Canada mandates COVID vaccines for travelers, federal workers

Well, uh, good for Canada. Smaller country by population less bureaucracy, makes sense

Which is why rational analysts look at it on and apples-to-apples basis. So let's do that, shall we?

US deaths per 100k (all numbers from the CDC): 215

Canada deaths per 100k: 75.

"Well, uh, good for Canada" indeed.

We should have been so lucky to have had such a pro-active government that followed the science and public good.

Not according to Pfizer's own vaccine scientists they don't.

So, what data have Pfizer about all other vaccines? you keep bringing a source that have been proved repeatedly to be lying, and that base most of its value on people blindly trusting it even after repeatedly lying. Do you even have any actual scientifically valid source for this? else you have to accept it is simply not worth even considering.

Oh, I know plenty of Canadians who follow the science and have not been vaccinated, and they won't.

There are plenty of people for whom the vaccines are not indicated (yet) so they can be rational, scientific and unvaccinated, that is part of the reason why the rest of the people vaccination is so important, to protect those people. Alternatively, you may know Canadians that say they follow the science, if they are unable to provide enough evidence to refute the medical and scientific consensus that vouch for the safety and efficacy of the vaccines that would mean they are not correct, or honest. Following the science would necessarily mean doing what the scientific consensus say its better objectively.

Natural immunity from an infection is broad and long lasting. 

As long as you are heavily symptomatic or hospitalized, which completely negates the purpose of getting the immunity in the first place, there is no data that proves it so for asymptomatic infection (at least to the degree vaccines provide).

Glad I'm not a Canadian citizen, would hate to be pushed like that.

The Trudeau government just won an election, campaigning on these policies.

Of course, some people hate democracy and think that the democratically elected governments should not follow the will of their voters.

Such people are useless members of society.

Exactly. Time for America to cancel public schools and switch to the school voucher program. Force these schools into competition with one another, then the quality of educators will go up,

It hasn't worked that way. Charter schools are privately run and set their own curriculum. They do not do better than public schools. The whole voucher movement grew out of school integration. I lived this myself. When public schools were desegregated white parents pulled their kids out of public schools in droves and enrolled them in these brand new private schools that popped up seemingly overnight. These schools were pretty much 100% white. I worked for a big city school district at the time and took huge grief from white neighbors and the parents of kids I grew up with for working for the school district because I was bringing little N____ kids into "their" schools. I heard it all as the whites abandoned the public schools so their dear darlings wouldn't have to go to school with Black kids. Shameful. It didn't take long for these parents to discover private schools are awfully expensive and between than and their mortgages they were in financial dire straits. That is where the voucher idea originated. Hey, get the taxpayer to pay me to send my kid to a segregated private all white school. It was never about the quality of education but all about not having their white kids sitting next to a Black kid. I lived it.

Good on Canada.

No, it’s in shambles because the entire public school system is run by Democrats the Teachers Unions are the Democrats biggest donors

No, no, no, no, no. There are a lot of right wing school districts all over the US and yes, even in California. My county is one of these. There is a state requirement for students and teachers to wear face masks indoors but the County Dept. of Public Health won't enforce it and both teachers and students are unmasked indoors. San Diego County is another place where right wing school boards in the unincorporated areas try to push "creation science" and other crap at students. But you don't live here so of course you would not be aware of this.

it’s not the 60’s anymore

This happened in the 1980s.

And looking at statistics, black kids did better in school pre-desegregation.

White parents took their kids out of public schools wholesale and with them the revenue each school gets. Then through their legislatures they slowly defunded public schools in big cities where blacks lived, basically hollowed them out, while demanding public tax money in the form of vouchers so they could send their kids to all white private schools on the taxpayers dime. Disabled kids like mine can't get into those schools. They don't have programs for them and won't admit them so he public school is the only option. If you look at the demographics of LAUSD today, their white enrollment is only 10.5 % in a county where non-Hispanic whites are 26% of the population. Blacks are about 9% of the district and county population. Latinos are 76% of the district enrollment but only 48.6% of the county population. There is your white flight. The white kids are going to private all white schools and poking their hands out for my tax money to pay for their bigotry. Pardon me if I wave the BS flag on the excuses used to justify this.

Even worse, enough Canadians seem to approve of it after enabling Trudeau another term to further ruin the country. 

So you don't believe in democracy? The whole idea that the governed, with the benefit of seeing proposed policies in action have the opportunity to CHOOSE their government?

