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Cheney is having another "senior moment".

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Noted: the architect of the Bush administration would rather follow an arch-conservative buffoon than entrust the Republican party to a moderate who has spent his life in the service of his country.

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"I didn't know he was still a Republican"

I can understand that, bein' as how he voted for Obama.

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Noted: the architect of the Bush administration would rather follow an arch-conservative buffoon than entrust the Republican party to a moderate who has spent his life in the service of his country.

SezWho,

Birds of a feather stick together. Both Cheney and Limbaugh are Chicken Hawks.

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For the life of me I cannot understand why Rush Limbaugh so terrifies "liberals."

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What is deadeye dick thinking about running for pres. God help us all.

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I was talking with a friend the other day about how fickle history is. Imagine how different the world would be today if someone would have liked hitler's art, prompting him to continue on as an artist. Imagine how different the world would be today if fidel castro would have had a fastball to accompany his curveball. Lastly, imagine how different the world would be today if dick cheney would have heard his true calling. dick cheney was born to play The Penguin.

For the life of me I cannot understand why Rush Limbaugh so terrifies "liberals."

Many of us have small, male children. For those that don't, I guess he would be like an Army recruiter to neo-cons.

Taka

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Pure class on the part of former Vice President Dick Cheney. Takes a lot of guts to back a demigogue schill over a true American hero. Then again, Cheney and Limbaugh share the same pedigree as Chicken Hawks, both having avoided service in Vietnam. What fine men of character both of these icons are (excuse me while I regurgitate my breakfast).

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Many of us have small, male children. For those that don't, I guess he would be like an Army recruiter to neo-cons.

Do you teach your son to equate Nazis like Adolf Hitler with democratically-elected American politicians his father happens to dislike and to refuse to capitalize their names?

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Do you teach your son to equate Nazis like Adolf Hitler with democratically-elected American politicians

Only with those who start unjustifiable wars. AH was also 'democratically elected'. It arguably means less today than it did then, considering the obscene amounts of money that go into 'selling' the candidates.

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That´s why Republicans are losing their ground: these radicals, truth-distorters like Chenney still captivate a diminutive crowd.

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The usual experts here really convince. These were the same people assuring us Cheney would flee to Dubai on or before Jan 21 2009.

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It arguably means less today than it did then,

You know the actual, sordid history of the Third Reich only because men like Bush's father saved England.

Don't forget.

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men like Bush's father saved England

Yeah, right. What a pity he didn't instil in his son a few of the principles he fought for.

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Good call Dick . Keeping the faith and follow your beliefs and following the correct path as ever.

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Way to kick the Republican Party while it's down, Dick!

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I see Obama falling in the polls, but I see no one even suggesting that a poll be taken on Rush............

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We win elections when we have good solid conservative principles to run upon.”

Huh? This from #2 in the administration which undertook the biggest expansion of the welfare state since LBJ??? Talk is cheap and successive Republican administrations proved incredibly expensive.

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Betzee

Talk is cheap and successive Republican administrations proved incredibly expensive.

Your children and grandchildren will be saying this too.

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Your children and grandchildren will be saying this too.

As a Buddhist I believe in reincarnation and therefore expect to be repeating it myself over several lifetimes.

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the republicans are the party of old tired angry white retired losers who feel that life has passed them by. Drug addict Limbaugh just fills their heads with more anger while he basically rips them off to get his $400 million contract completed.

Chairman Michael Steele has applied for bailout funds for the republican party, just like AIG. Both are stinking disasters. If Cheney and Limbaugh run the party then the democrats can run a turnip for president and win. Heck even Sarge could win once he goes democrat, which will happen soon no doubt.

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For the life of me I cannot understand why Rush Limbaugh so terrifies "liberals.""

Neither can I. Really, who listens to Rush? Even if they capture a crowd, its gotta be small. I don't know of anyone who likes either of them.

Still, one thing I will say about Powell, I do not think he would have tilted towards Obama if O had not been black. I understand it though. If a Hispanic ran and even counter to my position, I'd probably go for him too.

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Ah, what the hell; I've got a few moments to throw in my two yen worth.

Anyhoo, let's see what we've got on the menu today, kiddies:

teleprompter -

For the life of me I cannot understand why Rush Limbaugh so terrifies "liberals."

Believe me, Rush doesn't terrify us Americans; he's one of our favorite comedians! I'd love to see a Tiny Fey/Rush Limbaugh double-bill!

More from teleprompter -

Do you teach your son to equate Nazis like Adolf Hitler with democratically-elected American politicians his father happens to dislike and to refuse to capitalize their names?

Nope. I teach my kids to recognize disgraceful trash like george w bush and dick cheney for the greedy un-Americans they are, but also to respect the position of President of the United States of America, especially now that we have the first real President since the awful day bush was "elected". I'm quite pride of my kids, as is everyone else in our community.

Yet more from teleprompter -

You know the actual, sordid history of the Third Reich only because men like Bush's father saved England. Don't forget.

And my own father, a proud member of the US Army in the European Theater and proud Democrat all his a life. Dad was inarguably a great man. Of course, the difference between bush senior and Dad is that Dad's son (yes, that'd be me) actually served in the US military.

Ontopically, cheney backing limbaugh makes no difference. America has grown up and tagged the "republicans" for what they are - a dying minority of un-American, unpatriotic filth, unworthy of being remotely considered a party in American politics. Let them continue eating themselves and fading into obscurity. Pretty soon, the republicans will simply be a name in elementary school textbooks (like "Whigs") that gets talked about for 0.2 seconds and immediately dismissed as irrelevant.

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skipthesong,

what a idiotic thing to say about powell, and an echo of the limbuagh lies about Powell. If what you say is generally true then mccain, being white, would have captured all of the white vote and won last year. Some people can see beyond race to a person merits, others I guess are still trapped in the 1950s.

the only group that drugs limbaugh terrifies is other knucklehead conservatives who bow down to him. Like michael steele.

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Someone still, after several years here, needs to learn that it is impolite to ask repeated questions of others while avoiding questions posed to them.

But, who needs manners when you have a sense of entitlement the size of Western Japan.

Taka

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Nope. I teach my kids to recognize disgraceful trash like george w bush and dick cheney for the greedy un-Americans they are,

Do they notice the disconnect? You suiting up each day for 8 years for a man and a cause you did not believe in?

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You suiting up each day for 8 years for a man and a cause you did not believe in?

Well that just shows an utter lack of understanding of what it means to be in the military (having a phobia of serving a cause greater than oneself will do that to some).

Only a handful of us suit (or suited, in my case) up for a man (or a man-child for that matter). We did it for many reasons, most often with multiple reasons.

Some to better our life situation. Some for college money. Some out of family heritage.

But the overwhelming majority of those who have and do serve in the military do so, not for a man, like Pres. Obama or a sub-human, like bush and cheney, we did/do for the American people and for a "goddamn piece of paper."

To understand that concept, a person has to learn to think past "me." You are forgiven.

Taka

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The Marion,

You asked about rush limbaugh's popularity:

http://news.aol.com/main/politics/article/limbaugh-poll-rating/387342

According to the poll, limbaugh’s favorable rating stands at just 19 percent, a full 43 points lower than President Barack Obama’s.

Limbaugh’s unfavorable rating, meanwhile, stands at 40 percent, while 41 percent say they don’t know or don’t have an opinion. Not surprisingly, the conservative commentator, who has said he hopes that the president’s economic policies fail, is far more popular with Republicans – 47 percent view him favorably – than with Democrats, just seven percent of whom view him favorably.

It appears that rush is not that popular outside of "the base" (another name for the figurative, lowest common denominator).

Taka

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telepromter -

Do they notice the disconnect? You suiting up each day for 8 years for a man and a cause you did not believe in?

Nope. They praised my commitment to my country, my duty, my oath, and particularly my hope for better days, which happily have arrived with the election of President of the United States of America Barack Hussein Obama.

It's called integrity. Look it up.

Moderator: Readers, please focus your comments on the topic, not at each other.

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As usual Powell is talking out his butt. It turns out he wasn't much of an officer, stunk as a secretary of state and not doing so well on preserving his legacy. Colin Powell is your typical by-product of affirmative action. I'd be more interested what a real general like Norm Schwarzkoff has to say.

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ome people can see beyond race to a person merits"

Not in this case. O did capture 95% of the black vote. Now, when we have two black candidates, then we'll see how that goes. Again, you didn't read properly. I said I understood why he went with O.

McCain couldn't get most of the white vote because there's nothing special about a white guy running.

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why is everyone agnry that Cheney is backing Limbaugh? Did you want him to back Powell? I think that would hurt him. This is hardly an issue.

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Dick Cheney is a failure who speaks for a failed party with failed principles that brought down a nation.

If he and his party had done a relatively good job based on a good policy platform, they would have won last November.

As it turns out, the GOP - no thanks to Cheney - was thrashed by the biggest margin in 50 years and went down in flames with bush's rating at near record levels and Cheney's even lower.

This doesn't say much for the people who still think he was a good Veep.

In fact, as I said on another thread, bush, cheney, Sarge, teleprompter, etc. were the best things to ever happen to the Democrat party as their support for the GOP shut it down as a relevant political power.

That's funny. :-)

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It's funny, I just couldn't help noticing that the JT supporters who have never had the fortitude to put their lives on the line to defend their country seem to be the ones who are supporting the former Veep, who didn't either.

Is this some sort of coincidence, or is it some kind of 'birds of a feather..' thing? :-)

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Bush stacked his cabinet with right-wing wackos and that's why the GOP is now the right-wing wacko party. They need to be more inclusive (move towards the centre instead of surrendering it to the Dems), otherwise they simply cannot get enough votes to get back power.

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"Cheney: Obama endangers the nation."

"Mr. Cheney said he believes it's his duty to speak out against the Obama administration "because I think the issues that are at stake here are so important."

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/10/cheney-says-obama-endangers-nation/

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I see the usuals are still just pining away for the Bush administration. It does warm the cockles of one heart to see the devotion they still hold for it and the relevance it has made in their daily lifes. Bush Devotion Syndrome or BDS is such a lovely thing to see on display.

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teleprompter, and your point is......?

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I see the usuals are still just pining away for the Bush administration.

Weird, isn't it? For the last 2 years of Bush's second term they were assuring us he was a lame duck, and that history was done with him.

But as many of us predicted Democrat Party faithful and the int'l Left miss him more than many conservatives and libertarians ever will.

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tele, sail, bush & the GOP lost.

Time to get over it. :-)

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sailwind: "I see the usuals are still just pining away for the Bush administration."

Precisely! I think it's about time you guys realized what an outright failure he was, stop worshipping the man (now rated 7th lowest in terms of US presidents, or is lower?) and start being patriotic and believing in your nation and president. Your anti-Americanism is astounding.

The days of the GOP are over, thank you, and you guys constantly pining for bush, cheney, and the other losers and criminals (Rummy, Wolfy, Gonzales, etc.) just shows that you're clinging to an already sunk ship.

As to merely COMMENTING on bush/cheney, READ THE ARTICLE! It's about cheney's wacko comments and the shattered GOP. It's therefore perfectly fine to talk about those things. 'Pining' for them, as you guys are doing, is another thing altogether. Thanks for recognizing your own weaknesses, though.

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The days of the GOP are over,

Just can't help fantasizing about single party rule, can we?

I still believe in the 2-party system. I like and admire some of the Dems that not too long ago left the scene - Bentsen, Humphrey, Scoop Jackson, Moynihan.I often wonder what they'd make of Reid, Pelosi and Obama.

