California makes it illegal to remove condom without consent

It is ging to be interesting to see how one can prove verbal consent or lack of one!

Next thing you know, he has to whip out a contract, get it signed in blood and witnessed, before removing the condom!

I will be honest, I legitimately did not know this was not already a crime. For some reason, I was under the impression it was already classified as rape, legally. It absolutely should be a crime, so good on California for actually making it a law.

The spousal rape law is absolutely a no-brainer that should quickly receive widespread adoption. Being married does not give automatic consent, that is self-explanatory.

California has successfully addressed all the minor problems like drug use, poverty, wildfires, and now focuses on what really matters.

All due respect, if you don't know someone well enough to KNOW that they will keep the condom in place, don't have sex with him.

I guess you'd need a crotch cam for evidence.

Had to check the web address, I thought this was The Onion for a second. Nope, just good ole reality is stranger than fiction California. Stay Cali classy brahs.

Next thing you know, he has to whip out a contract, get it signed in blood and witnessed, before removing the condom!

Electronic contracts are already a thing in some European countries for this arent they?

I remember reading several years ago, a couple countries were trialling consent apps.

I can see that definately becoming a thing in California.

So much for the movie business.

So let me get this straight. I have to ask my lady friend for permission to remove my condom in California? What if I have to go to the local kombini for a snack, and she says "No" about removing said condom. Will I be arrested? Apparently so, according to this article.

As you can see with both Texas and California, there are extremists on both sides of the political aisle.

So let me get this straight. I have to ask my lady friend for permission to remove my condom in California? What if I have to go to the local kombini for a snack, and she says "No" about removing said condom. Will I be arrested? Apparently so, according to this article.

First paragraph clearly states “during intercourse”

The leadership in California has finally lost its mind once and for all. So does that mean they’ll outlaw abortion as well in that case?

Not an issue here in Japan where no girl has ever asked me to use a condom lol

BigYenToday  12:18 pm JST

I don't believe in all that you've-gotta-get-consent-every-step-of-the-way BS, but this seems clear enough. If a woman agrees to sex with a condom, and at some point the guy just takes it off without asking, the guy's broken the agreement. Unwanted pregnancy, STDs are not minor matters.

Sex is meant to be concentual between the two, but I don't know how this can be enforced. And spousal rape is rape. Any sex act where both parties aren't consenting to is an act of rape.

But removing the rubber and plugging in can be dangerous, resulting in unwanted pregnancies and/or STDs. Rapists generally don't use Trojans anyway, they don't care. They do sex acts as a violent act.

Not an issue here in Japan where no girl has ever asked me to use a condom lol

Gross

Seems fair enough to me.

Stealthing sounds disgusting and low, especially as the latest 0.2mm condoms are barely noticeable.

Grow up and take responsibility, guys!

Who's consent? The condom is on the male. So it is his body and his choice? or is it his body but her choice?

This opens up a can of worms. (pardon the pun).

If she gets to say what he can or cant do with his body, why is it different for a pregnancy when he is the father but she gets to choose to abort or not because it is her body?

Need to be very careful about this.

California has successfully addressed all the minor problems like drug use, poverty, wildfires, and now focuses on what really matters.]

drug use well thats a nationwide problem, wildfires, well parks are maintained by the federal government.

when it come to poverty homicides, on a per capita basis CA is ranked in the lower half of the states in the US, states with the highest poverty , food stamps, homicides per capita are nearly all red states. stats easily confirmed on the FBI or .gov websites

Never a problem in Japan.

So let me get this straight. I have to ask my lady friend for permission to remove my condom in California? What if I have to go to the local kombini for a snack, and she says "No" about removing said condom. Will I be arrested? Apparently so, according to this article.

First paragraph

California became the first state to prohibit “stealthing,” or removing a condom without permission during intercourse, after Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill into law Thursday.

I would hope most would agree removing a condom during sex is NOT cool & downright nasty!

As a few have also noted this whole topic needs expanding. Women lying about being on the pill trapping guys should be a crime, paternity fraud should be a crime, BOTH of these are NOT minor issues but very huge numbers wise, women should NOT be allowed with getting away with these!

And while were are at marriage laws need MASSIVE updating they are insanely anti-male in most western countries

What's so 'gross' @bass4funk: How long you lived here? I too, was surprised when I first arrived here.

What's so 'gross' @bass4funk: How long you lived here? I too, was surprised when I first arrived here.

If somebody thinks that natural sex the way it should be enjoyed is "gross", then that says a lot about them. Anyway, the sex education (or lack thereof) in Japan is pretty amazing.

What if I have to go to the local kombini for a snack, and she says "No" about removing said condom. Will I be arrested?

If you’re having sex in the snack aisle of the konbini, yes you probably will be arrested.

Regardless of whether you keep or remove the condom.

@SteveinJapan: I totally agree - and whereas it may not be safe in many ways (health or financially) - I don't in anyway think that 'gross' is the right word!

Good law but unfortunately, it will be hard to prove and open to abuse. However, the general rule should be "no glove; no love" because unless you're willing to bear the responsibility of an unwanted pregnancy and suffer the consequences of an STD, contraceptives - from both parties - is the best way for some bedroom fun. Men who try to remove their condoms during sex are essentially committing sexual assault, which last time I checked, is illegal.

Women shouldn’t have to ask men to wear a condom - it should be the default until agreed on.

@bass4funk is right - What is GROSS is to essentially brag on a website that you don’t use condoms because no one asked - if you’re too pigheaded to think about the other person, at least protect yourself! Women shouldn’t have to ask men to wear a condom - it should be the default until agreed on.

I don't think @bass4funk was referring to it in that way. Yes- it should be the default on a ONS or in a casual relationship. No argument. Thise who have been in Japan for a LONG time will know that until recently (compared to other countries) it simply wasn't. No one is here to argue about this. Depends when you were born and your sensibilities.

PaulToday  11:37 am JST

Next thing you know, he has to whip out a contract, get it signed in blood and witnessed, before removing the condom!

In a state swimming with excess lawyers, maybe this could be a new income stream.

I don't think @bass4funk was referring to it in that way. Yes- it should be the default on a ONS or in a casual relationship.

That is exactly right.

No argument. Thise who have been in Japan for a LONG time will know that until recently (compared to other countries) it simply wasn't. No one is here to argue about this. Depends when you were born and your sensibilities.

Exactly.

Who's consent? The condom is on the male. So it is his body and his choice? or is it his body but her choice?

you are joking right ?

or did you skip sex education at school ?

Wonder what happens when the other party takes off the first party’s condom without the ok (for example a woman looking to trap a guy with a pregnancy removes a condom in the middle of a session).

This is just all so stupid. Wait until I get on Twitter later this is conversation to continue is just to rich to give up on since we all can’t really talk about this crazy rule another of many crazy obese that California is once again trying to push on people into more big brother oversight.

It's O.K., it just adds the necessary first step of once you get to the house, or hotel room, or beach is to obtain consent to an audio recording of the lovemaking.