Britain worse off under any Brexit scenario: report

I think "Britain ECONOMICALLY worse off...." would have been a more accurate headline.  There appear to be a number of other reasons why folks voted for Brexit apart from the economy and those folks may well feel that they are better off once those other societal effects kick in.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the pro-Brexit European Research Group of MPs from May's governing Conservative Party, said the findings were "highly speculative".

To say the least. The London elite will so every bit of scaremonging they can, but the public have spoken. Brits want their country, culture and security back.

No surprises there. I suspect if the EU can sort its governance issues out, the UK will be back hat in hand in a decade or so

Not what I'm hearing, zichi. And your overconfident, even pompous claim that remain would win by a large margin is exactly what happened in the last referendum.

The inevitable terrorist attacks between now and any possible 2nd vote will only further seal the deal.

How can you say yes or no to anything without knowing exactly what you are getting?

That question sums up this whole debacle.

What a damn mess. This was all Camorons doing. He should be hiding under a rock somewhere, never to be seen or heard of again.

Brits want their country, culture and security back.

I don't think they are going to get it Clamenza. One issue that rarely gets mentioned is that Brexit Britain is sitting on a migrant/refugee timebomb that will go off once they fully exit the EU. The EU Dublin regulations protect Britain by allowing it to deport refugees back to the first EU country they entered. They also have access to the various fingerprint databases which get shared around the EU to verify this information. Once this no longer applies, the entire system which now disincentivises migrants from even attempting to reach the UK will crumble.

Currently, migrants must get into the UK undetected and continue to avoid the authorities because they can be immediately deported if caught. Thanks to EU rules, there is no obligation for the UK to even consider their asylum applications if their fingerprints or documents have been registered in another EU country. This is why we don't see any migrants attempting to cross the channel in obvious methods like rubber dinghies. They currently have no incentive to do so. They instead camp out in places like Calais trying to sneak in on lorries. But once EU regulations no longer apply, the situation will default back to international refugee law. This means that if I'm a refugee, once my rubber dinghy crosses the halfway point in the channel I can blatantly call the UK coast guard to come pick me up and tell them I'm here to seek asylum. They cannot refuse me or send me back to France, Italy, Greece, or wherever. Without the databases they have no way of verifying whether I'm truly a fresh refugee as I claim, or whether I've been living in Germany or Sweden for the past 4 years. No amount of border enforcement will help here, and just wait until the NGO rescue boats start operating in the channel.

Britain worse off under any Brexit scenario: report

No. Not necessarily. There is another route which is even a BETTER deal than the EU: Canzuk.

canzukinternational.com/

This is a proposed union between the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. This would be waaaaayyy better for the UK than the EU.

However, having said that, let me say this:

IF Brexit means CANZUK will come into being, then Brexit will be the best thing that EVER happened to the UK.

But if it DOESN'T happen, then Brexit will be the single biggest disaster for the UK.

Britain no doubt will be worse off under any Brexit scenario- Bar CANZUK

Very good post M3. If Belgian, Dutch and French immig officers in particular start looking the other way post brexit Britain could well be under enormous pressure.

What was a popular decision has now been virtually destroyed by May and her party's dithering, and the constant in-fighting between politicians of her government. The general public have seen zero progress in 18 months, the project fear movement has grown, EU mouthpieces like Junker, Merkel and Tusk continue to interfere, whilst traitorous politicians like Blair and Mandelson try to ensure that they can continue on the EU gravy train. A total screw-up!

@Zichi

Actually it's not my claim. There have been continuous polls and discussions going on

Indeed, and the polls are ALWAYS right about this kind of thing, right?. Do you realize the profound irony of your argument?

a proposed union between the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. This would be waaaaayyy better for the UK than the EU.

But would it be way better for Canada, Australia and New Zealand? Why wouldn't they prefer to forge trade relationships with the EU, the USA, or other Pacific countries? Is this not just some English speakers' dream of not having to learn foreign languages or eat strange food?

But would it be way better for Canada, Australia and New Zealand? Why wouldn't they prefer to forge trade relationships with the EU, the USA, or other Pacific countries? Is this not just some English speakers' dream of not having to learn foreign languages or eat strange food?

