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Buffalo shooting latest example of targeted racial violence

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Black people should arm themselves for self defense just like the second amendment suggests. But the problem there is that a certain cohort in the US that otherwise worships the right to bear arms would suddenly turn into gun control freaks when law abiding people of colour (or color since this is an article about the US) start arming themselves en masse.

That’s what happened when Reagan was California governor in 1967. The legacy behind the strict California gun laws is that they were an attempt to disarm the Black Panthers who had marched up to the State Capitol.

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Gunmen with biases against religion and sexual orientation have also carried out targeted violence

There are so few of these racial based “whites shooting blacks” type shootings that halfway through the article they had to change the subject to religion and a Muslim shooting at a gay club.

“Do we really need (politicians) showing up to our places of worship to help bury our folks and do nothing to stop the carnage?”

a politician is showing up today. You will praise him for coming.

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The document also outlines a racist ideology rooted in a belief that the U.S. should belong only to white people. All others, the document said, were “replacers”

This is an idea that has been increasingly normalized by prominent right wing media personalities, most notably the late Rush Limbaugh and now Steve Brannon, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram and other Fox friends. These racist ideologies had been in decline until revived by these opportunistic schmucks.

It is simply disingenuous to claim that Tucker bears no responsibility for the rise of mass targeting of dark-skinned minorities.

Tucker’s racist dog whistles are well documented:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/us/tucker-carlson-gop-republican-party.html

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For many Black Americans, the Buffalo shooting 

Cities with Democratic administrations have high rates of homicide. Have restrictive gun laws.

Teach fake news CRT in schools mandating transgender bathrooms and a grooming curriculum.

Then things like this happen because of a young, white male that happened to have access to a firearm.

Coincidence?

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Again, dismissing this horror as just another 'hate crime' ignores the violence that is occurring daily on streets in ALL American cities and is increasing with each passing month with victims and perpetrators of all shades and 'ethnicities'. These are the earliest pox pustules of impending social breakdown with three MASS incidents in a single weekend in disparate parts of the, so far, 'United' States driven by constant input from 'opportunists' whose motto is "In chaos there is opportunity" and the understanding that, if people are hating and killing each other, they will not notice their Corporate parasites abusing them. It's difficult to worry about the price of gasoline if worry that you will be shot while buying it occupies your mind. And, among White People, racial fear is the easiest to stoke, particularly among the immature which, sometimes it seems, extends well into middle age for many. Ever increasing poverty amid news of windfall Corporate profits and media extollation of wealth recruits its own anger and fear. News of U.S. facilitation of mass murder for profit in a population becoming more aware of U.S. lies through too rapid reiteration of 'different place, same lies'... The U.S. can never have been described as a 'sane' country but whatever wobbly internal 'balance' may have been maintained in the past is becoming serious unstable and woe to the world if it topples completely...

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Swap black and white with tutsi and Hutu, swap the obsessive Christianity with Muslim extremism, and you have your own English speaking middle East. Maybe it's time for the UN to introduce a peace corps....

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I’m not defending the shooting at all but I wonder why other ethnicities eg Indians are not targeted as black people are?

Is it because black people are proportionally more violent themselves?

I would propose that it is.

Factually, I would like to be proven incorrect on this…

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This is an idea that has been increasingly normalized by prominent right wing media personalities, most notably the late Rush Limbaugh and now Steve Brannon, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram and other Fox friends.

Don’t forget the demonizations of white conservatives as one monolithic group on liberal networks while dismissing reverse racism which selectively and purposely are pushed to the masses or not.

These racist ideologies had been in decline until revived by these opportunistic schmucks.

They were not in decline because you always had racists, racism doesn’t effect one side racially, never has and never will. When Obama was President there were also radical groups that were extremely displeased with his presidency and wanted it to end as well as the man dealing with periodic threats towards him and his family.

It is simply disingenuous to claim that Tucker bears no responsibility for the rise of mass targeting of dark-skinned minorities.

He actually doesn’t. Every report, research and interview on these particular issues were not factually refuted or disputed except by the usual one-sided media hit assassins that have tried in vain to get the man off the air and unsuccessfully.

