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JeffLee
There's a lot more crime in Canada now compared to when I was a kid. My parents started locking their front door at night for the first time in the late 90s. Sad that we had to give up something were used to be proud of because of a few really bad people and the authorities' increasingly lenient treatment of them.
bass4funk
Seems like Canada is finally waking up. Everyone has the right to protect themselves and not be sitting ducks to growing criminal population. A win for the law-abiding folks.
rainyday
In the rest of the world we recognize that keeping weapons out of the hands of bad guys in the first place is more effective than a system where everyone is supposed to be armed all the time to protect them from bad guys who, thanks to the lack of gun control, are armed to the teeth.
sf2k
As animal farming continues to diminish in favour of more profitable plant based ones this isn't a big deal
sf2k
Not with lethal force, no
You realize this is Canada ?
Aly Rustom
Canada's gun homicide rate is a fraction of the United States' rate, 2020 data showed, but is still higher than other wealthy countries and has been rising, with handguns the main weapon used in the majority of firearm-related violent crimes between 2009 and 2020.
Well then, just ban all hand guns, automatic and semi automatic guns as well as shot guns. actual hunting rifles are perfectly fine on the farm, but all guns should be banned in the city limits
Exactly! Well said!
Hear! Hear!
Johnken6
Hunters = weak wimps who cannot face their prey man to man.
Hiding behind a gun to feel manly is so weak.
RKL
Right to bear arms.
Aly Rustom
You don't hunt game birds with shot guns. Those are rifles. My father was a hunter who hunted game birds.
I used to hunt with him.
Shotguns are assault weapons. Ban all those.
Hunting rifles- not a problem
wallace
I have hunted game birds with shotguns which are the usual weapons used. But you have to get the lead shot out of the bird before eating it. Shotguns, at least in Europe are the most common weapon owned by farmers.
Canadians do not have the right to bear arms.
wallace
It is very common in the British countryside to go shooting for game with shotguns. I have no problem with that provided the birds are eaten.
"The Supreme Court of Canada has noted on several occasions that, unlike in the United States, there is no “right to bear arms” in Canada. Relevant court cases include R. v. Hasselwander (1993); R"
wallace
Shotguns are cheaper than rifles.
OssanAmerica
Farmers and Hunters dont use military-type semi-auto rifles as they are 5.56mm caliber, not useful for hunting. And hunters have no need for high capacity magazines. Nor do thet need 9 shot 12g shotguns, and most certainly do not need handguns.
So what exactly was targeting "Farmers and Hunters"???
Aly Rustom
rifles are used to hunt game. Shotguns are usually single barreled and pack much larger ammunition. Some shotguns are indeed used for hunting but they are mainly used in Africa to hunt large game such as Elephants and Rhino.
Aly Rustom
I checked your website out and all the guns listed there are rifles, not shotguns. I think we are just differing on the terminology of what a shotgun means. Or it could be that the legal classification of what constitutes a shotgun has changed since the 1990s. I've only been hunting a few times since then, and ever since my father who was also my hunting partner passed away, I've not hunted at all.
Aly Rustom
I did.
The rifles I used NEVER fired bullets. They fired shots. Usually rock salt.
I'm not confused at all. Like I said, I used to hunt AND had to take courses to be allowed to hunt with my father. I have a hunting license (don't know if its still valid)
What I said was criteria and classifications MAY change over time.
I'm curious to what experience you have with guns and hunting.
Aly Rustom
I think it would depend on what you are hunting.
Interesting. My father was from Syria and we had a farm as well, though I didn't live there for extended periods of time since he worked for WHO, but our summers were spent there hunting. My father hunted ducks and quail as I did, but only he had deer hunting experience- I didn't.
Agree 100%
Aly Rustom
For me, it came second to Martial Arts and Bodybuilding. Although I love camping very much.
You are so lucky. Venison is my favorite meat hands down.
Absolutely. To answer your first question above, any hunting firearm should be legal, but with checks and balances and proper qualifications. Any firearm that is not used for hunting should be outlawed.
Aly Rustom
Yeah but i don't if I want a beginner holding a gun- especially a semi-A at that! If someone wants to own a gun, they should get licensed first and show that they can actually shoot. We require licenses for people to drive, and so hunters have to show that they actually know how to handle a weapon.
RKL
Canadians are right to bear arms.
Especially for hunting.
Alyssa
Perhaps the ostensible goal wasn't to target guns used by hunters/farmers but unquestionably it is to erode current gun-ownership rights. It was introduced the same year after the shooting in Uvaldale ... in the US, not Canada. However, if the cause is an increase in crime, which is stated at the end of the the article, why not post this directly rather than merely allude to it. It takes only a moment to hyper-link your sources. I did the footwork, and here is the first highlight:
"Firearm-related violent crime represents a small proportion of police-reported violent crime in Canada, accounting for 2.8% of all victims of violent crime reported by police in 2020."
Plus, the police reported stats of all crime from 2009~2016 show that violent crime accounts for 20%. Of that 20% slice of the pie, only 3% is firearm-related violence. Hmmm. I'm not statatician but this isn't adding up especially when the lockdowns and government overreach mandates in Canada during the coronavirus outbreak were present in 2020.
Reading the article again and then looking at the Statistics Canada website gives the strong impression of bias and agenda-driving reporting.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-005-x/2018001/article/54962-eng.htm
wallace
Owning a gun in Canada is a privilege, not a right. The gun owners probably believe it is right to own one.
In 1993 a Supreme Court of Canada decision concluded Canadians have no constitutional right to bear arms.
How many own guns?
13%. Way down on American gun ownership of 37%.
Aly Rustom
Agree 100%
Aly Rustom
fatrainfallingintheforest
Can I just ask where you grew up? Where was the family farm?
Hope I'm not being intrusive. If so I apologize.
Aly Rustom
No problem. I totally understand.
Cheers.
Aly Rustom
anytime. I hope we can have more. You are always welcome to contact me via Facebook if you like. Would love to chat more.
Its ok. Had a lot worse believe me.
Alyssa
fallingintherainforest
"They don't have gun-ownership rights presently. They have privileges, which is as it should be."
Actually, Canadians do have legally protected gun-ownership rights. This is explicitly, and I do mean explicitly, outlined in the Canadian Criminal Code and the Firearms Act. I am unsure what you mean by privilege here as a differential.