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CDC changes course on indoor masks in some parts of U.S.

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By MIKE STOBBE

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The CDC following the scientific approach is sure to trigger our “conservative” posters. These are the people who scream, “It’s my body, so my choice” when it comes to vaccines, but want the government to control women’s bodies. Hypocrites.

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Citing new information about the variant's ability to spread among vaccinated people,

New information eh... meaning the old information they told you about these vaccines was wrong.

"Fully vaccinated" people are still spreading the virus.

Don't worry though, Big Pharma has booster upon booster ready to keep playing cat and mouse with this virus.

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"Fully vaccinated" people are still spreading the virus.

And unvaccinated people are spreading it a hundred times more.

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Burning Bush: Thanks for demonstrating me correct.

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I resent the CDC for this.

Where was the public announcement for this back in January? They should have told us that less than 60% of the population would choose to be fully vaccinated by now, predicted a variant would come out of India by spring, and to expect new mask recommendations by July based on the yet undiscovered variant. They really dropped the crystal ball on this one.

And why haven't they released best practices for January 2022 yet?

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And unvaccinated people are spreading it a hundred times more.

Actually, emerging evidence is showing that unvaccinated people develop noticeable symptoms and thus quickly get tested and self-isolate.

Whereas, vaccinated people do not develop symptoms and don't realize that they are carriers and spread the virus like wildfire as they go out and about their regular business.

A vaccine that merely hides the symptoms yet allows for continued transmission is making everything worse, hence the sudden uptick in cases once vaccination programs got underway.

Japan posted their highest number every after vaccinations started.

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This is our future. Sad fact is that the vaccines versus continually evolving variants is no contest. Vaccines provide some protection and reduce symptoms but cannot prevent ongoing spread of the virus. Similar to the annual flu cycle.

Eventually lockdown and mask mania will be overtaken by the basic social and economic facts.

My guess is that we will never entirely escape restrictions though.

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Actually, emerging evidence is showing that unvaccinated people develop noticeable symptoms and thus quickly get tested and self-isolate.

You made that up.

A vaccine that merely hides the symptoms yet allows for continued transmission is making everything worse, hence the sudden uptick in cases once vaccination programs got underway.

This is dangerous misinformation and should be moderated.

Japan posted their highest number every after vaccinations started.

This statement is downright silly.

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"Fully vaccinated" people are still spreading the virus.

In other words, the virus renains a great danger to many, and to think troll nations and individual trolls have long been downplaying its seriousness, the trolls dismissed Covid as just another flu, even denied its existence, claimed it was a hoax.

I assume many of those who posted messages claiming Covid was not something to be concerned about, were and are those not personally affected, and did not have family and friends who were.

Not surprising many saying Covid was a nothing burger, probably said that because it hit others hardest, not their groups, i.e. it hit those at the lower ends of the economic spectrum , especially Blacks, Hispanics, and Natives particularly hard. White nationalists and others in the extreme right pushing eugenics in attempts to further splinter societies are the scourge of the planet.

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If the anti-mask, anti-vaccine people won’t do what is necessary to protect themselves and help get through this then they only have themselves to blame. This is not the fault of those who choose to get vaccinated. Anti-vaccine ultimately amounts to pro-illness

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Telling vaccinated Americans to put masks back on is not going to inspire those who are still unvaccinated to get the jab now is it?

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@Haaa Nemui agreed, "not their fault" yet the vaccinated get punished for compliance. How does this make sense? This "remasking" tactic will only further convince the unvaccinated to NOT get the jab.

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the truth actually made it into the article how did that happen?

The CDC may be seen as “flip-flopping,” he said, because there’s been no widely recognized change in the science, he said.

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I will get my second shot this week friday.

But even after I am fully vaccinated, I will continue with my personal preventions.

Which means, wearing mask, use hand sanitizer and keep social distance where it is possible.

Many people say, including Biden I guess, you can throw away your mask after you are fully vaccinated.

But I will not do that.

I will wait and see until at least 80% of the population in japan are vaccinated.

There are many events in Florida, Texas...going on with full packed arenas and nobody is wearing masks.

I am not sure if that is a good idea.

Probably too early.

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It doesn’t.

Yes it does.