Tucker’s racist dog whistles are well documented:

According to leftist outlets and they continue to backfire because they continue to get debunked.

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We’re talking about the deliberate targeting of black people for their race, 

Which has happened twice since 2015 according to the article.

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Is this the “replacement theory” people are talking about??

“Folks like me who are Caucasian, of European descent, for the first time in 2017 we’ll be in an absolute minority in the USA, absolute minority. Fewer than 50% of the people in America from then and on will be white European stock.”

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According to leftist outlets and they continue to backfire because they continue to get debunked.

The fingerprints of the woke, lib cultural Marixst Update New York academic elite establishment are all over this tragedy.

Let's fight harder against teaching CRT, especially in majority black neighborhoods.

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Sadly unsurprising the usuals want to talk about anything other than the tragedy.

Broken people defending a broken country.

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According to leftist outlets and they continue to backfire because they continue to get debunked.

Tell me what was inaccurate in the NYT exhaustive study of every Tucker show. Go ahead and debunk. My guess is that you haven't even started reading the story.

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 the demonizations of white conservatives as one monolithic group on liberal networks while dismissing reverse racism which selectively and purposely are pushed to the masses or not.

Surely white conservatives are the most discriminated-against group of Americans. They live in fear of posting on social media (or on JT), spouting falsehoods on the most watched cable channel in the US, dining at the Red Hen, or being arrested for defecating in the capitol in the process of trying to subvert democracy. Poor white conservatives!

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The legacy behind the strict California gun laws is that they were an attempt to disarm the Black Panthers who had marched up to the State Capitol.

That is a fact and I am old enough to remember it.

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Not to be funny or anything, but can't we all just get along?

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Which has happened twice since 2015 according to the article.

That is not what the article says. It mentions one other shooting in 2015, but it certainly doesn't say it's only happened twice since 2015.

Is this the “replacement theory” people are talking about??

That AND the insinuation that whites are deliberating being replaced by someone (usually Jews), by minority groups. That's the "great replacement theory."

Folks like me who are Caucasian, of European descent, for the first time in 2017 we’ll be in an absolute minority in the USA, absolute minority. Fewer than 50% of the people in America from then and on will be white European stock.”

If you're going to quote people, it'd be helpful if you provided a link or some context. Biden mentioning that whites are becoming the minority isn't "replacement theory," it's a fact. Alleging a conspiracy where some group of people people is intentionally replacing white people with minorities, THAT is "the replacement theory."

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Sadly unsurprising the usuals want to talk about anything other than the tragedy. 

Then the usual suspects should focus on this guy and not a few television pundits on one side and excusing the other.

Broken people defending a broken country.

Amen

Tell me what was inaccurate in the NYT exhaustive study of every Tucker show.

All of it

My guess is that you haven't even started reading the story.

I always do

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This is an idea that has been increasingly normalized by prominent right wing media personalities, most notably the late Rush Limbaugh and now Steve Brannon, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram and other Fox friends. These racist ideologies had been in decline until revived by these opportunistic schmucks.

I'm old enough to have grown up with black and white TV, where there were only 13 possible channels and the TV stations all signed off at Midnight and didn't come back on until 6:00 am and pretty much all my adult life I have heard white males speaking in a low voice about "the coming race war". Racism is as American as apple pie. It's part of the fabric of the country. Whites have been killing blacks for no other reason than they are black for centuries and sadly it probably won't stop in my lifetime. Instead racial and religious violence seems to be accelerating.

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My guess is that you haven't even started reading the story.

Unless you have a subscription to the New York Times the story is not available to read. Sad but true.

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Surely white conservatives are the most discriminated-against group of Americans.

Let’s be specific: White Conservatives even though minorities in the largest cities suffer under the richest White controlled cities.

They live in fear of posting on social media (or on JT),

Not a single one.

spouting falsehoods on the most watched cable channel in the US, dining at the Red Hen,

Debunked

or being arrested for defecating in the capitol in the process of trying to subvert democracy. Poor white conservatives!

Hmmm…so left white liberals think they can silence one group by any means by trying (in vain) to silencing them. My grandparents used to call something like that fascism.

