Canada warns India to treat Sikh slaying allegation seriously

Canada said Monday that there were "credible allegations" that agents linked to New Delhi were responsible for the June 18 murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a Canadian citizen, in front of a Sikh cultural center in a Vancouver suburb.

Wow. Why did India carry out an assassination on a Canadian resident...? It's something you expect Russia to do, not India.

2020hindsightsToday 07:18 am JST

India is not much less authoritarian than Russia. The best we can hope for is that they still believe in international norms and will never really be an ally of China.

https://rsf.org/en/index

IMHO, if Trudeau has evidence, he should show it to Modi first before going public with it, basic statecraft. Trudeau AND Modi are not playing the diplomacy card here, they've got some other personal domestic political agenda.

Looks like Modi is taking a page out of the Putin-Xi playbook.

Time to start looking at India as another China or Russia. An Authoritarian dictatorship that is at odds with the west.

An Authoritarian dictatorship that is at odds with the west.

The difference is that Indians can kick out Modi if they want. They have a chance to do it next year, too bad that the opposition can't get its act together.

This is more about domestic politics.

Both sides are going to milk this for domestic political reasons. Trudeau will rally all the Canadian Sikh voters behind him and Modi will spin this (alleged) assassination as his government going after Khalistani separatists abroad.

Excellent, finally these Khalistani  terrorist types are in the limelight, Trudeau is indirectly exposing them and Canada as a safe have for all these terrorist types.

Looks like Modi is taking a page out of the Putin-Xi playbook.

Well these  Khalistani's bombed AirIndia Kanishka killing all 329 abroad, they even tried to bomb Air India Tokyo-New Delhi flight... you have no idea on what types you are dealing with here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

The difference is that Indians can kick out Modi if they want. 

Well if they actually like him, that's an even bigger problem.

The Indian government accuses Ottawa of turning a blind eye to the activities of radical Sikh nationalists who advocate the creation of an independent Sikh state to be carved out of northern India.

The question also is how and why did Hardeep Singh Nijjar, who came to Canada on a fake passport and sought citizenship, was rejected, applied again after marrying a Canadian citizen, was rejected again because the immigration officials determined that the marriage was a sham, finally get citizenship.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9969537/who-is-hardeep-singh-nijjar/

And why has been Canada giving residency to these Khalistanis even after the worst aviation terror attack pre-9/11 in which 329 people, including 268 Canadians were killed.

Why were the perpetrators able to roam scot-free in Canada for decades. Especially since it was proved that the CSIS had enough intelligence and warnings to both prevent the terror attack and to bring the culprits to justice.

Sooner or later things would come to a boil between Canada and India.

The difference is that Indians can kick out Modi if they want. 

Considering he's marginalized everyone who isn't a Hindu nationalist, I would disagree with that statement.

Well these Khalistani's bombed AirIndia Kanishka killing all 329 abroad, they even tried to bomb Air India Tokyo-New Delhi flight... you have no idea on what types you are dealing with here...

Really? So your answer is its ok to violate a Sovern nation's borders and conduct international assassinations??

Really??

At this point, Trudeau sounds like those old men in Trading Places; "Turn those machines back on!"

Canada can't have it both ways; harbouring terrorists and crying about yet another targeted killing in greater Vancouver.

This guy's killing could very well be linked to the murder of Amarpreet Samra in May in Vancouver. The Vancouver Police even issued a public safety warning in May, of which 8 of the 11 people were of Indian descent.

Or it could be related to the murder of Jayden Prasad, also in May.

It seems like there is a targeted killing in Vancouver almost every week and the victims often have Indian names. Canada has failed the Indian community by allowing a small number of violent gangsters and terrorists take control of the Punjabi diaspora and political leaders of all stripes are guilty at winking at the problem.

Considering he's marginalized everyone who isn't a Hindu nationalist, I would disagree with that statement.

What exactly do you disagree with?

Not everyone likes Modi but they dislike the opposition even more. Anyone with a basic understanding of Indian politics will know how much the opposition is reviled.

And no, he has not marginalized everyone who isn't a Hindu nationalist. His party is only after a few religious minorities, but they will still get enough votes (including Christian votes) because people realize that the opposition has long paid lip service to minority upliftment without actually doing anything to make things better for the minorities.

