any other nutrient) then surely you need medical treatment to fix that disorder, rather than just refusing to eat your veggies.

drop the fake cheese snipes. I never said I ate it. I merely pointed out that most people don't even know the difference anymore. NOT "me". Most people

I can assure you, people who are at all interested in what they eat most certainly do know the difference between real cheese and processed.

Plus they will be unwilling to pay for so much real cheese.*

Well obviously lots of people are willing to pay, cos the people who make the cheese keep on making it, and people who eat it keep on buying it. And we don't buy the plastic stuff, or let folk sneak it into what we eat.

Plus plus, so much real cheese is not good for you but its fine in moderation.*

Everything in moderation.

https://www.healwithfood.org/vitamin-retinol/genetic-deficiency.php

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