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The legacy behind the strict California gun laws is that they were an attempt to disarm the Black Panthers who had marched up to the State Capitol.

That is a fact and I am old enough to remember it.

Desert Tortoise,

The song remains the same.

"Nonetheless, the federal government’s case against Grandmaster Jay follows a longstanding pattern of clampdowns on Black Americans who arm themselves. From slave uprisings in the 1800s to the Black Panthers in the 1960s to NFAC in 2020, the game plan is always the same, said Arjun Sethi, an author and law professor at Georgetown University Law Center.

"“When Black folks in America pick up weapons, a different set of rules has always applied,” Sethi said. “That was the case 100 years ago; that remains the case today.”"

www.thetrace.org/2021/10/nfac-black-militia-grandmaster-jay-prosecution/

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--Tell me what was inaccurate in the NYT exhaustive study of every Tucker show. 

All of it

You mean didn't say any of the things that are reported?

Easy out.

--My guess is that you haven't even started reading the story.

I always do

So you subscribe to the NYT. Glad you support fine journalism.

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“Folks like me who are Caucasian, of European descent, for the first time in 2017 we’ll be in an absolute minority in the USA, absolute minority. Fewer than 50% of the people in America from then and on will be white European stock.”

My question for everyone is, why does this bother anyone? Who cares? Seriously, who cares? Is the color of your skin really that important to you? You have nothing else to offer the world but the color of your skin? The world changes. Adapt or get left behind. I'm old and white and it doesn't bother me in the least. My wife isn't white. My boy is mixed race. Big deal.

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You mean didn't say any of the things that are reported?

Easy out.

Absolutely not. I know it’s easy to point to one side and leave out the other for politically motivated conservative assaults, sadly not working.

So you subscribe to the NYT.

As much as you Watch Fox News

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At this point, Tucker Carlson is the right-wingers’ Anwar Al-Awlaki, but with a less drone-able complexion.

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White Conservatives even though minorities in the largest cities suffer under the richest White controlled cities.

If we acknowledge that White conservatives are the truly oppressed in America by CRT, gun laws and woke culture, this might not have happened.

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 Alleging a conspiracy where some group of people people is intentionally replacing white people with minorities,

the comment was made in Biden's glee that minority immigrants are taking over America. He was happy about that, because minorities voted Democrat.

Oh so you are hung up on the "intentionally" part to say it isnt accurate, I see.

That is not what the article says. It mentions one other shooting in 2015, but it certainly doesn't say it's only happened twice since 2015.

Then why couldnt the article give any other examples then and had to move on to non related shootings? Can you give any other examples of mass shootings by whites that "intentionally" targeted Blacks because of their race?

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My question for everyone is, why does this bother anyone? Who cares? Seriously, who cares?

This is understandable given how minorities are treated in the US.

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Don't drag the UK into the same bracket as US lunacy!!

Why? Americans learned it all from you Brits. Northern Ireland anyone? How about the brutality of King George's Redcoats? Thugs. The Brits were among the most racist and violent colonizers in history. Brits brought slavery to North America and poisoned the place as a result. Brits brutalized Africa and set the stage for Apartheid. Brits brutalized and colonized China, force opium on them and never allowed even Hong Kong to have a semblance of democratic self representation. The mess in the Middle East is a result of the crummy way the Brits and French redrew the map after WWI and the various corrupt kings they installed. And don't forget that Brexit was motivated by English racism. The infamous "Breaking Point" poster says all there is to say about the true motive for Brexit. No, sadly America learned its racism and violence from the Brits.

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It's going to be impossible to solve racist shootings if conservatives refuse to deal with the situation at hand.

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It's going to be impossible to solve racist shootings if refuse to deal with the situation at hand and make it a one-sided issue.

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My question for everyone is, why does this bother anyone? Who cares? Seriously, who cares? Is the color of your skin really that important to you? You have nothing else to offer the world but the color of your skin? The world changes. Adapt or get left behind. I'm old and white and it doesn't bother me in the least. My wife isn't white. My boy is mixed race. Big deal.

