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Bush vows to take 'message of freedom' to Beijing

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U.S. President George W Bush, in a move likely to anger China, met with five Chinese dissidents here on Tuesday and told them he would take a "message of freedom" to next month's Olympic Games in Beijing.

"President Bush met with five Chinese freedom activists to discuss his concerns about human rights in China," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said in a statement.

"The president assured them that he will carry the message of freedom as he travels to Beijing for the games, just as he has regularly made this a priority in all of his meetings with Chinese officials," she said.

Perino said Bush met at the White House residence with Harry Wu, Wei Jingsheng, Rebiya Kadeer, Sasha Gong and Bob Fu.

"He told the activists that engagement with Chinese leaders gives him an opportunity to make the United States' position clear -- human rights and religious freedom should not be denied to anyone," she said.

"The president asked them about their personal experiences in their peaceful efforts to press for more freedom in China," she said.

Perino said the five "welcomed the president's strong commitment to human rights and religious freedom and urged him to continue to deliver that message not only to the Chinese leadership but also to all the people of China."

The White House said Bush also "dropped by" a meeting on Tuesday between his National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and visiting Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi.

"The president reviewed current bilateral relations with the foreign minister; as well as his desire to see a successful Olympics, and noted that this presents the Chinese with an opportunity to demonstrate compassion on human rights and freedom," Perino said.

Bush will attend the Aug 8 opening ceremonies of the games, having rejected human rights activists' appeals for him to boycott the gala in protest over China's overall rights record, including a crackdown in Tibet in March.

Bush has walked a diplomatic tightrope over the Olympics, repeatedly insisting the games are not a political venue while recently stepping up his public criticism of Beijing's rights record.

Harry Wu spent nearly 20 years in Chinese labor camps and is now a human rights activist living in the United States. He has testified before the U.S. Congress on the use of slave labor in China.

Wei Jingsheng served 18 years in prison in China because of his writings against the communist authorities and has lived in the United States since 1997.

Rebiya Kadeer is a leader of the Uighur community, the largest and overwhelmingly Muslim ethnic group in the Xinjiang region, who joined her US-based husband in 2005 after six years in a Chinese prison.

Sasha Gong is a scholar and writer who has worked as a broadcaster with Radio Free Asia.

Bob Fu is a former leader of the student democracy movement in Beijing. He was jailed briefly before fleeing China in the 1990s and is now a human rights activist in the United States.

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betzee , are you from China, or just love the country. Any issue on China you take the China side even thoughh it is a country controlled by suppression of its people.. I do not care about its syle economy because the reason being is the ability to build its power it has always sacrficed all for to get,should I mention 10's of millions in the early 60's and 10's of thousands today that do not obide or tag along on the rule by suppression that end up in political reform camps,house arrests, and what ever.. this is the easy way for them to finally see the gains in world power and domination they have always dreamed of aquiring but the challenge is to the stability of their control on power within the country as they are forced on issues to continue their gains of being a world power which is why reports state the heavier clamp down on social freedoms to contain their grip of power.

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You seem to prefer imposing political correctness to stifle the debate, however.

...which is a good indication of just how enclosed your bubble is, Betzee. You just can't take criticism of the laogai camps or Maoism without feeling "stifled"...

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I'm simply an observer to what's going on in China. And I accept that all ideas, however offensive they may be to the sensibilities of others, have a right to a fair hearing. You seem to prefer imposing political correctness to stifle the debate, however.

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Clearly, it was a mistake for the West to engage China in the first place and assist provincial governments in their local oppression, though post-Cultural Revolution it probably seemed like a good idea at the time. Needless to say, your Great Leap Forward solution to all of China's ills is a bit creepy...

So uncannily similar was it to a book which came out the same year by Robert Kaplan, who'd traveled extensively in Africa and Central Asia, entitled The Coming Anarchy which details "how scarcity, crime, overpopulation, tribalism, and disease are rapidly destroying the social fabric of our planet" that I keep them next to each other on my bookshelf.

I don't see your Ralph Nader participating in the debate of how "scarcity, crime, overpopulation [here comes that support for state-coerced late-term abortions!], tribalism, and disease are rapidly destroying the social fabric of our planet"...should Mr. Nader be arrested and have his organs extracted for some sick Canadian somewhere?