What exactly do you disagree with?

The fact that he is marginalizing and dehumanizing segments of his own population.

Oh and he's conducting assassinations in other countries.

Not everyone likes Modi but they dislike the opposition even more. Anyone with a basic understanding of Indian politics will know how much the opposition is reviled.

And no, he has not marginalized everyone who isn't a Hindu nationalist.

Yes he has.

His party is only after a few religious minorities,

So you do admit that that he is marginalizing minorities

but they will still get enough votes (including Christian votes) because people realize that the opposition has long paid lip service to minority upliftment without actually doing anything to make things better for the minorities.

His policies, like Xi and Putin's, will eventually lead to the destruction of his party and his country and even cause it to fragment.

Oh and he's conducting assassinations in other countries.

Alleged assassination.

Yes he has.

No he hasn't.

Sikhs in India are treated by the Modi government as a model minority. This is different from the Canadian Sikhs, a minority of whom are radicals.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/khalistan-movement-fizzling-out-due-to-pro-sikh-steps-taken-by-pm-modi-sikh-delegation-to-fm-sitharaman/article66723413.ece/amp

So you do admit that that he is marginalizing minorities

Only the Muslims.

His policies, like Xi and Putin's, will eventually lead to the destruction of his party and his country and even cause it to fragment.

I don't wish to comment on hypothetical things.

But what did cause the country to almost fragment (and also to stay on topic) was Khalistan radicalism in the 1980s. When neither the BJP nor Modi was around.

Oh and he's conducting assassinations in other countries.

Alleged assassination.

He did it.

Yes he has.

No he hasn't.

Of course he has. And when the country implodes, it'll be his fault.

Sikhs in India are treated by the Modi government as a model minority.

Is that why they are getting killed there?

This is different from the Canadian Sikhs, a minority of whom are radicals.

BS. I know many Canadian Sikhs married to Hindus. You don't do that if you are radical. Not to mention they have MANY muslim friends there. Can't say that about Modi's followers.

So you do admit that that he is marginalizing minorities

Only the Muslims.

So he is marginalizing people.

But what did cause the country to almost fragment (and also to stay on topic) was Khalistan radicalism in the 1980s. When neither the BJP nor Modi was around.

No just Hindu racism has been around for a long time

He’s a terrorist to Indians. If taking him out makes India an authoritarian state then the U.S. CIA would be one too, not that that’s something we did not know.

He did it.

Is that an opinion or a fact? You must be knowing more than CSIS do about this matter.

Is that why they are getting killed there?

Again an opinion based on personal feelings than a fact. Give me sources that Modi or BJP government is calling for a Sikh genocide.

I know many Canadian Sikhs married to Hindus. You don't do that if you are radical. Not to mention they have MANY muslim friends there.

I mentioned a minority.

BTW, the Sikh radicals never believed in superiority of their religion. They only wanted a separate Sikh nation. They can fight for that in Canada, since the Sikhs in India have moved on from those days and consider themselves an integral part of the country.

No just Hindu racism has been around for a long time

Sure, as long as Islamic fundamentalism. Since Pakistan has its own Punjab from where Sikhs were driven out at the time of Partition, these Khalistanis can also go to Pakistan to demand their Khalistan. But I have a feeling that you will not be happy about that.

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

He did it.

Is that an opinion or a fact? You must be knowing more than CSIS do about this matter.

Ok, but tell me this- would you condemn Modi if in fact there was proof that he did it?

Is that why they are getting killed there?

Again an opinion based on personal feelings than a fact. Give me sources that Modi or BJP government is calling for a Sikh genocide.

Umm. Actions speak louder than words. And Modi has moved to marginalize minorities there.

I know many Canadian Sikhs married to Hindus. You don't do that if you are radical. Not to mention they have MANY muslim friends there.

I mentioned a minority.

Like YOU said- give me sources.

BTW, the Sikh radicals never believed in superiority of their religion. They only wanted a separate Sikh nation. They can fight for that in Canada, since the Sikhs in India have moved on from those days and consider themselves an integral part of the country.

Really? Are you speaking for the Sikhs now or are you simply repeating Modi' Propaganda?