I agree this shouldn't bother anyone. The problem, though, is people are attempting to use this to either downplay or rationalize the "replacement theory"; "See, Biden is a proponent of it too " This, of course, is inaccurate, and completely ignores the greater context of the comment. This is exactly what the right did with Biden's comments on Ukraine and withholding funding as VP.

By the way, does anyone know who originally cut the clip being referenced here? Tucker Carlson. Yeah, the same Tucker Carlson mentioned in the shooter's manifesto. We really have come full circle. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/24/how-tucker-carlson-twisted-2015-clip-biden-into-conspiracy-theory/

Here's the full quote:

*An unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop. Folks like me who were Caucasian, of European descent for the first time in 2017 will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50 percent of the people in America from then and on will be White European stock.* That’s not a bad thing. That’s as a source of our strength.”

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So America is becoming less "white" over time. This is factually happening (backed up by US government data). So white people are being replaced in the population by non whites, this is true.

So the entire faux outrage is that some people claim this is being done intentionally? Because absent his joy that this is happening (for politics and virtue signaling), Biden's statement sounds exactly like the factual parts of the "replacement theory" that liberals are complaining about.

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Bass: make it a one-sided issue

How so?

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@N.Knight

It’s wrong to suppress facts.

I can bring any ‘facts’ into the debate that I want.

But I want to know WHY the issue of violence is not being tackled.

A disproportionate number of black people are being killed and killing and being tried for homicide at a much higher rate than other races.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1

Why?

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An unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop. 

that sure sounds "intentional"

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How so?

Racism falls on both sides of the fence, it’s not about political ideology when someone dies, but if liberals want to make it about white conservative and guns, then white conservatives can point to white liberals for minority social and economic fail for decades. Remember, the shooter was a white liberal socialist racist, talk about an oxymoron.

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Yeah, the same Tucker Carlson mentioned in the shooter's manifesto.

Yeah quite odd that an ex communist but now moderate leftist would be voicing support for supposed viewpoints of Tucker Carlson.

Its almost like someone else wrote parts of the manifesto to get all the key talking points in there.

Too bad we arent allowed to actually see the manifesto to know what is actually in it. How do you know that Tucker was mentioned and what was said about him exactly?

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Bass: but if liberals want to make it about white conservative and guns

They're the biggest terrorist threat to America. We can't talk about it directly without distractions designed to make you feel better?

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let me guess, MSNBC or CNN (who both have vested interests in getting Tucker off the air, due to his #1 ratings) told you all about it?

Maybe if one of those "news" competitors could get him off the air, they could beat Sponge Bob reruns in the ratings?

So Dylan Roof in 2015 and 2 days ago. Any others in the last decade? compared with thousands of shootings of Blacks that dont fit this narrative that are totally ignored.

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Another day, another massacre … this has got to stop!

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So America is becoming less "white" over time. This is factually happening (backed up by US government data). So white people are being replaced in the population by non whites, this is true.

So again I have to ask, why is this important to anybody? Why are their media personalities and not just Tucker Carlson talking about this as if it is a bad thing? Why are people engaging in violence because of this such as this shooter in Buffalo or the mob in Charlottesville? Is your identity, is your self worth tied to the color of your skin? If it is then you are the one with the problem and need to examine what is really important in life.

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So the entire faux outrage is that some people claim this is being done intentionally? Because absent his joy that this is happening (for politics and virtue signaling), Biden's statement sounds exactly like the factual parts of the "replacement theory" that liberals are complaining about.

Not only that. The implication behind the "replacement theory" is that it is somehow bad for the country. Is it? Joe Biden and I certainly disagree.

Yeah quite odd that an ex communist but now moderate leftist would be voicing support for supposed viewpoints of Tucker Carlson.

This isn't true, and even if it were, that isn't why he murdered a bunch of African Americans as they shopped.

So Dylan Roof in 2015 and 2 days ago. Any others in the last decade? compared with thousands of shootings of Blacks

Yes. There are multiple shootings targeting minority groups mentioned in the article.

that dont fit this narrative that are totally ignored*

No one disputes Blacks people are disproportionately the victim of shootings, and commit more gun crimes. Where we disagree is the essentialization. I believe this is largely because of racism and socio-economic reasons, rightists, like the shooter here, don't.