Because that is exactly what happened here and also in the US if you believe in facts and pesky things like that....

Oh, I know plenty of Canadians who follow the science and have not been vaccinated, and they won't.

No doubt you know Canadians. Some of them may not have been vaccinated.

As the national rate is bumping North of 80%, one seriously doubts that they are the norm for that nation....

well done Canada!

Oh snap! But wait! What about all the anti-Vaxx Canadians?

Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any because my cousins to the North pay attention to science. Perhaps because their government actually invested in public education???

Unfortunately this isn't quite accurate. We do have an anti-vax population, but its very concentrated in two provinces (Alberta and Saskatchewan) which, not conicidentally, have spent the past few weeks in a massive health care crisis as their hospitals and ICUs have been swamped with unvaccinated Covid patients.

Anti-vaxers aren't much of an issue in the rest of the country, where the health care systems are not facing the same kind of crisis as a result.

Correction. I stated that all numbers were from the CDC. That is incorrect and I apologize.

They are from Johns Hopkins - an equally credible source.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Whatever happened to the concept of "herd immunity"? With 82% fully vaccinated, it seems that draconian measures like this are not needed.

I see this kind of comment a lot. You have to remember that we need over 80% of the entire population to be vaccinated in order to reach any type of herd immunity. 82% of Canadian over 12 years old are fully vaccinated. There are over 4 million children under the age of 12. That means there is only about 70% of the entire population vaccinated in Canada now.

Back on topic please.

Try telling that recycled nonsense walking. Millions have been thrown at inner city schools for decades. So much so that’s it’s not even an issue today. Hence all the crt and woke curricula. They’re scrambling for abstract notions to explain away their failure as educators. It’s simple the current way doesn’t work. Yet you ramble on with same talking points since the 60s despite democrats being in charge of it all. What else do you want or need? You’ve received millions in funding and have your people positioned in places of decision making. It’s simple. Stop funding public schools according to property taxes collected. There’s enough money put in the treasury by the people to cut parents a check to fund the education. Set up a licensing board like medical and law bar associations. Force teachers into competing and to perform and to get the results. But nah. You’re way is so much better. It’s worked for decades and the students have the grades to prove it.

This is quite honestly nonsensical gibberish. CRT has never been taught at the primary level. It is usually taught in Law school which is well beyond the scope of this discussion.

Equally funding inner city and low capital base districts has never been tried.

And Voucher schools do not in fact perform better.

Voucher schools are just a way for parents to free-ride off the tax payer dime for private schooling for their kids.

Again, you want to go to public school as I did in high school? That is just fine. Pay for it yourself just as my parents did for me and as I did for my children.

This is yet more evidence, as if any was needed that properly funding public education would have gone long ways towards nipping a lot of anti-vax idiocy in the bud while it still could have done some good.

Canada has a vaccination rate about 80% and it's Covid death rate is about 75 per 100k.

US is sitting on 55% in spite of the fact that several proven safe and effective vaccines are freely available and, SURPRISE, the death rate per 100k is 215.

The correlation between different approaches to public education and he death rate strongly imply a causation effect. (That means A caused B to happen).

Oh snap! But wait! What about all the anti-Vaxx Canadians?

Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any because my cousins to the North pay attention to science. Perhaps because their government actually invested in public education???

One wonders where the US would be about know if the general public had something approached basic scientific literacy?

you posted you have had covid so you will have formed anti-bodies.

Yes, that is right.

zichiToday  09:49 am JST

Not for long. Immunity from a Covid-19 infection is short term. There are too many people who have suffered more than one bout of Covid-19 to prove that point.

But covid vaccinations provide more than 90% protection against the virus.

Not according to Pfizer's own vaccine scientists they don't.

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/pfizer-scientist-your-antibodies-are-probably-better-than-the-vaccination/

 Make all vouchers of equal amount so parents in low property value neighborhoods can still shop around for better schools in their neighborhoods. 

Um, no. The answer is not to gut an already underfunded district by taking away more funding. The answer is to make sure that underfunded districts, which are overwhelmingly districts attended by minority students, are funded as well as the sub-urban white districts.

Vouchers are not the answer. Funding public education so that people don't fall for anti-science conspiracy clap-trap is the answer.

And that goes double for poorly funded white districts in rural America.