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

disgusting isn't it?

Really? So your answer is its ok to violate a Sovern nation's borders and conduct international assassinations??

WoW, so you support these terrorist types, I am all for any intelligence agency in any country going preemptively after these types, and not after they have carried out there attacks..

Ok, but tell me this- would you condemn Modi if in fact there was proof that he did it?

I already condemn Modi and wish he is kicked out of power and made to answer for his crimes.

But I would absolutely not condemn Modi if there is in fact proof that he did this. Just like I didn't condemn Obama when he violated the sovereignty of a country and brought to book an enemy of the state, especially since the country whose sovereignty was violated was unwilling to do anything about the terrorists hiding there in plain sight.

And Modi has moved to marginalize minorities there.

I have given sources related to Modi’s outreach to Sikhs, and the fact that Sikhs both in India and overseas have acknowledged the same.

You have not given me anything but your opinion based on hearsay.

Are you speaking for the Sikhs now or are you simply repeating Modi' Propaganda?

The Sikhs speak for themselves. In Punjab elections they have repeatedly voted out separatist parties, like the one run by Simranjit Singh Mann, an Indian Sikh who is also a Khalistan advocate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simranjit_Singh_Mann

He got re-elected again in Punjab last year after a gap of 2 decades, but his party does not have any substantial following at state level.

https://theprint.in/opinion/simranjit-singh-mann-is-reborn-because-theres-an-uneasy-vacuum-in-punjab/1015190

WoW, so you support these terrorist types, I am all for any intelligence agency in any country going preemptively after these types, and not after they have carried out there attacks..

No. I am about diplomacy and the rule of law. Not the law of the jungle where international assassinations across borders is the norm.

Maybe lay off the expendables trilogy..

I already condemn Modi and wish he is kicked out of power and made to answer for his crimes.

We are in total agreement there.

But I would absolutely not condemn Modi if there is in fact proof that he did this.

So you would support this. WOW.

Just like I didn't condemn Obama when he violated the sovereignty of a country and brought to book an enemy of the state, especially since the country whose sovereignty was violated was unwilling to do anything about the terrorists hiding there in plain sight.

If you are talking about Osama Bin Laden and trying to compare that raid to what Modi did you are REALLY reaching. Osama was not only the US's enemy but an enemy of the whole planet. I support what Obama did, but trying to compare the Canadian gov to Pakistan's ISI is plain ridiculous

Nothing new about state sponsored Terrorism, we have seen over and over and it is almost ignored by most since they all are involved in one way or another.

It's a matter of domestic politics for Trudeau. These days, it seems like nobody pays much attention to Canada. Day by day, Canada appears to be becoming less relevant in geopolitics.

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

That was because this was before the BRICS summit where Modi was counted on to vote against expansion and the G20 where Modi was again counted on to make a G20 statement against Russia. He delivered neither hence this episode.

The murder did not occur just recently but back in June. They needed Modi. Now the need for Modi is less and this will be leverage to use against India to work against China.

if Trudeau has evidence, he should show it to Modi first

OK, I don't know if Modi is caught offguard, but Bloomberg reports that Canadian security and diplomatic channels told Indian counterparts weeks ago, ie before the recent Modi/Trudeau meeting at the G20.

Canadian allies were also caught offguard that India Modi would be so defensive, as obviously enough evidence has been gathered and corroborated with allies that denial would paint India as untrustworthy. This is normal for Indian politics, but on the world stage, IMHO it's damaging Modi, BIG.

Osama was not only the US's enemy but an enemy of the whole planet. I support what Obama did, but trying to compare the Canadian gov to Pakistan's ISI is plain ridiculous

The Khalistanis, especially those who give up peaceful means of demanding their own nation (of which there are enough means available) and take the path of violence, are an enemy of India.

And the fact is that Canada has not done anything about them because Canadian Sikhs are a powerful vote bank in Canada today.

It's the same reason why Canada has not done enough about the Lower Mainland gang conflict in which an outsized proportion of Sikhs are involved, ever since the days of Bhupinder Singh 'Bindy' Johal who became a figurehead for the Sikh youths in Canada.