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We can't solve anything if conservatives insist on avoiding the issue or making themselves the victim.

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Tough issue because it doesn't fall easily into any category. This shooter was a racist, environmentalist, populist, anti-corporatist, self described left-of-center, lunatic. Sometimes crazy is just crazy. There is no way to piece together a coherent narrative in what they do.

The fact is that murder in the US is generally not inter-racial. That is, black murderers generally kill black people, white murderers generally kill white people, and so on. When it DOES cross the race barrier, the statistics show that blacks kill whites more than the other way around.

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bass4funk: "Don’t forget the demonizations of white conservatives as one monolithic group on liberal networks while dismissing reverse racism which selectively and purposely are pushed to the masses or not."

That's right, bass, it's the whites who are the victims here. Never mind yesterday you jumped on and said you were "not going to jump to conclusions" as to the race of shooter and victims, then when it was proven you IMMEDIATELY began defending the man and saying it should not be an issue of race, when it absolutely IS exactly that reason the shooter did what he did. You guys bend over backwards to protect racists and bigots, then bend over backwards again to blame everyone BUT the people and forces responsible. We all know that had it been a Muslim what you'd be saying.

It's time to call white supremacy what it is: terrorism. Make laws against any and all white supremacist groups and put them all on terror watch lists. Do not sell guns to anyone who has ties to any of said groups, past or present. But that won't happen because it would upset those who so strongly suffer inferiority complexes and rant about "replacement" and what not. The poor little white folks, right bass?

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What the mainstream media won't tell you and will refuse to discuss is that the perpetrator had the Black Sun emblem. Now what is the Black Sun emblem, you may well ask. All I can say to America is that if you play with fire, expect to get burnt.

May the victims rest in peace.

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This shooter was a racist, environmentalist, populist, anti-corporatist, self described left-of-center, lunatic.

I kinda don’t care what the murdering racist thought about policy matters. That somewhat obscures the main issue which is how and why someone so young was both able to be radicalized like this and also how he was so easily able to ruin untold numbers of lives. An 18-year old’s thoughts on corporate tax rates don’t really interest me.

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"Tough issue because it doesn't fall easily into any category. This shooter was a racist, environmentalist, populist, anti-corporatist, self described left-of-center, lunatic. "

Fact.

And he also detests FOX, Tucker Carlson, and the other conservatives who the media have been trying to blame for this atrocity.

He's a self-described white-supremacist, anti-Semite, "Green-National-Socialist" (NAZI).

And let's also not forget that he was detained a year ago by the FBI for threatening an act of violence at a high school, but he was released for mental treatment. Another person on the FBI watchlist who was not watched.

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And let's also not forget that he was detained a year ago by the FBI for threatening an act of violence at a high school, but he was released for mental treatment. Another person on the FBI watchlist who was not watched.

I don't think that's entirely true. He was definitely investigated by state police, who took him in for a mental health evaluation. The findings of the evaluation haven't been released. If I'm wrong, please link.

But I agree that anyone with a history of violent threats who has been taken into custody under a mental health law should not be able to pass a background check easily and then purchase a shotgun, semi-automatic rifle and high capacity magazines.

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This isn't true, and even if it were,

that is what his manifesto supposedly said. The one with the Azov Black Sun on the front page of it.

Moderate leftist. so why would he be on Team Tucker?

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Yes. There are multiple shootings targeting minority groups mentioned in the article.

goalpost move.

The statement was racial mass shootings of Blacks by Whites based on their skin color/race.

Dylan Roof and 2 days ago. thats pretty much it, despite you saying no.

There are so few that Homeland Security couldnt name even one case when asked to prove the "white domestic terrorism" narrative.

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That's right, Black. No evidence at all to support the rise of right-wing terrorism in the US.

It's all just made up stuff and another example of how the system holds down the white man. Go ahead and put yourself at the front of the victim line for this story.

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 Go ahead and put yourself at the front of the victim line for this story.

are you assuming my race and gender? Thankfully its not about me at all,

Its about that you have no cases to prove the so called right wing terrorism. The only one you had was the Whitmer kidnapping where they were found not guilty because the FBI actually set it all up.

