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nath
Can always make prostitution legal to alleviate this problem.
MarkG
Won't stop the profit margin using desperately poor prostitutes either. It may have had the borderline age groups also not to mention the absence of annual checks for STD's as in Vegas. Caching! For the pimps....
It may have been an Asian attraction specialty service catering to Asian clients and those who would pay for the perceived innocence also. Otherwise, plenty of potential prostitutes in North America to fill the demand for the perverts.
toshiko
@MarkG: absence of annual checks for STD's as in Vegas
Explain what you wrote. What STD means?
Tokiyo
Sexually Transmitted Disease.
toshiko
FrancescoB
So the women are all automatically victims now? Interesting. Political correctness is another reason why this sort of thing will continue. All women who go to Canada to work as prostitutes can now just claim to be a victim. Well, unless of course political correctness does not deem them a victim from the outset.
Political correctness has also determined that no woman would willingly be a prostitute, because that is totally beneath any and all women. Next up is determining that all women in porn are victims too.
And by the way, men are all evil. How dare they pay for sex? So now we go after johns with both barrels.
toshiko
@France> Since I am the only one who wote Canada was victimized, you must be writing to me. Canada I mentioned is not the women, It is the name of the country. I wrote was. not are.
Elbuda Mexicano
Toshiko, STD is short Sexually Transmitted Disease, or in Japanese 性病ですね!
FrancescoB
No Toshiko I was not writing to you. I was addressing the article.
I did not say Canada was victimized. And I cannot see any clear proof that any these women were victimized. I read nothing about being shipped in via cargo container, being chained to beds, being beaten, being denied wages, locked in a room, being tricked, drugged, anything like that. Yet, the article claims they were "sexually exploited".
Well I counter claim that the johns were sexually exploited. They had to pay to get something as simple and fulfilling as sex! All they get is sex, and their money evaporates!
clamenza
FrancescoB - Did it occur to you that they came here under false pretences, as in real jobs? And sympathizing with the Johns?
Greasy...
nath
Is that what happened? Or are you just throwing out random 'what ifs'?
It's stupid that paying for sex from someone who is willing to sell it is illegal. People who get busted for it do deserve sympathy.
clamenza
Strangerland - Are you saying you know the facts? These women came all the way to Canada with the intention of prostituting themselves for a few weeks or months under no duress, eh?
And the johns who help feed the sex trafficking business are the real victims?
Greasy...
nath
No, I most definitely don't know the facts. That's why I was asking you to clarify whether you do, or if you were just speculating.
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know the facts. Do you?
clamenza
Strangerland - do a little research on sex trafficking and the overwhelming majority of Asian women who are its victims. You can draw your own conclusions and hopefully realize how gross you are in painting the johns as the victims here.
HonestDictator
Not all prostitutes are women... although the majority are women. As for the women willing to sell their bodys for cash to random strangers, I've not once heard a little girl say, "I want to be a prostitute!" when asked what she wants to be when she grows up. The only reasons a woman would sell her body is if she was forced into it, has a drug addiction, or extremely desperate. It's not full of women that are just nymphomaniacs...
@Strangerland, as clamenza said, look up sex trafficking and the sex slave trade that is still alive and well in the world. It's as simple as someone or some criminal organization plucking a child off the streets in anytown worldwide and grooming them into prostitution if they're not caught first. Surely you must see a lot of those missing children notices on milk cartons?
nath
Where have I claimed otherwise?
I have never painted the johns in this case as anything, much less the victims.
Are you reading someone else's posts? Because you are addressing me as if I have said things I have not said.
JeffLee
"We don’t know the exact number of victims,"
I would hesitate to call them "victims." We don't know the details, but seeing that they made arrangements with Triads, entered the country using false papers and then engaged in illegal activities, then they sure seem like criminals to any rational person.
Unless there's evidence they were forcefully removed from their homeland or were thoroughly duped throughout the entire process, then they are indeed "criminals."
clamenza
Annnnnd back up to your post at 11:50am...
Your point again?
nath
Why didn't you quote my entire comment? Let's review what the 'it' in 'people who busted for it do deserve sympathy':
Again, I made no judgement on the johns in this case whatsoever.
I've never heard anyone say that they wanted to be a janitor when they grow up either. And yet, there are plenty of janitors in the world.
And as for their only being those three options:
Source: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/most-sex-workers-satisfied-with-their-jobs-and-dont-see-themselves-as-victims-survey-finds
clamenza
ahhh Strangerland. Your desperate retort is a hugely criticized study of 218 Canadian women that completely ignores sex trafficking. Lets read a few paragraphs down, shall we...
Oh dear...
nath
Again, you ignore my actual comments. My 'desperate retort' was in response to this comment:
To which I pulled an article that shows that the the listed reasons are not the only three reasons a woman would choose to sell her body.
Anything else you'd like to try attribute to me that I've never said? You can continue to try to pull comments out of context, and I'll be happy to provide that context for you.
Moderator
Readers, please stop bickering. Focus your comments on the story and not at each other.
toshiko
In many places in U/SA cities, prostitution is illegal, For instance Las Vegas. If Las Vegas METRO street cops catch a person negotiating such action, both of them get arrested. Again, there is no annual STD check in Vegas, They go to cells with people who urinated on street and drunk on outside, Don;t believe annual STD checks in Vegas type lies. It is hot and you may see bikini clad girls on streets but they are show girls in casinos. There are many arrest of people who mistook them as hookers and arrested, then registered in pervert data base. Canada is doing right thing. First step but right thing.
FrancescoB
Wow. This is really fascinating. I wrote that I saw no proof of being tricked, drugged, chained to beds, locked in rooms, beaten, denied wages, or shipped in via cargo container.
Did it occur to me that they came here under false pretenses. Uh, it did occur to me that they may have come here under false pretenses, yeah. That is why I used the word "tricked".
I still see no proof that they were. Your speculations don't amount to proof.
For the record, I extremely against sexual slavery. However, I am also vehemently opposed to the politically correct insanity that all prostitutes are innocent victims who never once considered prostituting as easier money than working some other job. I submit that not all women are the same. Those who consider prostituting as a worthwhile job might be a minority, but lets consider that women like Dr. Brooke Magnanti do exist and they deserve respect same as women who are too good even for their own husbands.
clamenza
Nope. Ive already exposed your lack of sympathy for human trafficking and your empathy for johns. Your strange tangent about a "Dr. Brooke so and so" (which has ZERO to do with the story) shows that you desperately want to deflect attention away.
Mapip
I don't feel that anyone here is arguing whether sex trafficking exists or not -or that is terrible. There is a discrepancy though between the article mentioning "victims" and "two others are still wanted by police, including a woman alleged to have recruited young women into the prostitution ring". When a person is recruited for an activity, such as a sports team or the military, it does not mean forced enrollment. That some of these 500 victims may have been "recruited" conflicts with the notion that they are victims in the first place. If the recruiting was based totally on lies, such as being told initially to cook pad thai and are instead forced to work as a dancer at a night club, that may be different. But, if the "victims" in question knew that they would be working in the sex trade, and joined regardless, then a considerable amount of responsibility must be attributed to them. Sure, it may be easy for an experienced recruiter to fascinate the young mind with promises of riches and lavish realities while dodging the potential consequences involved with working as a prostitute. However, we cannot assume that each prostitute "recruited" into this ring was helpless when making their decision -I'm sure they had parenting or social informing against being a prostitute, no?