This is normal for Indian politics, but on the world stage, IMHO it's damaging Modi, BIG.

All Modi cares about is winning the next elections. If Indians think that the killing of Nijjar was justified in the larger interests of the nation, even those who normally dislike Modi would rally behind him. Even his state visits to the US are more intended to impress the domestic audience.

For the Indians it doesn't matter what judgemental outsiders who relish India bashing think.

The Khalistanis, especially those who give up peaceful means of demanding their own nation (of which there are enough means available) and take the path of violence, are an enemy of India.

And the fact is that Canada has not done anything about them because Canadian Sikhs are a powerful vote bank in Canada today.

It's the same reason why Canada has not done enough about the Lower Mainland gang conflict in which an outsized proportion of Sikhs are involved, ever since the days of Bhupinder Singh 'Bindy' Johal who became a figurehead for the Sikh youths in Canada

IF that is indeed true then Modi should have gone through the proper diplomatic channels and pressured Canada to comply with international law. What Modi did is a violation of international law.

This is normal for Indian politics, but on the world stage, IMHO it's damaging Modi, BIG.

I agree. And like I said, Modi like Xi and Putin, will drag his country down and it will fracture even more.

spinToday  12:24 pm JST

*It's a matter of domestic politics for Trudeau. *These days, it seems like nobody pays much attention to Canada. Day by day, Canada appears to be becoming less relevant in geopolitics.

That's always the way it's been cause that's the way we like it. It's recent domestic incidents with China and now India that has forced our hand in international politics. Aside from your long-standing, historic allies, what's the benefit of getting involved in geopolitics when so many countries and regions are unstable and constantly changing.

Maybe lay off the expendables trilogy...

That says it all...another victim of the narrative...

Maybe lay off the expendables trilogy...

That says it all...another victim of the narrative...

Whatever...

IF that is indeed true then Modi should have gone through the proper diplomatic channels and pressured Canada to comply with international law.

India has tried all that before. Hardeep Singh Nijjar was put on an Interpol RCN, and India had handed over his name along with that of other radical Khalistanis to Trudeau when he visited India in 2018.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/khalistan-outfits-chief-nijjar-was-wanted-by-the-nia-and-punjab-police-in-multiple-cases/article67323323.ece/amp/

As I have mentioned, Canada and especially Trudeau has been unwilling to do anything about them because of domestic political compulsions. Trudeau's minority government is propped up by NDP led by Jagmeet Singh, another Khalistani sympathizer.

Terry Milewski, an ex-CBC correspondent and author of 'Blood for Blood - Fifty Years of the Global Khalistan Project', covers in detail in his well researched book why Canada has turned a blind eye to these radical Sikh elements.

IMHO, if Trudeau has evidence, he should show it to Modi first before going public with it, basic statecraft. Trudeau AND Modi are not playing the diplomacy card here, they've got some other personal domestic political agenda.

He did do that actually. The Canadian government communicated this to India weeks ago and Trudeau met personally with Modi at the G20 summit and privately informed him of the allegations and evidence before going public.

As a Canadian I'm quite concerned about this and don't like the way the Indian government is just stonewalling about it. If the Indian government is sending agents to Canada to kill Canadian citizens then I think every Canadian should be bloody furious about that, and rightly so.

As a Canadian I'm quite concerned about this and don't like the way the Indian government is just stonewalling about it. If the Indian government is sending agents to Canada to kill Canadian citizens then I think every Canadian should be bloody furious about that, and rightly so.

I agree wholeheartedly.

As I have mentioned, Canada and especially Trudeau has been unwilling to do anything about them because of domestic political compulsions. Trudeau's minority government is propped up by NDP led by Jagmeet Singh, another Khalistani sympathizer.

Regardless, that does NOT justify the assassination of Canadian citizens.

And had Nijar been an American Modi would not have had the balls to pull that crap off in the US

If the Indian government is sending agents to Canada to kill Canadian citizens then I think every Canadian should be bloody furious about that, and rightly so.

So were you as furious about the bombing of Air India Kanishka in 1985 and the fact that 329 people including 268 Canadians were killed? And that CSIS had enough opportunity to prevent it but ended up destroying evidence to cover their backs? And the fact that the perpetrators walked free and went on to live 'respected' lives in Canada?