I'm not going to resort to the adolescent habit of refusing to capitalize names of pols belonging to a party whose views I genreally disagree with.

Cheney "backs" Limbaugh and the media and the Left go nuts.

"Liberal" hero Jon Stewart calls a great American and a great Democrat like Harry Truman "a war criminal" and his fans sputter about context or insist "he's just a comedian, his writers snuck that in."

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If it's a Palin-Limpbough ticket in 2012, it's going to be all over - again - for the failure-soaked losers at the GOP. :-)

But that aside, what is cheney hoping to get out of slagging off one of the only members of the bush administration that still has a shred of honor?

Is he just a bitter former VP out to score some political points among his near non-existant support base?

Or has he finally seen the light that the GOP is now totally defunct and he is kicking a dead dog when it's down?

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"We win elections when we have good solid conservative principles to run upon.”

Hmm, which means either a) they didn't have good solid conservative principles in '92,'96, or '08, or b) they did and they lost for other reasons. I'm leaning towards b myself! Cheney doesn't seem to understand the difference between necessary and sufficient conditions, which I guess is pretty much true for all the Republican base. It's great to keep the base happy and out to the polls to vote, but if that's all you got you're going to lose and keep losing at least until the tail stops wagging the dog. Simple politics.

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Sailwind - "I see the usuals are still just pining away for the Bush administration."

I take that to be an attempt at sarcasm.

I think I speak for many here when I say that the GOP and their supporters need to have it made completely crystal clear to them that bush and his merry crew of bandits did irreparable harm to America - far more harm than any lousy bunch of terrorists ever did - and that despite the fact bush and co. are now thankfully out of power, the GOP must never put anyone even remotely similar to them anywhere near a position of power again.

And as an aside, related to a point you made a couple of days ago on another thread - this hugely expensive bailout would not have been necessary had the bush administration actually governed your country well and did what former Democrat president Bill Clinton did - left the next president with a surplus.

It is due to the fact the bush administration failed to govern your country even remotely well, failed to be fiscally responsibly and failed to put in place sound policies, that your once proud nation's finances are now in tatters, your nation is more bankrupt than ever before, and the world is experiencing the worst recesssion in 70 years - and why former Veep cheney has now been reduced to shrieking from the political ghost-ridden twilight zone after witnessing his party have a nuke put under it last November.

Here ends the Epistle.....

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cheney was an ass in government. he's an ass out of government, also. he's a traitor just like his boss, george bush.

Yeah dick cheney is so smart.

I'm so glad that only a small majority of the country sees dick cheney as anything other than a total embarrassment to the country. Go dick. Go hide your head in shame or at least in a bucket of crap. < :-)

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Why would Cheney follow some guy who talks on a radio? Is he going senile?

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I'd pick Powell for president. He has Rush Limbug pegged. Rush plays on emotions. Sure he hits some issues right but he reminds me of some of the Nazi propaganda machines. Powell is much more mature in thought and uses reason well. I always liked Bush and Cheney but this pick really shows a small intellect, so different from my idea of a great Statesman. The Republican party needs Statesmen with principle who can clearly articulate Truth. Not spin.

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How about Arnie? Colin Powell is too used to following orders to think independently, plus his most famous moment was showing proof of WMD to the world. He is Black and Jewish, that does appeal to a wide demographic.

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Sure he hits some issues right but he reminds me of some of the Nazi propaganda machines.

This ought to be good - uhhh, exactly which Nazi "propaganda machines" does Rush Limbaugh's syndicated radio broadcast (freely chosen, freely dumped) remind you (German speaker?) of?

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He is Black and Jewish, that does appeal to a wide demographic.

Must be comforting to "liberals" here to have den den on your side.

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Picking Powell for President?

A number of years ago, Colin Powell would have been a shoe-in for President. Non-West Point officer who managed to take the top military job in the US. Minority, combat veteran, highly intelligent, etc, etc, etc. However, in addition to not wanting the job himself (because of the petty nature of politics), he obviously blotted his copybook by serving in the Bush Administration. Although his heart might not have been in it, like a good trooper Colin Powell fronted up to the UN and gave the speech about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction. I bet he regrets such things now. Anyway, any asprirations that Powell had regarding the Presidency are probably dead.

And in the other corner, we have Rush Limbaugh. Who as far as I can work out, was suffering from anxl cysts when Colin Powell was serving in Vietnam. In more recent times, when Powell was talking about reconcilliation and moving forward as a united country, I seem to remember Rush pushing a racially derogatory song regarding the current Commander in Chief.

Anyway the facts are very simple. If the Dickster believes that Limbaugh and his brand of chicken hawk divisiveness represent the future of the GOP, then I would suggest that the GOP is set for many years in the political wilderness.

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good call teleprompter - The Nazi party must have appealed to emotion through radio (freely chosen, freely dumped) in the early years to get support. We see it in Japan with those big trucks going around. Reminds me of Rush. I just have a higher expectation of a Statesman then Rush. Powell is a good man. I am sure Rush is as well but he does not come close to Powell as a Statesman.

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teleprompter - "uhhh, exactly which Nazi "propaganda machines" does Rush Limbaugh's syndicated radio broadcast (freely chosen, freely dumped) remind you (German speaker?) of?"

If you had been an alert student of history, you would know OneForAll is refering to Joseph Goebbels, Adolph Hitler's propaganda minister, who believed that propaganda should be aimed at the lowest common denominator of society and repeated as often as possible.

Hmmmm...reminds me very much of your boy idol bush and his inane and ongoing use of "War on Terror," Terrorist," "Evil Doers," et al.

And hilariously, you bought all of it. :-)

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If you had been an alert student of history, you would know OneForAll is refering to Joseph Goebbels, Adolph Hitler's propaganda minister, who believed that propaganda should be aimed at the lowest common denominator of society and repeated as often as possible.

"Change" ?

Moderator: Readers, stay on topic please. The Nazis are not relevant to this discussion.

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Timorborder - "And in the other corner, we have Rush Limbaugh. Who as far as I can work out, was suffering from anxl cysts when Colin Powell was serving in Vietnam."

Which reminds me of a previous post I made on this thread - it really does seem that very few, if any, of the supporters of chickenhawks bush/cheney have fronted up and put their lives on the line for their country.

I wonder if teleprompter has ever fought for his country?

I'll bet his armchair has too many soft cushions for him to ever want to leave... :-)

But as cheney and the other chickenhawks in the bush adminstration believed - it's OK as long as it's someone else's son/father/husband/wife.

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Sad. Democracy works best when there is more than one political party. The republicans need to get their act together to provide a real alternative and to keep the pressure on those now in power. The farther they go down the Limbaugh road, the more unelectable they become and the more powerful and untouchable Pelosi becomes. Like it or not, I think they need votes from people outside the anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd.

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Who cares what Mr 8% says. Every time he opens his mouth he kicks further soil onto the grave of the republican party. If I were a moderate republican I'd be pretty enraged about dick's support for King Shriek....in fact it would be contrary to the poster above snivelling about a "one party system"...

The GOP should dis-band and let Shriekbaugh take charge, with the moderate Repubs forming another party. It will only accelerate the GOP's descent into obscurity....heh, they'd just end up like the National Front here in France....

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Sushi - There is an old saying about Democracy - It is free when somebody else is doing the dying.

Anyway, I think this whole argument goes beyond politics. On one hand you have a great American patriot who despite blotting his copybook by serving a certain GW Bush, has nevertheless served his country with honor in both peace and war (being wounded for his troubles). On the other hand, you have a Dr. Strangelove character in Cheney (who cannot shoot straight) who declined to serve in Vietnam, and a mass media demigogue who when not preaching division seems to be content to cast dispersions on wounded American veterans. Could the choice be any clearer?

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proxy - Things must be ordered correctly, that is all, and articulated as such. Obama's order may be off but he articulates well. Such as funding abortions (wrong order and third world does not want it) and also seeing that some think that "freedom of choice" is the only issue (he sees a life there as well). Obama is meeting people half way and will work to lessen abortions. Now the Republicans have got to do the same but get the order right. Embryonic research? Is there a question about human life there? I think so. Shoot and ask questions later is what Obama is doing. Rush does the same on the other side. Powell I think would have got the order right.

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"Cheney backs Limbaugh over Powell"

LOL! You don't need to look much further to see just how desperate the GOP has become, ha ha. :-)

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The great thing for Rush Limpbow is that he has such a loyal, well defined listener demographic - basically Right Wing fringe extremists who are ardently anti-womens choice, anti-immigration, anti-foreigner, anti-abortion, anti-Muslim, full on against serving in their country's military....in fact, pretty much anti-everything that might be good for their country.

Oh, and then there's the cowboy hats and the distinct lack of passports.... :-)

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Just another punch in the guts from darling dick. Fist off they get Powell to do the dead because he was the only one with any credibility, and then when he walks away from them they take another swing.

To bad more Americans cant be like Powell and less like lobotomy Limbaugh.

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SushiSake3 - Some of Rush followers cannot see the human life in womens choice. Most in fact. The ones I know anyway. You got the other part right except the cowboy hats and lack of passports (Almost hard not sounding like Rush when one puts humor into a post;-)

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cheney is wasting his time flogging a dead horse.

He's like the guy who, after his car has just driven off a mile-high cliff and smashed into a million little pieces on the rocks below, shrieks, 'I know I can rebuild it!'

The thing is, cheney's words are not indicative of bold vision for the future - it's sheer, crass stupidiy based on near-complete ignorance of the Real World.

But hey - each to his own. :-)

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Awesome - the longer cheney, Rush Limpbough, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Sean Hanity, etc. linger around and spout their fringe Right Wing cr*p, the longer the GOP will remain as just a sad, lone rich, white, cowboy-hat-wearing, back-slapping, Bud-fuelled shriekfest in the political wilderness.

Where can I sign up to support their continued existance???? :-)

As much as I dislike bush, it seems he has a shred of dignity to stay out of the limelight now, unlike his veep.

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OneGorAll I don't think it really matters, even if most people are pro-life, the thing is, I don't think that single divisive issues can any longer be counted on to gather many votes except for extremes on both sides.

George Will, often claims that America is a right of center country, but I don't believe it. He must be only counting issues like abortion and gays in the army. There are not too many countries more liberal than the US. How many cities, anywhere are more liberal than New York? Besides the "hot button" issues I think Americans are some of the most liberal people in the world. The mid term elections are swiftly approaching and if the GOP keeps playing to the right they are going to be crushed again.

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Rush uh SushiSake...

proxy - quite right...People know what is right, if they are humble. A tall order for many.

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proxy - "The mid term elections are swiftly approaching and if the GOP keeps playing to the right they are going to be crushed again."

The problem is, if the GOP sticks to their core policies - which they very likely will - their defeat will be of their own making.

America is moving to the left, but the Right Wingers in the GOP still refuse to realize it.

If the GOP moves toward the center, they risk losing the hard core extremists, and if they stay on the right of the political spectrum, they'll lose moderates.

Either which way, they lose. :-)

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"Look at all the non-Americans weighing in here."

There you go again - the binary world in which you live in where non-American's shouldn't have an opinion, or where people's nationality is to be used in an "argument".

I actually find people like yourself, and rush limbaugh anti-American. You've both publicly hoped for the new POTUS's failure.

That's tantamount to treason. But then again I wold expect nothing less from armchair warriors such as dick and limbaugh.

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timeborder -- agree completely. Cheney is just a chicken hawk who dodged military service and it really grates him that Powell actually has the moral authority to talk about the military, war, abuse of prisoners, etc. Powell exudes personal honor and valor. Cheney has none of either.

