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British judge upholds arrest warrant for Julian Assange

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Good. Nobody is above the law. I hope it's broadcast live arresting him the first foot he puts outside the embassy.

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Oh, how sad. He's concerned he'll actually have to face up to the crimes he's committed.

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Oh, how sad. He's concerned he'll actually have to face up to the crimes he's committed.

Not exactly. He's concerned that he'll be shipped off to the US to face laws that should not be applicable to him as a non-US citizen.

Unfortunately, that concern meant that he escaped having to face the actual crimes he was accused of. The unreasonable stance of the USA meant that his accusers did not get justice. This is on the shoulders of the USA.

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Strangerland - Not exactly. He's concerned that he'll be shipped off to the US to face laws that should not be applicable to him as a non-US citizen.

Unfortunately, that concern meant that he escaped having to face the actual crimes he was accused of. The unreasonable stance of the USA meant that his accusers did not get justice. This is on the shoulders of the USA.

That's absurd. Assange "allegedly" raped two women in Sweden. There were no "USA shoulders" assisting Assange in those bedrooms. Assange fled Sweden without any help from the USA. When Assange faced extradition from England to Sweden, Assange, without any aid from the USA, chose to hide in the Ecuadorean Embassy. Now Assange would like the Brits to simply ignore his bail jumping, and let this "alleged rapist" and "bail jumper" go free. And a British judge refused his request. Just because this "alleged rapist" and "bail jumper" is tired of hanging out at the Ecuadorean Embassy (and the Ecuadorean staff is probably tired of hosting the depressed/depressing Assange) is no reason for Assange to escape British justice.

There are still two women in Sweden who deserve to see justice done. The only one claiming Assange is wanted by the USA is Assange, his lawyer, and the people who support an "alleged rapist".

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Did the rape really happen in the first place? I find myself becoming more and more skeptical about any cases US government or its intelligence service is involved.

As a non US citizen, I support Assange for his daring action to stand up against US risking his peaceful life and also his reputation to show rest of the world what's going on. He is kinda hero. Not like those in the stupid holliwood patriotic scifi movies. A real one.

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That's absurd. Assange "allegedly" raped two women in Sweden. There were no "USA shoulders" assisting Assange in those bedrooms. Assange fled Sweden without any help from the USA.

The USA could have got justice for those women by declaring that they would not have Assange extradited to the USA. They choose not to do that, and it would be ridiculous to just trust them, so Assange hid out and unfortunately escaped having a trial to clear up the issue of his innocence or guilt.

If the US didn't want Assange, it would have been real easy for them to issue that declaration. The absence of it is telling.

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The US has never said or done anything as far as I am aware regarding Mr Assange, even if individuals have had private thoughts.

The problem for him is that he has played this smokescreen paper tiger card for so long that some US authorities have probably come to think that hey, maybe we should be looking at him. In other words he has possibly one-handedly created the exact scenario that he feigns to be afraid of.

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If there was a vote, Assange or Snowden should be the head of the UN.

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If they were the only two running, Glty, Snowden gets my vote any day of the year. That guy has intelligence, understanding and principles.

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Let him he has been under "house arrest" for more than five years. Time served. He didn't rape anyone under British law but had consensual sex with two women without asking before hand if it was alright not to use a condom so under Swedish law that is included as rape. The Swedes have dropped their case.

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If your innocent of all charges Mr Assange then prove it, walk out and have your say in court! No, didn't think so? Are you above the law? I think in that delusional head you think you are or at worst you feel like  martyr to your cause! Unfortunately that cause is slowly dying, as the upcoming generations don't know who you are?

So give up this charade and surrender yourself to the authorities and stop wasting everyone's time and money!

Let him stay in there for all I care, his leaks put peoples lives in danger and he deserves to face the music over that!

Just because we can do a thing doesn't mean that we must! Too much information is not always good!

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Has his betrayal done any good to the world? No. But it has put the lives of people related in danger. He has it coming...

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As Zichi has already mentioned, the "rape" would not have been a rape under most jurisdiction. The lack of a condom when the sex is otherwise consensual does not constitute rape in most people's minds. Some even think the women were a CIA honeytrap.

Assange has good reason to fear being deported to the US. Look what happened to Chelsea Manning. Look at how the US detains people without fair trial.

In the first comment CrazyJoe suggest the nobody is above the law. Well, how many American have ever been tried, let alone found guilty, for war crimes? Rumsfeld and Bush caused tens of thousands of deaths, Reagan supported terrorism in Nicaragua, Kissinger also supported what some would describe as genocide, and none of them ever got near a court for their unspeakable actions.

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Let him he has been under "house arrest" for more than five years. Time served. He didn't rape anyone under British law but had consensual sex with two women without asking before hand if it was alright not to use a condom so under Swedish law that is included as rape. The Swedes have dropped their case.