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This pandemic is being extended because anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists refuse to mask-up, claim they are vaccinated but refuse to provide evidence. They are the ones responsible.

We see their anti-science, conspiracy-hinged fever-dream claims here everyday.

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That could possibly be true if vaccinated people weren’t also catching and spreading COVID.

explain a vaccinated person infecting an unvaccinated person.

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Blacklabel: despite goal post moving by liberals the vaccine was supposed to prevent people from getting/transmitting COVID. 

Fake news.

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The Venn-Diagram of people who don't vax and wont mask, and those embracing the Big Lie is a perfect circle. They are one in the same. It's a cult.

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@BB

Actually, emerging evidence is showing that unvaccinated people develop noticeable symptoms and thus quickly get tested and self-isolate.

I assume this evidence came from the imaginary study that you did personally in your spare time? /smh

@Blacklabel

explain a vaccinated person infecting an unvaccinated person

Not that difficult. Vaccines are only 95% effective, or 88% against the Delta variant, so a small percentage have the possibility of contracting the virus and easily passing it to those that stupidly remain unvaccinated and unprotected.

Now if everyone were vaccinated the rate of transmission would be so low that the virus would have difficulty finding a host and the pandemic would be nearing an end.

One of the biggest problems is made up “evidence” against vaccination that we so often see on this board!

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5-12% is not a small percentage.

Not that difficult. Vaccines are only 95% effective, or 88% against the Delta variant, so a small percentage

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What you are NOT being told is that deaths are down more than 90% from their peak, and they are not rising. Hell, they are even down 50% from two months ago. This virus is becoming weaker but more irritating, basically. When the head of the CDC said masks were no longer necessary, deaths were at about 600 per day. Now, less than 300. So what changed?

Also, pro tip... if you want unvaccinated people to get the vaccine, it is probably not a good idea to mock them, call them names, and impugn their motives. Better to acknowledge their ideas, approach with knowledge, and be patient.

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New information eh... meaning the old information they told you about these vaccines was wrong.

So there's this fun thing about science, it doesn't care about being right the first time. In fact, it wants to be proved wrong every step of the way. That's how we continue to develop science and deepen our understanding as we learn more about something.

Because something is proved wrong doesn't mean we should disregard all scientific approach, or that the people who created these theories to begin with are dishonest or idiots, or that the theory behind vaccines magically doesn't work. It means we are learning more and have a better understanding than we once did.

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Great, so what “science” now says vaccinated people need masks too?

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Great, so what “science” now says vaccinated people need masks too?

Correct. You do understand that science evolves with new information, correct?

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Ok so this new science identified to cause the change in policy is.......?

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Ok so this new science identified to cause the change in policy is.......?

There are way more doofuses refusing to get vaccinated dragging everyone back than expected. That's the new science.

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The CDC is now following the science and research instead of egotistical maniac/dictator wannabe who threatened to fire anybody who told the truth about the severity of the pandemic because they only wanted to get re-elected. The trump supporting uninformed are ruining the US recovery.

The vaccine will not make anyone immune to the virus. The vaccine reduces the severity of the symptoms or complications. The vaccine makes people asymptomatic hopefully. It means you get infected, but it will not harm you which also means that it can still be passed on to the unvaccinated. Therefore, vaccinated people can still test positive. It also depend on the timing of the infection. If you get your first shot then get infected while waiting 3 weeks, you will still test positive after receiving your second dose. Exactly like many Japan residents that only have the first shot and may not get their second within a reasonable amount of time.

That is why people are encouraged to wear masks.

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@Black

Great, so what “science” now says vaccinated people need masks too?

LOL!

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Ok so this new science identified to cause the change in policy is.......?

Reading the article before posting helps a lot.

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so In other words, none of you know either just following the narrative.

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Blacklabel

Yep small chance that someone is going to get the vaccine now so that they can still wear a mask anyway,

The reason to get a vaccine is to avoid dying from Covid and stop spreading it to others. This is still the case.

still get and transmit COVID plus now be affected by unknown future side effects.

The side effects of Covid are well known.

5-12% is not a small percentage.

Yes it is. 95% effectiveness against regular covid and 88% effectiveness against the delta virus is amazing for a vaccine.

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so In other words, none of you know either just following the narrative.