And it was his naturalized citizen neighbors in Silicon Valley, home to many educated immigrants who hail from all over the world who, as he was feted as a freedom fighter by the American media, quietly questioned whether it was appropriate for someone to become a US citizen when his commitment was clearly to another country.

Sorry Betzee, you'll have to provide us the link to your Salon Media source on this one.

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I'm not sure how aware you are of the lively intellectual debate going on inside China about the future of their country. In late 1994 a book entitled Looking at China Through the Third Eye was published in Beijing. It had a short shelf life because it painted a bleak portrait of the future owing to the economic reforms which had created "volcanic" forces of disparity and surplus labor that could explode in rebellion. (It's written in a Marxist style since the author was trained to interpret the world that way). One can certainly find fault with it while acknowledging it was a refreshing read.

So uncannily similar was it to a book which came out the same year by Robert Kaplan, who'd traveled extensively in Africa and Central Asia, entitled The Coming Anarchy which details "how scarcity, crime, overpopulation, tribalism, and disease are rapidly destroying the social fabric of our planet" that I keep them next to each other on my bookshelf.

This is not a debate which people like Harry Wu participate in; it's mainland Chinese who view him as arrogant. And it was his naturalized citizen neighbors in Silicon Valley, home to many educated immigrants who hail from all over the world who, as he was feted as a freedom fighter by the American media, quietly questioned whether it was appropriate for someone to become a US citizen when his commitment was clearly to another country.

Simply to respond "Well he's doing all this great work so it's OK" would not have been a satisfactory answer to them, taxpayers who see themselves footing the bill for all the diplomatic time and energy spent to get him out.

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It fact it was other naturalized citizens who wondered whether becoming an American citizen was anything more than a get out of jail card free to Harry Wu (who's widely viewed as an egomaniac within China).

With regards to the PRC's Laogai/education-through-labor system, I share Harry Wu's (and US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's) "narcissism". Also, if Chinese Americans truly feel this way about Harry Wu, perhaps it's not Mr. Wu who's still loyal to the PRC as the "mother country".

You don't follow trends in China too well do you? They've been moving toward free-market authoritarianism for quite a few years now.

Quite right- the PRC's Poliburo has been "moving toward [semi-]free-market authoritarianism for quite a few years now." And your point is...?

They are grappling with some of the same questions our founding fathers did. Do you have a problem with that?

Just that your analogy is off a bit- clearly, the people who are "grappling with some of the same questions your Founding Fathers (TM) did" are none other than the 1979 Iranian Revolutionaries and Al Qaeda in Iraq.

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How good of you to remind people of the ultimate goal of the International Left- an appointed Politburo.

You don't follow trends in China too well do you? They've been moving toward free-market authoritarianism for quite a few years now.

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Because tweaking American immigration policy is more important than say, condemning organ extraction from live prisoners in slave labour camps.

It fact it was other naturalized citizens who wondered whether becoming an American citizen was anything more than a get out of jail card free to Harry Wu (who's widely viewed as an egomaniac within China).

The Chinese have a much more sophisticated understanding of democracy than they did in 1989. They look at leaders like Hugo Chavez who have come to power via the ballot box and say, "No way, Jose." They are grappling with some of the same questions our founding fathers did. Do you have a problem with that?

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As for Harry Wu, his imprisonment in China in 1998 caused a reassessment within the community where he lives (Silicon Valley) over our policy of allowing anyone to apply for a US passport after five years of permanent residence.

Because tweaking American immigration policy is more important than say, condemning organ extraction from live prisoners in slave labour camps.

The Chinese are well aware democracies typically run deficits since elected officials need to spend lavishly on their constituents to get reelected.

...but apparently unaware of the need for basic infrastructure, clean drinking water, and (my personal favorite) the introduction of building codes for school buildings.

It's an uphill battle for those who, like, tell the voters the truth...

Because you just know that, like, China's ruling CCP is totally overflowing with "truthiness"...

like the infamous "bridge to nowhere," an earmark that got through the US Congress.

Oh, you mean that bridge in Alaska that leads to the only airport in the region? Nope, don't need that.

Some Chinese have looked at the British model where the House of Lords is appointed. While that may sound elitist

(because it is- a bit),

like our founding fathers they don't trust the common man to make good choices at the ballot box.

