Charlottesville rally organizer flees news conference

I am sick of these guys with their oppression complex. You got to have your rally. You even got to have your press conference. Your ideas are being rejected. Freedom of speech does not mean everyone has to sit quietly and listen to whatever hateful and idiotic ideas you espouse. It means you can express your beliefs, which can then be shouted down in response.  

If you don't like it go back to your online echo chamber where you are safe to say what you want and get the validation you so desperately need because you are an otherwise weak and insecure human being.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Beatrice Evelyn Hall.

In a true free and civil society, everybody gets a chance to speak. Whether you agree with them or not.

Yes, in a free society, but I somehow think that freedom and civility are eroding very rapidly.

I am sick of these guys with their oppression complex. You got to have your rally. You even got to have your press conference. Your ideas are being rejected.

By the ANTIFA and the people that hate them, sure. Does that give you the right to try and shut them up?

Freedom of speech does not mean everyone has to sit quietly and listen to whatever hateful and idiotic ideas you espouse. It means you can express your beliefs, which can then be shouted down in response.

Ok, so in other words, you don't believe in freedom of speech, gotcha.

If you don't like it go back to your online echo chamber where you are safe to say what you want and get the validation you so desperately need because you are an otherwise weak and insecure human being.

Believe it or not, I agree with you and I want the counter protesters to say what they need to say, peacefully, but that usually doesn't happen and to do the same go back home to their parents and get back on the keyboard where they can't cause any damage and both of these idiots can leave us in peace.

I think it's best to avoid all MSM on this story.

From my my understanding of the what happened:

1 Unite the Right gets permit to protest at Lee Park

2 City decides to cancel Lee Park permit

3 The night before said protest, Judge overturns City. The protest can go ahead.

4 Protest goes foward, people peacefully assemble in Lee Park.

5 As soon as the park was full, and against the Judges orders, the event is quickly declared an illegal protest,

6 With riot police all around, and with the streets being allowed to be filled with anti-protestors, the Lee Park protestors are forced out into the streets, while the police stepped aside.

7 A well planned chaotic event. IMO, the Mayor and Governor of Virgina should also be held responsible for the young paralegal's murder as well.

If anyone can find fault with this timeline, please post it.

6 With riot police all around, and with the streets being allowed to be filled with anti-protestors, the Lee Park protestors are forced out into the streets, while the police stepped aside.

7 A well planned chaotic event. IMO, the Mayor and Governor of Virgina should also be held responsible for the young paralegal's murder as well.

I found two and yet, this seems to escape the radar of the MSM.

Deliberate? I would think so.

That is my understanding of the timeline as well. There are also videos of at least one of the protestors being beaten by the "peaceful" counter protestors. this was as the police forced them out of the park down a steeet lined with peaceful people who just happened to have sticks, bats and jars of urine with them.

And he was not 'shouted down' either.

The press conference ended when a man in a plaid shirt punched Mr. Kessler. Although the police detained him briefly, he was not arrested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html?smid=tw-share

But this is fine, cause he is a 'Nazi'. However what I notice is that anyone who says anything libs dont like is a Nazi now, its the go to phrase now that allows for assaults and violence on anyone with no consequences.

FizzBitToday  09:06 am JST

I think it's best to avoid all MSM on this story.

Hear, hear! The mainstream media have been almost criminally complicit in their distorted reporting of this event. The "counter protestors" as they're described by the MSM (notice how they never call the irony-challenged ANTIFA and BLM mobs far-left or extreme left) showed up and initiated the violence, pepper-spraying anyone who disagreed with their own contorted ideology. Whether they triggered the car murder is still open to question, but I agree with bass4funk that the left-wing extremists and the city officials should be held partly responsible for initiating and escalating the violence.

This is about 34 minutes and worth watching, IMO, from all sides. It goes much deeper than the planned Charlottesville chaos.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jgccg9xurE8

I watched 10 minutes of that, very, very interesting. The guy has a lot of solid points for sure.

Incidents like this are becoming more common as right wing groups intentionally book controversial and racist figures at college campuses, then arrive with cameras to record the protests. Check out Milo and Ann Coulter recently.

