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British PM Cameron to fight back on crime after grim week

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I think all of the British problems stem from not understanding to enjoy life more, say like Mr.Bean.

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If Labour are the only alternative, then better to stay the way things are and push forwards.

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Elbuda -Im sure the British are thankful that they dont have the mexican understanding of crime - rampant drug wars, beheadings and murders.

Nanda- you want the nasty party to remain? As per the article they are the party of "sod you, im ok" which took how long to force out andrew "you are all plebs" mitchell? And only then because the tory backbenchers realise the damage this publicity does to their reelection chances.

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Memories are short. a lot of the current problems stem from the awful Labour government. Huuge deficit, still poor public services, explosion of bureaucracy, huge health and safety "industry", Iraq, Afghanistan, financial services collapse due to poor regulation, out of control media, Jimmy Savile etc etc. Tories need more time to sort out this mess.

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Oh come on Wak -

Huuge deficit, still poor public services, explosion of bureaucracy, huge health and safety "industry", Iraq, Afghanistan, financial services collapse due to poor regulation, out of control media, Jimmy Savile etc etc.

The tories are equally responsible or would have done the same for - poor public services (the tories being the party of small government), Iraq and afghanistan (the tories being as pro american as blair. They would have followed america to iraq/afghanistan as well), financial services collapse (they are the party of big business and lobbying).

And lastly - Jimmy Saville? His crimes happened over successive labour/tory governments. You have no evidence the tories would have suppressed the investigation into saville had then been in power earlier this century.

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Memories are short. a lot of the current problems stem from the awful Labour government. Huuge deficit, still poor public services, explosion of bureaucracy, huge health and safety "industry", Iraq, Afghanistan, financial services collapse due to poor regulation, out of control media, Jimmy Savile etc etc. Tories need more time to sort out this mess.

Ah, the old "blame the last Labour government for everything" ploy. Doesn't work this time - the Tories' wounds are entirely self-inflicted. The Tories privatised the railways, creating the conditions for the bungled west coast line franchise deal which they also oversaw. A Tory Prime Minister announced energy policies that his own energy department knew nothing about. A Tory Chief Whip had to resign for throwing temper tantrums at the police. A Tory Chancellor was caught fare-dodging. In the past two or three months the Tories have made themselves look more inept than Labour managed in twelve years. Yes, the last Labour government got a lot wrong and caused a lot of problems, mainly by trying to be more Tory than the Tories. Far from being the right people to sort out any mess, all the current government seems to be capable of doing is making things worse.

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Wakarimasen,

'Wakarimasen', indeed. Let's try the truth, not the yah, boo, hiss! of the playground.

Jimmy Savile spent 11 successive New Years Eves at (Prime Minister's official country residence) Chequers with Margaret Thatcher. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/8857759/Jimmy-Savile-the-big-fixer.html

As for the out of control media alluded to, correct me if I'm wrong in observing that the 'out of control' print titles were decidedly not left-leaning. Although the Tories would of course gain great political capital by clamping down on their sworn enemies in the City.

David Cameron's policies seem limited to gagging his coalition partners, and dismantling the Welfare State. He can't fight back on crime because he's fired too many cops, and peed off the rest of them by NOT firing the cabinet minister who swore at the policemen guarding Downing Street. Time for Change!

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David Cameron's policies seem limited to gagging his coalition partners, and dismantling the Welfare State.

You say that like its a bad thing.

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You say that like its a bad thing.

Tis.

They want to bring back fox-hunting, too.

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Blair's got a lot to answer for, but Jimmy Savile???

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Cameron and his greasy fat cat pals don't give a flying fig about anyone but themselves and their rich buddies. The crime here is that they're still in power.

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You say that like its a bad thing.

Is that for comic effect, like when Gene Hunt said it in Life on Mars?

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The UK has created a society in which so many people are dependent on the state its not surprising the people want to hang onto that. Easier to get pregnant in your teens and get a council flat than to work hard and actually earn one. Civil service jobs much easier and with better pensions than real ones.Two things have helped sustain this model so far. North sea oil/gas and then the financial services industry. With both in decline, how do you fund a country dependent on the state?