So let's go beyond the Electoral College for presidential elections and make a full transition to the Middle Ages. How good of you to remind people of the ultimate goal of the International Left- an appointed Politburo.

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Betzee, not all run deficits, just the liars and decietful ones that take advantage of their position and find themselves in a position to get favors and more favors (money) for their friends and bussiness partners and forgetting what they were doing there in the first place and throwing aside national interests.

The Chinese were looking at Taiwan when they saw the link. Under authoritarian rule there was minimal spending on social services (and a huge outlay on national defense which was shrouded in secrecy).

Democratization meant a lot of new funding for non-military needs. Public investment in Taiwan shot up. It was aimed not at the national good but bringing money into the district, like the infamous "bridge to nowhere," an earmark that got through the US Congress.

Of course non-democracies can run up huge debt too (and many have). But it's an occupational hazard of democracies, despite public oversight, given the reelection imperatives of those who serve.

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I may be one voice in the wind, but I have friends in the Asia Pacific. You know, they say, "the pen (keyboard) is mightier than the sword".

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I'm in a strange position, but what does, “The president assured them that he will carry the message of freedom", mean? The US have warrant less wiretaps, NSA's Echelon, censorship squads, large trucks filled w/ state of the art electronic transmitters, etc.... What is "freedom and democracy" if the definition set forth in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights is not the Supreme law? Given what I have gone through, "freedom and democracy" seems to be used like a sales campaign. It is not being practiced, but it's a great argument.

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The Chinese are well aware democracies typically run deficits since elected officials need to spend lavishly on their constituents to get reelected. It's an uphill battle for those who, like, tell the voters the truth...

These guys are empowered by themselves and do not see the public as the source of the future, only the source of carrying out these elite wishes that do not want to let go of their hold of power and the hold over their servents..

This is why China is seen as so different than developed countries. Also why China can not be trusted because they have no checks and balances like democracies. They do as the few in power wants to do, or they don;t do as they promise. Their is nothing there for them to pay any consequences for their lies, deciet, and broken promises. So it is a country that can not be trusted.They are of a government controlled society.

That is where human rights and freedom comes into play, when the people are allowed to assemble and voice their views and opposition, which China lacks as a society.

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Betzee, not all run deficits, just the liars and decietful ones that take advantage of their position and find themselves in a position to get favors and more favors (money) for their friends and bussiness partners and forgetting what they were doing there in the first place and throwing aside national interests.

Just as Clinton cleaned up the years of the Bushes and Reagan's trillion dollar deficits. It can be again. Not all are as you describe.

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China has always been forced to change anything and China will have to be forced on this issue as well by first off getting out of hock with them ,

The Chinese are well aware democracies typically run deficits since elected officials need to spend lavishly on their constituents to get reelected. It's an uphill battle for those who, like, tell the voters the truth...

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Maybe Pres. Bush needs to step aside and let Senator Obama continue his world tour, he could woo Red China.

On Wednesday Senator Obama said he realized "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America..." I think Red China needs the opportunity to partake in this. I hate to think of how they'll react if they're left out of the revolution it looks like we are coming to.

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Some Chinese have looked at the British model where the House of Lords is appointed. While that may sound elitist, like our founding fathers they don't trust the common man to make good choices at the ballot box.

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China. please give your people rights and power.. Yeah right...

China has always been forced to change anything and China will have to be forced on this issue as well by first off getting out of hock with them , then using trade or using no trade with them.. We are very well seeing not to be able to take their word on anything. This is thrown in our face over and over again, but our stupid politicians seem to be blind to those facts.. Maybe money has too much incentive for the rich that are in control, but hopefully here in the US the people will rise to the occasion and force these idiots in public office to stop putting their own welfare in front of the people of their country's welfare. What a pipe dream huh?

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Of course, if the Chinese choose the U.S. Constitution they'll also need to shut down judicial activism through the built-in checks and balances as well. I didn't want to leave out credit (or shall I say blame) where it's due.

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How to set up a system that minimizes such possibilities is a question which has attracted a lot of attention inside China.

They should seriously consider the U.S. Constitution - still the greatest American export. Maybe they'll even be smart enough to limit the likes of FDR, LBJ, and GWB to their constitutional powers. At least they'll have hind-sight of what to look out for.

