China accuses Philippines of deliberately crashing one of its ships into a Chinese vessel

Most of these articles leave out a crucial point: the Spratley Islands are contested and claimed in the entirety by four countries - Vietnam, Philippines, China and Taiwan (who also employ high powered water cannons).

So Taiwan is a country now? This is progress.

Most of these articles leave out a crucial point: the Spratley Islands are contested and claimed in the entirety by four countries - Vietnam, Philippines, China and Taiwan (who also employ high powered water cannons).

Clarification - three UN recognized countries and one unrecognized breakaway region.

Clarification - three UN recognized countries and one unrecognized breakaway region.

China's not a nation?

I'm ok with that as a recognition.

Nope. Anyone can easily establish the PRC has UN recognition.

Nope. Anyone can easily establish the PRC has UN recognition.

Nevertheless, Taiwan is an independent nation.

Taiwan is an independent nation.

Everyone who matters knows this.

JJE @ 1.16pm

Don't recognise sarcasm when you see it?

3:24 AM so pitch dark. PH Coast Guard likely forgot to turn on the radar or it wasn't working properly.

Some don't recognize facts when they see it too.

The Philippines should shoot back that they were only ramming pirates in Philippine waters. Couldn't possibly be a Chinese vessel.

JJEToday 12:57 pm JST

Most of these articles leave out a crucial point: the Spratley Islands are contested and claimed in the entirety by four countries - Vietnam, Philippines, China and Taiwan (who also employ high powered water cannons).

Of no relevance as to why Chinese ships would be the ones making illegal provocations. Good to see you acknowledging that Taiwan is not China, though.

“The Chinese coast guard took control measures against the Philippine ship in accordance with law and regulation,” spokesman Gan Yu said.

Chinese Law, not International Law and regulations not agreed to by any of the other nations in the South China Seas!!!

Surely, more pirate behavior from China to follow!!

China has no shame!!

Read the article - this is about the dangerous, poor seamanship-like and criminally irresponsible Philippine naval cabal deliberately crashing their ship into an innocent vessel. All indicative of their general conduct. They are a danger to themselves and legal vessels in the area and the high seas in general.

China's military objective may be to harass and bully their perceived enemy, but it is childish, and their theatrics are going to get someone killed.

Is Taiwan's claim on the Spratley Islands legitimate?

"this is about the dangerous, poor seamanship-like and criminally irresponsible behavior"

So, how do you describe the behavior of the Chinese Coast Guard using knives and axes?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/06/26/asia-pacific/philippines-south-china-sea-china/

Or the behavior of the Chinese Coast Guard using water cannons ?

https://thediplomat.com/2024/05/china-coast-guard-again-fires-water-cannons-at-philippine-vessels-near-disputed-shoal/

Not really Recommended Good General Conduct of a country claiming to preserve peace in the South China Seas is it?

For those not in the know or in denial the USA Navy handed over an unwanted warship to the Republic of China in 1946 who dutifully steamed down to the largest island in the Spratlys, Taiping Island, and planted the flag for the Chinese nation. ROC and PRC claims to the SCS are nearly identical in size with the exception of a demarkation in the Gulf of Tonkin by Vietnam and China.

ROC forces remain on Taiping Island to this day.

It's not the first time you've admitted that you believe Taiwan is a country. I believe that you understand that it is, but are afraid to admit it for whatever reason.

Clarification - three UN recognized countries and one unrecognized breakaway region.

JJEToday 01:35 pm JST

Read the article - this is about the dangerous, poor seamanship-like and criminally irresponsible Philippine naval cabal deliberately crashing their ship into an innocent vessel.

An "innocent vessel" which had no business being there and should f off right now. We've seen Chinese seamanship, sailing in front of other vessels.

Is Taiwan's claim on the Spratley Islands legitimate?

Dunno, you are the one that keeps bring it up as if it has any relevance in the world to the PRC's behavior. You should first answer whether Taiwan is a country and whether it is the same as China.

You can feel the underlying authoritarianism with the words the Chinese use. Words like entirely responsible and indisputable sovereignty as if the matter has already been decided. They simply don’t know how to act or behave on the international stage, in fact is there a single neighbor with which they don’t have conflict and issues?

Very much feels like they are picking a fight with the Philippines, quite strategically. Calling the Philippines coast guard the aggressor too is bordering on Orwellian.

They do it because they know they can. Until know there’s been very little consequences to their aggressive bully boy ‘might is right’ tactics.

deanzaZZRToday 01:56 pm JST

For those not in the know or in denial the USA Navy handed over an unwanted warship to the Republic of China in 1946 who dutifully steamed down to the largest island in the Spratlys, Taiping Island, and planted the flag for the Chinese nation. ROC and PRC claims to the SCS are nearly identical in size with the exception of a demarkation in the Gulf of Tonkin by Vietnam and China.

ROC forces remain on Taiping Island to this day.

Good for Free Taiwan. I guess this is the only argument the apologist has left.

UN recognition? UN, where china and russia hold permanent seats has absolutely zero credibility.

Who exactly made the 11 dash lines? The original 11-dash line map of the Republic of China was surveyed with the help of the US Navy and approved by the MacArthur, who believed that all forces—naval, air, and land—should operate under a single command: his command. 

China under Mao made it 9 dash lines as relations with Vietnam warmed. So try and try again to spin this as Xi and CPC's evil doing but in reality it was the beautiful endeavor of the US, only the US pulled the plug on ROC and the Communists won.

China is gleefully happy that the US established the 11-dash line in the South China Seas for China.

quercetumToday 03:25 pm JST

True or false? Is the mainland the rightful property of the ROC such that all coast guard deployments must be run by Taipei?