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There are many ways to listen or watch him anywhere in the world. You can even buy a T-shirt on his web page and get a special membership and podcast delivered to you every day.

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Cheney said he has been speaking out about the Obama administration although George W Bush remains silent, because if he didn’t, “then the critics have free run, and there isn’t anybody there on the other side to tell the truth.”

Dick Cheney talking about the truth? What, the same guy who only saw his truth. This man needs to get off of what ever meds they got him on and get a new doctor.

In the 8 years in office he could not tell the truth and now he is trying to be the poster boy for decency? What a joke!

If you want a list of his lies and how badly he told them, please ask. I have tons of nice links with him talking on video. No evil left wing editing, just what he said.

This man is a joke and he is trying to make folks believe his joke....

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And I enjoy opening and broadening minds.

When will you start doing that?

Many of us non-Americans are fascinated by America because it represents so many ideals that are part of any discussion any where about individual freedoms and rights. Even more fascinating is how some so-called patriots seem to not even understand this important role America plays in the world. If America loses its way, then we all lose.

Many of us do not see Cheney or Rush as men of virtue or valour, why would you expect us to warm to the idea of a Cheney/Rush ticket? They do not capture the imagination when the words leadership, democracy, or integrity come up.

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"According to the poll, limbaugh's favorable rating stands at just 19 percent"

Isn't Limbaugh the host of America's No.1 talk radio show?

Checking...

Yeah, he is!

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Limbaugh said Powell is “just mad at me because I’m the one person in the country that had the guts to explain his endorsement of Obama. It was purely and solely based on race.”

Well, of course Limbaugh would say that since that is how he himself votes. In fact, that is how everyone voted in America. In Limbaugh-world the whole 2008 election was only about race. Which gets me idly speculating that Cheney had his so-called back injury because he did not want photos of him standing and shaking hands with a black president.

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Amazing how limbaugh, known to suffer from impotence and being a anti-depression drug addict is such a hero to the few remaining on the extreme right...

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The unpatriotic growd are out in force yet again, yawn!

Cheney and limbaugh are good old fashioned patriots and many of you here could learn a lot about devotion and pride of your nation from these two heroic guys.

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While Cheney was in power, the oil companies made the largest profit in the history of mankind. That makes him one of the most successful businessman we have ever had. Therefore, we shouldn't talk about him in a negative light. We should trust his choice. Malverts-the far right is bigger than you think.

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"Look at all the non-Americans weighing in here."

madverts: This is usually teleprompter's pathetic attempt to sign off when he knows he's had his backside handed to him on a platter. He has ZERO defense for his argument and can only result to calling other nationalities 'uninformed', referring to France as 'Fwance', and basically saying anyone who doesn't share his opinion (which is just about everyone) is non-American.

I always laugh at this logic. First and foremost because this is always the path he takes -- and in particular today -- before he gets banned again and has to make up his new handle. But also because he, like dick, is basically giving a bad name for the people he pretends to represent. In this case, by making an issue out of being 'non-American' (even when he repeatedly accuses Americans like Likeitis of being Canadian, etc.), he's really only making Americans look horrible, and everyone else in the world to be genius about American politics merely by comparison.

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"You need to apologize"

Rubbish. I'm just pointing out that in hoping for President Obama to fail, as you and uhm...heh, "him" are - then you are traitors to the republic of the United States of America.

Not only at a time of war, as you all liked to say for the last eight years of bush co, but at a time when the conomic status of the US is in dire straits.

In fact, I think you need to apoligize to your fellow citizens for you un-American behaviour.

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sarge: '"you're a traitor" You need to apologize.'

Actually, no, sarge. When people stood up and argued against bush they were called traitors, un-American, unpatriotic, traitors, and even terrorists. Now those same people who invented the labels -- or at the very least began to apply them to any who disagreed with their POTUS, the veep in question, or the wars, are now in the bed that they made. THEY need to apologize for being traitors and un-American -- or else admit that bush was just plain wrong and those who spoke against him and disagreed are simply people with differing opinion on issues with more than black and white to them.

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Madverts: "you're a traitor"

Sarge: "You need to apologize"

Madverts: "Actually, no, sarge"

Actually, yes, Madverts. Apologize now.

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So now you're back-peddling and hoping he fails in not screwing up your country?

The boy, along with rush have openly hoped for President Obama's failure in office. I'm sad to see you align yourselves with traitors to the flag.

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Actually, I think the far left and the far right (the self-described "patriots") are completely nutso. Both, through different means, want to control society and be the ruling power. Thankfully, democracy gets in the way of both to foil their worst laid plans.

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The article might say Washington but we all know Cheney ran off to Dubai - just as smithinjapan confidently predicted he would.

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Seems like Sarge and myself are the only guys talking any sense here.

So many unpatriotic views here shock me. Cheney and Limbaugh have made America a better place to live for us all.

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"Actually, I think the far left and the far right (the self-described "patriots") are completely nutso. "

Foaming at the mouth every damned one of them. This place has become some sort of radical support group.

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Foaming at the mouth every damned one of them. This place has become some sort of radical support group.

Ha! Too true.

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Of course Cheney does not back Powell, he is a turncoat and cannot be trusted, just like his good buddy Obama.

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"Powell initially backed action against Iraq's Saddam Hussein"

What! Colin Powell backing an illegal invasion of a defenseless country that had nothing to do with 9/11?

"So many unpatriotic views here..."

And we're going to continue to refute them!

"... shock me"

Not me. I've read thousands of them here.

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Damn I'm glad to hear I'm not alone in hoping obama buckles the entire country to prove I'm right.

Well, ain't that the size of it? Ideology has to grow from the carcass of democracy.

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teleprompter what are you doing? Are not Cheney and Limbaugh able to stand on their own merits? Show how they are better than the opposition not how the opposition is worse.

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Many a soldier has said, "I serve so my children can grow up in a better world." By contrast, Dick Cheney was making babies to avoid service. But he and fellow draft dodger El Rushbo now claim to know better than Colin Powell, smeared with the race card after a long career of public service which was not all behind a desk. The Republicans have appropriated the commie slogan, "Better Red Than Expert." We all know what happened to communist parties everywhere.

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I hope I fail.

Yep, I hope I completely and utterly fail to change the mind of any Republican on Japan Today. I realized this evening I have been completely wasting my time debating the conservatives on this board.

They are never going to change their minds, and …that’s just great.

That’s just great, in fact, it’s better than great.

WHY?

Simple: It should be pretty obvious by now that the GOP and their supporters are far and away their own worst enemy.

What America needs is a large enough number of right wing extremists like Rush Limpbough, Sean Hannity, chickenhawk cheney, teleprompter, Sarge, etc. to KEEP ON talking rubbish.

That way, they guarantee the GOP will be totally rejected by the majority of Americans for years to come. It happened in the last midterms, and heck, it happened again last November when the Republican brand was given the biggest butt-whipping in decades.

Contrary to commonly-held belief, Liberals need to give the crazy voices on the Right room to keep chirping, keep spouting garbage about terror, anti-abortion, anti-women, anti-immigration, anti-gay marriage, anti-Americanism.

It’s the most effective – not to mention easiest -way to ensure the Democrats say in power for years to come.

The GOP will – sorry – already have – destroyed themselves.

Sorry I didn’t point this truth out earlier.

teleprompter, Sarge, Sailwind, etc -

THE FLOOR IS YOURS. :-)

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THE FLOOR IS YOURS. :-)

Your wrong, Obama is President and THE FLOOR IS YOURS NOW, blaming Bush doesn't cut anymore. So far the guy sucks in my opinion.

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sailwind: "...blaming Bush doesn't cut anymore..."

Show me once where SushiSake mentions bush in the comment you quoted him from. Again, it's you who cannot comment on the thread even one iota, and come on here saying everyone is talking about bush when it's in fact YOU who's talking about bush (again, though, show me in the post you quote sushi from where he mentions bush).

So I say again, 'If you're going to weigh in, my friend, at least ATTEMPT to comment on the thread instead of reliving your glory days of being unable to defend yourself (ie. using the 'BDS' thing in lieu of arguing someone's post).'

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"THE FLOOR IS YOURS NOW"

The floor is everyone's....that's why we're here, Sailwind. Saying "Obama sucks" is no different from your counterparts saying "Bush is evil".

Nobody is going to please everybody, but neither dick cheney, nor rush limbaugh are qualified to lash out at anyone, what with their own reputations. Both individuals are pretty much a laughing stock to those that don't have a radical afilliation, and I thought you'd be defending General Powell in all fairness.

If Powell hadn't sold his soul with in his own words, the "bullshit" regarding Bush Co's "WMD" proof then I'd think a lot more of him. He's still cut above the other traitors in question though.

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No amount of effort to make it about Jeremiah Wright will change the fact trashing Colin Powell, and dismissing his long record of accomplishment as the result of affirmative action, reflects the "better red than expert" mentality of the current Republican Party leadership.

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I see that ole Dick sees Rush's way of thinking as the direction he would like the Republican party to be run by an entertainer. Wow that is a great way to run the party into the ground. Oh wait that already happened!LOL

Sarge at 08:33 PM JST - 11th May "According to the poll, limbaugh's favorable rating stands at just 19 percent" Isn't Limbaugh the host of America's No.1 talk radio show? Checking... Yeah, he is!

Rush has an audience of about 13.5 million weekly listeners. Compared to 20 million a few years ago. Slowly Rush is losing his listeners. But of course his hard liner will always stay with him.

13.5 million sounds about all that is left in the far right.LOL

One thing seems to be forgotten about Rush, he is an entertainer. He himself has always said this. But since it came out that he is a drug abuser his rants have become even worse and he is believing his own hype...

But I for one do not think that Rush believes half the things he says. I for one believe that this man knows how to make a buck and you do it by pissing people off. He is a master at it and for some unknown reason the left just does not get that.

He has made so many of these groups spin their heads and spit pea soup that it is very funny. If these groups would just sit and listen to some of the callers they would see that he plays off them. Rush makes them say things that they want to say be would normally not say at all.

When they say it, he then goes into a rant about this or that and then minutes later a left winger calls and he toys with them. Every time a left winger goes nutz over Rush or a comment he says he just made more money.

Wake up and understand that he is in this for the money. He is not stupid, he would never run for office. He is making too much money and if he ran then everyone would figure out his game.

The ones that really make me laugh are the far right wingers who really do not get his game and believe that he thinks this way. Those cats are the really scary one.

BTW Michael Savage did the same game years ago but he really believed what he was saying and he lost allot of his audience because of that. That is why Rush is where he is (Rich) and Michael Savage is who he is (not Rich).

Controversy sells, insanity does not.....

Now for some lighthearted fun let us see how well you know the far right. In this test 8 famous quotes were either said by Cheney or Rush. It is up to you to find out which.

Great quotes from the far right, let us see if you can guess who these are;

I had other priorities in the sixties than military service.

I am addicted to prescription pain medication.

Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too.

My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.

The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.

In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more.

There are more acres of forestland in America today than when Columbus discovered the continent in 1492.

He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting.
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But I for one do not think that Rush believes half the things he says. I for one believe that this man knows how to make a buck and you do it by pissing people off. He is a master at it and for some unknown reason the left just does not get that.

The closest model that comes to mind when knowing how to take Rush Limbaugh is so-called "professional" wrestling. Rush prepares his stage the same way the WWF prepares the bouts.