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China wants to remain a free country that is not under the control of the Rockefeller et. al. oligarchy. Japan has already sold out. Check out Benjamin Fulford on youtube and listen to his story.

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Today's game is called "name those other groups similar to Hezbollah that 'prevailed at the ballot box'" (and I do mean one not run by A.C.O.R.N.). . .

You're missing the point. Democracy is composed of essentially two elements; one being popular sovereignty reflected in elections which are a mechanism to select leaders. The other is liberty, or freedom, comprised of the right to own property, the right to chose one's religion and political affiliation without fear of official discrimination.

The problem is when you hold elections in the absence of liberty you can end up with Hezbollah, Hamas or al-Sadr coming to power. And the resulting government can easily morph into a form of tyranny.

Since GWB has neither defined what he means by "freedom" nor cited any passages in the Bible to support his contention that "it's the Almighty's wish every man, woman, and child live in freedom" it's unclear what he has in mind.

But the Chinese have become much more cautious in promoting democracy in recent years. They realize campaigns can be based on fear mongering and demogogues can also come to power. How to set up a system that minimizes such possibilities is a question which has attracted a lot of attention inside China.

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This message just shows the Lib doubters, that Bush is so concerned about spreading peace to the world, that he is prepared to upset the "mighty" China, to spread the good word.

A true statesman, devoted to world peace.

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For those who proclaim their love and loyalty to George W. Bush, you can find his list of accomplishments here: www.uruknet.info?p=40906 So, by all means continue to tell us what a wonderful beacon of light, hope and liberty he is. “He told the activists that engagement with Chinese leaders gives him an opportunity to make the United States’ position clear—human rights and religious freedom should not be denied to anyone.” America the beautiful behind its knight in shining armor.

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I'm sure all those senators, including Obama, voted to extend the warrentless taps on internet communications, etc. Which is exactly what China does. One might argue that the outcome of being disliked by the Chinese government is different than being disliked by the US government but history proves that the definitions of "friend" and "enemy" are easly changed.

In this respect Bush in no more a leader in human rights or freedom of speech than the Chinese are. He's more of a "my way or the highway" kind of guy.

As far as "no personal interest" is concerned; when Bush and Cheney give up their interest in oil companies let me know. But that's a different topic.

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Guess what I just read? Some Republicans Senators are expressing outrage that international visitors coming to Beijing to attend the Olympics will be subjected to surveillance which includes, now is everyone sitting down, listening and reading private communications!!!! Man, what an indignity for someone coming from a free society.

In fact Senators Brownback et al should be aware that entrepreneurs in the security device field see both governments as buyers for their products.

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ca1ic0cat; Bush is a leader in human reights and freedom of speech. He does not have any similarities ti the Chinese regime. He is a god fearing guy, who does his best for his nation, for no personal benefit.

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I doubt he's going to lead a protest in the square or start a blog about civil rights. Still, if the Chinese would like to re-educate him? What, W is using internet spying in the USA? But W supports civil rights. Just ask any "combatant" locked up in Gitmo.

I guess he's not much different than the Chinese when it comes to rights. They should all have a marvelous time together.

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with respect to our efforts to promote democratization in China is that we're far better off dealing with this government than what a democratic election might yield.

It should be noted that Betzee's PRC itself has been pushing uber-nationalism ever since Maoism collapsed, so I don't see how Han Chinese could get any nastier than they are now under a potential democratic system- besides, in a true democracy the ruling party's worst enemy is not any foreign power, but the "loyal oposition" that is always waiting in the wings should the ruling party screw up.

Of course we would have the Tibet issue even in a democratic Chinese state, but that government might not stoop to arresting Chinese lawyers who offer pro bono help to Tibetan dissidents and would at least provide a bare minimum of civil rights, cultural preservation and clean drinking water to its Han Chinese majority.

GWB seems to have forgotten how awkward it was for him when groups like Hezbollah prevailed at the ballot box.

Today's game is called "name those other groups similar to Hezbollah that 'prevailed at the ballot box'" (and I do mean one not run by A.C.O.R.N.). . .

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Ironically, what many educated Chinese point out with respect to our efforts to promote democratization in China is that we're far better off dealing with this government than what a democratic election might yield. Imagine a government which had to represent the stridently nationalistic opinions that were expressed during the unrest in Tibet, for example.