Not at all. Take a look at the link that I provided above. As a matter of fact there is more interest in the other three countries than in the UK for Canzuk. Canada Australia rank in the 70s, New Zealand in the 80s and finally the UK in the 60s

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the chairman of the pro-Brexit European Research Group of MPs from May's governing Conservative Party, said the findings were "highly speculative".

Well, he would. The man is like something out of an 19th century novel, out of touch with just about everything.

That said; I don't think another referendum is on the cards. Rightly or wrongly, the electorate has voted for Brexit.

But the country is not taking their culture, country or security back. All these things are already in place. Terror attacks will continue, as they have, not just for decades, but centuries. Discontent spills into violence, unfortunately. The British know how to cope with it. Far better than others.

What a damn mess. This was all Camorons doing. He should be hiding under a rock somewhere, never to be seen or heard of again.

That’s pretty much what he’s doing as far as I can tell. A Europhile promising a referendum because he didn’t think he’d win a majority in the general election, and thinking he’d win the referendum in the off chance he did.

Anyway, I’m fed up of hearing the ‘if they could vote now’ line. It’s done. We just need a competent government to make the best of it. We don’t have that. That’s what people should be focusing on.

Noone really knows what the effects will be, all this is speculation. Sounds like the report suggested a variety of scenarios but with a whole load of caveats so what use was it except to line the pockets of the consultants or civil servants who wrote it? Look at the disastrous effect on the exchange rate of the British pound and the value of British stocks the day after the Brexit vote for a foreshadowing of what will happen to Britain if ever they go through with this madness. But the pro Brexit vote is not based on economics it is based on Nationalism and in some cases racism

But the pro Brexit vote is not based on economics it is based on Nationalism and in some cases racism

I disagree. I know plenty of decent people who voted Brexit for reasons other than nationalism and/or racism, although I’m pretty sure the lion’s share of racists and nationalists voted Brexit.

Just speaking up for some of the politically-informed screaming lefties of my acquaintance who voted out.

It will be highly unlikely we would see any reduction in Islamic terrorism on mainland Britain because the country leaves the EU. All of the recent terrorists were born within the UK or came from other countries outside of the EU.

Oh ok, I see.

Well, thats reassuring.

The London elite

Pantomime drivel.

Rees-Mogg is about as London elite as it's possible to be. His father was Baron Rees-Mogg, editor of Murdoch's Times. Tree-Frog went to Eton, Oxford and then worked for the Rothschild investment bank. Later he started his own investment firm, based in a variety of tax havens. He loves tax havens. In no way does he represent anyone other than deranged Thatcherite bigots and nutjobs.

When Britain pulled out of the ERM in 1993, Britain would be worse off. Britain was'nt.

When Britain did not join the single currency in 2000, Britain would be worse off. Britain was'nt.

I could go on and on with examples, but don't have time right now.

If the British had voted to remain, polls today would probably show a majority of people wanting to leave. There'd be a call for a second referendum, but from the other side. Get on with Brexiting, compared to what the country went through in the first half of the last century this is mere paperwork.

Quelle surprise.

That Canzuk suggestion is a laugh.Oz, NZ and Canada are small markets.It wouldn't replace the Brexit shortfall by much.

Sorry. completely incorrect.

CANZUK Area Average

Population: 31,594,366

GDP (Official exchange rate): $1.42 trillion

GDP per capita: $47,225

I disagree. I know plenty of decent people who voted Brexit for reasons other than nationalism and/or racism, although I’m pretty sure the lion’s share of racists and nationalists voted Brexit.

Just speaking up for some of the politically-informed screaming lefties of my acquaintance who voted out.

True. People of all ages and socio-economic backgrounds voted to leave. These stereotypes are just empty. lazy and wildly inaccurate labels to scapegoat others. I know loads of young people who voted to leave, older ones, like me, who voted to stay. As for the 'London elite' - that's another lazy excuse to finger point and abdicate responsibility for what going on. I'm from London, I'm certainly not in the elite, I come from the poorest part of the country with the highest level of child poverty, so keep your made up demons to yourself and look at the real enemies of democracy.