And, if you'll notice, the same demographic in the US that appears to regard pro wrestling as high entertainment is very much the same as those who'd vote for Cheney-Bush: crazed men with more testosterone than brains and little old ladies who see everything as a fight between good and evil.

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"We're not sexists, we're chauvinists -- we're male chauvinist pigs, and we're happy to be because we think that's what men were destined to be. We think that's what women want." - Rush Limbaugh

Heh, no wonder the guy needs viagra. This is definitely the bloke to head the GOP as they continue to speed down the road to extinction at full tilt. Forward rush....into the dark!

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Damn, I've missed out on $$$ millions! :-)

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Cheney and Limbaugh are a wonderfull influence on mainstream America. Powell has had a brainstorm by endorsing Obama, his credibility is in tatters. Disc back Limbaugh becuase they are both true, honest patriotic guys, period.

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Cheney has no choice BUT to support rush limbaugh over Powell. Powell doesn't support torture and the more that comes out about how the last administration bought off on torture, the worse dick looks in the eyes of those who believe in justice over ideology.

Taka

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Powell let himself be fooled by the Obama camp into supporting him, how foolish.

Cheney is agood man, who has made the US richer by his sterling work and LImbaugh has educated millions into living a moral way. The same cannot be said of turncoat Powell.

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Yabits,

if you'll notice, the same demographic in the US that appears to regard pro wrestling as high entertainment is very much the same as those who'd vote for cheney-bush:

I was actually a little surprised to see the disparity in education quality by state with political affiliation.

According to the 2006-07 Morgan-Quinto study on education, 9 of the top 10 best states in the United States for education voted for Pres. Obama.

6 of the bottom 10 voted McCain (whose own state rates last in the nation in education; perhaps some "pork" is in order).

Taka

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I don't really care for Rush's policies, but I do enjoy the way he chains the foreigners to their keyboards.

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Dick said:

If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I’d go with Rush Limbaugh.

Shocking!

Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

I'll bet Dick is being handed a few bundles by his minions. Dick was so used to pulling puppet strings and thus being a defacto commitee leader of the U.S. that Dick continues to try to pull the strings. I believe Dick should be given the honorary title of General Secretary of the Republican Party of the United States of America. Clearly, like another General Secretary he believes "We will bury you!" when addressing the Democratic Party from afar.

The honorable Colin Powell apparently wasn't true to the party manifesto. Just like other manifestos written in stone throughout history there is a requirement to purge those who cannot remain obedient.

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I'm not a big fan of Cheney's brand of conservatism. He was a part of the same administration that provided the biggest bump in entitlement spending since Johnson's Great Society. Hard to hear him talking conservative principles, and take him seriously at all.

All this nonsense about Limbaugh and Powell. I think Limbaugh pretty much hit the nail on the head regarding Powells endorsement of Obama. When you come right down to it, it was about race. They're both Black, and Powell felt he had to endorse his fellow black. If Powell is truly conservative as he claims, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here, then there can be no other reason. I don't think too highly of the idea, of endorsing someone based on their skin color. If he had been the better candidate, had more experience etc, then sure, but based soley on race, its a bit disappointing.

Regarding all the vitriol focused on Cheney by the haters on the left. Typical. Even out of office, you have nothing good to say about a man who served his country to the best of his ability for 30 plus years. Think that says more about you then anyone else.

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Molenir,

When you come right down to it, it was about race. They're both Black, and Powell felt he had to endorse his fellow black.

Could you please do me the favor of explaining that statement. Powell, a republican, endorsed (now) Pres. Obama. He very well could have endorsed alan keys, if, you know, it was necessary to endorse a fellow black. So....why Pres. Obama, of the opposition party AND only half-black over 100% black republican, alan keyes?

I'm sorry but your argument just failed the sniff test.

Taka

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Who cares? Cheney and Limbaugh deserve each other and honestly, did anybody expect anything different?

I'd have voted for Powell for president.

I'd never vote for another Bush. Cheney is obviously too close to the situation to understand that most Americans would look at that name and run to the other party.

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6 of the bottom 10 voted McCain (whose own state rates last in the nation in education; perhaps some "pork" is in order).

Taka, and if you'll pursue the demographics a little further, you'll find that those states ranking last in education are where Rush enjoys his biggest numbers.

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Powell showed his true colors by backing that damn fool Obama.

If Dick did not back Limbaugh over Obama then he would be an unpatriotic fool.

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Molenir: Regarding all the vitriol focused on Cheney by the haters on the left. Typical. Even out of office, you have nothing good to say about a man who served his country to the best of his ability for 30 plus years.

Well, I think Cheney made a lot of mistakes and I'm glad he's gone. People should be allowed to disagree with the man.

What I don't get is why some people turn into a 12-year old boy when they talk about him. It's like his critics believe they have some kind of free pass to say whatever they want and others shouldn't judge them as long as he's the topic.

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Limbaugh, according to one theory, was the 20th hijacker but he was too strung out on hillbilly herion during his dark drug addict days to find the plane (Wanda quote).

Limbaugh is a traitor to his country and the retired white angry teabagger losers who take him seriously are not much better. But Limbaugh makes his millions off these disillusioned wingers. It is a big shell game he is running and the poor saps who support him, like Cheney, do not know any better. The bottom 15% of US society, morally that is.

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Madverts: C'mon Super, stand up and denounce the man

Find one post where I've ever said anything positive about the man...ever....heh. And I mean that literally. When I talk about him I'm usually criticizing him. But like I said I don't do it in a way that makes me sound like an idiot.

Remember when you were 8 and you made a string of insults to yell at a classmate when you were angry? Tell me this doesn't remind you of it:

zurc: Limbaugh is a traitor to his country and the retired white angry teabagger losers

zurc: the republicans are the party of old tired angry white retired losers who feel that life has passed them by. Drug addict Limbaugh

USAFdude: a dying minority of un-American, unpatriotic filth, unworthy of being remotely considered a party

cow76: Bush stacked his cabinet with right-wing wackos and that's why the GOP is now the right-wing wacko party

SushiSake: the GOP will remain as just a sad, lone rich, white, cowboy-hat-wearing, back-slapping, Bud-fuelled shriekfest in the political wilderness.

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The right wing wacko party? Bud-fuelled shriekfest? And may I ask what exactly a retired white angry teabagger loser is? And is there such a thing as an employed white angry teabagger loser or an unemployed white angry teabagger winner?

Guys....the Republicans are millions of people. They're a political party. They aren't little green men with laser guns trying to melt your brains. Take a step back, relax, and think about what you're writing. It's not a contest to see who can reach back the furthest into their childhood.

Here's a free lesson from proxy:

"Democracy works best when there is more than one political party. The republicans need to get their act together to provide a real alternative and to keep the pressure on those now in power. The farther they go down the Limbaugh road, the more unelectable they become and the more powerful and untouchable Pelosi becomes. Like it or not, I think they need votes from people outside the anti-gay, anti-abortion crowd."

See? It's not that hard....

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Cheney and Limbaugh are two peas from the same idiot pod; no wonder they like each other...

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SuperLib -

Remember when you were 8 and you made a string of insults to yell at a classmate when you were angry? Tell me this doesn't remind you of it:

(SuperLib quoting me) -

USAFdude: a dying minority of un-American, unpatriotic filth, unworthy of being remotely considered a party

This doesn't remind me of it. My comment does, however, remind of another quote found later in your post:

(from proxy) -

The republicans need to get their act together to provide a real alternative and to keep the pressure on those now in power. The farther they go down the Limbaugh road, the more unelectable they become and the more powerful and untouchable Pelosi becomes.

Your attempt to discredit my statement has backfired, given that my statement is backed up by the very quote you included in your post.

But, hey, you were right about one thing: it wasn't that hard to win an argument against you, yet again.

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Good one SuperLib. Always amusing when those who accuse others of hate, have their own obvious hypocrisy thrown back in their faces.

Taka - I'm sorry but your argument just failed the sniff test.

Better get your nose checked then. Explain what other reason Powell could have for endorsing Obama. The man was the most liberal senator in Washington. He had no experience at governing anything. He was a community organizer, IE and activist. Thats it. Then he got elected to the state congress, and from there to the Senate. Then to the Presidency. Compare that to McCain who like Powell is a veteren. Who has served his country basically his entire life, and who unlike Obama is actually conservative. The same way Powell claims to be conservative as well. The only reason I can see, for Powell to endorse Obama over McCain, is race. I don't condemn the man for it. How many blacks vote Democrat every election. It certainly doesn't help them, yet 90% of Blacks vote Dem. And those who don't are ostracized, accused of being Uncle Toms. Hell, Powell himself was accused of that.

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teleprompter at 08:41 AM JST - 11th May

For the life of me I cannot understand why Rush Limbaugh so terrifies "liberals."

Nobody is afraid of Rush Limbaugh. However the thought that millions of people are continuing to and have been, for decades, hanging on his every word is more than just frightening; it is surreal. It was almost as surreal as coming home from the Air Force to learn that "Pro Wrestling," which had previously been confined to a tiny viewing audience had grown so much in popularity that it had become mainstream. Within five years "Hulk Hogan" was a superstar icon in America. I shuttered every time I heard someone I knew, praise any aspect of it. I do understand it now. Over the years I saw countless Americans reject education and most intellectual pursuit for that matter. Congress outlawed burning the American flag. When the Supreme Court overturned the legislation I heard guys saying, "I fought for that flag." I thought that was so stupid. We should fight for our land, for our citizens and to continue the governance by doctrine our forefathers developed. I had often said that anyone who fought for the flag was an idiot. I eventually settled on trying to correct people by saying they meant they fought for what the flag represented. Some would still insist that they fought for the flag. Now I understand. Rush Limbaugh plays on that kind of patriotism to the flag. I told people at the time the flag burning legislation was being passed that at the same time James Watt, Secretary of the Interior (Under Reagan), was allowing our American land to be destroyed in allegedly protected areas. He was not just selling out the protected areas, like those in the past, his increase land destruction, through "being in the pocket" of corporate interests above protected land preservation, made a mockery of the Department of the Interior by defying its goals.

So yet again I was confronted with conservative values: "Don't burn the flag," but screw the land. Of course it makes more sense now that I have learned that Dick in Congress, during those years, was voting down M.L.K. day, voting for apartheid, voting against education (why shouldn't he - he flunked out of Yale), and busy clearing Reagan of any wrongdoing in the Iran/Contra scandal. It is clear to me now just what is meant by conservative "values."

In other inconsistencies Dick and his minions of Neo Con's railed for years how Clinton cut the military and left the U.S. vulnerable. But when Dick was Sec. of Defense, the Department of Defense's declined in real, inflationary adjusted dollars, from $291 billion to $270 billion. Total military personnel strength decreased by 19 percent, from about 2.2 million in 1989 to about 1.8 million in 1993.

So you can choose to call him a hypocrite or at the very least a flip flopper. Oh yeah, he changed his M.L.K. Day and Apartheid vote when to do so was the popular thing.

Yeah Dick is quite a stand up guy compared to Powell, whom most Americans consider just a plain old American hero.

I am quite sure many of the conservatives would like to characterize our distaste of Dick as fear. It is clear that many conservatives just love Dick. You won't find any liberals in the world, much less the U.S. that want Dick to shut up once they are presented with the facts. He is doing what Rush could never do. He is seen as an actual leader in the Republican Party; when the general public hears him speak they believe he represents the Republican Party. He may not have credibility but he has the credentials. The overwhelming majority see Rush as just a blowhard. The Neo Cons just can't see that almost everybody but them loathes Mr. Dick. As long as he keeps moving his jowls we will continue to win support from his words.