Incorrect.

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Science?

The vaccine makes people asymptomatic hopefully. 

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So in a population of 330 million we can expect up to 39 million breakthrough cases (vaccine failures) That’s not amazing at all.

Yes it is. 95% effectiveness against regular covid and 88% effectiveness against the delta virus is amazing for a vaccine.

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So in a population of 330 million we can expect up to 39 million breakthrough cases (vaccine failures) That’s not amazing at all.

Compared with 330 million cases it is, specially if those cases have a much lower risk of complications and death.

The false argument that things are only worthy if 100% effective is too obviously flawed, vaccines represent a huge advantage in comparison with not vaccinating, in the same way that antibiotics, surgeries, chemotherapy represent a huge advantage, even if none of those things are 100% effective either.

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It’s a shame that the development of vaccines became a political football during the US election last year.

Its not like Trump personally created the vaccines, so I don’t know why the vaccines and their quick availability were attacked (except for politics)

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so In other words, none of you know either just following the narrative.

Nah. In other words, you know exactly what's going on and will most certainly get vaccinated asap, but you just pretend you don't understand because trying to rile people up on a comment board is the only thing that gives a semblance of relevance and meaning to your sad and lonely life. That's about it.

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Blacklabel

So in a population of 330 million we can expect up to 39 million breakthrough cases (vaccine failures

No. Because vaccination rates are not 100%. Also, if 100% people get vaccinated, you can expect pretty much no breakthrough cases. That's because the virus would have stopped spreading and infection rates plummet. Think measles. Don't hear of many infections except through unvaccinated, even though it is one of the most infectious viruses.

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What's the point of getting the vaccine if you have to continue to wear a mask? Another reason not to get jabbed!

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El Rata

What's the point of getting the vaccine if you have to continue to wear a mask?

The point is to not get Covid and die. The mask thing is a small benefit. Life is the big picture.

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The point is to not get Covid and die. The mask thing is a small benefit. Life is the big picture.

Death will occur to all of us one way or another, it is a natural part of life, I'm not scared of it. I prefer to die like a man than living in constant fear. I still can't believe people like wearing those things, I respect it if you do, though. It is when it gets forced on others like me when we have a problem.

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@Hiroshi13 - that’s the thing. It’s completely misleading to say the vaccinated are being punished “for compliance” instead of “even though they have complied”. The real reason they are being punished is because of anti-mask, anti-vaccine people being unwilling to do what is necessary. Because of that, mask mandates continue. It’s basically the strong trying to protect the weak and then the weak blaming the strong for not being strong enough.

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President Joe Biden will announce on Thursday a requirement that all federal employees and contractors be vaccinated against Covid-19, or be required to submit to regular testing and mitigation requirements, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/27/politics/vaccine-mandate-for-federal-employees-under-consideration/index.html

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El Rata

Death will occur to all of us one way or another, it is a natural part of life, I'm not scared of it. I prefer to die like a man than living in constant fear.

Getting a vaccine means you don't have to live in fear. Also, if everyone gets vaccinated, you won't need to wear masks.

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vaccinated people living in fear now.

vaccinate people also wearing masks.

Getting a vaccine means you don't have to live in fear. Also, if everyone gets vaccinated, you won't need to wear masks.

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Blacklabel

vaccinated people living in fear now.

I doubt it. Do you have any evidence?

vaccinate people also wearing masks.

Is everybody vaccinated? No. So my comment applies.

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this can never happen. even if it did, the story would still be that vaccinated people need to wear masks.

Is everybody vaccinated? No. So my comment applies.

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you already forgot the vaccination narrative?

get vaccinated! then you cant get COVID, cant pass it to someone's Grandma and kill her, you can leave your mask at home and can return to a normal life!

has any of that happened for vaccinated people?

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Blacklabel

I expect you will be advising your American employee's to follow local rules and precautions?

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Each person can do their own risk assessment- at least that is what the head of the CDC said as recentlly as May. But you do not get to do so for other people.

And doctors wear masks because they are up close and personal with vulnerable people for extended time periods. Particularly during surgeries, in the presence of open wounds, and the like. I don't think doctors used to wear masks as they went about their daily lives, during simple consultations, etc.