GWB seems to have forgotten how awkward it was for him when groups like Hezbollah prevailed at the ballot box.

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He'd dod a better job of it by staying home and keeping all the US Athletes at home, too....

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What a difficult job, or is it? Freedom in China may not be as true a message as terrorist restraint, you will see.

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human rights and religious freedom should not be denied to anyone

GW said this with a straight face. Minutes later he was seen laughing his rear off.

Bob Fu is a former leader of the student democracy movement in Beijing.

I am pretty sure this man know what it feels like to be persecuted for speaking ones mind. Too bad China can not take Bush seriously when he brings his message. If Bush had a better on human right maybe his word would hold more weight.

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skipthesong, thanks for the update!

That's roughly what I meant.

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He is doing his job, and doing it very well and professionally.

Amazing diplomat.

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Christ, he's only got a few months left of his disasterous tenure. Can't he just keep quiet?

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China is one of the free-est countries I have ever visited." In some cases I agree, but have you tried setting up a business there? No so free, especially if you are not one of them. Aside from the business I will say Beijing does have a lot of freedom going on. Can't speak for any other areas.

But, just a side note: "urging freedom for Hawaii and the Hawaiian people. P1ss everyone off instantly!" Apparently, you don't read too much news in the US, a Hawaiian independence group has taken over the government offices.

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Bush knows what he is doing and the positive outcome of his "message of freedom".

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Freedom? Hello?

China is one of the free-est countries I have ever visited. That's why the central government keeps trying to crack down. It's mostly out of control. You can do or say pretty much anything you like, as long as you don't put anti-govt sentiment in writing. Then they nail your asp asap.

Anyway, that kind of message would be like flying to the USA and urging freedon for Hawaii and the Hawaiian people. P1ss everyone off instantly!

Genuine autonomy for the Autonomous Regions. Now that would make more sense and has a better ring to it.

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Rebiya Kadeer is a leader of the Uighur community, the largest and overwhelmingly Muslim ethnic group in the Xinjiang region, who joined her US-based husband in 2005 after six years in a Chinese prison.

There must be some mistake. Why would a Chinese dissident who is a MUSLIM come to America FIVE years after Bill Clinton left office?????

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Hughgarse. The economy has indeed grown year on year for the last 8 years. He increases the nations wealth and spread freedom globally, well done to him i say.

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Altria; The economy has improved every year since Bush`s election.

Have you actually dialed into bloomberg in the last 8 years.. The US economy is in the worst state in 30 years...

spark another one up brutha...

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President Bush's message will surely turn some heads in China, perhaps even bar him from attending any ceremonies. Nothing will change in China until the people of China collectively rally against the Communist regime. And it still amazes me that people are attaching the deficit numbers here when it has nothing to do with the article. By the way, the deficit is entirely different from the national debt. Of course Clinton had a surplus deficit. He dedicate 720 billion dollars of our social security fund to pay for his social welfare program. His surplus was nothing but tax raises and a gross use of his power attained by Congress concerning Social Security, which is why our SS is crumbling. President Bush, on the other hand, refuses to use our SS funds. So, in a way, having halved the national debt in two years despite continuous economic fallout that has nothing to do with the central government, the deficit is pretty good news.

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Surge: "The economy has improved every year since Bush`s election.China will listen to Bush, among the heneral population he is revered as a great wise man. He talks, thay listen, you better believe it."

That must be some pipe you've got there! The economy is not only possibly in the biggest defecit in US history (after Bush sent it spiralling from Clinton's), but the unemployment rate has grown in the past year alone, the real-estate disaster and rate of poverty increase have been all on Bush's dime, the war in Iraq has cost a trillion dollars or more while social security has been cut, etc. I could go on... but even you, in your sarcistic posts, get the point.

As for China listening, they only time they tune in to hear Bush is when they are studying ESL; it's far easier to understand the English of children than of adults.

