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Chile says it recognizes a Palestinian state

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About 100 other countries have recognized statehood—most after Palestinians declared “independence” in 1988,

The parentheses shows the pro-Israeli bias of AP. The Palestinians really did declare independence just like a lot of other nations. There is nothing murky about it. Its just that Israel refuses to end the occupation and there is no political will to get them out, which pretty much foils the ability to set up a working government.

Over 100 countries is half of all the nations of the world. So what pompous person over-rides half the world's recognition of the Palestinian declaration of independence with a set of parentheses??

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which pretty much foils the ability to set up a working government.

They don't really need help failing, all their food money goes towards rockets and their whole system is horribly corrupt.

So what pompous person over-rides half the world's recognition of the Palestinian declaration of independence with a set of parentheses??

Among those who have not recognized the state are the European Union, Japan, Australia, and the United States...so most of the industrialized world. Considering the U.S lists Hamas as a terrorist organizatin it's hardly surprising.

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Although some nations have yet to officially recognize the state of Palestine, all nations recognize that the land taken in 1967 is Occupied Palestinian Territories and that ALL settlements on that land are illegal.

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So what pompous person over-rides half the world's recognition of the Palestinian declaration of independence

Thanks TheQuestion, for answering my question.

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They don't really need help failing

Funny. When I was in junior high, that is what the bullies would say after they tripped people walking down the hallway. I am glad to see Chile make a stand against the bully Israel, the country that is keeping the cycle of violence going more than anything or anyone.

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runwithscissors: Its just that Israel refuses to end the occupation and there is no political will to get them out

Why is there no political will to get them out?

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Why is there no political will to get them out?

Groups like AIPAC wield a lot of power. Any US leader that would decide to go against Israeli wishes would certainly be attacked by the MSM or assasinated.

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No need to comment, Sabi, I can already assume that your response will involve powerful, faceless people who control everything and assassinations. I was speaking more to the people who could give me an answer that didn't involve the plot for the next movie in the Saw series.

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Thanks TheQuestion, for answering my question.

No problem, although 'pompous' is a bit much. Most of those countries are just protecting their own interests. There's more to gain siding with Israel than with Palestine.

When I was in junior high, that is what the bullies would say after they tripped people walking down the hallway.

That comparison is largely invalid. While past blockades have kept aid out its those within Palestine that squander food and money donations from around the world (a whole lot of it from organizations within the U.S) on a fruitless war with Israel. For it's part Israel response attacks, while hugely disproportionate, are just that, a reaction to Palestinian aggression.

If we're going to talk about bullies though I'd say it looks more like a scrawny kid with something to prove who, week after week, keeps picking fights with the larger boy in the class that the teacher likes more. The larger boy, for his part, reacts by roundhouse kicking the scrawny kid in the chest for the discourtesy every single time. Now his grades are in the toilet, he's spent all his money on second rate instructional videos he bought from the Iranian kid at the back of the class, but he keeps on going at it. The first few times I felt sorry for the scrawny kid because he did get a pretty raw deal, but after the 9th or 10th time I can't help but wonder why he won't sit down, shut up, and get some work done?

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TheQuestion, I really cannot understand why its so hard for you to understand that jailed people have nothing better to do than lash out at their jailors. Get some work done? With what? All the Israelis let them have is coal, and you wonder why they don't make diamonds.

Most of those countries are just protecting their own interests. There's more to gain siding with Israel than with Palestine.

Can't argue there. Principles always come after profit, don't they?

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There's more to gain siding with Israel than with Palestine.

For the leaders, yes; for the general population, no! I prefer siding with humanity.

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runwithscissors: I really cannot understand why its so hard for you to understand that jailed people have nothing better to do than lash out at their jailors.

Oh they're free to last out at their jailors. I just don't understand why you don't understand that by using terrorism they will never achieve their goals and actually serves to protect Israel from any real international pressure. Wanting change is an appropriate goal, but doing it in such a way that you guarantee change can never be created is counterproductive. The military option has never and will never work for the Palestinians. They'd be much better off following Ghandi and Martin Luther King than Iran.

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I really cannot understand why its so hard for you to understand that jailed people have nothing better to do than lash out at their jailors.

It's not a jail if they can leave and judging by all the Palestinians living in my neighborhood they most certainly can. Additionally food and money has been sent to Palestine for years and it's been squandered to fund their pointless attacks on Israel.

Get some work done? With what?

They can go the china route, cheap labor. Start letting foreign companies build factores and start investing with the money they get in donations instead of buying piss poor weapons from the Iranians. If they've got a problem with Israel building their settlements how about they pool their money and build the settlements first and then lease the property to Israeliis. But that would be siding with profit over pinciple.

To be perfectly honest this whole problem could be resolved if the Palestinians started thinking with their pocket books.

I prefer siding with humanity.

Then why side with either of them? Neither side is a shining example of humanity, both are corrupt, but Palestine offers nothing while Israel has made itself into one of the most stable and successful economies in the region.