And why is the Trudeau government up in arms about Nijjar but has turned a blind eye to Karima Baloch, another dissident found dead under mysterious circumstances but one who was not a petty criminal.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/karima-baloch-pakistani-human-rights-activist-found-dead-in-canada

Selective outrage is a thing.

But also shows that Baloch activists are not as well funded as the Sikh Khalistanis.

So were you as furious about the bombing of Air India Kanishka in 1985 and the fact that 329 people including 268 Canadians were killed? And that CSIS had enough opportunity to prevent it but ended up destroying evidence to cover their backs? And the fact that the perpetrators walked free and went on to live 'respected' lives in Canada?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that the Air India bombing gave the Indian government, 38 years after the fact, carte blanche to start murdering Canadians in Canada. I must have missed that part of international law class.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that the Air India bombing gave the Indian government, 38 years after the fact, carte blanche to start murdering Canadians in Canada. I must have missed that part of international law class.

LOL! Good one mate!

I didn't know that the Air India bombing gave the Indian government, 38 years after the fact, carte blanche to start murdering Canadians in Canada.

Did you miss the part about your government not doing enough to bring the perpetrators to book? That your government has turned a blind eye to the radical elements within the Sikh diaspora for the sake of votes?

If Modi did in fact order Nijjars killing he has to answer for it. But the way the Canadian government is going about it while ignoring another comparable crime will only cause Indians to rally behind him. That’s not good for either Canada or India.

Did you miss the part about your government not doing enough to bring the perpetrators to book? That your government has turned a blind eye to the radical elements within the Sikh diaspora for the sake of votes?

Sorry, Federal prosecutors executing a bungled investigation 38 years ago does NOT make it OK for the Indian government to start murdering Canadian citizens in Canada. End of story.

But the way the Canadian government is going about it while ignoring another comparable crime will only cause Indians to rally behind him. 

Oh yes, the problem of India exporting its own internecine conflicts to Canada, a country which had absolutely nothing to do with the underlying dispute between Sikhs and Hindus in India, and then deciding on its own that Canada wasn't doing an adequate job of dealing with India's exported problem and thus deciding to send agents to start murdering people in Canada is clearly a Canadian failure that Canada absolutely should not be complaining at all to India about.

the problem of India exporting its own internecine conflicts to Canada

It comes down to why Canada gives asylum/citizenship to these elements who then plot terror against India from Canadian soil?

India wouldn't have exported its Khalistan problem to Canada if Canada wasn’t willing to import it.

I would blame Canada's lax immigration laws, but then that's me. Being a Canadian you would have a better answer I suppose.

It comes down to why Canada gives asylum/citizenship to these elements who then plot terror against India from Canadian soil?

India wouldn't have exported its Khalistan problem to Canada if Canada wasn’t willing to import it.

I would blame Canada's lax immigration laws, but then that's me. Being a Canadian you would have a better answer I suppose.

Yup yup, everything India does is Canada's fault, got it.

everything India does is Canada's fault

India or the Indian government didn't send Khalistanis to Canada. They went on their own to escape Indian laws and justice, and because it was easier for them to sponsor their nefarious agenda from Canada.

The fact that Canada chose to give shelter to them and not extradite them to India is Canada's choice.

Still doesn't justify the killing of Nijjar. But that's the way things have turned out.

deanzaZZRToday 10:21 am JST

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

You do know that Canada does not have a Congress, right?

quercetumToday 12:48 pm JST

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

That was because this was before the BRICS summit where Modi was counted on to vote against expansion and the G20 where Modi was again counted on to make a G20 statement against Russia. He delivered neither hence this episode.

The murder did not occur just recently but back in June. They needed Modi. Now the need for Modi is less and this will be leverage to use against India to work against China.

I highly doubt Canada is sufficiently coordinated with the US to hold back on this just because an investment club is expanding. Also anyone with a brain knows that 1.4 billion people are not going to be pressured into anything.

India or the Indian government didn't send Khalistanis to Canada. 

Oh, where did they come from then? Brazil?

They went on their own to escape Indian laws and justice, and because it was easier for them to sponsor their nefarious agenda from Canada.