Okay, granted, they DO listen to the US more than other nations, simply because of the militaristic power and economic (despite bush's failed economy) clout the US still holds, but that's not at all saying they 'follow'. Hell, unlike in Japan they don't even HUMOUR bush by listening to his gaffes and droning speeches about 'terror', 'democracy', 'freedom' and other words he's personally mangled beyond meaning; they in fact flat out threaten the US not to be so bombastic, visit the Dalai Lama, etc. 'Listening' has various levels of meaning, my friend, and China 'listening' to bush simply means what he says goes into their ears and to that part of the brain where hearing is processed... they then use the data to form the conscious decision to not only ignore bush's demands, but to shoot back with their own rhetoric.

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Bush vows to take 'message of freedom' to Beijing

Beijing vows to post "EXIT" signs so as not to confuse bush. :D

http://publiuspundit.com/bush-door-china.jpg

Taka

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The US is the land of the free. Destination number 1 for refugees and those wishing to improve their live. Bush taking amessage of freedom to China, shows he cares about freedom passionatly.

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Nessie, Touche.

Taka

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It is not the US that is the problem. It is US policy and leadership. Relative to many places in the world the US is still quite free. But we cannot rest upon a past of relative freedom. We have to continue to protect and advocate improvement for liberty and freedom. Bush, his administration and his policies have been an enemy of that objective.

I am sure that many refugees and political exiles do go to Canada, Australia, NZ, nations in the UE, the UK and other destinations. The US does not have an exclusive claim on being a haven for the oppressed in the modern world. Just because people flee to relative safety does not make the destination somehow a perfect paradise.

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A message from who?

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I am all for Bush taking a message of peace to China, but i want to see him come down hard on them regarding their human rights record.

I`ll be keeping a watchfull eye, seeing if he does the right thing.

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Why the United States?

Perhaps he thought that any country lead by a man who negotiated peace between Egypt and Israel is a good place to live.

Taka

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That's TWO that could have gone to Canada or New Zealand but went instead to America.

Why?????

In the case of Wei Jingsheng, because he was put on the plane to America. Having arrived in 1997, he has yet to learn English and, in contrast to his sister in Germany, leads a marginalized life having alienated other dissidents with his insistence on "my way or the highway."

As for Harry Wu, his imprisonment in China in 1998 caused a reassessment within the community where he lives (Silicon Valley) over our policy of allowing anyone to apply for a US passport after five years of permanent residence. All he seems to care about is China and the U.S. passport was simply a guarantee Washington would bail him out when he got into trouble upon a return trip to the "motherland." Moreover, he does his cause great harm in China where he is viewed as an "arrogant American."

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A message of peace can only be a good thing, and if the Chinese population hear about it even better. Please, less bias.

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Altria; The economy has improved every year since Bush`s election.

Tell that to all the people who have lost their jobs and homes in the current financial crisis.

China will listen to Bush, among the heneral population he is revered as a great wise man.

He talks, thay listen, you better believe it.

You might like to read the article:

U.S. President George W Bush, in a move likely to anger China

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Wei Jingsheng served 18 years in prison in China because of his writings against the communist authorities and has lived in the United States since 1997.

That's TWO that could have gone to Canada or New Zealand but went instead to America.

Why?????

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Harry Wu spent nearly 20 years in Chinese labor camps and is now a human rights activist living in the United States.

Why the United States?

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Altria: JT thinks that real criticism and feedback is inflamitory. But depends upon the Moderator's personal political bend I think.

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Altria; The economy has improved every year since Bush`s election.

China will listen to Bush, among the heneral population he is revered as a great wise man.

He talks, thay listen, you better believe it.

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Surge, my apologies. I see your real meaning now.

Honestly I don't like how upset this Texan makes me feel. But the facts are I can't help but see how much damage he has done and at what cost. The key now is just what will it take to undo it all.

As for China. I know many people around me who will boycot the Olympics both by not going and by not watching. Beyond that many are refusing to buy products by Olympic sponsors. To take it one step farther I hope during the Olympics we continue to raise the issues that China wants us to ignore. 1. Their repression of minorities such as the Uyghurs. 2. Tibet, 3. Human rights violtions. 4. Repressive policies on religion, speech and association. 5. Ongoing threats against Taiwan. and more.

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Surge - "All the steps taken were to increase our security against the evil doers."

You are correct - Evildoers need to have steps taken against them to ensure they gain more freedom because that's what George wants to give to everyone.