Dick and the Blowhard make quite a tag team. Perhaps they should go into Pro Wrestling. They would make quite a sight in their tights!

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goodDonkey: Hey you sure hate patriots buddy.

Dick Cheney is respected worldwide as a successfull businessman and diplomat. Limburgh is respected by god fearing, traditionalists all across America. whereas Powell is despised for following Obama due to skin color, how goddam shallow.

Cheney backed the right guy, his judgement is sound as ever.

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SuperLib,

I agree that some of the criticism of Cheney and Limbaugh is over the top. However, it would be nice if you could level your even-handedness at some of the equally outrageous statements by Cheney/Limbaugh supporters.

It seems to me to be fairly obvious why Cheney and Limbaugh attract so much vitriol, and that would be because they are so active in generating it themselves. Yes, it would all be very adult if we did not call each other names. But that's the way Limbaugh makes his living and that's the way Cheney has sought political gain.

We have suffered through 8 years of primacy of those who apologize for practices (such as torture, for example) which run counter to the ideals and principles on which America was founded. The apologists fail to see the truths which were self-evident to the founders. "Inalienable rights" is nonsense-talk when we contrive and succeed in alienating them.

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Somehow I left out some comments I had typed earlier and was checking for errors.

Dick is the type of guy who eventually gets a draft deferment for his wife's pregnancy. He applied for four deferments in sequence. He applied for his fifth exemption on January 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant. He was granted 3-A status, the "hardship" exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. In January 1967, Cheney turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft. That was when he was young and supposedly supporting the war in Viet Nam (support from afar is the name of the game for Cheney). But as V.P. he had no problem endorsing a policy that not only keeps young soldiers away from their children but due to a drop in enlistment (real projections needed to sustain the war with previous commitments to the soldiers) he extends their risk of being killed numerous times.

The above would go in his "policy changes section" in my post above.

Dick was Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee from 1981 to 1987 just to add to the significance of our "land vs. flag" policies during that period.

I find it quite repugnant to bring up the term "foreigners." As if an international forum should be reserved for Americans when the article is about an American issue. Newsflash: this is not an American periodical! That means if you are American; like myself, we are the foreigners! The only thing more ridiculous is when some of the trolls attack me saying I am not American because I defend non-Americans. The truth is that such statements are elitist. They want the sole privilege of making the comments or the privilege of being in the group of the solely valid posters of comments. It begs the question of who put them in charge of validating comments or the validation of posters for that matter.

The other group (sometimes also bashing "foreigners") are those that speak of bashing Bush. Every one of them mentions the name of Bush far more often than I do. But that is o.k. because they are simply pointing out that others can't let go of Bush. I have news for them being fixated on who mentions Bush is being fixated on Bush. Any rational person can recognize that.

When an article such as this mentions Bush then it is nothing more than an effort to tell us to "SHUT UP!" when saying those who mention Bush can't let go. Take it up with JT; they published the AP article on this website. Of course they were correct in doing so, if nobody was willing to print Cheney's comments in one form or another those fixated on anyone who mentions Bush's name would be shrieking "Media Bias, Media Bias!" (To get the full effect you need to picture Gomer Pyle yelling "Citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest!)

JT printed AP's article which stated:

Powell, who was secretary of state under President George W Bush and held the top U.S. military post under President George HW Bush

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Under the younger Bush, Powell initially backed

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Cheney said he has been speaking out about the Obama administration although George W Bush remains silent, because if he didn’t [blah, blah, blah, blah, (can no longer be the puppeteer) blah, blah, blah blah.

I expose inconsistencies in poster's comments and my comments are often removed when I do so. Others try to defame posters due to their nationality or in this case mentioning a minor subject of the article. Yes, Powell and Dick are the main subject of the article. However, any institution worth its weight in salt would never give tenure to a Professor who did not mark a paper down on the above issues if a student failed to mention the prior administration. I would have failed my senior thesis in High School if I was addressing the issue above and did not mention Bush. It is obvious to anyone caring to take note that there are conservatives on this thread who are still interested in "dumbing down."

Is it ignorance or racism to state that "Powell only endorsed Obama because he was black?" I don't know. I do know that Powell made an eloquent speech regarding his intentions. Powell is a sincere individual. For posters to use comments to challenge his sincerity when he clearly stated his motivation, is akin to calling him a liar. What petty lives one must lead to defame Powell in such a manner. Disagreeing with his decision is one thing but to say he endorsed Obama because he was black only goes to show their own ignorance to the events in history that preceded his endorsement. Powell clearly questioned the Bush administration on the war long before he endorsed Obama. It was well known that he had been disillusioned by the party's direction for quite a few years prior to his disaffection with McCain.

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Molenir,

I can't say as if my nose DOESN'T need checking. I'm an allergy sufferer so it needs checking often. Be that as it may, your argument still fails the sniff test.

You stated it was all about race. I pointed out that the republican party DID, in fact, have a black candidate.

If it was only about race, why would Powell give his support to the half-black guy when there was a 100% black guy within his own party? And a conservative republican to boot!

If I were a gambling man, I would bet that color of skin had far less to do with it than the actual issues. But, what the hey, why believe me? Let's find out what the man, himself, had to say!

"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

"she's (sarah palin) a very distinguished woman, and she's to be admired," he (Powell) said. "But at the same, now that we have had a chance to watch her for some seven weeks, I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president. And so that raised some question in my mind as to the judgment that Sen. McCain made."

"I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said. "He is a new generation coming ... onto the world stage and on the American stage. And for that reason, I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama."

"I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said. "He is a new generation coming ... onto the world stage and on the American stage. And for that reason, I'll be voting for Senator Barack Obama."

Powell said that as he watched McCain, the Republican “was a little unsure as to how to deal with the economic problems that we were having, and almost every day, there was a different approach to the problem, and that concerned me, sensing that he didn't have a complete grasp of the economic problems that we had."

And regarding the race issue:

Powell, once considered likely to be the nation's first African-American presidential nominee, said his decision was not about race.

Moderator Tom Brokaw said: "There will be some ... who will say this is an African-American, distinguished American supporting another African-American because of race."

Powell, who last year gave Republican John McCain's campaign the maximum $2,300, replied: "If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain, and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this."

"I can't deny that it will be a historic event when an African-American becomes president," Powell continued, speaking live in the studio. "And should that happen, all Americans should be proud — not just African-American, but all Americans — that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It would also not only electrify the country, but electrify the world."

Now, truth be told, I only looked at a few stories so perhaps I'm cherry-picking, but I couldn't find anything in print where Powell stated that he felt it to be his responsibility to vote for (now) President Obama because he is a fellow African-American.

And that still wouldn't explain why Powell wouldn't simply throw his support for the black conservative-republican.

So...yeah. Um....that whole argument thing you had there....

Not so much.

Taka

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Cheney was a friend to the military, another tough talking patriot like Rumsfelf and LImbaugh. Let's hope Powell comes to his senses so, i hope the guy isn't suffering from senile dementia, i really do.

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Hey guys, you're wasting energy here. The propriety of Bush-Cheney's conduct in the War on Terror is not for US NOW to judge, but for history; years from now when the Long War has been won or lost or when the U.S. continues to thrive as a nation or has broken up, destroyed and defeated, when historians will pause and ponder, "maybe they should've/shouldn't've water-boarded those terrorists." But now, the discussion is pointless, since any side could be right or wrong without the benefit of hindsight. Kind of like debating in August 1945 whether it's correct to drop the Atom bombs in Japan. A leader just has to do what he thinks is right and if he's wrong, there's the mockery of the whole of human civilization as a reward. It's pointless to summon the founding fathers either, SezWho2, since I doubt if they had a stand on water-boarding or torture, at a time when Duels were considered honorable and slaves were regarded as only three-fifths of a man.

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Limburgh is taht loud mouthed thug banned from Brirain for his extremist views,and Dick Cheney backs him, does the bloke have any common sense?

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Cheney was a friend to the military....

I should hope so. He owes the military a tremendous debt for its role in protecting Halliburton investments. However, a true friend to military personnel would not send them out on ill-defined missions nor have them fight unwinnable wars.

Tough talk is fine in its place. But when all you have is tough talk you are much more likely to be a bully--which Limbaugh definitely is--than a patriot. Patriots can acknowledge mistakes, errors and can reverse direction. This was sadly lacking in the previous administration.

And, as Gabby Hayes said about tough talk, "A hard-boiled egg always is yaller inside."

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zurcronium: "Limbaugh is a traitor to his country and the retired white angry teabagger losers who take him seriously are not much better. But Limbaugh makes his millions off these disillusioned wingers. It is a big shell game he is running and the poor saps who support him, like Cheney, do not know any better. The bottom 15% of US society, morally that is."

Limbaugh makes his millions the same way Oprah - other side of the political spectrum - makes hers. My hat is off to both of them.

Again, I think I have listened to about ten hours total of Limbaugh.

Not much, but more than his detractors here.

I chuckle to see Canadians ashamed of their own county calling a guy like Limbaugh a traitor. He has donated millons of dollars to patriotic causes.

"...The conservative radio talk-show host turned an inflammatory letter written by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and signed by 41 of his fellow Democrats into a more than $4.2 million gold mine for the kids of Marines and law enforcement personnel killed in the line of duty, all courtesy of eBay..." http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=7090

Likewise, 'evil' Dick Cheney, Dark Lord of Halliburton, gives millions to charity. Conservative in general and Republicans in particular are far more generous than the social engineers on the Left, who prefer to spend your money once elected.

"In one of the largest sums ever donated to charity by a U.S. public official, Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife Lynne gave away nearly $7 million last year to help the poor and to medical research.

"According to income tax information released by the White House on Friday, the Cheneys' adjusted gross income in 2005 was $8,819,006.

"The sum was largely the result of Mr. Cheney's stock options from Halliburton and royalties from three books written by Mrs. Cheney.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/15/02358.shtml?s=ic

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Taka313: "If it was only about race, why would Powell give his support to the half-black guy when there was a 100% black guy within his own party"

This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read. Obama's opponent was a white guy who is a member of Powell's own party, and, like Powell, and unlike Obama, served in the military. Yet Powell voted for Obama. Go figure.

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Taka - You stated it was all about race. I pointed out that the republican party DID, in fact, have a black candidate.

Have you ever read anything by Alan Keyes? If so, you should know immediately why Colin Powell, or for that matter, almost no one supports him. It would be like supporting David Duke. Yes, before the flames start, they're totally different, ones a racist idiot, the other however is a religious nutcase. I'm religious, but I don't carry it to extremes the way that Keyes and some others do. Most Republicans, despite being people of faith, are uncomfortable supporting someone so openly religious. This said, again, your own arguement fails the sniff test. There were 2 candidates, not 3. Alan Keyes wasn't a major candidate by any stretch of the imagination. Powell had 2 choices, he chose the Black guy. Any way you look at it, it was a racist decision.

SezWho - I should hope so. He owes the military a tremendous debt for its role in protecting Halliburton investments. However, a true friend to military personnel would not send them out on ill-defined missions nor have them fight unwinnable wars.