He hasn't been under 'house arrest', he chose to enter the Ecuadorian Embassy and hide in a cupboard to escape judicial proceedings, some of which have gone away, one of which, the arrest warrant for bail jumping, has not. Why should that be dropped? He broke UK law and betrayed the friends that put up his considerable bail. He should come out and face the consequences. He has not served any time at all.

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Look what happened to Chelsea Manning. Look at how the US detains people without fair trial.

I hate to break it to you, but Chelsea Manning had a security clearance and clearly broke US law by violating the rules of that clearance when he passed classified files to Wikileaks. He knew exactly what he was doing and he also got his fair trial (not sure where you got that part from) and is still a felon despite his sentence being commuted by Obama. I had a security clearance and would have been treated the same way had I done the same stupid thing.

Assange broke multiple laws and is simply scared to face the music of his antics. It's that simple. As far as the rape charges go, I find it very disappointing how many celebrities have been 'guilty until proven innocent' of sexual assault charges, but since Assange is some kind of liberal underground hero, his actual rape charges should just be dismissed.

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He is in breach of his bail conditions, whatever else he still has to answer for that, there is no statute of limitations, just because he has evaded justice for a long time does not make it go away.

As to his actions in Sweden, he did what he did within that jurisdiction and should answer for them in their court of law and comparisons to other jurisdictions are irrelevant. He may have a valid case but until it is tried it is all moot.

As to his assertions that he will be extradited to the USA, there is no evidence of any such intention, although it could be easily resolved by a simple statement from the US authorities that they have no intention of seeking his extradition.

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If your innocent of all charges Mr Assange then prove it

Have you not been keeping up on the story? The charges have already been dropped - there is no opportunity for him to prove it anymore. However, even if the charges had not been dropped, he still would never be given the chances to prove it, as the US would have him extradited to the US as soon as he left the embassy.

Let him stay in there for all I care, his leaks put peoples lives in danger and he deserves to face the music over that!

Ahh, so now we get to the core of the matter. You don't care about the supposed rape charges, you just want him to face 'justice' in the US.

Well that's why he's not leaving the embassy.

Has his betrayal done any good to the world?

Who did he betray? He has/had no obligation to the US. You can only betray someone/something that you have made a commitment to.

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As to his assertions that he will be extradited to the USA, there is no evidence of any such intention, although it could be easily resolved by a simple statement from the US authorities that they have no intention of seeking his extradition.

Exactly. Their refusal to do so shows that they place their own interests above those of citizens in Sweden and the UK. Remember that non-Americans.

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Strangerland - The USA could have got justice for those women by declaring that they would not have Assange extradited to the USA. They choose not to do that, and it would be ridiculous to just trust them, so Assange hid out and unfortunately escaped having a trial to clear up the issue of his innocence or guilt.

Let's not forget that Julian Assange had abandoned his own wife and young child in Australia. I suspect that some people would also like to blame the USA for that Assange choice. -rolleyes-  There are lots of people whom the U.S. is not seeking legal action against. Should every country provide a list of people they are NOT seeking legal action against?

Assange chose to violate Swedish law and fled the country. Sweden is currently not actively pursuing this case, but the charges can be reactivated until 2020, assuming Assange is stupid enough to enter Swedish territory. There are still two Swedish women expecting justice, even if the Swedish government can't currently provide that justice.

Assange chose to violate British law and chose to hide in the Ecuadorian embassy. He can stay there as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe that any more women should be subjected to the desires of a Julian Assange.

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Strangerland - Exactly. Their refusal to do so shows that they place their own interests above those of citizens in Sweden and the UK. Remember that non-Americans.

What I'll remember is that there seems to be a surprising number of people who advocate for an "alleged" rapist, and law breaker. Shocking!

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Let's not forget that Julian Assange had abandoned his own wife and young child in Australia. I suspect that some people would also like to blame the USA for that Assange choice.

Do you? Because I've literally never seen this suggestion anywhere other than you posting it here. I suspect that your claim isn't actually based in any kind of reality insofar as what you are suggesting.

Assange chose to violate Swedish law and fled the country.

Well, we don't know if he violated Swedish law or not, as he has not faced a trial. Or are you a believer in guilty until proven innocent? Either way, the correct thing would be for him to face trial there.

Assange chose to violate British law

Again, guilty until proven innocent?

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What I'll remember is that there seems to be a surprising number of people who advocate for an "alleged" rapist, and law breaker.

I'm an advocate for a non-American citizen not being extradited to the US to face laws of a land of which he is not a citizen, nor a resident, when supposed crimes were committed. The fact that he stands accused of crimes in a completely different country is independent of this. He was a resident in that country, and should face trial if he stands accused there.

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Assange chose to violate British law

Again, guilty until proven innocent?