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Dr. Fauci himself, said at the beginning of this circus that masks don't do a thing to prevent the spread of infection

No he didn't.

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The SOLE reason the CDC has advised everyone to mask up is because the core group of Trump supporters believe in conspiracy theories, refuse to vaccinate, refuse to mask up to protect others.

They are the reason for this pandemic extending into the fall.

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oh and not the fact that there are 10s of thousands of COVID cases among fully vaccinated people?

How politically convenient for the partisan narrative.

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And doctors wear masks because they are up close and personal with vulnerable people for extended time periods. 

Exactly, that's very perceptive of you! Now apply that reasoning to a whole country with an ongoing pandemic where you don't know who is sick or vulnerable and who isn't.

I don't think doctors used to wear masks as they went about their daily lives, during simple consultations, etc.

Have you ever been to a doctor in Japan pre-covid? They pretty much all wore masks for simple consultations as well. Because they knew they might be spending the day with sick people.

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Blacklabel

this can never happen. even if it did, the story would still be that vaccinated people need to wear masks.

No. But it doesn't need to. You only need to get to herd immunity.

get vaccinated! then you cant get COVID, cant pass it to someone's Grandma and kill her, you can leave your mask at home and can return to a normal life!

has any of that happened for vaccinated people?

Yes.

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Blacklabel

the story would still be that vaccinated people need to wear masks.

After herd immunity, no more masks.

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Jsapc: yes, in Japan doctors often wore masks pre-covid as a matter of habit. Mine didn't (at least when I was talking to him), but many others did. However, in a discussion about American politics this is not relevant.

And comparing walking through a shopping centre or store with the work of a surgeon is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? There is no reasoning to apply.

Especially people in the outdoors, fresh air, sunshine and breezes, there is exactly zero reason to wear a mask. Indoors, if you are going to be breathing a foot from another person for 20 minutes or more, then it may have some passing value. But that is a rare situation.

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P. SmithToday  07:12 am JST

The CDC following the scientific approach is sure to trigger our “conservative” posters. These are the people who scream, “It’s my body, so my choice” when it comes to vaccines, but want the government to control women’s bodies. Hypocrites.

Very hypocritical. if the USA had a real POTUS a year ago the number dead wouldn't be at the 600,000 mark but it is. This is no time for crackpot conspiracy theories or political games. Even the rotten CCP is doing a better job at fighting this, and they have over a billion in population.

Vaccination is a must and it should be enforced for everyone. If you don't get vaxxed, you shouldn't be allowed into certain functions or events or gatherings where you can infect others. It's that simple. No time or excuses for messing around!

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And comparing walking through a shopping centre or store

But you don't know who's walking around you. That's the whole point of a pandemic. Just like a doctor doesn't know what his patients are going to be carrying when they come to his office.

Especially people in the outdoors, fresh air, sunshine and breezes, there is exactly zero reason to wear a mask.

Except if you huddle in a group, drink, laugh and eject spittle at people around you (while inhaling your friends spittle), unfortunately. Which is what most of the youngsters are doing in Tokyo lately. I agree with you, the risk outside is minimal, but that doesn't mean it's not inexistant. I take my mask off when I walk in an empty street at midnight. But I wear it when I have to walk outside a crowded street or station. That's just the bare minimum precaution, for an extremely small inconvenience.

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A vaccine that merely hides the symptoms yet allows for continued transmission is making everything worse

No. It is only worst for unvaccinated people. If everyone without a medical reason NOT to be vaccinated actually did get vaccinated, then

fewer people would have symptoms,

fewer people would be in hospital,

fewer people would be dying.

At least it is the people who have be dumb that are hardest hit in the US. In places where vaccine doses are limited, those people have a good reason to be pissed at all the people who could, but won't get vaccinated.

Places with excess doses (or idiots refusing vaccination) should be shipping those to the places with the highest number of cases, like Indonesia. I'm very disappointed that the US has vaccines available for walk-in shots at every grocery, every corner drug store. This shouldn't be the case when there are millions of people waiting in lines for vaccination in the world.

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The false argument that things are only worthy if 100% effective is too obviously flawed

Everything Blacklabel posts is too obviously flawed because it comes from a position of wanting attention, not logic or reasoning. Vote down and leave him to it.

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