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It's not a jail if they can leave and judging by all the Palestinians living in my neighborhood they most certainly can.

They cannot leave freely. Many die because they cannot leave Gaza to get medical treatment. There have also been cases where Palestinians had scholarships to study abroad, but were not allowed to leave. Gaza is a prison, and what Israel is doing is illegal and disgusting.

Billions of American tax-payer money are continually sent to fund Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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sabiwabi: Billions of American tax-payer money are continually sent to fund Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity.

And some of us are happy that your fantasies will lead to endless frustration. Have fun with that.

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Start letting foreign companies build factores and start investing with the money they get in donations instead of buying piss poor weapons from the Iranians.

I guess you are not aware that the Israelis block exports from Gaza. You can be sure foreign companies will not invest there.

If they've got a problem with Israel building their settlements how about they pool their money and build the settlements first and then lease the property to Israelis.

I guess you are not aware that the Israelis are constantly demolishing Palestinian buildings. It also seems one must Jewish to get a building permit to build on the Occupied Palestinian Territories!!!

You really should learn something about what is going on there, rather than simply pasting Israeli talking points.

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They cannot leave freely.

So the thousands of Palestinians in the U.S and abroad snuck out in the dead of night, some with enough money to open four bakeries and a coffee shop within spitting distance of of the Renaissance Center. All the Palestinian immigrants I know left because they kept getting robbed so they sold their businesses and moved, apparently it wasn't that difficult.

I guess you are not aware that the Israelis block exports from Gaza. You can be sure foreign companies will not invest there.

Then it's time to lower their standards and negotiate more. No matter how you spin it Israel has the upper hand and the Palestinian authority is not willing to compromise, small economies don't get to talk to big economies on an even playing field. The level of corruption and embezzlement cases on the governing level there are in Palestine doesn't exactly help their case.

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No matter how you spin it Israel has the upper hand ...

Yeah, just as the Nazis had the upper hand versus the camp inmates.

Fortunately, the rest of the world is waking up, and Israel is becoming ever so isolated. Israel better return to the 1967 border quickly, or else they might end up losing big time.

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Yeah, just as the Nazis had the upper hand versus the camp inmates.

Your comparison lacks substance. Palestinians can leave and many have left. International aid continues to come into Palestine and it has its own governing authority.

Fortunately, the rest of the world is waking up, and Israel is becoming ever so isolated. Israel better return to the 1967 border quickly, or else they might end up losing big time.

Maybe with a few countries that they don't interact with anyway. All the politicians in the world can talk as much as they want about how much they despise it's actions but the fact remains that Israel is a bastion of economic stability in the Middle East and one of the only markets that western nations can deal with on equal terms. I can think of no reason in the short or long term that Israel would want to return to old borders. Their population is increasing and they are attracting more investers every year and its neighbors lack the strength to force them even if they had incentive, which they don't.

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Palestinians can leave and many have left.

There is absolutely no reason why they should have to leave. That is their land, the Israelis are illegally occupying it, and destroying Palestinian homes, illegally blockading them, and preventing their exports.

The Israelis must leave the occupied territories, the world must force it to do so.

Israel is a bastion of economic stability in the Middle East

Yeah, thanks to the naive American taxpayers. Any "nation" that would receive an equal per capita financial and military aid would be at least equally "stable".

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The "Palestinians" were offered a state in 1948, which was larger than what they have now, but turned it down because the destruction of Israel was more important than statehood. And it's been the same ever since. The Palis really don't want a state because not only would it mean recognizing Israel, but they could no longer blame Israel for all of their failures.

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The "Palestinians" were offered a state in 1948, which was larger than what they have now...

No, Palestine was much larger than what they have now. In 1948, someone who had no authority to do so handed the best land to a group of Jews.

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Palestine was a part of other empires. It was not an independent country in anything that could be termed recent history. The someone you refer to is the UN and you seem to be suggesting they have authority now. What makes you say they did not then. You are not making much sense.

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The someone you refer to is the UN and you seem to be suggesting they have authority now.

Are you suggesting that the UN or Britain (with the Balfour Declaration) had any right to take away the land from the Palestinians and hand it over to the group of people who had no ties to the region?

And if you're saying the UN has authority, why are the UN's constant calls for the Israelis to move back to the 1967 borders ignored? I guess the UN only has authority when it suits the Israelis.

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There were Palestinian Jews and Arabs. The UN gave part of Palestine to the Palestinian Jews and part to Palestinian Arabs. The Palestinians balked and lost because of that. That is not the UN's fault.

Anyway, my main point is that there was no independent Palestinian state to be stolen at the time you are claiming. It was a part of one empire or another and empires do what they wish with the land they control.

Anyway, you were wrong about everything in your post that I responded to. Any reason you can not tell fact from fiction?

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There were Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and Jews. The UN gave the best part of Palestine to the European Jews.

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The UN gave part to Palestinian Jews living in Palestine. Don't like it? Go back in time and change the facts. Better yet, learn some.

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