I won't argue with you on the second point. I actually agree with it to a certain extent. Not on the sending the troops, but on the fact that the war was ill-advised, and that he and his faction was the primary motivating factor in Bush's decision. However you're bringing up Halliburton is disingenous at best. Cheney has no interest in Haliburton. Before he became the VP he did. However when he accepted public office, he put all his shares and stocks into a blind trust, and had no more control over it. They sold stocks, bought stocks etc, and at no time did he ever know what he was invested in. So claiming they took care of his company for him is, to put it simply, a bald faced lie. Its smearing the name of a man, who disagree with him or not, has spent much of his life in public service, and giving to his country. I don't agree with Cheney on a lot of issues. I blame him for quite a few things, and hold him accountable along with Bush for their actions. However, if nothing else, I admire the man for his commitment to the country.

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That's right people. We should be honoring rush limbaugh, the man who best exemplifies today's republican values.

A "man" who has given, not just to charity, but to the English language. Some of his offerings:

(to an African-American who called his show) >"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.

Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.

Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?

You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

And what better way to declare you are a patriot than to publicly announce you wish the president to fail.

And before neo-con spittle starts to fly, I can't think of a single American that wanted bush to fail. We wanted him to stop failing but DAMN if that train hadn't picked up speed.

Taka

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"And what better way to declare you are a patriot than to publicly announce you wish the president to fail"

The president is bent on transforming our country into a socialist state where the government controls the banks and the auto companies, and there ain't nuthin' wrong with bein' against that and hoping that the president fails to do that.

"I can't think of a single American that ( who ) wanted bush to fail"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Taka313 comes to mind.

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I am not surprised that the beastly Dick Cheney would like this ghastly man. A man who shouts out and boasts of his homophobia is a rotten bigot.

How anyone could listen to and agree with his views disgusts me, whereas i have never heard nasty things said by Colin Powell.

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molenir,

I HAVE read some of alan keyes' offerings. I agree, he's a few a couple tall ones shy a 6-pack, but that plays in the GOP.

However, YOU said it was all about race. Not about mental capacity or opinion. About the color of Obama's and Powell's skin.

YOUR WORDS:

The only reason I can see, for Powell to endorse Obama over McCain, is race.

Now, it's all about race, except for that one guy.

Noted (did those goal posts just move, or is it just me?).

Another thing I noticed, is then you failed to comment on the actual quotes by Powell I provided. But I guess they didn't matter. Only race did (with one notable exception that didn't exist until I brought it up).

Is this REALLY the argument you want to stick with?

Taka

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Chris - The Rush Limbaugh Show is America's #1 radio talk show. That must really disgust you.

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Sarge, Yes dear it appalls me! I just hope people are listening for a giggle , to laugh at the silly old bigot spouting his vitriol.

He gives America a bad name, and if lots of people like him, it paints Americans in a very poor light indeed.

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Chris - You are as wrong as can be. Limbaugh a bigot? Do you not know of Bo Snerdley?

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On the BBC they played some of his rants. Oh my god, he is so horrible, homophobic and also racist. How can you defend him Sarge? Mr Powell has never said horrid things like that, and he doesn't shout so much either, yucky wucky!

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Chris - Apparently you don't know of Bo Snerdley. If Limbaugh was a rascist, Bo Snerdley would not have the position he has on his program.

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The more I read of Powell the more I think he is one of Washington's ultimate insider/survivor types.

He belongs with the Democrat Party.

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And what better way to declare you are a patriot than to publicly announce you wish the president to fail.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism", remember?

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It seems pretty lame to support some guy who makes deliberately provocative statements while laughing all the way to the bank (a la Eminem) over a man who has served his country all his life, but whatever, it's the land of the free!

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I think much of the so-called argument highlights the diff between consevative and "liberal" - it's often said conservatism is an argument, a debate;modern liberalism is a promise.

Stands to reason that conservatives will gravitate towards talk radio;and it explains why lib enterprises like Air America ("gonna blow Limbaugh outta the water!") failed so miserably - and after displacing outlets for 'minority voices' in many of the urban markets they tried to crack, in one of the many cruel and (probably) unintended ironies the New Left brought about.

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Limbaugh: "I approach my audience with enormous respect..."

"These are the people whose most heartfelt convictions have been dismissed, scorned, and made fun of by the mainstream media. I do not make fun of them."

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Chris Biggins - Sarge, Yes dear it appalls me! I just hope people are listening for a giggle , to laugh at the silly old bigot spouting his vitriol.

If you had ever really bothered to listen to Limbaugh, you would know better. What you just said is the party line. Dems can't refute what he says, and so take the usual tack of accusing him of being a racist bigot. Of course theres no proof to this, and if you bothered to listen to his show, you would know better. But this doesn't matter, all that matters is the accusation, in order to discredit him in the eyes of everyone. Typical tactics of hate, by the party of tolerance, respect, and love. I always find that hypocrisy amusing.

Limbaugh: "I approach my audience with enormous respect..."

Which is the real reason he has a larger audience then most TV programs on their best days.

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Limbaugh: "I approach my audience with my enormous body."

"I approach my audience with my enormous ego."

"I approach my audience with my enormous chins."

"I approach my audience with my enormous racism."

"I approach my audience with my enormous bigotry."

"I approach my audience with my enormous supply of drugs."

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molenir,

"Of course theres no proof to this, and if you bothered to listen to his show, you would know better. But this doesn't matter"

It's funny how you guys always end up making statements like that.

Limbaugh is a hate-filled shock jock who is only hurting the party further every time he opens his mouth. Hopefully his clash with more moderate repbulicans will end up with the sensible one's leaving and forming a new party.

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If you can't bing yourself to stand up and say Limbaugh is a hate-monger,

[yawn]

When did "liberals" become so terrified of that which they could not sanction and micromanage?

Man, I miss the old-fashioned, pro-free speech Left almost as much as I miss old-fashioned fiscal conservatives...

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Limbaugh is a hate-filled shock jock who

Sorry, but I have to ask - how do you, in France, catch Limbaugh's show?

Are you an online subscriber? I can't bring myself to fork out for his show when there is so much else out there and it is free...

Can you provide us with a documented example (taka13 couldn't...) of "hate speech" by Limbaugh?

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teleprompter,

I apologize for all those times I was mean to you.

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Sorry, but I have to ask - how do you, in France, catch Limbaugh's show?

You can catch local radio stations online for free. No need to actually go through Limbaugh's site, and do the 24/7 thing.

Limbaugh is a hate-filled shock jock who is only hurting the party further every time he opens his mouth.

So says another person who has never bothered to listen to the mans show. Limbaugh is about humor more then hate. He mocks liberals, pokes fun at them. Thats the limit. Unlike people on the left, such as say Wanda Sykes, he doesn't go around hoping they die. He doesn't go around inciting others to violence. He uses his free speech to bring humor into the situation, while espousing his own viewpoint. Agree with him, or disagree with him, hes puts on a fun program.

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When did "liberals" become so terrified of that which they could not sanction and micromanage?

The question you should be addressing is why the Republican Party is so terrified of representing a range of voices. You have to march in lockstep or you are personae non grata.

Colin Powell wouldn't waste his time criticizing Rush Limbaugh, but those who have have been forced to apologize to remain in the party's good graces. So much for recognizing the right to hold different opinions and a loyal opposition and all that.

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Limbaugh is about humor more then hate.

Humor before hate, right?

So says another person who has never bothered to listen to the mans show.... He mocks liberals, pokes fun at them.

I have listened to the man on many occasions. I recall during his sign-on after Clinton was elected in '92, it would portray "Day (number) of America Held Hostage." Rhetoric which recalled the Iran hostage crisis.

How does portraying your political opponents as "hostage-takers" and "femi-Nazis" not inspire hatred? If you look at other propaganda-based regimes, they always seem to project their hatred onto their "enemies" the very same way Rush disrepects and dehumanizes his enemies.

I can't imagine any parent who would honestly say they would want their son to become another Rush Limbaugh -- no matter how conservative they are.

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He uses his free speech to bring humor into the situation, while espousing his own viewpoint.

I would wager that if you could first make a vow to try to get to the truth of any given issue, and discipline your mind to genuinely understand the various positions taken by others who have studied it, you would not find Rush Limbaugh all that entertaining. He only serves the continuing brain rot of the non-thinking.

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Yabits,

I really feel I've gained insight into what it must have been like to live through the Chinese Cultural Revolution in which disgraced leaders were revealed to be "capitalist roaders." Now it's ranking Republicans who are first tarred as RINOs and then "Democrats." (Colin Powell has not changed his party affiliation.)

Incidentally, the capitalist roaders, really non-ideologues, turned out to be right.

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How does portraying your political opponents as "hostage-takers" and "femi-Nazis" not inspire hatred?

You think conservatives never noticed that HuffPo, in response to the creepy, gleeful deathwatch that invariably arose every time Cheney was in the news for his heart problems, had to close their comments section ?

Come now - "liberals" spent 8 years likening Bush to Hitler. I won't even touch on the unreal hatred Sarah Palin evokes from the "tolerant" left.

If you look at other propaganda-based regimes, they always seem to project their hatred onto their "enemies" the very same way Rush disrepects and dehumanizes his enemies.

Always with the melodrama and the hyperexageration. Rush Limbaugh is now a regime unto himself?!! If so I have to say it is the Left that gives him his power. Seen his ratings since Obama,taking a page from his hero Alinsky, decided to attack him?

Limbaugh is a radio talk show host. There are probably hundreds in America. I spend a lot of time on conservative/libertarian blogs; his name comes up - but so does Hugh Hewitt's, Dennis Praeger's, Ingrham's (sp?) , Gallagher's, Derbyshire's, etc.

Bizarre. Dems control all 3 branches of gov't and they can't stop angrily obsessing about Rush Limbaugh.

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Bizarre.

Bizarre it right, though watching the Republican Party stomp its way into irrelevancy, led by none other than el Rushbo da man himself, is amusing given how oblivious many of the rank and file seem to be to the danger as they continue to mount the same old assaults on liberals.

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terrifying Rush Limbaugh?

He's only terrifying to Republicans who want to express views contrary to the party line. That's the problem and it can't be solved by bashing liberals.

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You think conservatives never noticed that HuffPo, in response to the creepy, gleeful deathwatch that invariably arose every time Cheney was in the news for his heart problems...

The examples I gave LONG preceded yours. So give Rush a lot credit for helping to lower the level of what passes for political discussion.

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Rush Limbaugh is now a regime unto himself?!!

It is you who are hyperextending my remarks into something I never said. For a "mere entertainer," he certainly has a large percentage of one of the major political parties in the world's most powerful military empire feeding out of his trough.

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Who would you recommend as counterweight to the odious and terrifying Rush Limbaugh?

The only thing that scares me about Limbaugh are the millions of brain-atrophying Americans out there who hang on his words. Americans who'd rather spend their time being lied to in the name of entertainment, rather than informing themselves.

As a counterweight to a steady diet of Rush, I would suggest the local library and full course of reading. Pick ONE issue and really, thoroughly research it so that you know your opponents' points of view as well as you know your own.

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I have listened to the man on many occasions. I recall during his sign-on after Clinton was elected in '92, it would portray "Day (number) of America Held Hostage." Rhetoric which recalled the Iran hostage crisis.

And you don't see the obvious humor in this? And I remember that to. He wasn't drawing parallels to the Iran Hostage crisis, he was making fun of the recent election, and having a Democrat in the White House. Millions of Americans, the majority of whom didn't vote for Bill Clinton, were unhappy about the results of the election, and here he is, making light of the situation. How is that espousing hate, or inciting to violence? Instead those who were upset about the election, began to find it funny as well.

The thing about Limbaugh is, the man is simply brilliant. You can disagree with what he says, be offended by how he presents it, but he has very well reasoned, well thought out arguments, and no trouble presenting them in a entertaining way. This is what so terrifies liberals. They can't do that. They tried with the Liberal Talk shows, but they failed.