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Easier to get pregnant in your teens and get a council flat than to work hard and actually earn one.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Would you rather have a society in which unmarried mothers and newborn babies are living on the street?

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I think all of the British problems stem from not understanding to enjoy life more, say like Mr.Bean.

I know how to enjoy life, thank you very much. Mr Bean is meant to be an alien anyway...

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You say that like it's a bad thing. Would you rather have a society in which unmarried mothers and newborn babies are living on the street?

If someone opposes the welfare system in its current form they want to see mothers and newborn babies living on the street? You're saying those are the only two choices? OK, fair enough, keep everything as it is then.

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Isn't the problem that Dave has No Trousers?

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" Would you rather have a society in which unmarried mothers and newborn babies are living on the street?"

The left likes a bit of hyperbole and emotion, but the issue of benefit abuse has gone way beyond such imagery. I'm beyond caring that 16 year old Kayleigh-Leigh Chavton is on the street with baby 2 week old baby Aleesha with the Jamaican Dad gone AWOL 9 months previous.

I'd stretch to modern camps with sanitary facilities and soup kitchens for such cases. Credits given to them for tasks achieved. With some supervision the long term jobless could actually be building such facilities, who knows they might God forbid learn some skills in the process. They could even be taught right-wing cruelty such as being forced to get up on a morning (yup, no more 11am lie-ins watching telly in bed smokin' tabs!!). Anything that shames them for their habitual sponging from society. Let's face it, the well-meant social system has got to such a state of perpetual abuse, that it has created three generations on non-contributors to the very system they're milking all of their lives. Many young girls often get pregnant for the sole reason that it opens up their rights to free housing, free bills, free, free, free, free......

If the dregs of society weren't being rewarded handsomely for irresponsible breeding, then perhaps these people might latch on to crazy notions such as planned parenthood in stable relationships. I'll repeat what I said yesterday - the longer this issue is left to fester, the more radical a solution will get.

Cameron is part of the problem. Another Eton botty boy equally as out of touch ruling over the Plebs. Miliband is a joke. What the hell happened to Great Britain?

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What the hell happened to Great Britain?

Do you mean great indicating that britain is a gegraphical entity comprising different political parts? Or do you mean "lets put the great back into britain" beloved of the eton tories and harry enfield?

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Nah, I meant the proud, well-mannered, industrial nation where it was seen a disgrace to be taking welfare and anti-social behaviour was practically non-existent....

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And lets not even touch on folk waltzing in from the EU, free to claim benefits and when a crime is committed,they are allowed to stay as deporting themabuses their human rights`.

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The Jimmy Savile one was a joke. Still Labour were rubbish. It is a pity that DC is losing his way too.

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In France we have a lot of problems related to crime these days, like in Marseille and the rescent murders in Corsica. I don't think our government is competent for that matter. I hope Mr Cameron will be able to fix this problem in Britain at least....

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I live in France where the situation of entitlement mentality is as equally chronic. Like you say, we have an incompetent champagne-socialist nincompoop voted in on a platform of denial for a welfare system on the brink of collapse. Let's see how much damage he can do before bowing out.

I now pay my taxes in the UK where at least if you want to work hard you still can, but I'm still an unwilling participant in funding the welfare madness.

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@Madverts I just wonder where you date your 3 (4?) generations of freeloaders from.

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It is a pity that DC is losing his way too.

It hasn't taken him very long. Then again he was probably a bit rubbish to begin with - given how bad you say Labour were, how could he possibly have failed to totally flatten Gordon Brown and secure an outright majority?

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Sure the UK is not perfect but I guess it's a least better than Mexico?? But seriously now at lease Cameron is a handsome devil, lovely hair and may one day help Great Britain save itself from itself, so just to give my humble opinion, yes I do love Mr.Bean!!!

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@Madverts... camps? Really?

Yes there are welfare spongers, but there are also people who can't work because their factories have closed down, which may have been the biggest employer.