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That's right, bass, it's the whites who are the victims here.

Yes, and then he is trying to to buy a nation further and use to further fight us, yes it is, and it should not be like that. If you hit the manifesto of this individual, it was a bunch of rambling garbage, the man is already in the system, are aware of his racial bias and threats, he was known as a threat by the police and yes no one did anything and everyone ignored all the red flags that were there, so this incident could have been prevented.

Never mind yesterday you jumped on and said you were "not going to jump to conclusions" as to the race of shooter and victims,

I didn’t and still don’t. I am jumping on certain individuals that want to make it a white conservative issue only, I have a fundamental problem with that

You guys bend over backwards to protect racists and bigots,

I absolutely do not, but politically it goes both ways and both sides, that much is partially true for some.

Again, both sides are to blame for this.

We all know that had it been a Muslim what you'd be saying. 

With all due respect, you have no idea what I would think or say, none whatsoever.

It's time to call white supremacy what it is: terrorism.

Yes and all forms of terrorism, don’t just stop there.

Make laws against any and all white supremacist groups and put them all on terror watch lists. Do not sell guns to anyone who has ties to any of said groups, past or present

Does that include and apply to black terrorists as well?

But that won't happen because it would upset those who so strongly suffer inferiority complexes and rant about "replacement" and what not. The poor little white folks, right bass?

Everyone suffers, I denounce all forms of racism and terrorism be it from white, black or anyone else. I’m not going to do what the media is doing and just jump on one race and denouncing others in regards to hate. We are all in this and by the way, no one is talking about the families of the victims? Maybe they should and focus less on the shooter.

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It's all just made up stuff and another example of how the system holds down the white man. Go ahead and put yourself at the front of the victim line for this story.

Who's more likely to gun you down in the street, a black man or a white man?

I'll wait.

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Blacklabel,

The statement was racial mass shootings of Blacks by Whites based on their skin color/race.

Dylan Roof and 2 days ago. thats pretty much it, despite you saying no.

There are so few that Homeland Security couldnt name even one case when asked to prove the "white domestic terrorism" narrative.

The article is about targeted violence. You seem to be using the 'no true Scotsman' gambit to exclude the many examples of targeted violence given in the article. "But there are few white on black" attacks. To try to deflect from the problem of targeted violence by excluding entire categories of it is pretty dishonest.

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A mockery of democracy that have not been able to overcome the end of the civil war in 1865..

Third world !!..

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Bass, should we ban any talk of racism, white supremacy, or white replacement theory to reduce your feelings of victimization?

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And guys, we know you're eventually going to convince yourself that the bigger issue is liberal hypocrisy as you swat away the murders, so if we could just fast forward to that we can probably wrap this up.

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Pukey2 09:42 am JST

What the mainstream media won't tell you and will refuse to discuss is that the perpetrator had the Black Sun emblem. Now what is the Black Sun emblem, you may well ask. All I can say to America is that if you play with fire, expect to get burnt.

May the victims rest in peace.

Al Qaeda, ISIS, Ukraine neo-Nazis, they just never learn. RIP to the victims.

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latest example of targeted racial violence

Yes, you bring up examples but why not bring up the Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre or NYC subway shooting or the many innercity attacks on Asian people? Is "hate crime" defined only by which skin color pulls the trigger?

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To try to deflect from the problem of targeted violence by excluding entire categories of it is pretty dishonest.

The poster I was replying to had said this:

We’re talking about the deliberate targeting of black people for their race, 

so I asked for examples and was given none. Deliberate targeting of black people for their race. Nothing but deflection since.

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You can no longer go safe out on the street if you are Black, Asian, Latino, Muslim, LGBT, you will be in constant danger, you cannot even go to church in peace because some can kill you in a shooting...

I do not understand what is the "freedom" that they boast so much, it does not exist..

What a dangerous place to live..

Third world !!..

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should we ban any talk of racism, white supremacy, or white replacement theory to reduce your feelings of victimization?