The Philippine side is entirely responsible for the collision,” spokesman Gan Yu said. “We warn the Philippine side to immediately stop its infringement and provocation, otherwise it will bear all the consequences arising from that.”

this quote from the article makes it sound like the Chinese government and the former president of the USA both learned the concept of “taking responsibility for their actions” from the same acting coach

mans that same acting coach tricked them into playing around about political nonesense while we factually pump huge amounts of lethal chemical into our houses and then sleep in them every night and hey it turns out that gas cloud follows you to work cause it’s actually the earth we’ve made for each other

nice job prioritizing, folks. While these guys are busy bumping gas guzzling boats together in the tub the rest of us are watching the adults pour oil on top of the bubble bath and light as all on fire

but let’s talk about political power plays that make us feel like BIG REAL BOYS ! That’ll show them!

meanwhile some of us are over here dumping buckets of water on an oil slick trying to do something helpful

guess ill go walk the dog and in the morning I’m getting some groceries and feeding myself better this week

Maybe THAT’LL teach ‘em about taking responsibility. .

Is Taiwan's claim on the Spratley Islands legitimate?

No. Neither is the PRC's.

Who exactly made the 11 dash lines? The original 11-dash line map of the Republic of China was surveyed with the help of the US Navy......

Your talking about what happened decades ago!!

It is time you updated yourself.

On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal organized under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) concluded that China had not exercised exclusive and continuous control over the area and that certain features lie within the exclusive economic zone of the Philippines.

The information is from the Chinese government, so there's a high chance it's a lie. Or perhaps the collision did occur, but as a result of the usual Chinese provocation/blocking maneuvers.

Maybe the Chinese pirates forgot to take along their standard-issue knives, clubs and axes, and are now having a little tantrum.

Gan added China claimed “indisputable sovereignty” over the Spratly Islands

Speaking of Chinese government lies, there's one right here.

Xi's imperial edicts do not equate to "indisputable sovereignty." CCP fantasy is not international law.

No, Taiwan is not a recognized UN country. But it's claim to the Spratley's is basically the same as China's, thus Beijing owns all those islands - including Taiwan.

Yes, you're back to the approved narrative now, but we see it took some reminding. That's still progress!

No, Taiwan is not a recognized UN country. But it's claim to the Spratley's is basically the same as China's, thus Beijing owns all those islands - including Taiwan.

quercetumToday 03:25 pm JST

Who exactly made the 11 dash lines?

Doesn't matter. It has been invalidated under UNCLOS, which China has ratified and is bound by.

...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_v._China#Award

China's claims to historic rights, or other sovereign rights or jurisdiction, with respect to the maritime areas of the South China Sea encompassed by the relevant part of the 'nine-dash line' are contrary to the Convention and without lawful effect to the extent that they exceed the geographic and substantive limits of China's maritime entitlements under the Convention. The Convention superseded any historic rights or other sovereign rights or jurisdiction in excess of the limits imposed therein.

Important to note Taiwan doesn't observe that stacked ruling.

Philippines actually lost islands in that ruling

"In accordance with the law..." What law? Something China has made up.

The Philppines ships were on their way to resupply their long-standing outpost on Flat Island. I've seen the latest photos. The Philippines' boat has large holes torn in its sides, where it was allegedly rammed twice.

Not really. They weren't a part of the decision, and they aren't trying to block Philippine ships.

Important to note Taiwan doesn't observe that stacked ruling.

Nevertheless, Taiwan is an independent nation.

Not according to USa and most governments in the world. You have a problem? Then take it up with Nixon.

Philippines actually lost islands in that ruling

Not to China.

Or anyone else for that matter. The tribunal merely found that some “islands” were just “rocks” for legal purposes and thus didn’t extend the Philippines’ EEZ. But since all the “rocks” were within the Filipino EEZ anyway this didn’t mean that the Phillipines lost them to anyone.

Philippines 1, China 0.

nandakandamanda

Today 07:50 pm JST

"In accordance with the law..." What law? Something China has made up.

Lol of course laws are made up

JJEAug. 19 04:29 pm JST

No, Taiwan is not a recognized UN country. But it's claim to the Spratley's is basically the same as China's, thus Beijing owns all those islands - including Taiwan.

Again, true or false. Does the Chinese coast guard need or respond to orders from Taipei?

Pukey2Aug. 19 09:45 pm JST

Nevertheless, Taiwan is an independent nation.

Not according to USa and most governments in the world. You have a problem? Then take it up with Nixon.

The US doesn't take a position according to the shambolic Shanghai Communique. That is different than saying Taiwan is not independent.

No. Certain quarters are trying to obscure the pertinent fact that ROC's historic and ongoing claim to the SCS is basically contemporary China's claim, and as the mainland owns Taiwan, Beijing has the legal and moral claim to all of the above. Unless, of course, there is another complete lack of consistency and more smoke blowing hypocrisy.

Certain quarters have trouble with consistency when they claim the PRC is an independent country yet somehow MUST prosecute territorial claims from the administration they broke away from.

ROC was the ruling party of an independent country that legitimately lost a civil war. Now it is a truncated breakaway province but still Beijing's real estate. ROC's historic claim over the SCS buttresses Beijing's legitimate contemporary claim.

As has been rightly pointed out: an 80 year old claim (even less when the initial dispute was raised) based on nonsense premises not in compliance with UNCLOS does not buttress anything. You cannot buttress something with straw. Also the PRC in some tellings is an indepedent country in charge of its Coast Guard which is the main issue here.

JJEToday 01:18 am JST

ROC was the ruling party of an independent country

ROC still running strong and its flag is running high. They need a name change, though.