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British lawmaker arrested after rape accusation, Sunday Times reports

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An unnamed British lawmaker and former minister was arrested on Saturday after police received allegations of rape, sexual assault and coercive control, The Sunday Times reported.

A woman in her twenties reported to police she had been assaulted and forced to have sex, the newspaper reported. The woman was a former parliamentary employee, it said.

London's Metropolitan Police said it had received on Friday allegations relating to four separate incidents between July 2019 and January 2020.

"A man in his 50s was arrested on Saturday, 1 August on suspicion of rape and is currently in custody in an east London police station," the police statement said.

Police did not confirm any further details about the arrested man's identity or occupation.

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allegations relating to four separate incidents between July 2019 and January 2020.

What? All from one woman? Two men are arrested and in custody based on nothing but verbal allegations from one woman with the freshest alleged incident from 7 months ago? What ever happened to voluntary questioning? Its almost like they are guilty until proven guilty isn't it?

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What? All from one woman? Two men are arrested and in custody based on nothing but verbal allegations from one woman with the freshest alleged incident from 7 months ago? What ever happened to voluntary questioning? Its almost like they are guilty until proven guilty isn't it?

Slow down. Yes, you can be arrested in the UK on an allegation of rape. Police have a power of arrest; they use it basically on an assumption of guilt rather than innocence (it works better that way). It is the courts, not the police, that are required to assume innocence until proven guilty. And it might be better to say that the police do not assume "guilt" as such, because they're not tasked with making that legal determination. They arrest people on suspicion of having committed a crime, and if they believe the case is strong enough, charges are made.

Only one person was arrested, an MP who is a former minister. Perhaps you had something else in mind, but a minister in the parliamentary context is someone who heads a government department.

You're also assuming far too much from far too little, which seems to be a habit of commenters on JT who take the querulous line - there are many of them. God knows why they think that an 8 line story off a newswire (on this site, often supplied by Kyodo or translated from Japanese, at that) contains sufficient information to start quibbling over this word or that word and pinning entire conclusions on a hair-splitting definition.

So to move you along a little with the story, it involves a woman who was in a sexual relationship with the man she is accusing, and the police have been able to view (thanks Daily Mail) hundreds of texts between the two.

Concerning this;

What? All from one woman?

Yes, one woman is accusing one man of rape. There's no requirement in the law that more than one person must make an accusation; there's no requirement that a person must have assaulted more than one victim for it to be classifed as rape; and there's no recognition in the law that rape within a relationship isn't rape.

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Yes, one woman is accusing one man of rape. There's no requirement in the law that more than one person must make an accusation;

So, not sharia yet.

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nothing but verbal allegations from one woman 

Do you want two male eye witnesses? I appreciate that in some cultures the witness statement of a woman is not considered to have the same weight as a man's, but I strongly disagree with this backwards thinking.

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You're also assuming far too much from far too little

Assume? What did I assume? I made a mistake thinking "a lawmaker and former minister" were two people yes. But an assumption? What assumption?

God knows why they think that an 8 line story off a newswire (on this site, often supplied by Kyodo or translated from Japanese, at that) contains sufficient information

A lack of information was a potential part of my complaint. See, I am just not seeing sufficient cause for an arrest, nor has the information you provided made see it either.

Yes, you can be arrested in the UK on an allegation of rape.

Obviously! My trouble is I just don't see how any of the information provided can fairly be considered cause for arrest. I can see no benefit to the investigation. I can see no prevention of a possible flight risk. I can understand an investigation itself. I can understand a trial. But arrest? Because a woman said a man raped her repeatedly several months ago?

The three posters above this post you all really surprise me that you either completely trust that the police have done the fair and correct thing based on information they are not sharing, or, that the information given thus far justifies the arrest of a person. I don't know. Maybe you think arrest has no downside at all for someone who may be 100 percent innocent? Or maybe you think any man with a finger pointed at him must surely be guilty of something? Sorry, but I can't understand your thinking at all. Can you even imagine having police clap cart you off because someone you broke up with months ago made an accusation against you? Can you even see that happening to a completely innocent person and imagine what that would be like?

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Quick note, 'lawmaker' is an Americanism used to make the news easy to understand for folks across the pond. Not in the original Sunday Times article.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tory-ex-minister-arrested-over-rape-qdm897rv2

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The U.K. media has more details. It’s a Tory MP and former Minister to boot. The woman approached Tory Whip Mark Spencer and Leader of the Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg about the ordeal several months ago. Spencer told her to report it and did nothing else. Rees-Mogg did nothing. One assault was so brutal the woman needed hospital treatment.

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Sorry, but I can't understand your thinking at all.

 

Don't worry about it. You don't need to.

A lack of information was a potential part of my complaint. See, I am just not seeing sufficient cause for an arrest, nor has the information you provided made see it either.

I'm sure you have the capability to find out more, but if you're unwilling to go to such lengths, you can continue to pepper this thread with questions if that works for you. You're going to enjoy this site; it abounds with snippet reports like this one.

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I can understand an investigation itself. I can understand a trial. But arrest? 

The person has not been charged (at least, not yet). The arrest is basically for questioning. It's within police powers in England to question people suspected of a crime. The word "arrest" is used in such circumstances. I.e. "You are required to come down to the police station to answer some questions."

(I've read the person has subsequently been released on bail. Which suggests he is still under suspicion.)

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I'm sure you have the capability to find out more, but if you're unwilling to go to such lengths

Indeed I can and often do. That said, the discussions below the articles are often a treasure trove of information which in fact sometimes points to where to start looking for accurate information before weeding through disinformation. In fact it is the very discussion why I am here. My trust for the press is limited.

you can continue to pepper this thread with questions if that works for you.

And you don't need to reply to me while ignoring every single question I posit, including the ones put directly to you. You can also stop accusing me of things you cannot or will even try to back up.

Also you seem to be very insistent on missing my point that about the (lack of) justice behind arresting a person on such bare accusation.

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The person has not been charged (at least, not yet).... (I've read the person has subsequently been released on bail. Which suggests he is still under suspicion.)

Out on bail without being charged? Yep. They do that in the U.K. Also they put restrictions on the person as a condition to bail even though they have that money and the person is not charged. I am just flabbergasted that people can read such things and not feel anything is seriously wrong with this picture.

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The Rochford Tory Party would like to make it clear that this story has nothing to do with Mark Francois. They have this on the authority of that model of probity Dominic Cummings, and his assistant Johnson.

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I am just flabbergasted that people can read such things and not feel anything is seriously wrong with this picture.

So why don't you tell us what you think the police should do when someone makes an allegation of rape? Some of your comments above imply they should do nothing at all. I hope I misread those.

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