No, it’s ts not about victimization, absolutely not, it’s about honesty and account ability and the media is not honest when it comes to race. If you have a white radical that goes on the rampage and starts killing people, their race is known within a matter of minutes, if it’s black or anyone else, then we have to wait for a couple hours or a day, and the person is a suspect of interest and the media is trying to fumble around how they’re going to tell the story when is somebody that is not white what to call it. We should talk about it hat as much as we can. And if you really wanna be honest about crime and murder and race, who is more likely to get shot on the street and be killed? Is it whites or blacks? And who is doing most of the shooting? Have you been watching the news lately, if not you need to you might be surprised at the findings. The innocent young Black people and other minorities that are being shot and killed on a daily basis, those are also victims and no one is talking about them, no one! Those are the forgotten victims.

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The history of the United States is filled with white supremacist violence, starting from even before its official origins.

It is true that British colonialism was filled with race-based violence; the cultural remnants still unfortunately exist.

In Buffalo, like many similar recent incidents, racism is not the core cause, but mental illness is.

Liberals want to immediately make this out to be about racism, or a gun issue, or both, but they ignore the true issue.

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Blacklabel,

Fair enough, but in an earlier post you said:

There are so few of these racial based “whites shooting blacks” type shootings that halfway through the article they had to change the subject to religion and a Muslim shooting at a gay club.

In response to:

Gunmen with biases against religion and sexual orientation have also carried out targeted violence

In case you didn't know, news articles generally follow an inverted pyramid format. Start with the most critical information (this and other racially motivated attacks) and follow with supporting information (other targeted attacks).

It's basic journalism.

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“Folks like me who are Caucasian, of European descent, for the first time in 2017 we’ll be in an absolute minority in the USA, absolute minority. Fewer than 50% of the people in America from then and on will be white European stock.”

Surely people of ‘white European stock’ [sigh]* were ‘in an absolute minority’ in America the 15th century and for some time thereafter (until they began to outnumber the Native American Indians whose lands they stole etc.)?

TT

anyone who uses the word ‘stock’ in that context in 2022 might as well wear a big badge saying ‘racist’
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“psaki says Biden has NO plans to visit Waukesha after the deadly Christmas parade attack 'at this time' because sending the president to a community 'requires a lot of assets' “

Yet….getting to Buffalo within 48 hours. Totally free schedule.

priorities. Election cycle and losing.

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The first time I experienced racism against me in the form of open hatred because of the color of my skin was at college in the USA. Black people, openly hostile before I had even opened my mouth.

I had not experienced that in East Africa, where people’s eyes were friendly.

There’s history there, and it will take time to wash clean.

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inverted pyramid format.

The “pyramid” never made it to any racial attacks where minorities were the attackers not the victims.

despite 2 recent racist attack examples. Could have been used for rather than the last decade examples in the article.

yes that’s journalism. Biased leftist journalism.

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The Buffalo shooter is a Trump person, just like Patrick Crusius. They are fighters for the Trump/Tucker/FOX doctrine. This involves replacement theory that Tucker always talks about. Same with Hannity and Rush. Also, Alex Jones

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Bass, how has the media been dishonest? A white man wrote a manifesto about WRT then murdered black people.

You're telling me that if Antifa did that you'd be here listing out right-wing violence to balance the scale?

Ha.

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The “pyramid” never made it to any racial attacks where minorities were the attackers not the victims.

"Gunmen with biases against religion and sexual orientation have also carried out targeted violence: the shootings at a San Diego synagogue in 2019 and a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in 2016."

That shooter was Muslim. (although the victims were a minority too, so according to you it doesn't count, I guess)

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how has the media been dishonest?

Rhetorical question??

A white man wrote a manifesto about WRT then murdered black people.

Yes

You're telling me that if Antifa did that you'd be here listing out right-wing violence to balance the scale?

No, so m saying don’t make this about white conservatives, Trump voters or Fox News, that’s a ludicrous emotional dodge.

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Bass: don’t make this about white conservatives, Trump voters or Fox News, that’s a ludicrous emotional dodge.

I don't think so at all, especially when the messaging sounds similar to the shooter's.

If you want to help get rid of the image of the GOP and white supremacists then encourage your members to stop associating with them and speaking at their conferences.

Agreed?

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