@strangerland. He has violated British law, he jumped bail. How can you deny this?

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@strangerland. He has violated British law, he jumped bail. How can you deny this?

Really? Can you please point me at the results of his trial on this issue? I hadn't heard he'd faced trial, so I am presuming innocence, but if he has been tried on the matter and found guilty, then I'll need to change my presumption.

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So, if you see a crime committed you refuse to believe it happened unless the perpetrator was convicted in a court of law? You really are desperate to defend a man who has tried to escape justice. Anyway, he can have his say over the bail warrant in a court of law if he wants, they are ready and waiting, he only has to turn up on Tuesday. He is not beng denied justice, he he just refusing to participate unless he knows the verdict in advance. It's all very Alice Thriugh The Looking-Glass.

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Strangerland - Really? Can you please point me at the results of his trial on this issue? I hadn't heard he'd faced trial, so I am presuming innocence, but if he has been tried on the matter and found guilty, then I'll need to change my presumption.

You're also presuming/assuming that the U.S. has a warrant out for Assange's arrest. Assange is claiming a fact that is not in evidence, and you're giving the "alledged" rapist the benefit of the doubt.

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You're also presuming/assuming that the U.S. has a warrant out for Assange's arrest. 

No, I accept it may very well not exist. And if it doesn’t, the US should be clear about that so the women can face justice.

He’d be pretty stupid to just hope it doesn’t exist when he steps out the embassy.

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No, I accept it may very well not exist. And if it doesn’t, the US should be clear about that so the women can face justice.

Why should the US bother giving him any assurances one way or the other? The US has every right to go after him, whether they decide to do so or not is up to the them.

Don't go blaming the US for why the women in Sweden can't get justice. Assange's cowardice is to blame.

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StrangerlandFeb. 8 09:22 am JST

@strangerland. He has violated British law, he jumped bail. How can you deny this?

Really? Can you please point me at the results of his trial on this issue?

He has breached his bail conditions, he did not appear in court, these are matters of record, as such there is no "trial" in such cases.

extankerToday 05:37 am JST

The US has every right to go after him

No, this is the US attempting to apply extraterritoriality to its internal laws, a practice internationally regarded as unacceptable.

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Why should the US bother giving him any assurances one way or the other?

Because if they have no interest in him, then they can state so and give the opportunity for justice for those who have accused him.

The US has every right to go after him, whether they decide to do so or not is up to the them.

Well that's a matter of opinion, but it's the reasoning behind your comment that is exactly why he is hiding out. The US has placed their own interests above those of the women who may have been victims of sexual assault.

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Strangerland - No, I accept it may very well not exist. And if it doesn’t, the US should be clear about that so the women can face justice.

He’d be pretty stupid to just hope it doesn’t exist when he steps out the embassy.

"So that women can face justice"???? What did women do wrong?

Assange was pretty stupid to think he could get away with raping women in the first place. Assange was pretty stupid to think he could avoid Swedish and British justice without some inconvenience on his part. I assume that the "alleged" rapist Assange was/is hoping that there would still be those who would support Assange REGARDLESS of his actions. Even to the point of blaming the U.S. for Assange's disgusting choices.

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"So that women can face justice"???? What did women do wrong?

Ahh typo. I’m surprised you couldn’t read through it though - I’d automatically realized the person meant ‘see justice’ or something, but that does take a certain level of brain power.

Assange was pretty stupid to think he could get away with raping women in the first place. Assange was pretty stupid to think he could avoid Swedish and British justice without some inconvenience on his part. I assume that the "alleged" rapist Assange was/is hoping that there would still be those who would support Assange REGARDLESS of his actions. Even to the point of blaming the U.S. for Assange's disgusting choices.

If the US doesn’t want to be blamed, they could get rid of that blame very quickly by making an agreement to not have him extradited. Otherwise the rest of he world will continue seeing it as the US placing their own interests above women who may have been raped in some country that the US doesn’t care about since its not the US.

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Strangerland - Ahh typo. I’m surprised you couldn’t read through it though - I’d automatically realized the person meant ‘see justice’ or something, but that does take a certain level of brain power.

Your constant personal sniping is unwarranted and unwelcome.

I can only read what you write. I can not read what you meant to say.

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Strangerland - If the US doesn’t want to be blamed, they could get rid of that blame very quickly by making an agreement to not have him extradited. Otherwise the rest of he world will continue seeing it as the US placing their own interests above women who may have been raped in some country that the US doesn’t care about since its not the US.

The U.S. isn't to blame for Assange's choices. The only people choosing to blame the U.S. are Assange, his lawyer, and the advocates for the "alleged" rapist and bail jumper who are attempting to divert attention away from Assange's rapes and law-breaking. A tactic that does not appear to be working. Assange stays where he is.

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