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California ban on selling semi-automatic guns to young adults overturned

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That’s going to work out well.

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After all those rabbits come in waves and a semi auto magic is the only thing between you and multiple nibbles.

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When you have a civilization where under 21's can buy a semi-automatic weapon, you don't have a civilization.

There's simply no justification for allowing people to own these weapons.

If they can't make guns illegal, can they make owning ammunition illegal? That could help.

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Humans are insane.

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America would not exist without the heroism of the young adults who fought and died in our revolutionary army,

The key word there is “army”. And the key word in the Constitution is “militia”, which at the time meant pretty much the same thing as army.

I thought these “conservative” judges believed in original intent. This one sounds particularly dumb.

nominated to the court by former President Donald Trump.

Figures.

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id have loved a semi auto when I was under 21, could have killed all those idiots in an afternoon’s spree,!

most of them are my friends now. So bygones be bygones. Thankfully I had a slingshot at the time that broke hitting me in the face. I’m sure someone would have cut me in half back then had they accessed an assault rifle. One thing to own one another to be mature enough to own one.

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393 million firearms in civilian possession in the United States

Sounds like one helluva well-regulated militia!

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Guns don’t kill people, people do

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Bobo...

Guns don’t kill people, people do

That's true but having a gun makes it a whole lot easier.

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Sorry if I am missing something but from what age is “an adult under 21”? Is it 18? Or does this change mean children of any age can buy semi-autos?

If it is changing from 21 to 18, I don’t really see much of an impact… not supporting it though! No need for civilian guns in a modern society.

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It just gets worse

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Since voting and buying a gun are constitutional rights, I propose they be regarded equally, and we do one of two things. Either we make buying a gun as easy as voting, or we make voting as difficult as buying a gun. Just saying.

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And the insanity continues - what does anyone need a semi automatic weapon for? To fight off the zombies? Spaaaace Aliens? Those 'squirls' that dare to fight back? To kill and maim fellow workers because you had a bad day?

The US of A will destroy itself in a maelstrom of bullets.

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The appellate court's decision does not impact California's ban on the sale of handguns to those under 21, which is also the legal age at which individuals are allowed to purchase alcohol throughout the United States.

I am confused. Does this mean if you are under 21 you cannot buy a handgun but you can buy a semi-automatic gun in California?

By the way, can I buy flame thrower, gatling gun, grenade launcher or a fully functional battle tank in the US? I mean unlike 250 years ago, nowadays when young adults want to do an uprising semi automatic guns cannot quite cut it. They need better weapons.

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Mr Asai

I think most of the world survives quite fine without the need of a semi automatic rifle, no matter what age.

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I am confused. Does this mean if you are under 21 you cannot buy a handgun but you can buy a semi-automatic gun in California?

Yes. You can't buy a semi-automatic handgun but you can buy a semi-automatic centerfire rifle. Although I think the court left the requirement that you have a hunting licence intact.

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what does anyone need a semi automatic weapon for?

Cops carry them.

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So they can’t buy cigarettes or a beer but an AK is no problem? Sounds about right for the States!

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have you seen the amount of violent crime in California?

All the criminals have a semi automatic, so why not me?

wouldnt set foot in there without one.

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So they can’t buy cigarettes or a beer but an AK is no problem?

You usually don’t urgently need cigarettes or beer there for survival and becoming 21, especially as there are already tons of other illegal substances out and available there too, but there are places and situations where you very well need a rifle to have a chance to reach that age. If my interpretation of statistics is not completely wrong, most youngsters in the States die because of too much drugs and the other half because of too less defensive guns, so to say.

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I am confused. Does this mean if you are under 21 you cannot buy a handgun but you can buy a semi-automatic gun in California?

I could be wrong, but federally, licensed dealers cannot sell a handgun to anyone under 21. Private sellers can, but California generally prohibits private sales. At least, they must be facilitated through a licensed dealer who will perform the background check.

The federal age limit for licensed dealers to sell long guns is 18. There is no limit for private sales, but again those are generally prohibited in California. The court is ruling that California's ban on the sale of rifles to those between 18 and 21 is unconstitutional.

There's probably a lot more to it than that, but that's what I think is happening.

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have you seen the amount of violent crime in California?

Yeah. It’s below average.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

All the criminals have a semi automatic, so why not me?

wouldnt set foot in there without one.

“If I went to California I would become a criminal” isn’t the brag you think it is.

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Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which says that Americans have a right to "keep and bear arms."

America's war for independence almost 250 years ago.

