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California may empower citizens to sue over illegal firearms

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They are taking a page out of the Republican's handbook with regards to another hot issue.

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Yeah like that guy who did the shooting with the stolen gun actually will be paying a fine. Useless legislation.

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 The homemade assault weapon a father used a month ago and a few miles away to kill his three daughters, their chaperone and then himself was unregistered.

The shooter himself was also “unregistered” to be in our country.

no person illegally in USA, no shooter, no gun, no deaths.

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Yeah like that guy who did the shooting with the stolen gun actually will be paying a fine. Useless legislation.

Read a little closer; "But the bill would not bar anyone from possessing or using the weapons, though they're illegal under other laws. And it would not include stolen weapons unless they are otherwise made illegal, for instance by filing off the serial number."

I'm not sure how effective it would be. I don't think I'd be brave enough to openly challenge my neighbour in court if I saw them illegally distributing firearms. Seems like a good way to end up at the wrong end of one.

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My advise to American parents, send your kids to law school. Big bucks when they graduate.

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Read a little closer

Yes good point. So this isn’t even applicable to any actual shooters. Because some illegals or people of color might get caught up in that, unfairly of course.

even more useless than I thought, good catch.

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“People argue that we’ve got the toughest gun laws in the nation. But they’re clearly not tough enough,” Democratic state Sen. Robert Hertzberg said Monday.

they are plenty tough enough. tough enough to be completely unconstitutional. "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms (including 'assault weapons' and high-capacity magazines) shall not be infringed," The trouble is that only law abiding gun owners are willing to follow them.

The solution to ineffective laws isn't to make more ineffective laws. It's to find and punish the people who break them.

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Yes good point. So this isn’t even applicable to any actual shooters.

Right. It's about distribution. All it really does is deputize ordinary citizens into doing law enforcement's job anyway. Private sales are already illegal in California.

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California is a great example of a bad example

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Sad that we always get these knee jerk reactions following some demented loon shooting or some gang or other beef related shooting.

Still, as long as it makes the pols feel better about themselves.

California slowly strangling itself in regulations.

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Gun-right knee-jerk reactors, pay attention: Newsom is not coming after your guns, unless they are illegal. His gun proposal is far more limited, giving private actors the right to sue anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells assault weapons or "ghost gun" kits or parts in California. As SophiaHernandez commented above, "The solution to ineffective laws isn't to make more ineffective laws. It's to find and punish the people who break them." This would be an effective method at finding them.

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cant wait until the first time a neighbor calls the police on a person of color for this and is wrong.

Massive lawsuit.

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not using neighbors as a snitch for law enforcement, as starters.

then maybe keep criminals in jail?

Documents show Martin served more than 18 months in an Arizona prison for probation violations from two cases. He was convicted of felony aggravated assault in 2016 and a conviction on a marijuana charge in 2018. Court records show he pleaded guilty to punching, kicking and choking a woman in a hotel room when she refused to work for him as a prostitute. He was released from prison in Arizona in November of 2020.

maybe removing people from the country who have no right to be there instead of letting them go?

A gunman who killed his three daughters and another man in a church in Northern California was in the U.S. illegally, and had not been handed over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) after a prior arrest due to California’s “sanctuary state” law that limits cooperation with federal immigration enforcement, authorities said Friday.

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Newsom is not coming after your guns, unless they are illegal.

i don't see anyone saying that.

His gun proposal is far more limited, giving private actors the right to sue anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells assault weapons or "ghost gun" kits or parts in California. 

what about the 15 others he signed in 2019?

As SophiaHernandez commented above, "The solution to ineffective laws isn't to make more ineffective laws. It's to find and punish the people who break them." This would be an effective method at finding them

hoisted by my own petard. that's a good point, provided the law is effective.

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not using neighbors as a snitch for law enforcement, as starters.

So you're against the Texan abortion law and its copycats in other states, which use neighbors as a snitch for law enforcement.

Visiting my father with my kids when they were young, I found a pistol and box of ammunition in a place accessible to them. My father apologized - he'd inherited the gun from his FIL, stuck it in a closet, and forgotten about it.

Now, his house did not need, normally, to be child-proofed for guns, cases are where willful negligence results in deaths, whether accidental or purposeful. In those cases, the enabler must be held accountable. Another legal precedent are drunk driving laws, where servers or friends of those who cause DIY accidents may be held accountable for not taking away their keys.

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Legislative analysts also raised concerns, including that California's bill might be seen as legitimizing Texas' approach.

I think the goal is to have both approaches declared unconstitutional.

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The solution to ineffective laws isn't to make more ineffective laws. It's to find and punish the people who break them

Public law as passed by the US Congress prohibits the Justice Department from having a searchable database of firearm sales in the US, making it extremely time consuming and difficult to figure out the sales history of guns used in crimes.

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The second shooter in the Sacramento shooting was just arrested and charged with possessing a machine gun.

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Still, as long as it makes the pols feel better about themselves.

It is not a case of pols wanting to feel better. Those pols are under a great deal of pressure from voters in California to increase gun control. There are lot of us in California, a majority in fact, who want access to firearms made more restrictive and the number of guns in circulation reduced. 2nd Amendment arguments no longer move us. We see the 2nd Amendment as a source of great personal danger to us and want it revised or repealed. Under current law any idiot can buy a gun, often with no record of the sale, and ATF is prohibited by Congress from having a searchable data base of gun sales that would allow them to find out who sold a gun used in a crime. Another asinine law passed by Congress add insult to injury. Because of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) it is nearly impossible to bring a successful lawsuit against a gun manufacturer or distributor after an act of gun violence. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), passed in 2005, shields gun manufacturers and dealers from civil liability in federal and state courts. The law does not allow civil lawsuits against gun manufacturers and distributors, which seek damages for “the criminal or unlawful misuse” of firearms or ammunition “when the product functioned as designed and intended. The laws and the 2nd Amendment are completely idiotic and have to change. All you gun owning 2nd Amendment spouting gun nuts are a very big part of the problem. Easy, almost unregulated access to guns basically guarantees bad people will have an easy time acquiring guns. To the extent you refuse to regulate and track sales you are part of the problem. You stand there and say "enforce the laws" but the laws are meaningless unless sales can be regulated and tracked so former criminals, those with mental illnesses and restraining orders for example cannot buy a gun. Current laws make that impossible. And they you have the so-called "constitutional sheriffs" who refuse to enforce any gun related laws. Much blood on the hands of supposedly law abiding gun owners.

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