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Out of office, and still leading the Republican Party in the wrong direction.

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He wasn't drawing parallels to the Iran Hostage crisis...

That is an extremely foolish or ignorant statement. "Day 45-46-47-48..and on and on, of America held hostage." Day after day, just as ABC's Nightline did.

were unhappy about the results of the election, and here he is, making light of the situation. How is that espousing hate..."

People were unhappy so they turned to Rush to engage in their "victim mentality." There's a difference between espousing hate and rubbing salt on a self-perceived wound. It's not a big difference, since the person who feels himself "taken hostage" might then start to feel justified to spout hatred. Just as so many of Rush's listeners do.

the man is simply brilliant.

I will not deny that the man is deviously brilliant.

As for so-called liberal talk shows, I can't say. I have heard a few and some, like Rachel Maddow's are pretty entertaining too. But I will take time to tune into a program in order to learn something. And there is more valuable information being passed in just one hour of Fareed Zakaria's Sunday show on CNN than in an entire month of Rush's non-stop axe-grinding and recriminations.

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teleprompter,

Can you provide us with a documented example (taka13 couldn't...) of "hate speech" by limbaugh?

It's not that I couldn't provide you with sources. To be honest, I've noticed that you've been a bit out of sorts of late. When I get down, I like to take on a project, you know, do something for myself that gives me a sense of accomplishment. I had not provided links earlier because I believed that accomplishing something for yourself would provide the boost, you appear to need (and if I am wrong, I apologize).

But, if I cannot feed your sense of a job well done, allow me to, at the very least, feed your sense of entitlement. You felt entitled to links to rush's hate speech, here are a few:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-huberman/rush-limbaugh-is-still-sc_b_24724.html

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549

http://www.cbssports.com/print/columns/story/9947327

No need to thank me. You are welcome. Hope you are feeling better too!

Taka

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As mentioned recently OBL and Rush Limbaugh both want the USA to fail. And both are doing everything they can to make that happen. Its too bad that with Limbaugh many fake americans are supporting him. No real patriot would support such a racist and hatefilled loser who has a dopey radio show. And he is a drug addict to boot. Maybe Bernie Madoff can get a radio show too from prison, sure the wingers would love him too.

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Betzee,

He's only terrifying to republicans who want to express views contrary to the party line. That's the problem and it can't be solved by bashing liberals.

VERY good point, Betzee. You don't see Keith Olbermann, Sen. (elect) Al Franken or this particular liberal, scared of rush. Nor do I feel the need to apologize to him for anything.

republican officials, on the other hand...

RNC Chairman michael steele:

rush is not the head of the republican pParty. He's an "entertainer" whose show is "incendiary" and "ugly."

followed by...

"My intent was not to go after rush - I have enormous respect for rush limbaugh..."

and...

"I was maybe a little bit inarticulate (Taka's note: incendiary and ugly seem pretty articulate to me)... There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership."

"I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren’t what I was thinking..." (to this one, a better reply, IMO, would have been, "I went back to that tape and I realized thoughtful words had managed to escape. It won't happen again. REALLY!")

Congressman phil gingrey (R-GA):

"I mean, it’s easy if you’re sean hannity or rush limbaugh or even sometimes newt gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don't have to try to do what's best for your people and your party. "

followed by:

"I clearly ended up putting my foot in my mouth on some of those comments and I just wanted to tell you, rush, [...] that I regret those stupid comments."

Governor mark sanford (R-SC):

"Anybody who wants [President Obama] to fail is an idiot, because it means we're all in trouble..."

followed by:

sanford’s Communications Director, said that "the governor was not referring to anyone" in particular.

Yep. rush sure does scare people.

Taka

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Taka writes: "RNC Chairman michael steele:"

And it must be very upsetting to Rush to see his Republican Party being led by a black quarterback.

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Its too bad that with Limbaugh many fake americans are supporting him. No real patriot would support such a racist and hatefilled loser who has a dopey radio show.

Yes, many Americans do support Rush. Of course no real American would call him a racist hatefilled loser, only a fake american who actually is a racist hatefilled loser would say something like that.

Suggesting that he wants Obama to fail, is somehow treason? With Obama wanting to turn the country to socialism, I want him to fail too. Any real American should. Wanting Obama to fail in his efforts to turn the US into another Cuba, isn't treason, its patriotism. On the other hand, supporting Obama in his efforts is treason.

How ya like having the shoe on the other foot for a change? :)

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molenir,

you are not even close. Sure the 15% of the deadenders, retired white guys filled with anger about everything, listen to him. Radio, who cares, its so 1950s, just like most of his listeners.

Fact is Obama is President, remember you guys lost the election. So if he fails the country fails. Like bush failed in Iraq, and the USA loses. You get it. Simple enough?? Limbaugh, OBL and anti-america hate america first posters like you all are on the same page. I suppose you want 20% unemployment and 100 million uninsured and kids failing in school. Republicans are so far gone they attack what they claim to love, the USA. Good thing we democrats can protect the country now from the republican terrorists and radio durg-addicted radicals.

Oh, and guess what. The USA is already socialist. Bush spent a trillion to bail out the finance industry. That is socialism. Wake up! He bailed out AIG, socialism. Bailed out citibank, socialism. That battle is over and Bush, like everything else he touched, screwed it up. Free market nuttiness is over, that is what brought on the near depression again now, like in the 1930s.

Those shoes fit??

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Molenir -

supporting Obama in his efforts is treason.

You've just accused every last man and woman serving in the US military of treason. I have to wonder how Limbaugh or Cheney or Powell, or better yet, John McCain, would respond to such a statement.

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"he ( Limbaugh ) is a drug addict"

Heck, every smoker and coffee drinker is a drug addict, heh heh.

I wonder why Cheney, who could just be spending his days quietly hunting, fishing or playing golf, is bothering to appear on Face the Nation.

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you are not even close. Sure the 15% of the deadenders, retired white guys filled with anger about everything, listen to him. Radio, who cares, its so 1950s, just like most of his listeners.

Have you bothered to look at his market penetration? If you had, you would realize that most of his listeners are younger, not retired white guys. And the people spewing the most hate, are pretty much all Dems like yourself who can't be bothered to actually listen to him. Just lie after lie after lie. So by all means zucronium, continue your lying hate filled screed against a decent American. It says more about you then it does about anyone else.

Fact is Obama is President, remember you guys lost the election. So if he fails the country fails. Like bush failed in Iraq, and the USA loses. You get it. Simple enough??

Actually, if he fails, the US wins. Particularly in the long run. If he succeeds, the US loses. So, unlike Bush in Iraq, it would be better for Obama to fail. Unlike some on the left however, I'm not suggesting Obama should die, or have a heart attack or something. Care to talk about Wanda Sykes?

Free market nuttiness is over, that is what brought on the near depression again now, like in the 1930s.

Starting to get a bit off topic here, but I'll go ahead and respond. You obviously have done no research on the subject, else you wouldn't say this. The Free Market by itself wouldn't have collapsed the way it did. I'm not some nutcase who thinks it was a conspiracy or something like that. Too many people on both sides think that way. No, I think it was political malfeasance and ineptness on the part of the government that allowed this, and even encouraged this to happen. When Barney Frank threatened the banking industry unless they gave more loans to under privileged Americans, honestly, what did people think would happen? When he then acted to prevent Bush from stepping in, again, what did people think would happen? This wasn't all that hard to predict. Oh, not the total financial meltdown that occurred, but seeing all these investments failing. It was obvious that the real-estate bubble was going to burst. If it was obvious to me, don't you think it was obvious to some of the people who worked for these banks.

I don't excuse Bush either. About the only things he did right, was in cutting taxes, and his initial response to 9-11. Far as I'm concerned, he was a horrible President. He set up the Bailout, he presided over the biggest increase in entitlement spending in 40 years, he led us into an unnecessary war, and he spent like a drunken sailor. Oh wait, you guys like the spending. You fully support Obama's budget after all. You know the one recently passed that includes the largest deficit in history. Based on this, I'd say Bush was Obama Lite.

You've just accused every last man and woman serving in the US military of treason.

lol, did you really take that seriously? Go back and read my previous post again. I thought it was rather obvious I was mocking those on the left who want to constantly throw out the word traitor. Oh, I do think that anyone who supports Obama's socialist agenda is an idiot, and should be thrown out of office, but traitor... No. Even if that was the case however, its a far cry from soldiers who are constitutionally mandated to follow their commander in chief. Particularly when the discussion was economics, not the military. I said socialism, not fascism.

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"if he ( Obama ) fails the country fails"

No, if he fails, capitalism survives and the country wins!

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Cheney shoots his friends rather than ducks when he goes hunting. Do we really care about his assessment of Powell? He's not likely to be on target, so to speak.

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Molenir -

With Obama wanting to turn the country to socialism, I want him to fail too. Any real American should. Wanting Obama to fail in his efforts to turn the US into another Cuba, isn't treason, its patriotism. On the other hand, supporting Obama in his efforts is treason.

Oh, I do think that anyone who supports Obama's socialist agenda is an idiot, and should be thrown out of office, but traitor... No.

Yes, I did take it seriously, because you meant it seriously; now, you're backpedalling. Checkmate.

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Yes, I did take it seriously, because you meant it seriously; now, you're backpedalling. Checkmate.

Interesting that you quoted my above post, but left off the last line. How amusing, now you're trying to twist my words into meanings I didn't intend. Since you're evidently reading impaired, let me help you.

How ya like having the shoe on the other foot for a change? :)

Not like it matters however, particularly when you read this thread and see 4 other posters all saying that Obama is a traitor. Regardless of his position, I don't go that far.

Cheney shoots his friends rather than ducks when he goes hunting. Do we really care about his assessment of Powell? He's not likely to be on target, so to speak.

Hehe, good one.

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molenir,

you need to study a bit more to keep up. Fact is failure does not means success. That is only a simple twisting of words that your drug addict limbuagh uses to confuse you. He is expert at confusing his audience and for some reason you retired angry white guys lap it up.

At least you recognize that bushs failures were failures that hurt our country. Massive one. If Obama fails it will of course also hurt the country. Again failure is failure. Calling failure success is incredibly cynical and basically stupid as well.

Your grasp of the mixed economy, look it up, that is the US economy is not very strong. Bush pushed that along significantly with with his medicaid bill which was socialism for the drug companies benefit. Again, simply look it up. Any neutral source will give you the truth, hint, that is not limbuagh who is in the pocket of the republican corruption machine. He has not got global warming yet, that says it all. He would rather have the world drown than accept reality.

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Amazing how many people here think of Limbaugh as something other than what he really is - a media creation used by the Republican Party to get one segment of their support fired up and make sure they make it out to the voting booths on election day. It was a strategy that worked well for a while. But the Indian went off the reservation and now thinks he IS the Republican party. Maybe he actually is now, but it was never the plan for the "base" to takeover the party from the inside, they were there to be used. But then when you make a deal with the devil, you get what you have coming. Amazing that Cheney doesn't understand how his own party was set up and is supposed to work - keep middle America voting for you so you and your big business friends are free to line your pockets - but then that isn't a surprise because he is a fool. Limbaugh is the death of the Republican party, not saying that is a good thing, just that it is the reality. And Cheney is too clueless to see that.

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That is only a simple twisting of words that your drug addict limbuagh uses to confuse you. He is expert at confusing his audience and for some reason you retired angry white guys lap it up.