Direct your anger at those who claim they'd be worse off working... THOSE are the biggest problem, not the poor sods out of a job because of a global meltdown. Those of us in work should be grateful we're not out of work... how many of you could find a job in a town with no more factories. Go to another town? How? You can't afford to run a car, rent a new house, etc...

Until the Tories realise they need to create jobs to get us out of this recession the problem will persist.

Sorry... politicians and bankers got us into this mess... I loathe them.

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@Madverts I just want to know when you think this living on benefits culture started - that's all. The Thatcher years? BTW I was born and brought up in Everton ;)

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Jimizo,

A combination if the seventies leftwing madness that lost most of out industry and then yes, Thatcher, who bit off her nose to spite her face with the unions with outsourcing.

I had friends from Skelmersdale when I was a teenager in the nineties. It was the only place that looked as rough as where I came from in the North East - shell suits included, apart from the Kevin Keegan hairdos!

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"Direct your anger at those who claim they'd be worse off working... THOSE are the biggest problem"

No, I won't. The spongers actually can't be blamed for the system that makes them better off sat on their arses at home.

It is the system that is at fault.

It is the system that has allowed this to happen, and grow exponentially.

"not the poor sods out of a job because of a global meltdown"

If you's read my posts I'm not mentioning this group of people.

"Until the Tories realise they need to create jobs to get us out of this recession the problem will persist."

I'm sorry but you're starting to sound like a Romney supporter here. Whilst it is the governments job too provide the best environment for growth, they are not responsible for job creation. Unless you're going to go loony socialist on me with calls for nationalization or job creation schemes that end up causing huge amounts of government debt to fiddle the employment figures.

Miliband got booed for a candid admission and stating the obvious that some austerity measures are needed. We've allowed our governments to rack up stinking amounts of debt over the years. A tightening of belts it the only way forward for UK and the rest of Europe.

Making the lives of career, hereditary spongers as uncomfortable as possible is the only way to help the poor. Thanks again to Mr Franklin.

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Cameron and his idiots have made ridiculous cuts in the police force, and the armed forces for that matter. Now he thinks that he can reduce crime with fewer officers and resources. The man is an idiot and a charlatan. To be seen to be doing something positive about crime the 'Con'servatives are letting areas vote fro how they want police resources spent. It may look as though this is positive, but really it is a very thin smokescreen to hide behind. What the country needs is more policing and tougher sentences, and a complete stop on immigration with immediate benefits until the country can get itself back into some sense of order. What's the point in bringing more and more people into the country when there aren't enough jobs to go round, benefits are being cut and services are being reduced? Isn't that going to increase crime?

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UKIP. Enough said.

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What the country needs is more policing and tougher sentences...

What, more and longer custodial sentences for a wider range of crimes? Where's the money going to come from for arresting, trying and sentencing all the extra people you want to convict, and then keeping them in prison?

...and a complete stop on immigration with immediate benefits until the country can get itself back into some sense of order.

Do you really think there's any 21st Century first world democratic nation that's ever actually going to do that?

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UKIP? Camps? What happened to "Great" Britain?

Feel like I've wandered onto the Daily Mail site by mistake. Or into an old folks' home.

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Nah you've walked into reality you cannot refute. Sing kumbaya all ye like, the socialist nonesense that has lead to these people being better off sitting at home on benefits and being rewarded for breeding irresponsibly has come home to roost.

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Lucabrasi 'Great' Britain has lost the Great thanks to the previous Labour government and now the Tories screwing the nation over. They need to get their priorities right and stop handing out milions and millions of taxpayers money to waste of spaces who can't be assed to get a job and decide its easier to have 10 kids because they will get a free house and 30-40k a year. And who pays for this? Thats right the person who struggles to feed their own children because they have to pay for the kids next door to eat luxury food! Introduce food stamps and community service, make these people earn the money..

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They also need to get out of the EU and all the bulls*** laws that they introduce whichs ties the UK law system down. Remember the EU was formed as a way of making trade easier between european nations. Not something which decides on your countries laws and what you can and can't do!

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