I was just disagreeing with your "there aren’t any". I realize that the unvaccinated are not the majority in Canada, most Canadians do what they are told and I doubt it has anything to do with "following the science".

That's a little disrespectful to Canadians in all fairness @RawBeer.

I think in all fairness that Canadians are probably just a little more wordly than some elements of the US population and less likely to be influenced by such people as the FLCC and websites such as Bitchute.

What's CRT?

The rest of the world should follow suit.

Hey, get the taxpayer to pay me to send my kid to a segregated private all white school. It was never about the quality of education but all about not having their white kids sitting next to a Black kid. I lived it.

Exactly.

You want taxpayers to pay for your kid’s education? Fine public school. Otherwise pay for it yourself. No free riding off the public dole. Maybe then you’d actually be interested in funding education properly

Side bar: Aren’t these the same group of people who constantly bemoan a society of takers?

The voucher program is far superior. I was also one of those kids—who had to stand out at the bus stop in the morning darkness of February to get bussed across town to fill some racial quota instead of going to the school down the block.

Um, no. No it isn’t especially for the public school students who’s funding is slashed so that parents can free-ride on the taxpayer dime.

As for your claims to have been cold in February, gosh imagine being unable to access decent education because of the color of your skin. Kinda puts things in perspective doesn’t it?

Whatever happened to the concept of "herd immunity"? With 82% fully vaccinated, it seems that draconian measures like this are not needed. Plus add in those with antivirus antibodies due to previous infection... again progressives just LOVE to get and keep power.

All this for a disease that has killed less than 700 people under the age of 50 in a year and a half. 80% of Covid victims are 70 years old or older. Covid has killed 0.08% of Canadians. That means that 99.92% haven't died from Covid.

I don't see the need.

you posted you have had covid so you will have formed anti-bodies.

Not for long. Immunity from a Covid-19 infection is short term. There are too many people who have suffered more than one bout of Covid-19 to prove that point.

We should have been so lucky to have had such a pro-active government that followed the science and public good.

Again, good for Canada.

Oh snap! But wait! What about all the anti-Vaxx Canadians?

Oh, that’s right, there aren’t any because my cousins to the North pay attention to science.

Oh, I know plenty of Canadians who follow the science and have not been vaccinated, and they won't.

I am so happy I am living in Japan, where we still have some freedoms. I wonder if Trudeau will get the military in the streets, like his dad did.

Immunity from a Covid-19 infection is short term. There are too many people who have suffered more than one bout of Covid-19 to prove that point.

Natural immunity from an infection is broad and long lasting. Very few people have been infected twice, where the first infection was confirmed by symptoms and PCR (i.e., not a PCR false positive).

But covid vaccinations provide more than 90% protection against the virus.

For a few months, before it wanes...

What exactly is your understand of CRT? Please be specific.

Everything and I sure hope they don’t start teaching it in Canada.

American education has been under assault by “conservatives” for years, that’s why it’s in shambles.

No, it’s in shambles because the entire public school system is run by Democrats the Teachers Unions are the Democrats biggest donors. The only thing the Republicans can do is bring to attention the incompetency of how the TU and the Democrats have ruined our public education. Now if in Canada the system works for them and parents have no complaints about the government trying to shove CRT or identity gender politics than good for them. I’m not Canadian so I don’t have a say and I don’t live there. I just know what is happening in the US.

State schools and private schools can exist together with governments and private schools giving scholarships to those who can not afford the private fees.

If you don’t have radicals running a public school then, yes.

More Canadians have access to healthcare than Americans. 40 million Americans can not afford healthcare. Canada has done a much better job over covid than America with only about 28,000 deaths compared with nearly 800,000 in America.

Well, uh, good for Canada. Smaller country by population less bureaucracy, makes sense

No doubt you know Canadians. Some of them may not have been vaccinated.

As the national rate is bumping North of 80%, one seriously doubts that they are the norm for that nation....

I was just disagreeing with your "there aren’t any". I realize that the unvaccinated are not the majority in Canada, most Canadians do what they are told and I doubt it has anything to do with "following the science".

Glad I'm not a Canadian citizen, would hate to be pushed like that. 

Perhaps because their government actually invested in public education???

Well, so far the government in the US for the most part has done a horrible job when it comes to investing and teaching our kids in public education especially now in this new woke society. If it works in Canada, different countries, history, and the Canadians are happy with it and the government does a good job then why would you object.