Gee, if they were so bad you'd have thought India would have arrested them or something rather than letting them freely leave the country. Guess that is Canada's fault too?

The fact that Canada chose to give shelter to them and not extradite them to India is Canada's choice.

Yup, its a shame that India turned what should have been a dispute about whether or not Canada should extradite individuals wanted in India (which, hey, India might have been right about) into a dispute about the Indian government killing Canadian people in Canada (which, hey, India is definitely in the wrong about).

if they were so bad you'd have thought India would have arrested them or something rather than letting them freely leave the country.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar came to Canada on a fake passport. He fled India to escape arrest and sought asylum in Canada which was rejected twice.

Canada has not been careful about the kind of people they are letting into the country.

Now you will turn around and say that India should not have allowed him to leave, but India was fighting a full fledged insurgency in Punjab and much of the state was out of control in those days.

Now you will turn around and say that India should not have allowed him to leave, but India was fighting a full fledged insurgency in Punjab and much of the state was out of control in those days.

Not seeing how any of that is Canada’s problem, or how any of this in any way means its OK for the Indian government to murder people in Canada.

Not seeing how any of that is Canada’s problem, or how any of this in any way means its OK for the Indian government to murder people in Canada.

Murder Canadian people in Canada.

And exactly.

Not seeing how any of that is Canada’s problem

It has ended up becoming Canada's problem now that Indian agents have decided to knock out one of these Khalistanis.

Modi is pretty stupid if he ordered this himself, but only because the Khalistan movement has fizzled out in India already. If he is ready to risk a diplomatic fallout because of this petty criminal its his call.

There are bigger fugitives hiding in Pakistan that India should focus on (Dawood Ibrahim for one) but I suppose Modi has gone for a low hanging fruit because he sees that the rewards outweigh the risks.

Rubbing Canada off the wrong way is no big deal. As someone rightly said, Modi wouldn't have done it if it were an American.

It has ended up becoming Canada's problem now that Indian agents have decided to knock out one of these Khalistanis.

And now Canada is making that India's problem.

And why is the Trudeau government up in arms about Nijjar but has turned a blind eye to Karima Baloch, another dissident found dead under mysterious circumstances but one who was not a petty criminal.

Nobody outside of the investigation fully knows what evidence of that killing exist and what is needed yet to conduct a successful prosecution. Some might think they do but I have seen enough wild fabrications in the press written about projects I was directly involved in to be a little bit doubtful when someone claims to know information that is normally closely held. Like me in those situations the people who know the truth cannot blog about it so the only thing the gentle read knows is the bs being spread by people who are outside of the project and know nothing.

In the Nijar case I have read that US intelligence services were warning the Canadians of one or more plots against Nijar and that quite a bit of the hard evidence comes from US sources. Again, no way for me to know what is or is not true here, just things I have read on the matter. Again, as above, that could also be complete bs. We will only know when the evidence is presented.

And to think PM Modi was given the supreme honor to address Congress only a few months ago.

You do know that Canada does not have a Congress, right?

I guess YOU forgot that Mr. Modi was feted by the US Congress recently, right? It torqued my jaw at the time so I remember it.

Sorry, Federal prosecutors executing a bungled investigation 38 years ago does NOT make it OK for the Indian government to start murdering Canadian citizens in Canada. End of story.

Sigh. Lots of murders are never prosecuted because evidence sufficient to prosecute someone isn't there. That is a natural consequence of having a criminal justice system that relies on convincing every member of a jury beyond a reasonable doubt of the guilt of the accused. As awful as it sounds it is always better to let some crimes go unpunished than to punish the innocent for something they didn't do. The reason this is true is because when there is a widespread belief that being honest and upright is no guarantee you won't be arrested and thrown in prison then there is no longer any reason to obey any law. Why worry about obeying the law if you know you are probably going to be arrested for something anyway?

Lots of murders are never prosecuted because evidence sufficient to prosecute someone isn't there.

If you know anything about the way the Kanishka bombing case was handled, you will understand that the CSIS had all the evidence but they chose to destroy it because they had collected that evidence without authorization.

In other words, privacy laws were their priority instead of making sure that the masterminds were convicted.