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So long as he's not taking his own personal idea of 'freedom' to China, then it's fine... otherwise, he's facing Communism with Communism, as his idea of freedom is nothing more than a dictatorship itself. Bush has utterly destroyed the meaning of the word 'freedom'. Besides, with China owning some 20% or more of the US, it's not wise to make them angry when you're going to beg them to bail you out.

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Now my only question is whether GWB is going to give his little freedom speel before or after he asks the Chinese to take out their checkbook?

This week the White House forecast a record deficit of USD 482 billion for FY 09. I can just hear the Chinese, "now 'free' are you when you're in this much debt?"

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"Bush vows to take 'message of freedom' to Beijing"

Gitmo

Wire taps

Body searches at airports

Fingerprinting, etc.

Way to go Freedom USA !!!

TKoind2 - "How can you see a message of peace in a man who has a record so contrary to both peace and freedom?"

I think Surge is pulling your leg :-)

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I will be among the first to decry China's human rights record and their limits on "freedom," but of ALL the people in the world to go to Beijing and proclaim a message of freedom, G.W. Bush is the least qualified. America, which ostensibly was the beacon of freedom to the world for so long, has become a very poor example of what a modern, sane and functioning democracy should look like under Bush's command. This is the same person who, when referring to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, called it "just a goddamn piece of paper!" Want a clearer picture of Bush's violation of his constitutional duties and Americans' freedoms? Just read Bugliosi's book on prosecuting this monster for murder. ISBN 978-159315-481-3 Manson down, and Bush still to go!

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tkoind2; What has BUsh ever done to you to make you hate him so much.

He brings messages of peace and you criticise him.

Not very fair and balanced on you behalf.

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If a president violates rights at home, how can he advocate rights abroad? Is this an inflamitory question?

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One day China will be free, no small part down to our brave leader.

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"What would GWB know about freedom? This man has done more damage to personal liberty, due process, human rights and individual freedom than any president in American history. His Patriot Act was a direct insult to the principles of the constitution and his blatant disregard for human rights in carrying out torture and rendition put him on the same level as nations like China.

Bush should be considered a war criminal for his violation of the Geneva convention and for his lies that led to the Iraq war. He has no more right to talk about liberty than the Chinese.

Moderator: Please refrain from posting inflammatory messages such as this.

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What a wind-up, eh.

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TonyUS; Bush always brings up human rights concerns when dealing with Chinese diplomats.

Bush is trying to use America as a force for good, and encourage countries such as China, to becaome free democracys.

I only praise him, as i can see he is an honest man, with good intentions.

Perhaps you should watch a different news service, and view some unbiased reporting.

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Surge you are somewhat of an elitist I believe and do not know people's daily plight.

Bush has supported those that have put these activists in labor camps and still is doing so. The only reason he is saying what he is saying now is because he is forced to just like the Chinese leaders are forced into making changes.

His trip to Beijing is nothing but more support for the crack downs the CCP take against its people. It is publicity and total injustice for all free loving human beings. He is so strong,, that is trash talk and Bush deserves nothing but to be condemned for his support of these Chinese leaders and support of their military build up.

It is a disgrace he even talks human rights when he has done nothing to push that topic into the face of China and if you have read any reports on CHina the restrictions has only tightened in China during Bush's administration has taken office and this is a fact!

You need to go to work for the CCP propaganda machine because you are doing great with the Bush propaganda machine even though no one believes it that has any sense. I guess China has changed so much we should be praising them all because of Bush and his little followers that see him as doing no wrong. This is the same sentiment that the leaders of China strive for from their citizens and force it upon them, while some here just tag along Bush like little puppies, thinking he does not wrong.. Some should go live in these backward countries were they need no mind of their own because all is decided for them.

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Well I guess he's not going to get the seat with the really good view now.

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What is this "freedom" little bush is always going on about? Are we talking about the "freedom" to die of the 50 million poor people in the US who have no health insurance?? He should look to his own country first. The day this child leaves the White House certainly will be a day to celebrate.

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some14some; This guy is the worlds no1 diplomat.

Nobody has the tact, intelligence and guile of Bush.

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Never too late, uptil now word 'diplomcy' was not in Bush's dictionary, good he is carrying message and not missile to China.

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Way to go GW!!!

What courage this guy has. So what if the Olympics are in China, he does what is right, as allways.

What an example to leaders of all other nations.

Leader of the free world leads by example, as we would expect.

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