The right wing media does their part by giving heavy coverage to these events, and with that they are building a narrative that the left wing is violent.

Add to that, the NRA is releasing videos talking about the "violent left" and how the NRA will be strong and will defeat them, ending the message with a threatening, "We're coming for you" for the New York Times. Lord only knows what kind of war they are imagining in their minds right now.

It gets filtered down to the base, and recently we've seen posters here regurgitate the narrative. Bass has said he is afraid to walk the streets because he might get jumped by a liberal. Conservatives didn't say stuff like that a year ago. Not even 6 months has ago.

So that's what we're up against. They couldn't care less about white supremacist groups since they aren't a danger to them. But these violent leftists, well that's a matter of life and death.

Pretty scary, huh?

are building a narrative that the left wing is violent.

They are not building a narrative, they are capturing on video the violence that occurs. Why would Milo or Ann Coulter be physically threatened and have fires started and building windows broken out to prevent their use of the right to free speech? Public universities get public funding, so why would one group of violent people be able to damage public property and dictate who gets to speak and who doesnt?

Saw this on Twitter today, from cofounder of Vox Media:

NRA and American conservatives/Nazis are one and the same.

See how they do this? Nazi=all conservatives=NRA. Violence against hate some people can maybe understand. But violence against political thought?

He should have run straight to the White House, where he's assured protection from Trump.

They are not building a narrative, they are capturing on video the violence that occurs. Why would Milo or Ann Coulter be physically threatened and have fires started and building windows broken out to prevent their use of the right to free speech? 

The left doesn't value free speech and hasn't for a very long time since the 60's

Public universities get public funding, so why would one group of violent people be able to damage public property and dictate who gets to speak and who doesnt?

If the left speak and regardless of vile that is, it's always protected, the same can't be said for the right. Anything that comes out of a conservatives mouth is racist by default.

Poor Nazi fled like the coward he is, I guess he's lucky he didn't get a beat down for his complicity in the murder of the innocent woman. I'd be surprised if he ever goes out in public again.

All nazi rats should beware showing their faces in public ever again and should scurry back to their basements

All nazi rats should beware showing their faces in public ever again and should scurry back to their basements

And they should please take the ANTIFA scum with them

So that's what we're up against. They couldn't care less about white supremacist groups since they aren't a danger to them. But these violent leftists, well that's a matter of life and death.

And the equating of actual nazis with antifa. Jaw dropping stuff.

And exactly what the white supremacists want. To be portrayed as oppressed victims. To smear those who stand up against fascism. Classic stuff and history is full of it; the far right demonising those who reject them.

And they should please take the ANTIFA scum with them

I thinks it's well clear by now that this false equivalence argument is not a call for a consistent application of justice, but a defense of something clearly shameful, yet something that is held dear to some, something that forms an integral part of a considerable segment of the American public. Pretty sad when an aggressively anti-fascist movement is equated with a group that has the blood of millions on its hands.

Pretty sad when an aggressively anti-fascist movement causes a university chancellor to install an escape hatch in his office.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28349/

And the equating of actual nazis with antifa. Jaw dropping stuff.

To me it's jaw dropping that you don't.

And exactly what the white supremacists want. To be portrayed as oppressed victims.

That's one legitimate claim they have.

To smear those who stand up against fascism.

It ain't the ANTIFA, that's for darn sure!

Classic stuff and history is full of it; the far right demonising those who reject them.

And the same goes for the left.

I thinks it's well clear by now that this false equivalence argument is not a call for a consistent application of justice, but a defense of something clearly shameful, yet something that is held dear to some, something that forms an integral part of a considerable segment of the American public. Pretty sad when an aggressively anti-fascist movement is equated with a group that has the blood of millions on its hands.

I think it's saddening to even THINK that these groups are ignorant, selfish and want to impose their ideological thinking on the masses, the difference is, the Neo Nazis just want to be accepted and want to live separately in their own Valhalla fantasy, the radical Jihadist ANTIFA believe in stomping out free speech, if they don't agree with it, shut it down, these people could care less about the constitution or the right to speak. These people that claim they are better and are now realizing that the only thing these people care about is pushing their own political communist, socialist views.

Pathetic!