2 things here. First, ex-drug addict is I believe what you meant to say. I know this concept can be rather difficult to grasp, but when you cease a behavior, the behavior is then referred to in the past tense. Second thing. Limbaughs audience isn't confused. I realize this can be hard for you lying liberal hatemongers, but please try.

Any neutral source will give you the truth, hint, that is not limbuagh who is in the pocket of the republican corruption machine. He has not got global warming yet, that says it all. He would rather have the world drown than accept reality.

And 2 more here. First Republican corruption machine. While I won't deny corruption exists within the republican ranks, its not true to suggest that its either pervasive, or that its soley the province of Republicans. In point of fact, the thing Democrats are known for more then anything else is corruption. 3 California Dems, including Pelosi are having issue with corruption. Add in Jefferson, who fits the very definition of cold cash, and you have evidence of widespread corruption. So much for Dems promises of change you can believe in eh? Contrast this with the now embarrassing conviction of former Alaska Senator Ted Stephens, whose conviction was thrown out. Turns out the prosecutors hid evidence that would have gotten their case tossed out. Regarding Global warming, there are a lot of people who look at the so called evidence and say, where is it. The climate models used being used to predict this are so inaccurate, they're a complete joke. This really isn't the thread for the global warming debate, so I'll stop here.

I laugh out loud at your "accusation" of "twisting your words"; I quoted you exactly. Since you're evidently writing impaired, may I suggest you pick a position and stick to it. Your attempts to dig yourself out of the hole you've dug for yourself are quite frankly pathetic.

Ah, I get you now, ignore what I say, and instead attack me for using obvious sarcasm. You're good friends with zucronium aren't you. Either that or you really are reading impaired. No backpedaling at all. I made an obviously sarcastic post to which you responded seriously. I responded pointing out the sarcasm to which you responded by claiming you quoted my post, despite leaving off the most important part, and then saying I actually meant it. Does this help?

Allow me to reiterate, I don't care if you think I believe Obama or those who agree with his socialist agenda are traitors. There were at least 3 other posters who said precisely that. There were about that many who said Limbaugh and Cheney were traitors. I don't agree with either position. Obama is a nut, and so are all those who support him, and want him to succeed in his desires to destroy the American dream, but hey, its freedom baby. He's the President, he can try to overthrow the US economy, when he gets tossed out on his can in 4 years, the next President will have to try and fix it.

Limbaugh is the death of the Republican party, not saying that is a good thing, just that it is the reality. And Cheney is too clueless to see that.

This idea that the Republicans are finished unless they move to the center is quite frankly nonsense. In fact the reverse is true. They are finished unless they distinguish themselves from Dems. Otherwise whats the point. Thats why they lost the last election. Everyone thought of them as Democrat lite. They abandoned their core values of limited government and freedom, for big government and massive overspending. Yes, the war didn't help things either. The point being, if they want to get back in power, they need to reassert their core principles. They need to clearly stand for limited government, and economic change. Otherwise then, they'll go back to being a minority party for the next 20 years.

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Molenir - Stop embarrassing yourself. Now.

Obama is a nut, and so are all those who support him, and want him to succeed in his desires to destroy the American dream, but hey, its freedom baby.

Let me make this as absolutely basic as possible: we in the US military take our orders from the President of the United States of America, thus we support him. Your above statement makes it clear that you lump us troops in with what you call "nuts". Before that, you lumped us in with what you call "traitors". I take this from clearly, plainly, and competently reading your posts. And I beg to differ.

I don't give a damn about your position on Obama, Cheney, Powell, or Limbaugh. I'm telling you to stop disparaging us troops in your posts.

I'm done with you.

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"we in the US military take our orders from the President of the United States of America, thus we support him."

But when Bush was president of the United States of America. you didn't support him, you trashed him on this site.

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But when Bush was president of the United States of America. you didn't support him, you trashed him on this site.

...and followed every order I was given to the letter, much like Republicans who serve today follow Obama's. It's mentioned in the Oath of Enlistment; you might want to introduce yourself to it.

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Molenir said:

The thing about Limbaugh is, the man is simply brilliant. You can disagree with what he says, be offended by how he presents it, but he has very well reasoned, well thought out arguments ...

Saying the man is brilliant tells us a hell of a lot about you.

"His father and mother wanted him to attend college, so he enrolled at Southeast Missouri State University. He dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, "he flunked everything" ..."

The above is from Wikipedia.

As far as Rush having the most popular radio show in America. 90% of his listeners do not have a television much less a computer and the internet. Many of them forgo running water to afford the hours of bliss with Rush.

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90% of his listeners do not have a television

Hey, be fair now - old pickup trucks do not normally have TVs.

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Perhaps someone could explain why it is that so many of Limbaugh's audience ends up at the doctor's office with scraped knuckles and gravel embedded in them?

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goodDonkey - Sure, I'll take a crack at that. Those ole pickup trucks do not always run so well and need to be pushed on occasion. Going up hill is OK, but going down - when you are in front, back against the cab and holding onto the bumper trying to restrain the forward movement - you sometimes slip in the gravel. Al least that is what I have been told.

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90% of his listeners do not have a television much less a computer and the internet.

So let's see - Limbaugh generates enough ad revenue for stations and networks carrying his show that he recently secured an 8 yr. / $400, 000, 000 contract.

400 million dollars.

That makes the estimates that he has at least 20, 000, 000 listeners nationwide sound plausible.If JT is representative it sounds like he has a few in Canada as well. :)

GooDdonkey then, wishes us to believe America is home to something like 18, 000, 000 folks w/o internet access, TVs, or computers - all of them white, male and "angry."

So I guess all the folks out there - you know, the consumers indirectly paying Limbaugh's obscene salary - are his wealthy and clever "liberal" superiors.

Pat yourself on the back!

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That means an average listener need to spend $00.0068493150684931506849315068493151 or less than 7/10 cents a day on all the products advertised that day on Rush's show to pay his salary. That is according to your figures provided.

are his wealthy and clever "liberal" superiors

Wealthy, You are hilarious!!!!

Formula is 50 million a year salary divided by 365 days a year distributed among 20 million listeners. Do the Math !!!!

Wow 7/10 cents a day. That is less than a nickle a week on average per listener. Those rich listeners. Ha ha ha ha ha! "Your a riot Alice!"

I think you forgot who goodDonkey is.

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So go on, be a good, dutiful "Liberal" and boycott Clear Channel clients -

Budweiser, Cheap Tickets.com,

Google (!) Home Depot,

Homestead Hotels,

Marshall Field's, McDonald's,

Michigan Lottery, Outback Steakhouse,

Slim-Fast, State Farm Insurance, Verizon Wireless...

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You've gotta love America! Cheney backs Limbaugh?? Here we have 2 old loosers, griping that everything America stands for is being "taken away" by mirnorities like Powell and Obama. These 2 republican ditto head fools are the best thing that could happen to the US Democratic party! The more and more these 2 fools spew out their venom, the more and more Americans can wake up and understand what the Republican vision of America and the world is like for 2 old and twisted farts like Cheney and Limbaugh.

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It can only be helpful for more Americans to understand what the Republican vision is. Assuming they have one. I've said many times I'm conservative more then I'm Republican. I for one was bitterly disappointed in the previous President who in point of fact despite the Republican tag, was more of a Democrat then most Democrats. Only stayed true to 2 core Republican principles, Faith, and Taxes. On everything else, he made it seem like Republicans were the same as Democrats.

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Bush was 100% pure republican, bankrupt the government just like reagan and ruin the economy just like his Dad. Oh, and start two wars that have failed. Amazing now his dunderhead supporters for the last 8 years with all his failures are now turning on him.

But bush did also destroy his party and then just left it to slowly die. Now the idiot twins of limbaugh the drug addict and cheney the war criminal can fill the leadership void. Can we democrats be any more happy? This proves that God indeed is a democrat.

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Molenir writes: "despite the Republican tag, [Bush] was more of a Democrat then most Democrats."

My scale stops at extremely ludicrous. This goes far beyond that.

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The reason cheney is backing limbaugh is torture. The more that comes out; the more blood on dick's hands. dickie-boy may be starting to get a little worried, at least, if he's smart.

A former FBI interrogator just came out and said none of the information he got from abu zubaydah was gained through torture. The torture actually caused him to clam up.

Then there's more pictures at Abu Ghraib. The only people who know how serious those pictures are, are the photographers, victims, the bush league presidency and Pres. Obama's inner circle. Of the last two, the president has delayed their release and dick is doing his best to say that it was all for the best.

Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but it's plain to see that dick is doing a lot of tap dancing and for someone with a bad (or no) heart, it's really out of character.

Taka

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Bush was 100% pure republican, bankrupt the government just like reagan and ruin the economy just like his Dad. Oh, and start two wars that have failed. Amazing now his dunderhead supporters for the last 8 years with all his failures are now turning on him.

Republicans stand for limited government, lower taxes, strong defense etc. Did Bush? The answer, on 2 out of the 3 was no. What about Dems? They want to massively expand the role of government, believing somehow that inefficient, unelected bureaucrats would be better at running their lives then they would. Now, did Bush massively expand government? The answer, hell yes. He took the core Democratic beliefs and ran with em. I can't help it if you want to deny this, but regardless it is simple truth. And the reason that so many people abandoned Republicans. When theres no difference between Reps and Dems, why not go with the ones who at least do what they claim, rather then the ones who lie and say they support limited government.

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Republicans stand for limited government, lower taxes, strong defense etc. Did Bush?

Republicans say they are for those things. Doing the opposite doesn't make them Democrats. It makes them liars.

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Agreed, except of course for those who actually do stand for this. While there has to be some compromises in order for anything to get done, it should not be done by getting rid of the core principles that you stand for. Those who do this are as you say, liars. Oddly enough, my own rep in congress is one of the few I respect. Jeff Flake. Says hes against earmarks and wasteful government spending, and in all the years he has been in congress, he has never asked for one. Consistently votes against em too. He's a bit of a nut on Cuba, but a good conservative nonetheless.

Getting a bit off topic now though so back to Limbaugh and Cheney, who though I respect him for his years in public service, I don't support for the disastrous policies he supported under Bush.

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Molenir: "I don't support the disastrous policies he ( Cheney ) supported under Bush"

The disastrous policies which have prevented any more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil for nearly 8 years and liberated two countries?

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The disastrous policies which have prevented any more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil for nearly 8 years and liberated two countries?

Prevented terorist attacks, anybody cud say that, in fact the reason there were no attacks on the US is all due to my efforts not dick & the shrub!

And for Iraq & Afghanistan....... well especially in the latter its liberation is extremely tenuous, if foreign troops left how long before Kabul falls, I bet not long. Iraq....... if foreign troops left its a long shot imo it cud last in its current form.

And how many dead & how much destruction in the interim, plenty thats what.

Bush shud have stuck to Afghanistan & done the job right but no he had to do something stupid based on lies & deceit, that wud be Iraq.

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The disastrous policies which have prevented any more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil for nearly 8 years and liberated two countries?

Not the policies I was referring to, though I wasn't in favor of the war either. I recognize that having become engaged, pulling out prematurely wasn't an option. No, the policies I was referring to specifically there were his economic policies. Such as the prescription drug disaster. An entitlement program that is costing a huge amount.

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Cheney and Limbaugh are conservatives. Powell is a Liberal who used Republicans to advance his career. Of course Cheney supports Limbaugh over Powell. Powell isn't even a Republican as he endorsed Obama for president last year.

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Wolfpack cut to the chase and got it exactly right.

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liberated? certainly plenty of souls where liberated by the r-sole

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