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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.California moves to outlaw removing condom without permission during intercourse
By DON THOMPSON SACRAMENTO, Calif©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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bass4funk
Insane, more reason that Newsom needs to go.
Blacklabel
and how is this is a current priority?
while at the same time didnt they pass a law that its ok for people with HIV to not inform their partner?
Strangerland
I don't see what's insane about it. But I also don't like the idea of the government in the bedroom. I'm interested in the specifics of why you think it's insane, to see if I agree enough to pull me off the fence.
Strangerland
Yes, we all know the government doesn't have the capacity to work on more than one thing at a time!
bass4funk
I will say this, the left have definitely become more inventive if anything....smh....
Strangerland
My instinct is to shake my head at the loony woke left on this one as well, as I really don't like the idea of the government being in the bedroom. But, I'm still on the fence, since I also don't want to see women being subjected to unprotected sex without their consent.
What are your thoughts on the matter? I'm curious to see if they can help me get off the fence on this.
bass4funk
I think the government should never get to the point where it starts creeping into your bedroom and try to dictate how you should sexually care for your partner, but on the other hand I think a man who pushes himself on a woman and impregnates her against her will (another word for rape, no matter how subtle) there should be severe and heavy penalties as well as compensation depending on the severity of the act.
At the same time if you reverse the issue, women shouldn't be allowed to trick a man into having a child he doesn't want. The idea of entrapment like that is never good and never ends well. I do think men need a little bit of legal insurance so that they don't have to be obligated to financially pay for that over the next 18-20 years, if they were tricked or blackmailed to support a child. I am just saying how I personally feel. Men should never, ever take advantage and put women in that kind of predicament, but woman also should never force a man to take responsibility for something he may not agree with.
Strangerland
Hmm, suddenly you seem to be making the argument that the government SHOULD be involved, when you were claiming it was "insane" a few posts back.
I'm still on the fence.
SuperLib
I agree with bass. I'm wondering how many women have gotten pregnant against their will by a guy slipping off a condom vs the number of men who because fathers because the women lied about birth control or having her tubes tied.
Seems the law only addresses half the problem. Why not fix all of it?
SuperLib
*became
venze
Is that all the lawmakers in California can do?
How flabbergasting..
Zaphod
Learned a new word. I really wonder how these clown lawmakers want to police this law??
Blacklabel
nope, you dont get in bed with people who you cant trust to not do "stealthing" to you. .
you also dont get into bed with someone you couldnt see yourself having a child with.
your own poor choices dont support being able to have an abortion to try to erase it all.
Express sister
Good law. Those who disagree, let me know when it would be a good time for me to get some of my semen on you against your will.
Express sister
Must be nice to live in a world where deception doesn't exist.
Yeah, you do. Many people do. Sex, in case you weren't aware, is actually a lot of fun.
The choice, in this instance, was the man's, to remove the condom without permission or knowledge of the woman. So, do you think the man should be solely responsible for raising the child? If so, I can respect that. It would be consistent.
Blacklabel
Yes, if this were confirmed to be the case. and if the woman had made a poor choice to sleep with a man of such poor character.
But as you seem to imply, most of this is just related to the irresponsible "sex is fun" crowd who are fine to just erase their mistakes with abortion- the killing of an innocent life.
blvtzpk
What happens if it accidentally slips off?
Asking for a friend…
Express sister
Good, cool. I disagree, but as I say, at least this is consistent, so I can respect that.
Again, I find it unusual that you seem to live in a world where people can make "poor" decisions without outside factors, such as being deceived. And it's the person who did the deceiving who did wrong. If I trick you out of your money, for example, I would be the one arrested, not you.
Humans? Yeah. I am part of that crowd.
If you want to stop abortions, then making it illegal to secretly take off your condom, which dramatically increases the chances of pregnancy and STDs, against the wishes of the woman, seems like a good idea, doesn't it? Good law.
Express sister
Sorry, to be fair, perhaps you are arguing that sex isn't fun.
In which case, you have my condolences.
Mark
I LOVE California, always the first in any thing, and this new law is no different. I guess now we will see people getting sued for poking a hole or removing a condom, LOL
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
This is hardly new. Such laws have been on the books for awhile in other jurisdictions.
My only concern, is that it may be difficult to argue, or prove it was non-consensual in court, but that's the case with pretty much any sort of sex related crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-consensual_condom_removal#Legal_status_and_interpretation_in_jurisprudence
theFu
Men want more feeling, so he may remove the condom.
Women want a baby, so she may remove the condom.
There are always 2 sides. I've heard that for some men, the condom might just be too large and slip off. Who's fault is that?
Of course, a woman could put a tiny hole into the condom to achieve her goal, without the man knowing.
Skeptical
Any word yet over whether they will also make it illegal for Party A to discontinue contraception before The Act without giving prior notice to Party B? Wouldn't that knowledge (the the lack thereof) constitute an element towards Consent for The Act?
Strangerland
The same way all policed laws are policed - the police will charge offenders with the crime after they have committed it when they have evidence the crime was committed. Literally how policing works.
Strangerland
But what if you do trust them, but they were sociopathic liars? Is it your fault as the victim for not having very good judgment of people? And does that absolve the criminal of responsibility, because it's the victims' fault for being too trusting?
Strangerland
Well, when that happens, you learn that you shouldn't have bought the Magnums - they're for the big boys.
Wolfpack
Progressives used to want people out of your bedroom. Now they want to micro-manage people’s sexual activities.
Wolfpack
Or Newsom sends you to prison. Boys, be sure you know your girl very very well. The free love hookup scene could land you in the county lockup. And there is plenty of room since the big city Progressive prosecutors aren’t going after thief’s and illegal aliens.
theFu
Stop confusing cm and in. ]/s
Desert Tortoise
Constituent pressure to pass such a law. It is on people's minds enough for them to comment and thus legislators to feel compelled to do something.
Desert Tortoise
Save the sarcasm please. There have been lawsuits when stealthing resulted in the plaintiff contracting a disease or becoming pregnant. The law was not clear on the matter making these difficult cases to win in civil court. This makes such lawsuits easier to win.
Strangerland
Progressives wanting women to not have men push non-consenting women to have some protection - talk about pathetic, disgusting people. How DARE they not think that women should have no protections on this issue like unprogressives do. Frankly, there isn't a lower class of humans that these people who want to protect women from non-consenting unprotected sex. Right?!
...right?