Back then they used muskets

Today it semi-automatic weapons

If they want to bear arms as in the 2nd amendment written 250 year old, then they should be limited to weapons from that era.

Would the founding fathers have written that if they knew what the weapons and the ones holding them would be like today ?

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If they want to bear arms as in the 2nd amendment written 250 year old, then they should be limited to weapons from that era.

If they want the freedom of speech as in the First Amendment, should they be limited to quill pens and parchment?

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Seems a lot of anti gun zealots don't actually know a lot about guns. A "semi automatic" is NOT a machine gun. A semi auto fires one bullet each time you pull the trigger. It is by far the most common weapon type, especially in handguns.

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Every day, 22 children and teens (1-17) are shot in the United States.

role model for the world.

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Seems a lot of anti gun zealots don't actually know a lot about guns

So it's the antigun that are zealots.

Anyway I wouldn't expect antiguns to know a lot about guns.

The big problem would be if those who like guns don't know much about them

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I really enjoy guns from the machinics, machining, balance and the feel but can stand the noise they make and they need to be lock up in a safe so some idiot gets hold of it. So I don’t own one but I die defending a person right to own one.

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Seems a lot of anti gun zealots don't actually know a lot about guns. A "semi automatic" is NOT a machine gun. A semi auto fires one bullet each time you pull the trigger. It is by far the most common weapon type, especially in handguns.

I want those gone.

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It is smart and wise to understand the US weapons industry and personal gun culture..

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

U.S. Bought Almost 20 Million Guns Last Year — Second-Highest Year On Record

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2022/01/05/us-bought-almost-20-million-guns-last-year---second-highest-year-on-record/?sh=75ff44bd13bb

An individual self-defense right.

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Maybe they just want those children to have a chance to shoot back

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“If I went to California I would become a criminal” isn’t the brag you think it is.

i know what i would not become. Deceased simply because a criminal had a gun and I didn’t.

So there is that, being a legal gun owner and all.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This article is about regulation not being allowed. And the “right to individual self-defense” seems to be mostly against other people with guns. Because it’s the fun that is the danger.

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So here you have a judge in an allegedly civilised democracy raising the ghosts of 18tb-century revolutionaries in order to defend the so-called right of any disaffected junior citizen to take up semi-automatic weapons against the very state that appointed the judiciary in the first place, if they feel so inclined. Bats.

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Yeah, I call them zealots. They are much like the anti abortion zealots, who will only accept a total ban on abortions. They are similar in that they are totally unrealistic in their expectations.

The US is always gonna have guns and always gonna have abortions. The trick is in getting to a compromise on these issues that makes enough people wince but finally agree. Nobody getting everything they want.

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Yeah. It’s below average.

nope #18 of 50 which is above average.,“only” 442 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

how many 100,000 people does California have again? Your victimhood chance is pretty solid there if you are unarmed.

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So here you have a judge in an allegedly civilised democracy raising the ghosts of 18tb-century revolutionaries in order to defend the so-called right of any disaffected junior citizen to take up semi-automatic weapons against the very state that appointed the judiciary in the first place, if they feel so inclined. Bats.

No, it's about protection from the state, should it turn tyrannical. Why would the state grant people the right to take up arms and overthrow it?

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they are totally unrealistic in their expectations.

I guess that's a good context.

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I have always believed that an American is not a complete citizen unless he is armed. Their national ideal is a 24/7 fully armed citizenry acting in countervailance to anyone else with the range of a fully automatic AR15.

Also guns equal freedom in America. California seemed to be ‘unfree’ till now but it is taking a few steps towards realising the American ideal of guns, freedom and the great American dream.

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One step forward, followed by two steps back. This is the latter.

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a fully automatic AR15

No such thing, unless it's been illegally modified. AR-15s are semi-auto, and fully automatic weapons have been heavily regulated since the 1930s.

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So typical, so depressing, so asinine.

so long as they keep their guns and insanity within their own borders they can go on slaughtering each other to their hearts content until they realise their folly.

The USA is far too dangerous for any rational person to endanger them selves by going there. Their gun fetish is such a shame as there is otherwise much that could be good in the country.

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Sophia Hernandez:

That’s a particularly American paranoia, pretty much unique among democratic nations and doubly ironic in a nation that constantly puffs itself up as an exemplar to the free world, etc. And if the United States government did come after some of its own citizens, using its huge military on which it expends more cash every year than anyone else combined, what chance are those people going to have against it, no matter what kind of weaponry they might be packing? Your argument makes no sense, even at the 10,000th time of hearing it.

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