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What about identification? What about when beeing ID'd? Passports, drivers lisence, employee badge if needed, and personal ID

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Good on Canada for being inclusive, rather than exclusive.

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that the ban violated her religious freedoms

I'm no scholar of any religious book, but from what I've read and been told wearing the niqab or scarf to cover yourself is not required.

http://www.islamic-myths.com/islam/hijab-is-not-a-compulsion-of-islam/

This article says it's her 'religious freedom'. I can see it's her personal freedom based on her interpretation of the Quran, or it's related to her culture and family traditions, but the fact that islamic scholars debate the issue of covering, and when many devout Muslim women don't wear it makes me question it.

But then in the US a pastafarian now has the right to wear a strainer in official pictures.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/49833/20141118/pastafarian-tests-religious-freedom-by-wearing-colander-in-license-photo.htm

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There are times when I wouldn't mind wearing one of those things. (And perhaps more times when others would rather I wear one.) But MarkG makes a valid point. I think if you cover your face, you have to accept that you will come under more scrutiny (at airports, etc.), and are likely to be stopped more often than others. If you can accept that, then fair enough.

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Canada plays with fuel and hoping for the best. Maybe a spark of torch would start the fire and burning villages one day. This one is not a good bet for future of peaceful and lay back Canada, eh!

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Canada plays with fuel and hoping for the best.

Alienation through intolerance is playing with fuel. Inclusion is the path to peace. Canada is making the right move.

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Security for the lives of others should always take precedence over religious attire. Inclusion requires adaptation.

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Inclusion requires adaptation.

That's a slippery slope. To what extent? What defines adaptation?

As for Mark's concerns, there are female civil servants who can confirm Niqab women's ID. Strangerland is right. We are all stronger through recognition of our differences and our acceptance of each other. The strongest defence any country has against terrorism is the draining of the swamp of hatred and resentment that festers due to intolerance and exclusionism.

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Again with the "slippery slope" nonsense. Is that what you left wingers respond to everything you can't actually argue against?

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Ok define adaptation. Lets see what you right wingers have to contribute

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One more nail in the coffin of Canadian democracy, Majority works and feeds the minorities that rule over it. Besides courts accepting a claim of religious connection that is known to be a lie proves its bias and incompetence, Niqab or face covering is not a religious requirement but a custom practiced by some but not all Muslim woman just like the dress of orthodox Jews has nothing to do with Torah.

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Another capitulation. Canada too is headed down the road to submission. Did they even consider that these tents are not allowed even in Erdogan`s Turkey?

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A thread full of people talking about how Canada has gone wrong - and not one Canadian among the bunch.

Meanwhile on my facebook wall are posts by Canadians supporting the move.

Yay Canada, I'm glad you haven't fallen prey to the racist hysteria that seems so common world-wide right now.

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Strangerland,

there is nothing racist in disagreeing with the tenting of women. Using the "racist" label for people who disagree with you is really getting lame. And it is naive to believe that giving in to islamist demands has anything to do with tolerance, rather than with submission. You might want to read what moderate muslims and ex-muslims have to say about the subject.

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@ Strangerland, actually, I'm Canadian.

@ Aly Rustom, Social Adaptation: the adjustment of individual and group behaviour to conform with the prevailing system of norms and values in a given society, class, or social group. In Canada, the prevailing system uses facial identification for security. Niqabs prevent that. Try using Google next time. It's not that difficult.

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Social Adaptation: the adjustment of individual and group behaviour to conform with the prevailing system of norms and values in a given society, class, or social group. In Canada, the prevailing system uses facial identification for security.

What is exactly cultural about facial identification? Plus if you had bothered to read my previous comments you would have heard that there are female civil servants who can confirm these women's identities.

Try using Google next time. It's not that difficult.

That's what the right wing loves to do. Ad hoc attacks because people like Strangerland and I don't subscribe to this racist venom.

there is nothing racist in disagreeing with the tenting of women. Using the "racist" label for people who disagree with you is really getting lame

If the shoe fits...

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If the women choose to cover their face, that's their right. If they are forced, then there is a problem. But the ones who cover their face pretty much always state that it's how they choose to dress, and it's what makes them comfortable.

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Exactly. I don7t like the niqab either. But I would never dream of telling anyone how to dress.

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